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|Islam And Terrorism by milkymesh: 9:25am On Jun 10, 2012|
Many of the world popular terrorists or terrorists organization are muslim or of islamic origin. Is terrorism or violence accepted in islam as a way of expressing grievances or making ones voice heard.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Zhul-fiqar: 9:41am On Jun 10, 2012|
milkymesh: Many of the world popular terrorists or terrorists organization are muslim or of islamic origin. Is terrorism or violence accepted in islam as a way of expressing grievances or making ones voice heard.
wrong.it is not Islam when it comes to terrorism that these people are following.it is wahhabism or salafism.
Islam is peace and only those who have made up their own beliefs and ideologies perpetrate actions of violence and terror.
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|Re: Islam And Terrorism by ShiaLagos: 1:02pm On Jun 10, 2012|
HOLY QURAN 5:32:
whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.
HOLY QURAN 2:190:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
HOLY QURAN 7:55:
(O mankind!) Call upon your Lord humbly and in secret. Lo! He loveth not aggressors.
HOLY QURAN 8:61:
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)."
HOLY QURAN 5:2:
" , and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment."
HOLY QURAN 41:34:
"Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!"
HOLY QURAN 4:135:
"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do."
HOLY QURAN 16:90
"God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed."
HOLY QURAN 16:126:
"And if ye do punish them, punish them no worse than they punished you: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient."
HOLY QURAN 21:107:
"And we have not sent you but as a mercy for the world"
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by ShiaLagos: 1:03pm On Jun 10, 2012|
Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?
By Huda, About.com Guide
Question: Aren't there some verses of the Qur'an that condone "killing the infidel"?
Answer: The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.
There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.
"Slay Them" - If They Attack You First
For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter, But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful, If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.
"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties
A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.
This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them, (as quoted above).
Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."
Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.
The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8 ) :
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by ShiaLagos: 1:05pm On Jun 10, 2012|
Now kill all the boys (in Midian). And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
10So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11“This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” 12They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.
1 Samuel 6:19
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: [/b]and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
" Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
2 Peter 2:12
"These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed."
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us.Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!
"Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: Depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men. For they speak against thee wickedly, And thine enemies take (thy name) in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies."
" Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.
35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
50 But I have a baptsm to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
If there be found among you , that , hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them , Then shalt thou , tone them with stones, till they die.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by maclatunji: 1:54pm On Jun 10, 2012|
Mr. you are a slow learner. The OP asked a simple question, please give a simple answer. If someone who was trained in Saudi Arabia sees your post and disagrees, you will start arguing and derail the thread altogether. See how ShiaLagos has answered. He has addressed the topic no name calling. Stop being so pathetic and one-dimensional.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Zhul-fiqar: 2:18pm On Jun 10, 2012|
ShiaLagos vindicated Islam by showing evidence.i also vindicated Islam by explaining the root of the problem.
who is responsible for the suicide attack in Kabul last year during Ashura that claimed the lives of about 60 Shia Muslim believers? what about church bombings in Nigeria and beheadings elsewhere?
we know very well that Islam does not teach violence or terrorism.you will agree with that.
you will also agree that there is a very big problem Muslims and Islam are facing.their image is being brought into disrepute.
so why don't we be honest and identify those behind the killings and terrorism? do you want christians to keep misunderstanding that all Muslims are the same and Islam is responsible? why don't we educate them about this very tiny but venomous minority that lives among Muslims perpetrating acts of terror?
you may recall that most of the 19 hijackers that slammed their planes into the world trade center on 9/11 were from saudi arabia.why don't we let the world know that there is something peculiar that exists in saudi arabia that the overwhelming majority of muslims do not share or agree with? i am saying this regardless of sunni-shia division and differences in some beliefs.even Sunnis are embarassed by wahhabism and its global menace more than the Shia,who are the victims.you as a Sunni (if you see yourself as one) should be more vocal about wahhabism (which is also referred to as "salafism" outside of saudi arabia) because wahhabis claim to be part of Sunnis.
we can with all our heart defend Islam convincingly that Islam is peace and justice.but we cannot also avoid but to honestly admit there is the problem of terrorism and something needs to be done to redeem our image.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by maclatunji: 6:50pm On Jun 10, 2012|
You are not being honest. When the Saudi government forces battle Al-Qaida elements on their soil, what will we call that? There is no human organization whether religious or otherwise that does not have its pool of extremists. That is what we should address not this your subtle politically laced 'preaching against terrorism' which labels Saudi Arabia perpetually as a terrorist run country. Let me guess, Iran is the bastion and champion of global peace, isn't it?
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by vedaxcool(m): 7:50pm On Jun 10, 2012|
Some times u wonder where people get their info, I quoted wikipedia where it clearly showed that in wahabi doctrine only the ruler of the state can declare jihad, zhul said it is western propaganda, I have seen this sort of behavior from atheist, when thaba slashed mazaje logic, mazaje made a bigger gaffe by saying there are no external sources to verify muslim history, so also we see shias lie and defame the wahabi doctrine and make a case for the disbelievers of truth that there is some sort of Islam that support terrorism, yet we see that Iran not Saudi arabia is label terror sponsoring state by those that have suffered terror attacks, we again see that Iran is often accused by the US of arming terrorist etc and yet people like zhul expects that some how somewhere by labeling Saudis terrorist the disbelievers of truth would believe Islam is not a terror religion when in fact that make their claims not by quoting wahabi doctrine by quoting the Qur'an, the shia behavior is not new historically their predecessors have conived with enemy states in fighting muslims whether with the crusaders or with the mongols who slaughtered many, their behavior is not new neither is it going to surprise people who have simple knowledge on Islamic history. Terrorism is usually born out of certain individual desire to achieve their goals at whatever cost, just as america orders drone strike in pakistan thereby killing 10 people for just one person so also the tamil tigers justify killing the innocents by suicide bombing so also al qaeda (whom wanted to end the Saudi monarchy). Also wave civilian damage in their war, it is very clear that people most times tend to fight over something physical not spiritual and not for God, it is the same people that would determine how low they are willing to go achieve their aims! Lies have never been know to defeat the truth!
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Zhul-fiqar: 8:34pm On Jun 10, 2012|
wikipedia is not an independent source.what you quoted was the opinion of a western thinker.
now,going by your claim itself,was bin laden an head of state?
was Ibn Taymiyyah an head of state?
was Mohamed Ibn Abd al-wahab an head of state?
even Saud himself,was he an head of state when he declared his jihad in the hejaz (arabian peninsula) to terrorize his rivals and impose himself on others?
and in reality who is even talking about jihad here.we are not even talking about jihad.i am talking about the suicide bombings in Shia mosques,on Ashura,in churches,beheadindgs,bombings in iraq,attack on Shia holy places,and more committed by wahhabis.who has been supporting them if not their "sheikhs" and their ugly fatwas? do you condemn those?please answer because your refusal to answer will blow your cover off.
no one is calling an idelogy based on violence and terror "some sort of Islam".that is the part of wahhabism or salafism that is not Islam apparently.
good you mentioned the USA.so your views are guided by the US POV.
ironically it was saudi hijackers and suicide bombers who killed 3000 innocent civilians in new york and not iranians.
america itself has supported wahhabism against the soviet union in afghanistan before it came back to haunt them.
Iran has supported liberation and resistance organizations against israeli occupations.they have not inspired (either by the state of iran or its Shia ideology) terrorists to target civilians.yet america for the sake of israel considers Iran the threat and not wahhabi saudi arabia because the rulers there are american toys.
the Quran as already shown in this thread can be defended beyond doubt.but the actions of some people cannot.
denying the fact/reality that there are people with a violent terrorist ideology isn't going to convince anyone either.
you mean "muslims" who do not follow Islam.well yes,such muslims deserve to be opposed.they are the same ones who today behead people simply for being Shia ("heretics" ) and bombing their places of worship.when the violence against us stops and people like you stand up to defend us as your muslim brothers,then we will embrace you.you should also oppose them because they are killing innocent non-muslims in churches and that is giving Islam a bad image.Islam must be disassociated from these criminals.in the past,shia muslims used to be buried alive.the so called muslims have committed massacres against shia muslims.they have killed their "fellow" muslims more than the crusaders and unbelievers have killed us.do you still want to lie those people are following islam which promotes brotherhood? those you are defending are the predecessors of Yazid.this wahhabi jahiliyyah terror first befell the Ahlul-Bayt (as),the very family of Prophet Mohammad (s).so really this isn't Islam.
you however forgot to mention that when the zionists and the west were butchering the children of Gaza in 2009,who are sunni children,it was the "heretical" Shia Iran and Hezbollah and the "idolater alawite regime" in syria that defended the palestinians and supported them.this is at a time when the wahhabis in saudi arabia and the gulf states all of them have abandoned the palestinian cause.they are ruled by america.and you in all confidence suppose that those wahhabi rulers would declare their so called "jihad" against israel? out of sectarian hate these wahhabi terrorists today are being sent by the pro-american rulers in the arabian peninsula to fight the anti-israel ruler in syria.where are the children of gaza to remind the terrorists that Islam teaches Muslims to be grateful?
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Zhul-fiqar: 8:51pm On Jun 10, 2012|
maclatunji: You are not being honest. When the Saudi government forces battle Al-Qaida elements on their soil, what will we call that? There is no human organization whether religious or otherwise that does not have its pool of extremists. That is what we should address not this your subtle politically laced 'preaching against terrorism' which labels Saudi Arabia perpetually as a terrorist run country. Let me guess, Iran is the bastion and champion of global peace, isn't it?
you are either literally dumb (no offense intended,just giving an instance) or you are trying to play smart here.
the government in saudi arabia uses wahhabism as it pleases.it employs the muftis and sheikhs to supply fatwas.when they want to destabilize Iraq,those employees issue fatwas against Shia Muslims in iraq and for them to be killed.in syria,against the so called "alawite regime".in afghanistan,wahhabism again played a role to fight the soviets.at that time it was sugar and honey between wahhabism (alqaeda inclusive) and america.
the truth be told is that the poison is in the wahhabist ideology.the saudi government or the monarchy is subservient to america.they have no choice but to fight alqaeda because now america hates alqeda.the same violent ideology inspires both the lovers of america who are the slaves to america in the royal family and also the haters of america who are terrorists of alqaeda.the royal family in saudi america believes that its security and grip to power are maintained by the americans and their troops in the persian gulf.alqaeda on the other hand have come to make a u-turn after the soviet left afghanistan and has made its former ally (america) her number one enemy.
what you need to understand here is not the politics that different factions play.it is the poison in an ideology that these factions follow which allows them to play with human lives and kill at ease.until you realize that then you are bound to see them as angels.if you want me to bring proof that the wahhabi ideology on its own standing regardless of the political wahhabi factions espouses violence and promotes it,i can show you.this ideology permits its adherents to kill others who simply do not share their beliefs.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by maclatunji: 9:36pm On Jun 10, 2012|
^Awwwww, such kind words you have up there. Just don't derail threads with your 'education programme'.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Zhul-fiqar: 10:48pm On Jun 10, 2012|
non-muslims have prevailing threads in the Islam section to bash Islam.they endlessly create threads to accuse Islam of terrorism.but a Shia is not allowed to say the truth that wahhabism is a terrorist ideology.why dont you treat our claim like the way you treat the claims of unbelievers who endless see Islam as "terrorism"? it really shows the truth hurts!
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by shedraq1: 3:30am On Jun 11, 2012|
ShiaLagos: Numbers 31:17-18
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by andromida(f): 3:56pm On Jun 15, 2012|
@ Shialagos do not misrepresent the teaching of our lord Jesus which is peace, peace and peace an example - the christians in Nigeria who continue to demonstrate by restraining themselves despite the fact that bombing of a church or the other seems to have become a sunday norm in Northern Nigeria but we are restrained and binded by the truth of peace which we are guided by in all things. Be guided by these teachings.
Luke 6:29 If someone Slaps you on one cheek, offer the other cheek also. if someone demands your coat, offer your shirt also.
Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Luke 6:27 "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you
Romans 12:17-21 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”says the Lord.
Romans 12;27 On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."
Matthew 26:50-53 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him.
And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
The gospel of Jesus is to believe in him, love and peace at all times.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Mutee: 7:05am On Jul 20, 2012|
Zhul-fiqar:I thought this was a conspiracy. Google '911 conspiracy' please.
|Re: Islam And Terrorism by Bélla3(f): 11:25am On Jul 21, 2012|
do you seriously think Jesus wasnt telin the truth?
Today if sum1 becums a christain, his/her family wil plot against them to kil them(sum of them hav actualy bin slaughtered). The other verse was a parable.
Mind u revelation is nt for people wit narrow minds. When we speak of children we arent talkin of directly. All those young ladies copying beyonce, nicki and adult movies, can be called their children. Becos they hav bonded themselves wit their so caled role models. Indeed, they shall be slain(nt physical death) bt shal be condemned in hell.
The other verse u mentioned about buyin a sword, Jesus emphasized a point. 'he dat lives by the sword shall die by the sword'
unlike islam, christainity is nt about the bible! It is about Jesus(the christ and word of God.) the bible is just a record of how people related with God. The Holy spirit is a guide. The bible has an answer to almost every thing happening in this world. The wars, self righteousnes, killings etc. JESUS is the reason 4 christainity(CHRIST like)
Jesus neva preached violence. How can He? When he is the giver of PEACE. He gives individuals who are willing peace. Dat is why when people are asked to denounce Christ or face death, they have peace in their hearts that they are headed for a better place.
Jesus is a sure link to the Father in heaven.
And yes, Jesus is nt God. Bt he has a special link to the Father being the first creation. He has been given power by the Father to forgive sins, and His name can save(people hav been healed by this Name- the only name dat can save. I have been healed countles of times)
and pls dnt confuse urself. God doesnt need a consort to creat and name a creature his son, you of al people should knw dat. He you believ God is powerful you would knw.
When we say Jesus is the son of GOD, we dnt mean physicaly, we mean they share a special bond like dat of father and child( i mean a true father who truely loves his son)
Once again let me remind you that Jesus is the word of God!
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