ishmael: You have a valid point here. Universities also admit people with less than 5 credits thru Pre-Degree/Remedial programmes. People with passes in maths and english get admitted into the university and later re-write WAEC to make it up. Professors can't teach u what they don't see in the syllabus. The poly curriculum was designed by mostly uni lecturers and profs who made some ammendments and modifications making the poly curriculum richer than that of thier corresponing university curriculum.

ishmael: You have a valid point here. Universities also admit people with less than 5 credits thru Pre-Degree/Remedial programmes. People with passes in maths and english get admitted into the university and later re-write WAEC to make it up. Professors can't teach u what they don't see in the syllabus. The poly curriculum was designed by mostly uni lecturers and profs who made some ammendments and modifications making the poly curriculum richer than that of thier corresponing university curriculum.

sweet9: Those who ended up with HND were the ones who were not accepted by universities...., but this is plane truth which everybody in Nigeria knows, anyway, i dont wish to talk detail on this issue.

Jarus:
Endorsed, even if not totally agreeing with everything.

tanimola22: From the debate so far, I may personally conclude that many top employers in Nigeria are indeed very mad for preferring less trained people to more trained people.

Or what else can one say?

T22

plantation: Everything stil bores down to individual abilities. A student who found it so difficult to pass thru the University, wil stil not find it easy at the Polytechnic. I believe whether Bsc or HND, the curriculum is the same. However, Is passing ICAN the only parameter for measuring who a good accounting student is? Anyway, i jst think their on-field perfomance should be the ideal parameter. As a Lawyer, i can guarantee that most of those students who came out tops in our days at the nigerian Law School aren't anywhere around a decent and bouyant legal practice today. So like i said earlier, whether it's HND or Bsc, a gud accountant is a gud accountant and a bad one is stil a bad one. I REST MY CASE.

betrani: SO HOW COME WHEN EVER THESE BANKS ADVERTIZE POSITIONS, THEY OFTEN PREFER PEOPLE WITH HND CERTIFICATES, IF THE EXPERIENCE WASN'T A GOOD ONE? IS IT THAT THEY ARE SCARED OF PAYING B.SC HOLDERS LARGER SUMS, HALF OF WHICH THEY WOULD PREFER TO PAY A HND HOLDER OR WHAT? WHAT EXACTLY WAS UR EXPERIENCE? COS I ALWAYS THINK MYSELF; THAT POLYTECHNIC GRADUANDS ARE BETTER TRAINED THAN UNIVERSITY GRADUATES; PRACTICALLY ANYWAY NOT THEORITICALLY!

yemmy_ma:

I think your earlier post implied that uni accounting students are better which is contrary to chambers2 position.




I will not want to believe that you actually meant what i am thinking of this post.

yemmy_ma: Addressing this matter with economic theories i would say is absolutely uncalled for. I still would not want to say much on your submissions unless you clearly state what you meant by less and more. If what i conceived about your argument is true, then i will keep my judgments to myself unless i am really pushed to come back here and increase the intensity of this discussion.

For now, hope you are enjoying your holiday in naija

tanimola22:

Hi again,

It is about discussing what the other person says and what he has written down, not what we suspect he might be saying.

A sizable number of graduates hope to offer goods and services(labor and all) to willing consumers (employers), so economic analysis is never out of place.

The meaning of less and more simply follows from the claims made in some posts on the previous pages of this topic. You may want to go through the posts.

You are very much free to further argue your point. At the end of the day, everyone will be at least one step more educated. The facts I stated are really trivial facts long known in labor market analysis. It would be interesting though to have someone disprove what has been considered true for years.

Yeah, I'm enjoying naija. The only challenge is that money has been recklessly spent on fuel.

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barnabasj:
Someone in the House is Comparing ANAN with ICAN i think ANAN is an exam that is meant for frustrated Accountant, especially people in the Public and Civil service that cannot pass ICAN, ANAN is no where recognized and you can never see any Professional people claiming that certificate.

As far as i am concern ANAN is an exam that is meant for Frustrated accountant that want to becomes a chartered accountant by force.

Back to the debated yes i agree that some polythecnic graduate pass ICAN eazily that Univerisity because most of them start the program from ATS,ICAN foundation levels so they are used to the Module/methods of the exam while most univeristy graduate join the exam at PE 11 level and find it difficults

Uncanny Genius: HND Accountancy Graduates are more experienced than Bsc Accounting graduates because they took part in the 4months Industrial Training after ND1 and 1 year Industrial Training after ND2 before they apply for HND. During that training they acquired working experience while the Bsc holders didn't.

LFJ:

This standard say get a place to do your IT, how many people get a place to do IT, so technically no training.

ishmael: No source broda, it's "dem say". I want to find out from Accountants if this is true. I have equally seen the quality in HND Acctancy graduates, they are better and more skillful than the Bsc Acctng graduates. I have worked with them before. May be it's a fluke.

chamber2: ^^

Can you pls provide facts and figures? This conjectures won't lead us anywhere. You mentioned courses, what are these courses?

You said ICAN, can we have a detailed research release from ICAN stating that the poly grads perform better than Uni grads?

Can we have industry reports to that effect?? Employers survey/reports?

Any of these??

All these chest beating is just unnecessary.

Boyoorisha:
Well, you are very correct. But that does not mean uni grads are not good, one can only get proficiency in accountancy through the method of teaching in polytechnics. They teach technical aspects of accounting in poly which give their serious students a good root in accountancy. As regards the statistics at ICAN, yes ICAN has more poly grads as members than the Uni. May be this is as a result of their efforts to brace up the HND thing

lecorn:

thats the answer

tuasefemi: Poly grdts seem 2 ve won ds debate....am not surprised though,w@ do u expect,they re not recognised & they need recognition.....they were rejected wen they were seeking admission,they are always spelt out clearly as not qualified 2 apply in most job adverts,they re seen as those who can not head any organisation,.....hmmm,are these not enough reasons 4 them 2 go extra mile in making sure they excel in any professional exams?...this of course would earn them some form of recognition which they lack.....there's no poly grats d@ would nt want 2 die weneva ds kind of debate is going on but just ask dem if any1 of dem would encourage their children 2 attend anytin less dan uni even 4 free.....unfortunately,dey wil bluntly reject it, in fact wt 'holy ghost fire'
I don't want 2 be a judge here,we always have judges-d employers & post graduate schools

tanimola22:

I think the final consumers of any form of training and education are the employers of labor. Graduate schools produce graduate degree holders(goods), professional exams further refine the graduate (and other) degree holders(refined goods) while employers finally consume them (employ them, require their services). So, in the standard labor reasoning, which I happen to wholly agree with, most things depend on the perception of the final consumers. It is as trivially simple as that.

In this case, please note that the producers and refiners can also be employers of labor, but I weakly assume that they are solely charged with the responsibility of developing human capital.

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mikeapollo: Have you compared the standard of qualification required for entrance into universities and polytechnics?

Until recently, Nigerian polytechnics were admitting candidates with just 3 credits at WAEC/O Level(even if without Engl/Maths) while Universities dis not compromise on 5 credits at a maximum of 2 sittings. There was also JAMB requirement(very tough in those years) for university admission while the Polytechnics had no entrance exams!

So the standards were different.
University education gives an all-round education in other field related to your discpline, while polytechnics tend to concentrate more on ur discipline.

However, this does not mean that a university student is more intelligent or more brilliant than a poly student. It only means that one is comng from an environment with higher expected standards.
In the end, a poly graduate can do better if he works hard (likewise for a university graduate)
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But there should be no controversy.....University education is at a higher level than Poly education. Not only in Nigeria, but worldwide. But the Nigerian situation of unemployment has made everybody to rush for the ultimate choice(university education) in order to have a better chance of securing jobs in the labour market. Both schools play very important roles in the economy/educational sector.

The best universities are almost always a notch higher than the best polytechnics

Toshibasexy: if i don't know anything and wanted to have 9 A'S in my waec i know how to go about it even if i want to have 350 in jamb i know how to go about it shey you know?

LFJ:
As at today u need 5 credit to gain admission to both Uni and poly; before 2010 few people gained admission with 4 credit, Maths and English inclusive, majority were with 5 credits. The only occasion you can see people with less than 5 credits and with either no credit in Eng or Maths is when you have people that gained admission through pre ND, and this happen in Uni too with those that came through remedial. ACCA and CIMA are rated higher not because they are better than ICAN in term of quality, but because of their international outlook, so let us forget about the story of this or that analysis.

The reason why we are having this type of debate is because those who establish both institutions don’t even know what they intent to gain from having them. I may not be able to talk about other discipline, but for accounting, I can talk about both institution, the polytechnic students have more understanding of accounting issue than the University students.

You equally talk about exposure, that those in Uni have more exposure than those in Poly, what exposure other than proud to be lecture by professor. May be there is something that is new to me, I am here to learn.

veraponpo: I am a BSc Accounting holder fom OAU and I can tell u categorically that BSc Accounting is better than HND although depending on the individual in question.I became qualified almost immediately I finished my NYSC so also my friends, in facts, some of my frinds are ICAN award winners. Bsc holder is expected to do all accounting programmes in school plus other management courses like psycology, sociology, philosophy,political science, etc to equip him more for the society. This makes him a manager and not an accounting technician.

However, HND may do well too if he is a serious student but can only be a under a BSc holder due to different academic backgrounds.

veraponpo: I am a BSc Accounting holder fom OAU and I can tell u categorically that BSc Accounting is better than HND although depending on the individual in question.I became qualified almost immediately I finished my NYSC so also my friends, in facts, some of my frinds are ICAN award winners. Bsc holder is expected to do all accounting programmes in school plus other management courses like psycology, sociology, philosophy,political science, etc to equip him more for the society. This makes him a manager and not an accounting technician.

However, HND may do well too if he is a serious student but can only be a under a BSc holder due to different academic backgrounds.