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|If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 7:46pm On Jun 11, 2012|
There are truths which are objective.
Objective truths are impersonal thus invariable and impartial.
Many believers claim that "God" is a universal truth, thus supposedly an objective truth.
If there is a universal God...could this agent...or supposed objective truth act in an objective way?
Would an "objective truth" proceed subjectively?
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Chimezie198(m): 8:32pm On Jun 11, 2012|
THE ₦1000 & ₦20 NOTES!
A well worn out one thousand naira note and a similarly distressed twenty naira note arrived at d central bank to be retired, as they moved along d conveyor to be burnt, they stuck up a conversation.
The one thousand naira reminisced about its travels all over d country. I've been to lagos, Ibadan, benin, kano etc. The finest restaurant in victoria Island, kaduna, Abuja and Eastern Nigeria, performances at museum centre and glover hall, hottest night clubs all over the country and even a cruise on the Atlantic and pacific oceans "waooow! Exclaimed d Twenty naira note, u've really had an exciting life" so tell me, says d one thousand Naira., "where have you been throughout ur lifetime?
The Twenty naira replies "Oh! I've been to Aglican church, methodist, Apostolic, Deeper life bible church, Redeemed evanglical church mission; I have also been to catholic church in short all the churches in Nigeria. God delivered me from Police checkpoints.
The One thousand naira interrupted "what is a church? Its a place where belivers in Jesus Christ are gathered to worship God in spirit and in truth" replied the Twenty Naira note. My master never took me to church, lamented the ₦1000 note.
Please my beloved brethren, take ₦500 and ₦1000 notes to church, they want to know about Jesus before their retirement. Thanks @all!
@OP abeg no vex . Trying to deliver a message.
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Jenwitemi(m): 8:54pm On Jun 11, 2012|
An objective God would stay away from influencing any event in the universe and just let things take their course. The God that we have being having shoved down our throat, on the other hand, is anything but that.
emöfine2: There are truths which are objective.
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by logicboy: 9:33pm On Jun 11, 2012|
Chimezie198: THE ₦1000 & ₦20 NOTES!
See this tithing fraud!
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by buzugee(m): 10:09pm On Jun 11, 2012|
always objective-never subjective
galatians 6 vs 7[b] Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap[/b]
acts 10 vs 34 God is no respecter of persons:
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 10:06am On Jun 12, 2012|
*Yesterevening I typed what I wrote in a slight hurry although I had thought about what I was about to write for a long time before I jotted it down.*
So I’ll rephrase some of my questioning...
If God is said to be universal does that make “God” a universal truth?
Is a universal truth necessarily an objective truth?
And are all objective truths universal?
When I mean “objective” truth I meant that in which is true regardless of personal belief...but a believer has to exercise personal belief in “God” in order to qualify as a “believer” anyway.
But “belief” is subjective, right? Or perhaps because the belief is in a particular “God” it’s subjective.
So the position is:
If there is a God...perhaps a “one true God”...so all believers from all belief systems alike will most likely agree to the idea that there is a God...(although amongst them it hasn’t been objectively resolved which “God” or “Gods” is legitimate)...but they all reconcile with the concept of God.
So if God is.....well then God will be an objective truth whether accepted universally or not...but that is dependent on “if”.
If it’s possible to explain an objective truth subjectively then such is the case with “God”...
However I’m more curious as to how this relates from the other side – If “God” is an objective truth...Is “God” objective? – at least the “God(s) we have been introduced to...although like I've written earlier an objective truth may be explained subjectively...
So maybe for a second (just for a second) if we forget all that we have been told about “God” as most often times it’s attached to biases -
My question is:
Could and should an objective truth act objectively?
The fact that the sun is hot or the earth is round is not dependent on whether we worship or believe in these elements or not...because they are independent of our opinions...these truths are impersonal, immutable and impartial thus they are objective.
However we have to believe in a “God” in order for this “truth” to manifest in our lives...thus this truth is dependent on individual opinions...how then could God be an objective truth?
When God is biased, betrays emotions and impartiality etc...but then we can be and are told that “God” like time exists regardless of whether we acknowledge this entity/force or not.
So I wondered...If “God” exists regardless of our inclination...would an “objective truth” proceed subjectively?
Even if I said the sun is cold...it would have no effect on that in which we call the sun. The sun wouldn't suddenly become cold because of my remark or because I declare it’s not hot...I would not be judged by the sun...I would not be condemned by the sun...but that is also because the sun has no expectation of me yet a relationship still exists.
Should not this way be mirrored by a supposed “objective truth” such as God? Wouldn't more people be likely to acknowledge such entity if given to impartiality?
If God is an objective truth...should God be objective?
If God is not objective why should we trust God’s judgement? Why should we trust God’s word?... And accept such as the absolute truth?
Do “objective truths” have a personality?
Can an objective truth be subjective in nature?
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 10:12am On Jun 12, 2012|
Chimezie198: @OP abeg no vex . Trying to deliver a message.
...messenger, you want me to shoot you?
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 10:16am On Jun 12, 2012|
Jenwitemi: An objective God would stay away from influencing any event in the universe and just let things take their course. The God that we have being having shoved down our throat, on the other hand, is anything but that.
Well if "God" supposedly created us...isn’t that interfering already?
buzugee: always objective-never subjective
"God" (the one you adhere to) is not detached, has emotions, has consequences, is a Judge ...has a chosen people...thus such God is not objective.
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by buzugee(m): 10:31am On Jun 12, 2012|
HAD a chosen people, simply because only the chosen people existed initially. however that situation has been rectified. jesus has come to unite both jew and gentiles under the law. as such the chosen people are those who love the Lord by obeying his commands regardless of race color class creed height weight etc etc
however he still only works through the jews as a matter of protocol. nothing subjective about that.
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 12:37pm On Jun 12, 2012|
buzugee: HAD a chosen people, simply because only the chosen people existed initially. however that situation has been rectified. jesus has come to unite both jew and gentiles under the law. as such the chosen people are those who love the Lord by obeying his commands regardless of race color class creed height weight etc etc
The “chosen people” existed initially along with other nations so it doesn’t dilute what I was essentially saying.
Your “God” supported “his” chosen population in wars and such...so this is not an objective being.
But now you have stated your “God” - who allegedly created the universe and all its inhabitants - has a chosen people (this is after initially electing the Jews plus the introduction of Jesus into the world)...those chosen people are now those who are loyal to "his" commandments.
You see the thing with that is...”his” alleged chosen people can vary depending on those who have backslidden or converted...so "he" is thus constantly changing his opinions/judgement (which are subjective) about an individual based on certain variables. This being is not impersonal, is not neutral thus can be affected. That’s why I question even if "God" exists and had these attributes that are accorded to “him” then God is not objective.
If "God" is not objective as you have written those who love "God" obeys "his" commandments...if "he" commanded someone to kill should one place loyalty over morality because of this altering agent? or does that make that particular immorality a virtue solely because "God" ordained it?
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Jenwitemi(m): 12:40pm On Jun 12, 2012|
I don't see creation as an act of interference, emofine.
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 1:00pm On Jun 12, 2012|
Jenwitemi: I don't see creation as an act of interference, emofine.
Okay...I think the appropriate term I had intended was not interfering but involvement.
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Ptolomeus(m): 6:56pm On Jun 12, 2012|
Hello dear friend Emofine. How are you?
Not all "gods are equal"
Here we are talking about the Judeo-Christian god ...
I'm just going to take one example, which I hope will be vivid and clear.
Question: For Jews and Christians, adultery is a sin? Yes or no?
If the answer is "yes," then ask him to Judeo-Christian god why did not punish David? Solomon? Noah? and so many other sinners? On the contrary ... were his proteges!
I think that answers the question.
As I said before, depends on God we are talking about.
Un beso de amigo!
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Ptolomeus(m): 6:57pm On Jun 12, 2012|
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by emöfine2(f): 9:10pm On Jun 12, 2012|
Ptolomeus: Hello dear friend Emofine. How are you?
I'm not so focused on any particular God that has been described before. It’s more of an examination of “god” beyond the perimeters of religion. So if this authority that has always been alluded to actually exists independent of whether one acknowledges this entity or not...its existence would still stand thus making the actual existence of god(s) an objective truth even if it’s not universally accepted. However the nature of this supposed objective truth or this supposed god is what I’m inquiring and if it’s nature allows it to be compatible with objectivity.
If god exists and is not neutral, then such god has biases...thus my question: would an “objective truth” proceed subjectively?
But it’s a very muddled question(s) so I understand if it’s confusing I’m still trying to make sense of what I’m trying to relay .
How have you been by the way?
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Ptolomeus(m): 9:54pm On Jun 12, 2012|
Always a pleasure reading what you write.
Intelligence amounts to inner peace. Thank you.
There is a God who created everything is said. But unlike the Judeo-Christian god, he was not "looking down, toward the ground to see if Emofine doing his work ... Sorry for the term, but that is very silly to me for a god!
The god of which I speak, made the creation of the universe but then left her "guardians" to maintain the universal equilibrium. That he created universal balance. Then, a god is not fair or unfair, it's about the concepts of good and evil. He does not do justice, not distribute punishments and rewards ...
I hope my bad English is understood!
Here's all good ... you are getting the first frosts.
I hope you are well.
I enjoy reading your posts
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Chimezie198(m): 9:10am On Jun 13, 2012|
emöfine2:Ewwww hw u go take shoot Evangelist chimezie nau
The bible says " Touch not God's anointed but do his prophet no harm".
|Re: If God Is An Objective Truth - Is God Objective? by Chimezie198(m): 9:15am On Jun 13, 2012|
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