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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by lanre_front(m): 1:26am On Jun 18, 2012

thegoodjoehunt:

I agree with most of the things you are saying but your analogy. You are basing your point on Otedola being guilty and tempting FAR-CROOK. If you also take another perspective and look at the whole issue from the point of Otedola being innocent in this whole issue, It takes a different direction.

To mention a few (If Otedola is innocent):

FAR-CROOK doctored the report and put names that shouldn't have been there. Also removed names that should have been on the report.

FAR-CROOK contacted Otedola to bribe him and get his name off the list.

Otedola refused to bribe FAR-CROOK and got his name submitted as one who wasted Nigerian FOREX.

Otedola agrees to bribe the HOUSE OF CROOKS.

HOUSE OF CROOKS all agree to remove his name.

Otedola shows that he gave them ODE-DOLLAR (Fake Dollars-Dollars that doesn't make sense).

From this perspective you will understand why many feel the subsidy should not be taken seriously.

My recomendation, a fresh and thorough probe should be done with an independent group made up of credible people.

CBN should also be forced to make their own investigations and give account of how the so called SUBSIDY money got missing.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by thegoodjoehunt(m): 2:32am On Jun 18, 2012

lanre_front:

I had to go and read my own post over again. There is nothing in my post that says I'm basing it on Otedola's being guilty. I never said Otedola is guilty. Yes I did imply that Farouk might have been offerred the bribe by Otedola (persoanly I believed this is what happended; like another person said, Otedola is by no means the kind of man that Lawan will think he can cow into submission), but he could have refused it. He has that choice. That Farouk collected the bribe money makes him corrupt, greedy and an hypocrite.

Then I did say Farouk should face the law according to the due process of the law. Likewise Otedola too should face the law through due process, personified this time by the probe panel of the Assembly.

I did say the probe needs to be re-done but you cant just throw everything away. Dont forget the real work was done by consultants who are proffessionals e.g. Forensic accountants. Your suggestion that a body of credible citizens should be appointed to do it seems laudable untill you take into consideration that the Executive has no constitutional responsibilty/obligation to listen or implement whatever such a panel comes out with. The House of Reps. however is empowered by the constitution to to tell the Executive what to do.

"The powers that be were very angry with Farouk Lawan for his role in the whole subsidy saga, I'm sure the demand or acceptance of the bribe was not originaly his idea.

Someone (not Otedola himself) must first have been sent to approach him. The person acting for the Zenon oil magnate must have discretely informed Lawan that Otedola is ready to pay him a stupendous amount if he can use his influence to take to off Otedola's company of the list of the companies that were indicted in the probe report.

They would have watched and waited for Lawan's next move. Once they saw Lawan was ready to play ball, he would have been told how to contact Otedola; by then the main plan to implicate him swings into action.

The SS would have been contacted by Otedola and informed that Lawan is trying to blackmail him into giving a bribe. It was at that stage the recordings of telephone converstaions and their three meetings will ensue.(Remember the papers said they met at Otedola's house and negotiated the amount over lunch) Since Otedola is aware that their meetings and conversations are being recorded, he would have steered the conversations in such a manner that will make him appaear helpless before Farouk who is shaking him down for a bribe. This impression would be easily more established, even by Lawan who no doubt will be trying to play hardball with the multibillionaire oil magnate by trying to extort and benefit as much as possible from the shady deal. The Yorubas have an adage: "if we decide we have to eat a frog, then it's better we eat one with egg"."

The analogy created above (In Purple) was in the context that Otedola is guilty and part of the conspirators to take Lawan down and crush the Probe Report. If you were looking at this with the view that Otedola is innocent, it won't be viewed in the same manner and the Probe report won't be so Sacred.

Finally, if the bribery scandal is true, the character of the HOUSE OF CROOKS is tarnished. If the Probe must go on, this guys can't be viewed as credible. That is why I said the Probe must be done by people with better credibility.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by thegoodjoehunt(m): 2:37am On Jun 18, 2012

lanre_front:

Your suggestion that a body of credible citizens should be appointed to do it seems laudable untill you take into consideration that the Executive has no constitutional responsibilty/obligation to listen or implement whatever such a panel comes out with. The House of Reps. however is empowered by the constitution to to tell the Executive what to do.

The EFCC is a body set up to look into financial crimes. The Executive listens to them. If such a body is set up to look into one of the greatest financial scandals in the history of this nation, I believe the Executive can implement their result. Those that will be selected for this kind of project must be people with proven track record of not being corrupt.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by pluto04(m): 4:22am On Jun 18, 2012

ACM10:

societynowng.com/Femi-Otedola-Bounce-Back-Bid-Collapses

Both Otedola and Dangote thrives on government patronage

elombah.com/index.php/templates/1/hi/world/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1336%3Aaliko-dangote-a-femi-otedola-reconciles&Itemid=54

Pls quit posing rhetorical question to me. It makes u sound dumb. I doubt if there is any clean billionaire in Nigeria. But if there is one, it can't be Otedola.

Otedola contributed over N100 million to Obasanjo's re-election campaign.

He donated N200million to Obasanjo's presidential library.

What on earth would have motivated Otedola to donate so generously to anything that bears Obasanjo's name if not to repay him back for his patronage?

BTW I wont respond to more of your rhetorical question. Either u do your private research on Femi Otedola or u wallow in your self imposed ignorance

And these crap you've posted are the terrible 'his past deed' of Otedola? Not even one from a credible news source? You're a dickhead! Looks to me like you're being consumed by the green monster. You're too immature. I'm done with you.

Sky Blue:

These are all questions which can be answered by refocusing on the whole oil subsidy issue. That report as far as I am concerned has no integrity. How do we know if the biggest benefactors didn't just bribe their way out of the list? There are people who should have been investigated who were not even investigated by the panel. So to be honest these are areas our focus should more fruitfuly lie. I am not villifying Otedola here and I don't think this is the issue. His expose (so to speak) has been very useful and important. But the issue for me is people so eager to make him a saint or some fighter of corruption when the story has not even gotten close to finishing. What is wrong with us?

And people express shock and horror at how Farouk turned out, how he "disappointed" them. Well, if people were not so dumb and eager to pick sides before they understood the issues, they wouldn't have been so disappointed. I was never swayed by Farouk, ever! But here we are again, about to repeat the same thing without having the most important details. I think we might just enjoy scandal rather than making fruitful progress. This issue should be bigger than any one man.

We can agree to disagree on whether Otedola was fighting corruption in this instance. I agree with the rest of your post.

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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by blackeli: 6:04am On Jun 18, 2012

ironically, We nigerians are short in memory, and do not follow the anticidents of people in question. The question people have not asked is that "who is Femi otedola"? how did he get his money? if he didnt enjoy subsidy from petrol, did he enjoy from diesel? has all the funds he recieved from diesel subsidy ever been accounted for? did he donate 200million to OBJs presidential library, and hundreds of millions to the PDP for nothing?
while i'm not exonorating the Farouk Lawan team, it is obvious that the whole thing is a political chess game, with nigerias as the spectators. the otedola camp has said "check", lets see what the house make as a move to get out of the chack and attempt to checkmate.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by hassey(m): 7:11am On Jun 18, 2012

One tin u guys neednto knw s ds. As far as nigeria national assembly is concerned reps ar d only body dat av bin questioning federal gov‘t deelings. So is obvious dat dey‘l do evrytin to shut dere mouth. Wat kept dem ds long nt to av start probin dos wo ar indicted in d probe report. Bt imagine d level of our crious dey ar in tryg to render d reps useless. Am sure otedola & co ar out on course. We nid to incourage our reps unlike d senators wo all d do is to pass anytin dat come dere way.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by blessed4ril(f): 7:38am On Jun 18, 2012

Yarns n walkaway

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by Walexybobo: 9:36am On Jun 18, 2012

'' I have no personal anger to you but, the decision of the house will stand'' said the house speaker. I believe faCROOK did'nt acted alone.LET BE WISE.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by CHESSBOARD(m): 9:56am On Jun 18, 2012

Please OLE-DOLLAR make sure u finish all the FAR-CROOKs before they come after you and its better you die a HERO, we will ever love you and forgive you all your sins grin

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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by Bawss1(m): 10:25am On Jun 18, 2012

ACM10: Otedola and house of rep members are two sides of the same coin. It's laughable for him to claim that he built his business empire without corruption and government patronage. Behind every great wealth is a crime.

-1000

Complete rubbish.

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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by kennytidistar: 11:43am On Jun 18, 2012

How do you know Otedola is fighting to "clean" the house? You make his
motives sound so altruistic. We need to stop being fools in other
people's wars.

Be very very careful here and don't be so quick to take sides especially
when you don't know what part Otedola plays in the greater scheme of
things. This is really very simple, a bribe was apparently recorded, let
the courts handle it and the appropriate sentence be metted out. The
posturing of Nigerians in this thing is pressuring law enforcement to
make sure further corruption does not creep into the enforcement of the
law, and asking for a refocus on fuel subsidy report.

This latest stance by the leadership of the house reeks of vendetta and
there is no need for Nigerians to be caught up in it. Anyone who is not
guily of something has nothing to fear so let both sides pick each other
apart, it is for our own benefit. As long as that report is revisited
and Farouk receives the full weight of the law (and whoever else is
found culpable), Period.

guy cool down for your self better still ko yiwo lo si BRT lane what do you know about house of rep most especially when they are out on investigation the investigation that would have cost them months they want to do it with in a week what they always do is go there and dialogue with the marketer carry ghana must go and find their way even police will excort them and it is always the consensus adidem of the whole house. they are rogues and robbers at least i am priviledge to witness one and dont try to ask me which one.

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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by musulumi(m): 12:42pm On Jun 18, 2012

Can someone remind Mr Otedola that the position of the law is that no one should give or take bribe. Both of them are culprits and have to suffer the wrath of the law. Ignorantia juris non excusat.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by amurx(m): 1:23pm On Jun 18, 2012

9ja Palava ...... No conviction *yawn* mo go eat jawe

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by lanre_front(m): 1:59pm On Jun 18, 2012

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by Boyoorisha: 2:31pm On Jun 18, 2012

jerseyboy: Nigerianas Must Join Otedola in this Fight to Clean Out This Assembly of THIEVES.

What makes Otedola different from the reps? They are all thieves

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by thegoodjoehunt(m): 2:48pm On Jun 18, 2012

musulumi: Can someone remind Mr Otedola that the position of the law is that no one should give or take bribe. Both of them are culprits and have to suffer the wrath of the law. Ignorantia juris non excusat.

If someone calls you and says you should bribe him for a crime you didn't commit. You call the police and the police give you money to give the person so that they can catch him in the act. If you follow the police instructions, are you bribing the person trying to extort you?

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by dont8(m): 4:59pm On Jun 18, 2012

the planmaker: Assembly of thieves, rogues and robbers, some1 was simply smarter than dem dis tym

You're right man, their commadant in crime spoke in advance. It takes a rogue to know another.

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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by Eziachi: 6:21pm On Jun 18, 2012

omosexy1:

Oga Oga Oga please nobody should tell you that those House of Rep. are not thieves please. Even if Otedola is guilty of giving a bribe, they as well are guilty of taking the bribe, not only that but the thousands of bribes they have been collecting. Obasanjo has said it, when he did they all shouted. That is their nature. Aggressive thieves.

If everything is based on what we read and not about what we think or how we feel, Otedola did not give any bribe but was an instrument or tool used by the security agency to catch someone that was demanding bribe, so in that case you can't say that the guy gave bribe or did anything wrong, that is, if based purely on what we read.

The problem with Nigerians is that they always allow emotion to over run their sense of reasoning. Sometimes to catch a bad person, you need to use another bad person to succeed through their co-operation with the police. Based on what we read, Otedola was asked for bribe and he wasn't happy being blackmailed and he then went to the authorities for help and with his collaboration, they set up a sting operation of which Farouk fell into and again, this was based on what we all read.

It doesn't matter whether Otedola is lucifer or an angel, this is not about him, he is now an important star witness in future trial, if any. And he was correct when he said that Farouk did not act alone, because if he did, how come this members answered "Aye" to remove the name of the two companies from the report already submitted to them to ratify without asking Farouk what brought about the sudden change? What new evidence him/other committee members has got that warranted that?
And again, when Otedola went public, instantly again, the two company's names were back on - So too again, they did not ask themselves, on what evidence this time to put the names back on?
Why are they stil holding the rest of the report, when a part of it and the main writer of it has be tarnished? Its like kids stuff really.

So based on this, Otedola has every right to call them jokers. And you wonder the level of intelligent of this people, especially the so-called opposition, who also too, did not raise an alarm originally when overnight, Farouk wanted two names removed.
From that moment, they should have called for the report to be withheld until Farouk inform them with evidence what brought the change of heart. But knowing Nigerians, they will be fixed on Otedola now based on ignorant, tribal bigotry and the rest and lost the real meat of the whole sad scenario.
If later they want to investigate Odetola's activities, that is entirely a different issue.

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Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by yohanna zack(m): 11:40pm On Jun 18, 2012

Jerssyboy: i quite agree wit u. Otedola is a very big tiev an also, may god fogiv me if d executiv are not behind this.

Re: You Are A Sinking Man, Reps Blasts Otedola by Spirit of Okija(m): 12:21pm On Jun 19, 2012

The Entire house of Reps should be probed.. I still maintain that Lawan alone could not have pocketed 3 million dollars without the help of atleast 10 - 20 other members or the Speaker..

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