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harakiri:

Dude,

You dey try ooo! How did you manage those few hours of blabbering?

MyJoe:

The difficult part is accepting any belief system. Once you do, you swallow anything it spews out to you because you believe there is some spiritual authority behind it. Since spiritual authorities are higher than you, it matters not that anything does not make sense. In fact, the question of making sense does not arise anymore because you aren't looking for sense here.

The sensible way to deal with ideas fed to you is to be trying to refute them, but with religion, the reverse is often the case - you keep trying to reinforce your belief and anything that sounds contrary is dismissed offhand. "419ers" understand this phenomenon. When they approach you, they sell you idea of making a lot of money first. Once you buy that, the rest is easy. It is after the whole show that you will look back and realise that the scheme never added up from the start. But at the time you failed to see the screaming signs because... you know why!

mazaje:

I was stunned, I was busy cursing and swearing at them under my breath. . .

Nice write up. . .How are you doing?. . .Its been a while. . .

lagerwhenindoubt: Why all this Church-bashing. haba, ba ku de hankali, walahi. If the Faithful are being armed against logic, it does not mean that the Faith is illogical (even irrational can be argued pointedly - with a bold face i might add). I believe going to Churches, what ever the blend serves a much higher purpose than ridicule or criticism the likes we are too quick to dish out. i could not keep up the bold face any longer

MyJoe:
Lol. I guess I'm patient by nature.



I'm good. Thanks. Dealing with some critical challenges. But things are under control.

lagerwhenindoubt:
Sure you don't need a pinch of prayer on it too - what harm could it possibly do eh

Martian: Sweet Jesus

If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Nowif one takes this as a metaphor, it's kind of crazy. But when one takes it literally, how can one not say that this guy wasn't on PCP or the equivalent of crack cocaine during that period.

Uyi Iredia: It's necessary he does that because atheists are equally guilty of herd mentality. It is simply naïve to attribute it to humans. Herd mentality & persecution complex on the basis of a common school of thought is rife amongst humans and can be seen along lines as atheits, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus etc The pastor should have also noted that opponents of the Christian faith grossly overlook shortcomings of their stance.

I will give a counter-example to Deep-Sight using my experience on Rihard Dawkins site. An atheist brought up a piece which nicely showed the faults of Paley's watchmaker argument (along the lines that Paley never strictly attributed complexities to human capabilities whilst ignoring thise naturally generated). I agreed up to the point he said that Nature was a better designer as a 'blind watchmaker maker' pointing out a simple FACT: Nature has never been seen to build a hut. The herd struck and I was quite surprised to find myself attempting to convinve very learned people that saying Nature builds is a fallacy of reification. To cut the long story short I was banned from discussion and my points were bastardized. This is not the first time I've witnessed atheists unjustly banning a person (ususally a Christian) proffering an opposing viewpoint.

The lesson to be learned is this. Brainwashing goes on both sides. That being said I recall Deep Sight' s frustrations in explicating his position to atheists and Christians. There have been criticisms &
Wilful ignorance. Now he mentions a service of Christians and mocks the insistence on focusing on one's beleifs. I can' help but imagine that if it was a meeting of Deists Deep Sight would have been nodding along, maybe we wouldn't have seen this thread.

On a final note, I must say that I can also quite clearly see that Deep Sight (keeping in with the tradition of eminent deists such as Thomas Pain) is a nitpicker. Why ? Because you (in thi thread) pick on a pastor who was preaching a message to ensure the integrity of his belief (Christianity). One can rightly infer he was concerned about the way in which Christianity and/or its tenets are eroding due to the activities of your likes. What else did you expect ?

Bye.

Uyi Iredia: I agreed up to the point he said that Nature was a better designer as a 'blind watchmaker maker' pointing out a simple FACT: Nature has never been seen to build a hut. The herd struck and I was quite surprised to find myself attempting to convinve very learned people that saying Nature builds is a fallacy of reification

Uyi Iredia: It's necessary he does that because atheists are equally guilty of herd mentality. It is simply naïve to attribute it to humans. Herd mentality & persecution complex on the basis of a common school of thought is rife amongst humans and can be seen along lines as atheits, Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus etc The pastor should have also noted that opponents of the Christian faith grossly overlook shortcomings of their stance.

I will give a counter-example to Deep-Sight using my experience on Rihard Dawkins site. An atheist brought up a piece which nicely showed the faults of Paley's watchmaker argument (along the lines that Paley never strictly attributed complexities to human capabilities whilst ignoring thise naturally generated). I agreed up to the point he said that Nature was a better designer as a 'blind watchmaker maker' pointing out a simple FACT: Nature has never been seen to build a hut. The herd struck and I was quite surprised to find myself attempting to convinve very learned people that saying Nature builds is a fallacy of reification. To cut the long story short I was banned from discussion and my points were bastardized. This is not the first time I've witnessed atheists unjustly banning a person (ususally a Christian) proffering an opposing viewpoint.

The lesson to be learned is this. Brainwashing goes on both sides. That being said I recall Deep Sight' s frustrations in explicating his position to atheists and Christians. There have been criticisms &
Wilful ignorance. Now he mentions a service of Christians and mocks the insistence on focusing on one's beleifs. I can' help but imagine that if it was a meeting of Deists Deep Sight would have been nodding along, maybe we wouldn't have seen this thread.

On a final note, I must say that I can also quite clearly see that Deep Sight (keeping in with the tradition of eminent deists such as Thomas Pain) is a nitpicker. Why ? Because you (in thi thread) pick on a pastor who was preaching a message to ensure the integrity of his belief (Christianity). One can rightly infer he was concerned about the way in which Christianity and/or its tenets are eroding due to the activities of your likes. What else did you expect ?

Bye.

Kay 17:

Given that Religion presently has a horrible name and reputation, peeps like Uyi try morning, afternoon and night; even with expenses of placing logic on its head: to include atheists and skeptics in the wagon of religion!

Purist:

So eloquently expressed!

Kay 17:

Given that Religion presently has a horrible name and reputation, peeps like Uyi try morning, afternoon and night; even with expenses of placing logic on its head: to include atheists and skeptics in the wagon of religion!

Within the package Faith, lies the absurd assumption of an unquestionable divine authority and what consequently follows with that in mind is faulty.

Natural processes such as the water cycle, snowflakes, will obviously be deemed natural! If you claim ID, then impliedly there is no Nature.

IamPhantom: You guys are making this thing personal. It isn't. Crusading for atheism makes it into a form of religion, the very thing i do not want or need. Atheism is not a religion. . . .

Kay 17: This is where Faith comes in. An alternate path to discern reality, just that God, bible, pastor, Jesus, angels etc are absolute and unquestionable.

Image123:
hope i do not interrupt the assembly? faith should be in God, not in men or angels, so says my Bible. in other words, pastors and angels are 'questionable.'

Dambudzo: African Christians are grateful for the missionaries that arrived on the continent because in their deluded minds without these intruders we would have forever been a lost bunch. Never mind the scandalous and brutal entry in which this faith was carted in and the things we have lost as a continent because of this carcinogenic agent, but what does that matter if we have gained the infallible “truth”, right ? There is a name for this kind of behaviour, actually it is a mental illness called Stockholm syndrome whereby a kidnap victim becomes sympathetic to his captors.

emöfine2: The African Christians I know are rather grateful for the missionaries that arrived on the continent. Because in their mind without these intruders we would have forever been a lost people. Never mind the entry in which this faith was carted in and the things we have lost as a continent because of this agent but what does that matter if we have gained the infallible “truth”, right.

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I know that Africans rightly or wrongly take matters concerning spirituality very seriously but it does still make me wonder why they are more committed to the course than the countries that introduced “the way, the truth and the light” to our continent. Stockholm syndrome perhaps?

Enigma:


@Kay17

Consider the statement below made by an atheist from http://www.nairaland.com/948243/how-did-became-atheist#11151169



Now let us work on that quote together.

1. As you can see, the poster goes on to say that "atheism" is not a religion. I add that this is true if you are talking of a passive atheist or one who does not think or care about God's existence, is irreligious and is not bothered about other's religion and religious beliefs. It is of course also true of dogs, cows, monkeys etc who we are also told, at least logically, are also atheists.

2. Theism is not a religion --- however Christianity, a form of theism, is a religion. But then see what follows mutatis mutandis in 3 below.

3. Atheism is not a religion ---- however, evangelical atheism which is a form of atheism is indeed a religion.

4. Remember that the American Supreme Court has also ruled that atheism, really in the form of evangelical atheism, is indeed a religion.

5. You should think again ----- carefully; then you will see that it is entirely logical and it is indeed the reality that evangelical atheism is a religion.

6. Finally, you can also consider the article previously posted at link below to see a reasonable outline of the defining elements for ascertaining a religion and how/why evangelical atheism fits in.

http://www.nairaland.com/546562/atheism-religion/11#9255256

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...."

emöfine2:

Hmmm...is this an edited version of another quote?



http://www.nairaland.com/902245/zealous-african-christians-backsliding-european