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Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 4:26pm On Jun 20, 2012
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Gen. 6:2-4 Kjv

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. Gen.6:4 Niv

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment. 2 Peter 2:4 Kjv

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7 Kjv
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 4:32pm On Jun 20, 2012
We (the church) had been taught for long many years that fallen angels who fell from heaven co-habit with human women in Gen.6:2-4 and produced giants in the days of Noah and Jesus said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man". Matt. 24:37 Niv.

Are these Nephilims really fallen angels? If they are, did they actually inter-married the human women to produce giants? What do you think?
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by PastorKun(m): 5:17pm On Jun 20, 2012
hmmm very dicey topic that most brethen like to avoid. For me you can't fully understand this passage well without delving into the book of enoch. Even though some christians would not touch the book of enoch because it is not one of the canonised books by the mainstream christian churches.[some christian denominations such as the ethiopean orthodox church have the book of enoch in their biblical canon]. The book of enoch is also referenced in the book of Jude 1:14-15.

Anyway my point is that the story in genesis 6:2-4 is repeatd in more detail in the book of enoch and reading the book of enoch might shed more light on the subject matter.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by PastorKun(m): 5:20pm On Jun 20, 2012
I would post the relevant passage from the book of enoch below, even though you might not accept it as scripture it does give a more detailed account of what happened in genesis 6:2-4


VI-XI. The Fall of the Angels: the Demoralization of Mankind: the Intercession of the Angels on behalf of Mankind. The Dooms pronounced by God on the Angels of the Messianic Kingdom-- (a Noah fragment).
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And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.

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And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

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And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven...

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And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth. And they said one to another: 'The earth made without inhabitant cries the voice of their cryingst up to the gates of heaven. And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, "Bring our cause before the Most High."' And they said to the Lord of the ages: 'Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! Thou hast made all things, and power over all things hast Thou: and all things are naked and open in Thy sight, and Thou seest all things, and nothing can hide itself from Thee. Thou seest what Azâzêl hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and revealed the eternal secrets which were (preserved) in heaven, which men were striving to learn: And Semjâzâ, to whom Thou hast given authority to bear rule over his associates. And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have borne giants, and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness. And now, behold, the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven, and their lamentations have ascended: and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are 11 wrought on the earth. And Thou knowest all things before they come to pass, and Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.'

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Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.' And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sonshave slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever. And whosoever shall be condemned and destroyed will from thenceforth be bound together with them to the end of all generations. And destroy all the spirits of the reprobate and the children of the Watchers, because they have wronged mankind. Destroy all wrong from the face of the earth and let every evil work come to an end: and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear: and it shall prove a blessing; the works of righteousness and truth' shall be planted in truth and joy for evermore.

And then shall all the righteous escape,
And shall live till they beget thousands of children,
And all the days of their youth and their old age
Shall they complete in peace.

And then shall the whole earth be tilled in righteousness, and shall all be planted with trees and be full of blessing. And all desirable trees shall be planted on it, and they shall plant vines on it: and the vine which they plant thereon shall yield wine in abundance, and as for all the seed which is sown thereon each measure (of it) shall bear a thousand, and each measure of olives shall yield ten presses of oil. And cleanse thou the earth from all oppression, and from all unrighteousness, and from all sin, and from all godlessness: and all the uncleanness that is wrought upon the earth destroy from off the earth. And all the children of men shall become righteous, and all nations shall offer adoration and shall praise Me, and all shall worship Me. And the earth shall be cleansed from all defilement, and from all sin, and from all punishment, and from all torment, and I will never again send (them) upon it from generation to generation and for ever.

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And in those days I will open the store chambers of blessing which are in the heaven, so as to send them down upon the earth over the work and labour of the children of men. And truth and peace shall be associated together throughout all the days of the world and throughout all the generations of men.'

source: http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm

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Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 5:28pm On Jun 20, 2012
^^^
Have you read the book of Enoch? If you have read it, what does it say about this subject?
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 5:57pm On Jun 20, 2012
Hmmmmm, Interesting @ Pastor Kun. I will wait till you post the rest piece that is relevant to this thread. You will have lots of questions to answer though should in case you believe in the book of Enoch,lolz grin
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by nyameke: 6:17pm On Jun 20, 2012
No the Nephilliums are not fallen angels but the offspring of fallen angels and females humans. They are superhumans and provide most of the mythological tales of the gods having offspring from human. Your Hercules and etc. Half fallen angels or devils and half human gives you a corrupted mixture of superhuman beings . Not how God intended it.

Angels cannot reproduce among themselves but they can reproduce with female humans. They weren’t supposed to but they did so to mix the blood of humans with the seed of angels.
The question is why would they do that ?

The reason is that Lucifer the head of the fallen angels aim was to corrupt the human metaphysical configuration so as to prevent the messiah from being able to be born of a pure human gene. Now again why would lucifer want to do that?

Well the promise of a coming savior was given to Adam and Eve when God spoke to them and said that He will put enmity between Satan and the woman, and between his seed and her seed. Satan’s seed shall crush the woman’s seed but her seed shall crush his head The seed of the woman is a designation for the true humanity of the Messiah.

Lucifers first attempt to prevent the coming of the messiah was to possess the woman's heir Cain and then killing the next in line Abel, but the Devil realised the fulfillment of the coming messiah will not ne in Eve's immediate seed but sometime in the future..

His next plan then was to corrupt the genes of the seed of the woman through the angelic infiltration since the messiah was to be born from pure humanity genes.. But God is not to be mocked and you know what God did.
When the pollution of the human race be are much God destroyed them with The flood and another uncorrupted human race was started which did eventually usher in the Messiah..

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Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Nobody: 7:14pm On Jun 20, 2012
This is what happens when people refuse to read their bibles.

How biologically possible is it for Angels to mate with humans , 2 totally different species , and give birth to giants ??

Sons of God simply means children of God , most likely from Seth as opposed to the polluted seed of Cain.

Do what the bereans did , read your bible - thank you

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Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Nobody: 7:18pm On Jun 20, 2012
nyameke: No the Nephilliums are not fallen angels but the offspring of fallen angels and females humans. They are superhumans and provide most of the mythological tales of the gods having offspring from human. Your Hercules and etc. Half fallen angels or devils and half human gives you a corrupted mixture of superhuman beings . Not how God intended it.

Angels cannot reproduce among themselves but they can reproduce with female humans. They weren’t supposed to but they did so to mix the blood of humans with the seed of angels.
The question is why would they do that ?

The reason is that Lucifer the head of the fallen angels aim was to corrupt the human metaphysical configuration so as to prevent the messiah from being able to be born of a pure human gene. Now again why would lucifer want to do that?

Well the promise of a coming savior was given to Adam and Eve when God spoke to them and said that He will put enmity between Satan and the woman, and between his seed and her seed. Satan’s seed shall crush the woman’s seed but her seed shall crush his head The seed of the woman is a designation for the true humanity of the Messiah.

Lucifers first attempt to prevent the coming of the messiah was to possess the woman's heir Cain and then killing the next in line Abel, but the Devil realised the fulfillment of the coming messiah will not ne in Eve's immediate seed but sometime in the future..

His next plan then was to corrupt the genes of the seed of the woman through the angelic infiltration since the messiah was to be born from pure humanity genes.. But God is not to be mocked and you know what God did.
When the pollution of the human race be are much God destroyed them with The flood and another uncorrupted human race was started which did eventually usher in the Messiah..




I laugh in Arabic , wow , see how people are trying to explain concepts that are totally against nature.

God said to Adam and Eve , be fruitful and multiply , he did not say to Eve and an angel be fruitful and multiply. Are you trying to say that God is the author of confusion ?

Hmmmmm!!!!!
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 7:19pm On Jun 20, 2012
frosbel: This is what happens when people refuse to read their bibles.

How biologically possible is it for Angels to mate with humans , 2 totally different species , and give birth to giants ??

Sons of God simply means children of God , most likely from Seth as opposed to the polluted seed of Cain.

Do what the bereans did , read [size=15pt]STUDY[/size] (better than reading) your bible - thank you

[size=20pt]YOU ARE THE MAIN MAN MY DEAREST BROTHER. THUMB UP X1000[/size].

BUT WE NEED TO PROVE IT THOUGH. THAT IS WHAT THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 7:27pm On Jun 20, 2012
nyameke: No the Nephilliums are not fallen angels but the offspring of fallen angels and females humans. They are superhumans and provide most of the mythological tales of the gods having offspring from human. Your Hercules and etc. Half fallen angels or devils and half human gives you a corrupted mixture of superhuman beings . Not how God intended it.

[size=15pt]Angels cannot reproduce among themselves but they can reproduce with female humans.[/size] They weren’t supposed to but they did so to mix the blood of humans with the seed of angels.
The question is why would they do that ?

The reason is that Lucifer the head of the fallen angels aim was to corrupt the human metaphysical configuration so as to prevent the messiah from being able to be born of a pure human gene. Now again why would lucifer want to do that?

Well the promise of a coming savior was given to Adam and Eve when God spoke to them and said that He will put enmity between Satan and the woman, and between his seed and her seed. Satan’s seed shall crush the woman’s seed but her seed shall crush his head The seed of the woman is a designation for the true humanity of the Messiah.

Lucifers first attempt to prevent the coming of the messiah was to possess the woman's heir Cain and then killing the next in line Abel, but the Devil realised the fulfillment of the coming messiah will not ne in Eve's immediate seed but sometime in the future..

His next plan then was to corrupt the genes of the seed of the woman through the angelic infiltration since the messiah was to be born from pure humanity genes.. But God is not to be mocked and you know what God did.
When the pollution of the human race be are much God destroyed them with The flood and another uncorrupted human race was started which did eventually usher in the Messiah.

I didn't see you quote any scripture to support all what you have said sir. Again, from the highlighted, how was it that angels was able to mate with human women since they are spirit?

Therefore, angels are only servants--spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation. Heb 1:14 NLT

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? Niv
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Nobody: 7:47pm On Jun 20, 2012
Goshen360:

I didn't see you quote any scripture to support all what you have said sir. Again, from the highlighted, how was it that angels was able to mate with human women since they are spirit?

Therefore, angels are only servants--spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation. Heb 1:14 NLT

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? Niv

Thank you !!
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 9:41pm On Jun 20, 2012
frosbel: This is what happens when people refuse to read their bibles.

How biologically possible is it for Angels to mate with humans , 2 totally different species , and give birth to giants ??

Sons of God simply means children of God , most likely from Seth as opposed to the polluted seed of Cain.

Do what the bereans did , read your bible - thank you
cant believe i am agreeing with the charlatan Frosbel. but yeah what he said is the correct answer.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 10:08pm On Jun 20, 2012
buzugee: cant believe i am agreeing with the charlatan Frosbel. but yeah what he said is the correct answer.

Hey, be careful....Why call our brother charlatan? shocked shocked shocked.

I don dey expect you and that small pikin called IjawKID make una come decode this myth,lolz grin
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 10:21pm On Jun 20, 2012
Goshen360:

Hey, be careful....Why call our brother charlatan? shocked shocked shocked.

I don dey expect you and that small pikin called IjawKID make una come decode this myth,lolz grin
nothing to decode there my brother. its a simple explanashaun. Frosbel has pretty much covered all bases unless of course you are just looking for backing scriptures. 'sons of God' and 'angels' have been mythologically ascribed to heavenly bodies. however in reality they both mean MEN of God. MEN ON A MISSION FROM GOD. not no spirits.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 10:27pm On Jun 20, 2012
buzugee: nothing to decode there my brother. its a simple explanashaun. Frosbel has pretty much covered all bases unless of course you are just looking for backing scriptures. 'sons of God' and 'angels' have been mythologically ascribed to heavenly bodies. however in reality they both mean MEN of God. MEN ON A MISSION FROM GOD. not no spirits.

How are angels not spirits?

We are on a mission to prove if the "nephilim" in Gen.6:2-4 are fallen angels from heaven were actually same that mate with human women to produce giants and mixed with daughters of men.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 10:40pm On Jun 20, 2012
Goshen360:

How are angels not spirits?

We are on a mission to prove if the "nephilim" in Gen.6:2-4 are fallen angels from heaven were actually same that mate with human women to produce giants and mixed with daughters of men.
angels are humans. technically we are all spiritual beings.

genesis 19 vs 1-2 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.


the angels were told to wash their feet and spend the night. you still think angels are not humans ? matter of fact the people of the town tried to r-ape the angels LOL.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 11:02pm On Jun 20, 2012
Interesting! @ buzugee.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by nyameke: 11:09pm On Jun 20, 2012
Lol see confusion I thought both of you were better than that.. @ Goshen and frosbel

Is it the sons of God or the word angel that is confusing you guys? It's all about understanding brothers..Btw what do you guys think angels look like when they manifest on earth? Shining lights or funny looking creatures lol.

When the angel of the Lord(who is jesus by the way) wrestled with Jacob was the angel of the Lord not in human form. When the three angels appeared to Abraham were they not in human form?

And the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men stood in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the earth, and said, "My lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant." Genesis 18:1-3

Fellas the most usual form in which angels appear, both in the Old Testament and the New, is the human form. It was in that shape they showed themselves to Abraham, Lot, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Manoah the father of Samson, to David, Tobit, the Prophets and in the New Testament they appeared in the same form to the Holy Virgin, to Zachariah the father of John the Baptist, etc

It was also in a human form that the angels showed themselves to the holy women after the resurrection of our Savior. The angel who appeared to Joshua on the plain of Jericho appeared apparently in the guise of a warrior, since Joshua asks him, "Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?"

What you guys have to understand is we are all spirit beings, the difference between an " angel" and us is that, we have a common soul base. We all came from Adam whereas angels were created individually. They are a company of beings we are a race of beings, but in essence we are all spirit beings..

Now the "angels" weren't supposed to mate with the daughters of men but they did and I have already explained why..

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Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 11:10pm On Jun 20, 2012
Goshen360: Interesting! @ buzugee.
getting folks to the right realization of what the bible is really about is my mission.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by nyameke: 11:23pm On Jun 20, 2012
^^^^^ didn't realize you have already explained the confusion with " angels" wouldn't have bothered with my last reply..
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 11:44pm On Jun 20, 2012
nyameke: ^^^^^ didn't realize you have already explained the confusion with " angels" wouldn't have bothered with my last reply..
lol hey you put a bit more hot sauce on your explanation. so you take the cake
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by nyameke: 11:49pm On Jun 20, 2012
buzugee: cant believe i am agreeing with the charlatan Frosbel. but yeah what he said is the correct answer.
is the charlatan addressed to me or frosbel or you trying to be funny Cus last I check I answered that
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 11:52pm On Jun 20, 2012
nyameke: is the charlatan addressed to me or frosbel or you trying to be funny Cus last I check I answered that
Frosbel grin well he aint exactly a charlatan but he peddles false church doctrine
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by nyameke: 12:02am On Jun 21, 2012
^^^^Lol you is a funny guy man.. He is alright man most people just misunderstand certain things about the bible but they are usually the ones always first to attack.. We will all get there though
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 12:09am On Jun 21, 2012
@ nyameke and buzugee,

Kind of missed a point. I didn't consider the appearance of "angels" in a physical form. Okay. I will re-visit that aspect and see the context. Thanks. However, the context of Gen.6:2-4 about the sons of God, what is angels or children of God because I understand that men had began to call upon the name of God before Gen 6.

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Gen 4:26 Kjv

Also, I will re-visit the issue of is there a means whereby angels (of God) will have to manifest physically due to a "special" assignment because the angels (if they are, in Gen.6:2-4) won't be of the Lord definitely or what you think?
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 12:10am On Jun 21, 2012
nyameke: ^^^^Lol you is a funny guy man.. He is alright man most people just misunderstand certain things about the bible but they are usually the ones always first to attack.. We will all get there though
the bolded part is an epic statement. i have noticed that a lot here grin grin
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 12:20am On Jun 21, 2012
Goshen360: @ nyameke and buzugee,

Kind of missed a point. I didn't consider the appearance of "angels" in a physical form. Okay. I will re-visit that aspect and see the context. Thanks. However, the context of Gen.6:2-4 about the sons of God, what is angels or children of God because I understand that men had began to call upon the name of God before Gen 6.

And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. Gen 4:26 Kjv

Also, I will re-visit the issue of is there a means whereby angels (of God) will have to manifest physically due to a "special" assignment because the angels (if they are, in Gen.6:2-4) won't be of the Lord definitely or what you think?
lets put it like this. you Goshen, are here a lot trying to spread the message of God. you are a messenger of God. you were appointed to do what you are doing here on nairaland ( proverbs 20 vs 24 A man's goings are of the LORD; how then can man understand his way? ). so you are an angel. you Goshen are an angel. its as simple as that. just read the gen 6 vs 2-4. its the same thing. the sons of God will be the children of those still loyal to God while the sons and daughters of man will be the children of the dissenter which will be the children of cain. cain was now a vagabond of the earth and his descendants. they are the dissenters. rejected by God. so they are the sons of man. those still aligned with the purpose and mission of God will be the sons of God. TECHNICALLY BOTH FACTIONS ARE HUMAN BEINGS. this is why they can have sex with each other. its like my son having sex with logicboys daughter. logicboys heathen daughter grin will be the daughter of man grin grin while my son will be the sons of God.
ANGEL simply means MESSENGER OF GOD.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by Goshen360(m): 12:57am On Jun 21, 2012
buzugee: lets put it like this. you Goshen, are here a lot trying to spread the message of God. you are a messenger of God. you were appointed to do what you are doing here on nairaland ( proverbs 20 vs 24 A man's goings are of the LORD; how then can man understand his way? ). so you are an angel. you Goshen are an angel. its as simple as that. just read the gen 6 vs 2-4. its the same thing. the sons of God will be the children of those still loyal to God while the sons and daughters of man will be the children of the dissenter which will be the children of cain. cain was now a vagabond of the earth and his descendants. they are the dissenters. rejected by God. so they are the sons of man. those still aligned with the purpose and mission of God will be the sons of God. TECHNICALLY BOTH FACTIONS ARE HUMAN BEINGS. this is why they can have sex with each other. its like my son having sex with logicboys daughter. logicboys heathen daughter grin will be the daughter of man grin grin while my son will be the sons of God.
ANGEL simply means MESSENGER OF GOD.

Gat you bro. Funny though grin grin grin However, the people believed the sons of God in Gen. 6:2-4 were fallen angels. That is what we are treating and looking at. I don't also believe they are fallen angels in the context of Gen.6:2-4 but children of God who pervert themselves as you mentioned in your example (perfect example though) because the sons of God in that context don't carry the nature of the daughters of men meaning the sons of God in that context are people of God who carry the nature of God in them because they now know God.

Because if they were fallen angels that mate with daughters of men to produce "giants", and after that was the flood, then were did another "giants" came from during the accounts of the spies sent to spy the Canaan Land? If they were fallen angels that produced giants, and the flood wiped them out, there will be no more mention of giants anymore in the account of the spies.
Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by nyameke: 1:51am On Jun 21, 2012
Goshen360:

Gat you bro. Funny though grin grin grin However, the people believed the sons of God in Gen. 6:2-4 were fallen angels. That is what we are treating and looking at. I don't also believe they are fallen angels in the context of Gen.6:2-4 but children of God who pervert themselves as you mentioned in your example (perfect example though) because the sons of God in that context don't carry the nature of the daughters of men meaning the sons of God in that context are people of God who carry the nature of God in them because they now know God.

Because if they were fallen angels that mate with daughters of men to produce "giants", and after that was the flood, then were did another "giants"
came from during the accounts of the spies sent to spy the Canaan Land? If they were fallen angels that produced giants, and the flood wiped them out, there will be no more mention of giants anymore in the account of the spies.
@Buzugee nice breakdown but where I disagree is alluding to the sons of God been from Seth line and daughter of men from Cain's line
.. the ‘daughters of men’ can hardly be restricted to only the daughters of the Cainites.

@ Goshen The sons of God as used in that context just means angels. I will see if I can connect everything for you tomorow. It's been a long day and I have to head home but I will leave you with these two quotes concerning sons of God for you to ponder on..

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, Satan also came among them (Job 1:6).

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came among them to present himself before the Lord (Job 2:1)

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Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by ichuka(m): 2:10am On Jun 21, 2012
And the Lord said,My Spirit shall not always strive with man,for that he "ALSO" is flesh..Gen6:3.
What does "ALSO" mean? It means another one.when God said that man also was flesh,He meant that something also already was flesh.what other creatures could be compared with human being? Only angels.for man also become flesh meant that the angels already were flesh.

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Re: Bible Teachers,Let's Prove "Nephilim" Myth In Gen.6:1-4: Are They Fallen Angels? by buzugee(m): 2:27am On Jun 21, 2012
Goshen360:

Gat you bro. Funny though grin grin grin However, the people believed the sons of God in Gen. 6:2-4 were fallen angels. That is what we are treating and looking at. I don't also believe they are fallen angels in the context of Gen.6:2-4 but children of God who pervert themselves as you mentioned in your example (perfect example though) because the sons of God in that context don't carry the nature of the daughters of men meaning the sons of God in that context are people of God who carry the nature of God in them because they now know God.

Because if they were fallen angels that mate with daughters of men to produce "giants", and after that was the flood, then were did another "giants" came from during the accounts of the spies sent to spy the Canaan Land? If they were fallen angels that produced giants, and the flood wiped them out, there will be no more mention of giants anymore in the account of the spies.
Cant quite decipher your question but 'fallen angel' simply means ' a messenger of God who has neglected his duty'. an example of fallen angels will be the israelites. their message from God to the heathen nations was to be the spiritual light and to bring them to the knowledge of God. however they abandoned this post for sango, obatala, baal, milcom, molech, amadioha and whatnot. they are fallen angels. their mission is unaccomplished

'giants' does not mean men of big size in this context. 'giants' mean men of great deeds and huge accomplishments'. if you follow bible literature you will know that a mark was put on cain to make him recognisable to the rest of the world. The mark of cain is the loss of melanin. caucasian people. so when the brown sons of men slept with the white daughters of cain ( who were considered very pretty ), there was the first crop of mixed race children in the world. these children achieved great things because of the familiarity of both cultures. this is why they were called 'giants'

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