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Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ndata(m): 3:44am On Jul 16, 2012
@Gloryland
1. The wipers. No matter how hard they tried during the conversion, the wiper stick/blade looks weird. It curves in a very unprofessional manner.
2. The power window buttons on the drivers side after conversion to LHD has the one touch'AUTO' button controlling the front passenger window which was originally designed as the drivers side in RHD instead of the drivers window in LHD.
3. The pedals are badly positioned sometimes and u can easily identify the absence of the foot rest beside the clutch pedal. This foot rest is seen on the front passengers side indicating that it's converted from RHD.
4. The a/c vents do not channel the air properly. You will observe that air comes from almost all the openings in the dashboard, beneath it and from the gear lever region. The ac fan/blower under the dash is usually inverted and blows downwards instead of upwards, therefore giving no direction to the chillers. The passenger in the front seat may have his feet frozen in a long journey because that is where majority of the chilled air is directed.
5. Look out for over long throtle cable.
6. The pedal compartment on RHS will be covered after transfering the pedals to the LHS and it can be see when you open the engine compartment. It is either welded or coverec with black plastic.

Please can you explain the bolded clearly.This kind of confusing.Thanks.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by thomasjohn: 9:45am On Jul 16, 2012
Ndata: @Gloryland

Please can you explain the bolded clearly.This kind of confusing.Thanks.

you know most cars have a one touch power window for the driver's side,i'e, you can touch the power window button just once and it will lower or raise the diver side window.
so if a car is converted, the former passenger side becomes the new driver's side nd vice versa. so the old driver side which now becomes the new passenger side will hav one touch capability and the new driver side wudnt hav such capability.

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Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ndata(m): 1:42pm On Jul 16, 2012
I got it.Thanks.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by klairekk: 4:39pm On Jul 16, 2012
[quote author=Ikenna351]The EW12 is more powerful like you said, more hp & engine torque than the EW10, which will be more pleasurable & fun to drive on long distance.

What I donot know is the availability of parts, since the 406 assembled/manufactured in Nigeria never had the EW12, but the EW7 & EW10 (though more of EW10). But i wont be surprised that if EW10 & EW12 share the same engine parts. The difference usually is in the engine induction, the Cylinder head, piston & sleeve sizes. I would advice that you google for the images of the EW10 & 12 engines to see if they look the same. If so, then all sensors & components will be the same. You dont get to change Piston & sleeve all the time, for you to be bothered, except if you blow up your head gasket, you maynot find the EW12 head gasket here, unless you source for it outside the country. But that will be if the 2 head gaskets arent the same.

The EW10 is also good. At least 145 hp & 197 Nm isnt bad for the EW10. But I would choose the V6 over the 2, without even blinking, if I have the purchasing power now. But thats me, anyway.

Ikenna.





please Ikenna how much is EW 10 Engine for 406...

Urgent please
tankx in anticipation
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 5:31pm On Jul 16, 2012
@ ThomasJohn & Euroclydon;

Have you contacted Frenchbase? He is car dealer that is based in France, who ships 406 from France (LHD) and sells in Nigeria. You can find out from hime if he has one available now. The last time i checked, he shipped EW10 406 and have sold it. You can checked the link below and contact him from there.

https://www.nairaland.com/901227/peugeot-406-2.0l-engine-16v#10473380


Ikenna.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 5:41pm On Jul 16, 2012
[quote author=klairekk][/quote]

All Peugeot engines can be rebuilt to run like new. Why? Because Peugeot engines have piston Liners, otherwise known as Sleeves. Unlike the Japanese engines and other brands that their piston run on cylinder walls, which if failed, will have to be machined and a bigger sized Piston replaced with the standard one to match. Doing that reduces the strength of the engine. But with Peugeot, the piston and the liners are sold as standard, together with the crankshaft jounal bearings. But its more expensive to rebuild, if you can afford the original parts. They are available for sale in Licenced Peugeot Dealerships all over the country.

I wouldnt know the price of a used/tokunbo EW10. But i bet it will cost upto 100k or more.

Ikenna.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by thomasjohn: 11:17pm On Jul 16, 2012
What is the max age of cars that can be imported into Nigeria? i'm thinking its 10 but i'm not sure.
i intend getting a 2002 0r 2003 406,and will not smuggle it, but i want to know if i can legally clear it?
and how do i ensure that my agent does not smuggle the car to Nigeria?
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 1:03am On Jul 17, 2012
thomasjohn: What is the max age of cars that can be imported into Nigeria? i'm thinking its 10 but i'm not sure.
i intend getting a 2002 0r 2003 406,and will not smuggle it, but i want to know if i can legally clear it?
and how do i ensure that my agent does not smuggle the car to Nigeria?

Its 15 years, not 10.

Ikenna
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by jbrodaly(m): 9:16pm On Aug 15, 2012
@thomasjohn for clean and not converted check this link:
https://www.nairaland.com/1018722/lovers-peugeot-406-4-units
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by frenchbase(m): 8:46pm On Aug 16, 2012
Ikenna351: @ ThomasJohn & Euroclydon;

Have you contacted Frenchbase? He is car dealer that is based in France, who ships 406 from France (LHD) and sells in Nigeria. You can find out from hime if he has one available now. The last time i checked, he shipped EW10 406 and have sold it. You can checked the link below and contact him from there.

https://www.nairaland.com/901227/peugeot-406-2.0l-engine-16v#10473380


Ikenna.

hello Ikenna, ThomasJohn & Euroclydon,

i just read your thread today, and it unfortunate cause i actually had one ew10 engine with gear box in the car that i just sold last week in Nigeria.
guys at ladipo paid me 100,000naira for, but i was told if you want to buy from them it cost 120,000naira. hope this information would help you.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by thomasjohn: 1:40am On Aug 28, 2012
I've been away for sometime cos i was on leave, but i went to Cotonou end of last month like i said i wud.
At one of the parcs i saw over 50 peugeot 406 all in one place, the cars where of different years, mileage and engines but most of them where clean EW10s.
I test drove 3 of the 406, at the end i settled for an ultra-clean 2003 406 but was not able to buy it cos we couldnt agree on the price, i could have bought a 2002 model which was much cheaper, but after driving that 2003 model i ddnt want to settle for anythn less, the difference in soundness was very clear. sorry I forgot to take pics to share though.
I will be going back soon to get me a FOX, I need a FOX in my life.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 4:10am On Aug 28, 2012
thomasjohn: I've been away for sometime cos i was on leave, but i went to Cotonou end of last month like i said i wud.
At one of the parcs i saw over 50 peugeot 406 all in one place, the cars where of different years, mileage and engines but most of them where clean EW10s.
I test drove 3 of the 406, at the end i settled for an ultra-clean 2003 406 but was not able to buy it cos we couldnt agree on the price, i could have bought a 2002 model which was much cheaper, but after driving that 2003 model i ddnt want to settle for anythn less, the difference in soundness was very clear. sorry I forgot to take pics to share though.
I will be going back soon to get me a FOX, I need a FOX in my life.

Wow! Thats good to hear. Will be waiting to hear you have become an owner of FOX.

Btw, were there LHD facelifted 406 v6 manual trans there too?

Ikenna
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Nobody: 5:22pm On Sep 01, 2012
Sorry to go off-topic on this very informative thread.

Ikenna, could you give me a call at some point? I want to ship your item on Monday, just need to clarify a few details, thanks.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by MOBBDEEP: 10:22am On Sep 02, 2012
Quite on point on the inexpensiveness of the car. The price of the Toks were unbelievably low online for Europe ranging from £700-£3000.

@ Thomas John, well come back.
Please, I've been aching to get a 2003/2004 Estate(Wagon) GLX or Executive 2.0 HDI 406.
Did you see anything like this?
In Nigerian value, about how much is the 2003 model averagely?
Thanks
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 2:30pm On Sep 02, 2012
MOBBDEEP: Quite on point on the inexpensiveness of the car. The price of the Toks were unbelievably low online for Europe ranging from £700-£3000.

@ Thomas John, well come back.
Please, I've been aching to get a 2003/2004 Estate(Wagon) GLX or Executive 2.0 HDI 406.
Did you see anything like this?
In Nigerian value, about how much is the 2003 model averagely?
Thanks

In as much as I like HDI engines, I would advice you to look into it very well before you jump in.

HDI engine, by record, is the best French car diesel engine ever produced by Peugeot. The fuel economy is unbelievable. According to Wikipedia, in 2002, a 406 HDI set world record for the longest distance driven on a single tank of fuel (65 litres). The distance it covered with just 65 litres of diesel was 2,348,000 km. So much about French Technology people don't appreciate! Trust me, a 2.0 HDI 406 phase II is the best car for a daily driver. Who likes visiting fuel stations every now and then? A full tank of 406 HDI could carry one for more than 2 months, without remembering that fuel stations exist. The Diesel engine torque is what i find attractive, even though you wont get much hp (you gain some, you lose some). But who cares about the hp in the city? What is enjoyable on the city roads is "how good is the engine torque?". Not just the 406. The HDI in the new 508 average 65 - 70 mpg, when on highway. Can you imagine?

But then, you wont get to enjoy your HDI 406 in Nigeria. Non-availability of HDI engine parts in Nigeria and no technical know- how mechanic on HDI to diagnose and repair the car for you when something goes wrong. Also, the cost of Diesel engne parts is nothing to write home about. Have you bothered to findout how much a HDI fuel pump and Glow plugs cost? They cost fortune.

Fortunately, diesel engine is more reliable and durable than any petrol engine you can think of, no matter the number of cylinders of the petrol engine. A diesel engine has less electrics than the petrol engines, hence, more reliable.

Unfortunately, diesel engines are designed to be serviced more often than the petrol engines, hence, expensive to maintain due to high cost of diesel engine parts compared to cheaper cost of petrol engine parts. Again, you gain some, you lose some.

Its left for you to decide.

Ikenna.

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Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by MOBBDEEP: 11:50pm On Sep 02, 2012
@ Ikenna
Thanks boss. I appreciate.
I'm not someone given to taking action/drastic but I failed woefully on this one.
Come to think of it, I almost bought this car if not for the the price difference of 50k between what I offered & what the dealer demanded.
I thank Baba God & you Mr Ikenna.
I used to believe that the Auto-Specialist in HDI engine abounds.

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Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by MOBBDEEP: 10:34am On Sep 03, 2012
Oga Siena & Ikenna, pls, what do you have about maintenance, repair, reliability & spare-parts availability of Golf MK 4 TDI (Diesel) series in Nigeria?
Thanks & I appreciate preempted responses.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 11:33am On Sep 03, 2012
MOBBDEEP: Oga Siena & Ikenna, pls, what do you have about maintenance, repair, reliability & spare-parts availability of Golf MK 4 TDI (Diesel) series in Nigeria?
Thanks & I appreciate preempted responses.

You still don't get it. The maintenance issue with HDI engines is not peculiar to Peugeot diesel engines alone, its applicable to all diesels.

If i have my way, i would have liked to have a diesel car, 406 HDI phase II as a daily driver. Its simple and easy to fix. Its more durable than their petrol counterparts.

The thing is, Nigerians dont drive diesel cars. Thats why there is no availability of parts or insufficient parts available in Nigeria. If you can source for parts outside the country and do the diagnosis and repairs yourself, then you get and enjoy any diesel engine powered car in Nigeria.

Ikenna.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by MOBBDEEP: 9:11pm On Sep 03, 2012
Thanks boss.
Someone owes you on this one.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by infolpf: 10:49pm On Sep 19, 2012
@ Ikenna351 -

Unfortunately, diesel engines are designed to be serviced more often than the petrol engines, hence, expensive to maintain due to high cost of diesel engine parts compared to cheaper cost of petrol engine parts. Again, you gain some, you lose some.

Hey I am a complete novice, and simply trying to learn, so forgive me, but I thought it was the other way round? That diesel engines are designed to go longer between services than petrol engines, therefore MAY end up cheaper over time? With no spark plugs, coils and other periodic maintenance parts to worry about and only regular , how is it that diesel ends up needing servicing more? Perhaps you meant that parts are more expensive?

Also thanks for directing my attention to this thread!
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 10:51am On Sep 20, 2012
info@lpf:
@ Ikenna351 -



Hey I am a complete novice, and simply trying to learn, so forgive me, but I thought it was the other way round? That diesel engines are designed to go longer between services than petrol engines, therefore MAY end up cheaper over time? With no spark plugs, coils and other periodic maintenance parts to worry about and only regular , how is it that diesel ends up needing servicing more? Perhaps you meant that parts are more expensive?

Also thanks for directing my attention to this thread!

No, they don't go longer than the petrol engines before service. When i said service, it means frequent engine oil, oil filter and fuel filter changes between major maintenance than the petrol counterparts. If a petrol engine of Golf petrol version engine oil is supposed to be changed every 10,000 kms, then the Golf TDI engine oil will required to be changed every 5,000 kms or even less.

I will explain more in the proper diesel thread: https://www.nairaland.com/617749/what-preferred-engine-type-nigeria/2

Ikenna.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by zaza01: 5:19pm On Sep 25, 2012
I been following the thread and its so educating I just want to ask the price difference btw EW10,EW12,V6,DW10,DW12 in cotonu?
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Nobody: 3:09am On Sep 26, 2012
@ Ikenna, I just followed this thread today, its very educative. I am about buying a Naija used 406. I am yet to take a closer look at it, I don't know anything about 406 but all I know about that particular car is that it has a V6 engine, leather interior and auto transmission. The seller who is a friend told me that it has a bad fuel pump and a damaged ignition key that should be changed. I do not also know the year of manufacture for now but it looks like 2002 or 2003. do u think I will survive buying it? I also considered the price,250k
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 7:20am On Sep 26, 2012
Rudebwoy: @ Ikenna, I just followed this thread today, its very educative. I am about buying a Naija used 406. I am yet to take a closer look at it, I don't know anything about 406 but all I know about that particular car is that it has a V6 engine, leather interior and auto transmission. The seller who is a friend told me that it has a bad fuel pump and a damaged ignition key that should be changed. I do not also know the year of manufacture for now but it looks like 2002 or 2003. do u think I will survive buying it? I also considered the price,250k

Auto transmission? Hmm! If you can afford to convert it to manual trans soon, then this has been settled.

Key switch replacement? Am not comfortable with this.

Ask him when last did he replaced the timing belt, tensioners and water pump, with proof. Because you do not want that belt to break on you. Its as good as kissing the engine good bye. Your findout will tell you if you can afford to do timing belt replacement or not, if purchased.

I would suggest you talk to him, since he is your friend. Let him be honest and tell you the issues with the car. I believe there could still be more.

Where is the car? I can come and check the car for you if its in Abuja.

Ikenna.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by GodsSon5(m): 11:42am On Sep 30, 2012
gloryland: Peugeot is European, it comes in both LHD and RHD for different european countries. France, Spain , Germany etc use LHD while UK use RHD. 406 is designed primarily to favour the LHD. Those RHD for th UK market are manufactured with special consideration for possible conversion to LHD one day. This you will observe during the conversion from RHD to LHD. The manufacturer has already marked/punched out the areas where u can fix LHD accessories eg steering rack, pedals, a/c evaporator and fan. 406 is one of the easiest cars to convert because the manufacturer has made it so easy because of europe market. The problem we have is our greedy Nigerian brothers who always like to cut corners so as to maximise profit. Imagine when the RHD pedals and steering rack are bent to fit into the LHD instead of buying the LHD pedal, dashboard, steering rack, A/C evaporator. The result is outright calamity on the road. The pressurized air in the ac pipes can even bust due to the wrong bending and forceful positioning of the system. My 406 was converted badly. The RHD steering was used in the LHD. The RHD pedals were also bent and forced to fit into the LHS. It looked so funny and very difficult to drive. It didnt give me the 'FOX' satisfaction so i took it to another workshop were all the LHD parts were fitted propery. I have used this same ride for about a year and six months without any problem. It still remains my best ride. 406 is so adorable. If converted properly with the right parts, you wont notice the difference with a factory LHD even in the performance.
Good conversion will cost about N220k but car dealers spend less than 100k for this same conversion to save cost and endanger the lives of their supposed esteemed customers.
My advise to anybody that wants to buy a UK used 406 which is always exceptionally clean and cheap is to buy it as RHD, then buy the LHD parts yourself and supervise closely the entire conversion process. Above get info of good workshops where it could be done. Most techicians can handle the conversion if they avoid the greed factor.


Please could ♈ōϋ drop Ɣ☺U̶̲̥̅̊я email for me I'd like to ask some questions about the converting and importing of a car from UK...tnx
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ngutor(m): 3:49pm On Oct 01, 2012
Ikenna sir. Please whats the range for a 2003 406 Ew10, manual drive, LHD in naira
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 5:20pm On Oct 01, 2012
Ngutor: Ikenna sir. Please whats the range for a 2003 406 Ew10, manual drive, LHD in naira

1m +, I think.

Ikenna.
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by anthonani: 2:28pm On Aug 14, 2013
Hello people! very to glad to see a group on 406. I've always loved the car and now i have one. Got it off an Nigerian tho who used it for a bit. Mileage is about 145,000km.. its quite clean. Auto gear (yeah i know). He apparently went through all the drama of the tranny sensor and just when he was bout to convert it, he found that there was a type of auto tranny which didn't require that sensor (they called it "manual auto"wink so anyway....he did the change this april and so far so good.

I've used it for 3 weeks and i'm facing an overheating issue. (which he said he never experienced) Funny thing is the guage gets to 90 and stays there when all appliances (AC, Stereo, Headlamps) are on. Now from that point, if i even so much as use the horn, or turn on my hazard lights, the temp guage just flies!! its crazy! this happens when stationery or in traffic by the way. But you never get to see steam of water gushing out of the water tank like other cars. so I'm suspecting its more an electrical thing than actual overheating.

Any ideas people?
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Dulone12: 10:03pm On Aug 15, 2013
What is the difference between the EW7 and the EW10 engine please
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 7:03pm On Aug 16, 2013
anthonani: Hello people! very to glad to see a group on 406. I've always loved the car and now i have one. Got it off an Nigerian tho who used it for a bit. Mileage is about 145,000km.. its quite clean. Auto gear (yeah i know). He apparently went through all the drama of the tranny sensor and just when he was bout to convert it, he found that there was a type of auto tranny which didn't require that sensor (they called it "manual auto"wink so anyway....he did the change this april and so far so good.

I've used it for 3 weeks and i'm facing an overheating issue. (which he said he never experienced) Funny thing is the guage gets to 90 and stays there when all appliances (AC, Stereo, Headlamps) are on. Now from that point, if i even so much as use the horn, or turn on my hazard lights, the temp guage just flies!! its crazy! this happens when stationery or in traffic by the way. But you never get to see steam of water gushing out of the water tank like other cars. so I'm suspecting its more an electrical thing than actual overheating.

Any ideas people?

What phase is the 406? D8 or D9?

Ikenna
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by TernyB: 1:26pm On Nov 18, 2013
Hi every1 please I have a question on the 406.
1. Is it true that it has two types of engines a silver engine nd a balck engine? An
2. And if yes is the black engine is better buy for the EW10?
3. What is the difference the D8 and D9
Re: Peugeot 406 EW10 Engine Against EW12 by Ikenna351(m): 2:33pm On Nov 18, 2013
TernyB: Hi every1 please I have a question on the 406.
1. Is it true that it has two types of engines a silver engine nd a balck engine? An
2. And if yes is the black engine is better buy for the EW10?
3. What is the difference the D8 and D9

This your numbers 1 & 2 questions get as e be. Which one be black engine and silver engine kwa?

As for your number 3 question, D8 is 1995-1998 year models, while D9 is 1999-2010 (depends though, since D9 production ended in 2004 in France/Europe, but continued in other plants outside Europe).

We have Diesel and Petrol engines in both D8 and D9. We have different petrol engines in both D8 and D9. Now, which one do you want to know? Petrol or Diesel engines models in D8, D9 or both?

Ikenna

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