toba: are there differences between shia and sunnis? can a shia pray in the same mosque as the sunnis?

Do they share the same ideology? if yes, why is Lagosshia against other muslims here?

MacDaddy01:


The guys here are always slow to respond. I wonder if they have to go to clerics or prepare before they talk to infidels. Some Dawah stuff

toba: are there differences between shia and sunnis?

can a shia pray in the same mosque as the sunnis?

Do they share the same ideology? if yes, why is Lagosshia against other muslims here?

the mosque may be run by Sunnis or Shia or the imam (prayer leader) may be sunni or shia in one mosque or the other,but there is no prohibition of either party praying in that mosque.

we share the same ideology of La Ilaha Illallah Muhammad Rasulullah even though we differ in interpretation and the belief of imamate which is fundamental to Shia

i am not against other Muslims here.i love all my Muslim brothers.my effort to propagate my school of thought which i believe has the correct interpretations and beliefs should not be seen as hate.however,if anyone sees it as such and decide to fight and cause confusion as a couple of people (Vedaxcool and Betathing) do always,then you should direct your question at them and not at me.

toba: Thks for the response

I heard on this same NL that a yoruba muslim cant lead prayer in the north, has this to do with the shia Sunni differences?

Do u also realize that one of the groups tag the other as rebel? Why should that be?

.If u differ in interpretation, cant this make either of the sect to loose paradise? E.g they may not see things ur way and one must be right and the other must be wrong, who then is right or wrng? U cant claim to be right cos others too will cliam same.

APART from NL, look at what is happening in Iraq, the battle that leads to killing, should that be right?

The christians have different denominations too but i dont think they fight each other and the muslims must be seen as role models

LagosShia:

it is only that the tension has died down and europe is fast becoming more irreligious by abandoning christianity altogether.religion doesn't play the role in daily life it used to play before.ofcourse,through this reality Islam in europe is gaining as europeans turn to look for a replacement and a number of them have embraced Islam.

Dazl: Am a christian,bt am not too blind to knw dat d sharia law is a law of ABSOLUTE MORALITY....

Abu Muhammad: There is a lot of difference between shia and muslims. if anybody tells you it is only in the branches that we differ then the person falls into one of these categories.
1. A Shia practicing taqqiyya (he knows the truth but he pretends - and this is cardinal in their faith)
2. An ignorant Shia who does not know the fundamental of his belief and is thus similar to
3. An ignorant sunni who does not know what shiism is all about.

As for some of their fundamental belief that separate us, let us examine some few and more will come insha Allah.

1.Some of them believe that Ali should have been the prophet but jibril made a mistake
2.Some of them believe that most if not all the companions of the messenger of Allah became disbelievers after his death
3.Some of them believe that the quran that we have is not complete
4.Some of them believe that their imams (human beings not prophet) are infallible, menaing they do not make mistakes
5.Some of them curses the companions especially Abu Bakr, Umar and Aisha when the quran is clear about not having hatred towards those who have preceded us in faith
6.Some of them like khomeini believe that the imams are higher than the prophets, they have supernatural knowledge

if they like they can respond to each of these issues so that it can be clarified and we have limited it to these for now and because these are fundamental issues not secondary issues.

There are a number of Sunni scholars in the Muslim world shaping a new discourse on the role and history of the Household of the Prophet (ahl al-bayt), Hadith Criticism, and rationalist legal theory. They are staunchly pro-Alid in their views on history, very critical of Wahhabism and its use of Hadith, and well-versed in dialectical theology. These Muslim leaders complicate any attempts to characterize the Sunni tradition as uniform in its views on history and theology. Their contributions to the Sunni intellectual tradition deserve academic study. Scholars representative of this trend include:

Abu Muhammad: lagosshia read my quote about khomeini correctly, i said he said the imams are higher in status than the prophet and you said all muslims believe that!!! Muslims dont believe that any muslim is higher in status than the Messenger of Allah.

LagosShia:
we believe Muhammad (sa) is the master of all prophets,messengers and holy imams,and all of mankind.then the 12 Holy Imams (as) who are the divinely chosen successors of Muhammad (sa) come second,and then the other prophets.not only Ayatollah Khomeini believes that,but every Muslim does,with the exception of Sunnis who also call themselves Muslims!!!

Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulaini, the Shia Mujadid (scholar of the era) of the 3rd century AH, is known by the title of Thiqat ul-Islam ie the reliable. This title has not been conferred on any other Shia scholar

"Obedience to 'Ali is true humility and disobedience to him is disbelief in Allah." (vol.10 p.54)
"Whoever sets up another Imam besides 'Ali and delays 'Ali's caliphate is a polytheist." (vol.10 p.55)
"Doubt about the Imamate of 'Ali is like doubt about the mission of Muhammad SAWS and one who doubts both should be killed if possible, if he claims to be a Muslim. On the other hand, disbelievers like the Jews and Christians and should not be killed for these reasons." (al-Kafi vol.6 p.393)

"The people (including the companions) all became apostates after the Prophet's death except for three." When asked who they were, he replied, "Al-Miqdad ibn Aswad, Abu Dharr, and Salman as mentioned in the verse, 'If he (Muhammad) dies or is killed, will you then turn on your heels.'" (Rijal al-Kashshi pp12-13) Al Kashani, on of Shia scholars reported this from Abu Jafar.

DevotedOne: Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

So, what about sunnis who accept Ahl-ul-bayt, do we accept them? If not why not.? [Although I've heard that they accept the three Imams Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and accept Muawiyah, Yaziid] Are the Muslims uniting?

Wassalaam. DevotedOne

Abu Muhammad: and this is one of their scholars about the quran, guess lagosshia is more knowledgeable.
it is not we 'ignorant sunni'that says the quran is not complete, it is your scholars that said it, so you sit down in lagos (if we go by your name because it could also be taqiya) and say it is not your belief while your scholars say it is your belief. so go and study your religion or come to us and we will teach you islam.

'Abu Baseer reported that he said to Imam Ja'far, "O Abu Abdullah (Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq) What is Mushaf Fatimah?" He replied "It is a Qur'an containing three times what is found in your copy of the Qur'an; yet by Allah, it does not contain even a single letter from your Qur'an."' (Al-Kafi p.385)

Zhul-Fiqar.:
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s*ck people.being sunni makes you feel "high" and gives you courage to express your ignorance with confidence especially wherever and whenever the word 'Shia' appears.its really a waste of time to reply to the same person over and over,who keeps repeating Shia believe "the Quran is not complete" and the Shia do "grave worship". suit yourselves.the more you hate and lie and poison your minds,the more we will Insha'Allah excel in furthering Islam and honoring the memory of Muhammad (sa) and his Ahlul-Bayt (as),instead of honoring the memory of tyrants.

tbaba1234: Today, i had a close shave... i had my life flash before my eyes for a few seconds,

I was happy that i murmured the shahada, i always wondered if i could do it when faced with real danger. Anyway i am fine.Remember death, it could come at anytime. May Allah have mercy on us. Ciao

Zhul-Fiqar.:

may be it is a sign for you to repent and accept the truth before it is too late.

LagosShia:

lol...half bread is better than none,right? its great to be a Muslim.but if you want to understand Zhul-Fiqar's Shia view,you need to understand the Quran.know the difference of what the Quran portrays of being "muslim" (submitter with the lips and some acts) and being a "mu'meen" (believer in the heart).and then consult the hadiths of the signs of a mu'meen described by the holy Prophet (s).I don't want to derail the thread,but I can help you out if you like.

Zhul-Fiqar.:


first claim: Shia are Kaffir.
Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.'' (Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)

"Withhold [your tongues] from those who say `There is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.'' (Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka`ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.'' (Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)