Reyginus: The bible didn't say anything like that. . .

Seeing a direct quote from Romans 1:22, you still blatantly go ahead and say: "The bible didn't say anything like that"
What Bible are you using? I can see that you are in thrall to political correctness.
Every English translation tells it as it is:

[b]
New International Version (©1984)
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools

New Living Translation (©2007)
Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Claiming to be wise, they became fools,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Professing to be wise, they became fools,

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Claiming to be wise, they became fools

International Standard Version (©2012)
Though claiming to be wise, they became fools

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And when they thought in themselves that they were wise, they became insane.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
While claiming to be wise, they became fools.[/b]

Now because you desire to be "in" with the atheist crowd and politically correct. You say the Bible didn't say anything like that, and seek to wrench the verses out of context. The language in Ps 14.1, Ps 53.1 & Romans 1:19 - 22 is clear enough:

ezme:
Can you put this "fools" in perspective, so we are clear what you understand it to mean?

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Here is the perspective you seek:
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. . .

And fool in the Bible verse in consideration here means a stupid, wicked, impious, foolish, contemptible and vile person.

Reyginus: Romans 1 verse 21. They KNOW God, but they do not give him the honour that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead their thoughts have BECOME complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.
Did confirms my statement.

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I see. Stop selectively reading those verses. No one is born an atheist. Atheists become atheists from a position of seeing the evidence for God.
Didn't you see this part in verse 22: Professing themselves to be wise, [size=18pt]they became fools[/size].

As far as I am concerned: if the Bible says it, then that settles it!

Logicboy03:
What is your point? That evilution is random chance? Because that is false.

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aletheia: So evolution is not driven by largely random chance events?. . .so the genetic mutations which your "natural selection" works with do not arise by random chance?

aletheia: Let me put it this way: If there were no random chance mutations of the genetic material, will your "natural selection" give rise to a new species?

Evolution explained in one sentence: "Natural selection" can only "select" what randomly pops up.

Logicboy patently tries to avoid addressing the part where things must randomly pop up before they can be "naturally selected".

Reyginus: Are you of the opinion that all atheists are fools?

What do you understand by the word fool as used in the Bible? See Ps 14.1 & Romans 1:19-22 for the answer.

Logicboy03:
Yawn.......you have nothing.....

My point has been made.

Reyginus: I hope you also know that every state practised the religion of the head then. Was their ever an atheist province in the time of king david?

There might be an officially sanctioned state religion but there was and will always be individuals who go their own way. Else Saul would not have found the witch of Endor, else there would not have been 7000 in Israel who did not bow the knee to Baal &c.

Logicboy03:
Lmao.....is this now what they teach inn church? Anti-science? Ribs and bone marrow can create a human?

Obviously a dolt. Now pay attention: a single human cell contains all the genetic information needed to create a human being.

aletheia:
How silly you are. Men who are created by God harvest stem stems from bone marrow. And from the stem cells, they are able to grow whole new organs. The rib at certain stages in life contains marrow. . .so how much easier is it for God Himself the origin of life to fashion a woman from a rib? Stop displaying your atheistic foolishness.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Mar 12:24

The bone marrow stroma contain mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs),[3] also known as marrow stromal cells. These are multipotent stem cells that can differentiate into a variety of cell types. MSCs have been shown to differentiate, in vitro or in vivo, into osteoblasts, chondrocytes, myocytes, adipocytes and beta-pancreatic islets cells. MSCs can also transdifferentiate into neuronal cells.

If men can do this. How much more God who created man, can create out of the man's rib a woman?

For thou, LORD, hast made me glad through thy work: I will triumph in the works of thy hands.

O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:

But thou, LORD, art most high for evermore.
Psa 92:4-8

Reyginus:
This is a case of an event that happened in a period when atheism was yet to be felt. That being the case. Their is no way the verse could have been speaking of those who do not believe in God.

^Stop this wishy-washy emotionalism. There have been atheists from ancient times. The verses are unequivocal. Stop trying to sentimentalize them away.

Logicboy03:
lol....the same bible that claims that women came from a rib?. . .

How silly you are. Men who are created by God harvest stem cells from bone marrow. And from the stem cells, they are able to grow whole new organs. The rib at certain stages in life contains marrow. . .so how much easier is it for God Himself the origin of life to fashion a woman from a rib? Stop displaying your atheistic foolishness.
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Mar 12:24

^So predictable you are. I knew you would rush to grasp at that. Stop clutching at straws. We can also highlight and bold. . .

aletheia:
[size=18pt]Chance certainly plays a large part in evolution[/size], but this argument completely ignores the fundamental role of natural selection, and selection is the very opposite of chance. [size=18pt]Chance, in the form of mutations, provides genetic variation[/size], which is the raw material that natural selection has to work with. From there, natural selection sorts out certain variations. Those variations which give greater reproductive success to their possessors (and [size=18pt]chance ensures that such beneficial mutations will be inevitable[/size]) are retained, and less successful variations are weeded out. When the environment changes, or when organisms move to a different environment, different variations are selected, leading eventually to different species.

To your shame, the parts I just highlighted show why you have assiduously and diligently avoided answering these questions:

aletheia: So evolution is not driven by largely random chance events?. . .so the genetic mutations which your "natural selection" works with do not arise by random chance?

aletheia: Let me put it this way: If there were no random chance mutations of the genetic material, will your "natural selection" give rise to a new species?

Logicboy03:
Quoting A 2000-year old book to insult people in the 21st century to insult those who dont believe in it. Yes, very logical

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Indeed. The Bible is logical. Whether you believe in it or not, it quite clearly and unequivocally labels you a fool. I know your problem. You want to be seen as uber-intelligent but unfortunately for you, the Bible cuts through all your bullshit and pretensions and names you for what you are.

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:19-22

This describes you to a tee. You have become foolish.

Logicboy03:
I said evolution is not chance. You brought in some strawman to debate which I will not address.
Natural selection is the opposite of random chance.
Get a life. You have nothing.

Yup. Run dog! With your tail tucked between your legs! Obvious you know nothing and have been exposed.

In a nutshell, the evolution hypothesis posits that new species arise by the process of natural selection of chance occurring genetic variations which favour reproductive survival.

Chance certainly plays a large part in evolution, but this argument completely ignores the fundamental role of natural selection, and selection is the very opposite of chance. Chance, in the form of mutations, provides genetic variation, which is the raw material that natural selection has to work with. From there, natural selection sorts out certain variations. Those variations which give greater reproductive success to their possessors (and chance ensures that such beneficial mutations will be inevitable) are retained, and less successful variations are weeded out. When the environment changes, or when organisms move to a different environment, different variations are selected, leading eventually to different species.

The portion highlighted in red above is taken from a pro-evolution website. How many times does the word "chance" occur in the entry above. Clearly then, without chance playing a crucial role, "natural selection" would hit a cul de sac. . .as we see in the fact that there are no new species of dogs despite thousands of years of breeding different breeds for certain characteristics; neither has Drosophilia melanogaster yet been bred into a new type of fly despite generations of breeding in labs. . .which is why the theory of evolution must needs lean on the crutch of "chance, in the form of mutations, provides genetic variation."

Logicboy03:
One of the major mechanisms of evolution is is natural selection. Survival of the fittest. Central to evolution.

You are a callow ignoramus, an idìot-savant repeating empty phrases which you have little understanding of. You are no better than Alex the parrot. Veritably, thou art indeed a dunce!

You have not answered the questions:

aletheia: . . .so the genetic mutations which your "natural selection" works with do not arise by random chance?

aletheia: If there were no random chance mutations of the genetic material, will your "natural selection" give rise to a new species?

Goshen360: Please be careful they don't put you in their club of non-rest.

My brother, don't worry. Just having a little fun.

Logicboy03:
Heard of natural selection? Hmmm?

Fail. Not an answer. All hot spit and empty air. . .as usual. Indubitably, you take the dunce's hat.
I repeat:

aletheia:
So evolution is not driven by largely random chance events?. . .so the genetic mutations which your "natural selection" works with do not arise by random chance?

Is your error which is doubly compounded by ignorance and foolishness also burdened by blindness.

Let me put it this way: If there were no random chance mutations of the genetic material, will your "natural selection" give rise to a new species?

Logicboy03:
Kai, you have problems oooo! You use someone's website frequently and you have the nerve to call him a fool?

Silly emotional response. What I have written is clear enough. The Bible clearly declares that atheists are fools (including you). Deal with it.

If you have nothing but emotional arguments and illogical responses stop wasting my time.

We need to consider this. . .
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:3-7

JeSoul: By the nigerian definition? I don't think so oh. It goes by the building where you're present in...

*abeg no mind me, I'm just having fun *

I know. The reason I asked to perhaps help highlight the hypocritical stance inherent in some of our "christian" traditions.

Logicboy03:
According to you, Seun and Bill Gates are fools. You must be feeling reetarded deep down

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Insecure child. Name dropping as a covering of fig leaves. Why hiding behind names?

Surely you can follow the very elementary logic, 'logicboy'.

Premise 1. If Seun, Bill Gates and logicboy are atheists. . .

Premise 2. And all atheists are fools according to Ps 14.1 & Ps 53.1

Conclusion: Then the aforementioned individuals including logicboy (who despite his name cannot grasp this simple logic) are according to Ps 14.1 & Ps 53.1 fools.

QED.

Logicboy03:

lolololol. Emotional?

The hypocrisy of it all. All atheists are fools but you're on an atheist's website? You must truly be a bigger fool- addicted to a product of a fool.

Another emotional outburst. But I notice you can't help but act the fool. It is your nature. Nairaland is owned by a supposed atheist. It is a forum for social intercourse. It doesn't make it an atheist website. Perhaps, you have heard the term non sequitur.

JeSoul: Well... one is in front of 'christians' and the other is not .

So if "christians" decide to attend a "court' wedding, it becomes equivalent to "church"? After all, where two or three. . .

honey001:
Agreed with u on dis. Church wedding is out of it, it's court wedding definitely.

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Please, what is the difference between "church" and "court" wedding?

Logicboy03:
Natural selection is the opposite of random chance.

You patently avoid the question. Now try again or get sent to the back of the class wearing the dunce's hat.

aletheia:
So evolution is not driven by largely random chance events?. . .so the genetic mutations which your "natural selection" works with do not arise by random chance?

Logicboy03:
Seun, the onwer of this site, is an atheist. I dare you to follow your convictions and call him a fool.

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Getting a tad emotional and losing it, aren't you? I thought atheists were supposed to be the paradigm and perfection of the evolutionary process. . .the acme of empirical reasoning and thus not so easily baited and emotionally manipulated.

All atheists are fools. . .The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. . .

Logicboy03: Then the first paragraph that claims evolution is random chance- a lie

So evolution is not driven by largely random chance events?. . .so the genetic mutations which your "natural selection" works with do not arise by random chance?

Logicboy03:
I'm an ex-christian atheist and you're a christian.

Yawn. . ."I am an ex-christian atheist". . .that's your proof? How laughable. Being an atheist only proves one thing. . .Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him. Pro 27:22

plaetton: You mean that you have realized that anything that has life must also die? Death is the natural order of things, it is not a punishment.
Besides, what makes you think that to die is a bad thing, considering that Jesus, who supposedly died and came back to life, did not have negative complaints about it?.

At least you sound more coherent these days. Guess the English lessons are paying off. Why are you so hot under the collar about a simple statement of fact. Certainly you will all die. It's your guilt-ridden conscience that sees that as a threat.

Logicboy03:
Sharaap!
Number 10 is my favourite. The best in the list!!!

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Here's my challenge then. Prove that you know more of God's Word than me. . .that's if you can.

cyrexx: 10 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a christian.

So you actually think Christians know a lot less than many atheists about the Bible &c? I believe you flatter yourself. You know nothing about God's purposes. And yes, unless you believe that Jesus is He, you will die.

fuelsaver: I call you not a reprobate if you are a believer in Christ, that's Ok. For all I need to know is Christ in you - the hope of glory. For I believe the Holy Bible is the sure word of prophecy and the most reliable revelation of the truth. Every other thing is secondary. God bless you.

God bless you too.

Billyonaire: My early days in Christianism, my enrollment into the Theocratic Ministry Schools and induction into Quorums of the Priesthood was not to evangelize, it was to understand the Bible and the very essence of living and of Life. Scanning through the Gospels about the accounts of arrest and crucifixion of Jesus, the Christ, our Lord and Master shows a clear and distinct truth we are too shy to air and too afraid to take a say. What Crucifixion was in the first century was what Firing Squad was in the 19th Century - a chosen mode of execution of felons. The crime was 'Treasonable Felony'; Being Tagged "King of the Jews" and admitting in the presence of the Reigning King 'The People say I am' a sort of Democratic Popularity with religious-revolutionary followership loyalty, he even had the powers to heal the sick. Which sitting king will not be intimidated ? My personal verdict is "Jesus, the Christ" was crucified not for my sins but because it was simply felony to admit to being the people's King of the Jews. The sitting King believed that Jesus was leading a quiet revolution that could topple his reign. Jesus died, not for my sins, I wasnt born then and not my iniquity, my parents were married before I was conceived. I hate that line. Full Stop

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Really? You conflate several issues. Was Pilate a "Reigning King" or a "sitting King"? Or just the procurator of Judaea?

1. The Jews wanted Jesus dead on religious grounds. They wanted Him dead on grounds of blasphemy.
But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death. Mar 14:61-64

The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
Joh 19:7

2. Their power to execute was taken away from them by the Romans.
Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: Joh 18:31

3. The Roman judicial system did not recognize the Jewish crime of "blasphemy", so they framed Jesus with charges guaranteed to yield the necessary death verdict.
And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King. Luk 23:2

4. The Roman judicial process did not find Jesus guilty of any crime deserving death
Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. Joh 18:38

And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people, Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him. I will therefore chastise him, and release him. Luk 23:13-16

5. . .and so Jesus was judicially murdered for politically expedient reasons by the Romans and Jews.
And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. Joh 11:49-50

And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. Joh 19:12

And so we come to this cross-examination. . .
Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. Joh 18:33-37

Your premise falls apart on the written evidence of Jesus' trial.

Since you say. . .

Billyonaire: My personal verdict is "Jesus, the Christ" was crucified not for my sins. . .Jesus died, not for my sins. . .

. . .there is nothing left for you (unless you repent) but. . .a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:26-27

wesley80: You only heard one side of the story, I'm sure the police would have theirs.

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Goshen360: @ My dearest brother aletheia,

I love you soooooooooooooooooooooo much! The way you rain down scriptures as I have watched you in the forum proves you are properly grounded in the word of His Grace. Keep doing the sound doctrine brother. I have had course to deal with that boy called Logic in the past. Sometimes, I'm just weary of him.

Thank you once again. God loves you and so do I.

Happy New Year, my brother. May the Lord grant you more grace and power to do His will.