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Religion / Re: Design An Anti-Tithe Tract for £50 by Boomark(m): 2:49pm On Mar 04, 2018
MuttleyLaff:
Yes! Not need for it, we now digital
You see how, without it, its caught on Freeze?

How many years after that your Onitsha Mall stunt sef too? grin grin grin grin grin grin
No make am wait 4 years before you do the real thing ooo grin grin grin grin grin grin
and no "ajibu" before then too
"ajibu" loosely meaning "no milk sampling"

Gombs, this guy gave you a beautiful answer here.

Freeze, after 3 to 4 years does not need tracts to ask the unanswerable questions about tithe.

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Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 12:21pm On Feb 24, 2018
Emmanystone:

It's obvious you don't understand what Table the Lord is talking about.

Abeg go find work do.


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Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 3:15am On Feb 24, 2018
Emmanystone:

He needed Salvation first before anything. It's obvious from his story that he needs your help. The pastor failed him, now help him. Afterall na human being you be just like pastor.

Wow! I thought someone just said I be lier super. Make I close mouth before they pounce on me again.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 2:49am On Feb 24, 2018
Emmanystone:

I just sesned that you are a big lair. You know folks hate Ouedepo and Winners Chapel, you need to beg money from people, but to get their sympathy, you need to malign a Church. When they help you today with money, you'd keep coming back.
Stop being lazy, get up and work.

the bible says,A lazy man should not be given food.

Ah! bro Emma. The Lord been preparing a table before me the presence of my enemies for more than 5 months. Bro am so much loved. I hope no one use my name beg you food?

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Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 2:27am On Feb 24, 2018
Chai! I regret going back to church. It will never happen again.

All that happened here is not what I never expected. The lies, the twisting, turning blind eye, speaking out of context, name calling were all expected.

Argument with people here have end o. Gave myself yesterday to talk as I want.

Its been more than 5 months and am still alive. Thanks to all of you.

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Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 10:53pm On Feb 23, 2018
akeensbussy:
the only mistake u made was not asking the pastor what going to WOFBI got to do with the help you need.

you to understand that WOFBI is not a bible school but an indoctrinating school. that is why a pastor in redeemed can not automatically become a pastor in winners without been sent to WOFBI for indoctrination before he or she can qualify to be a pastor in winners. vice vicer

Bro I made no mistake. I understand what WOFBI was suppose to do. The agreement that made me spend all I have without getting welfare is where they wrong me.

If he had told me there won't be any welfare to support myself I could have postponed WOFBI and do it some other time.

Is it not wickedness for you to allow somebody spend all he has and later tell him you are not giving him anything while you had agreement with him?
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 10:10pm On Feb 23, 2018
JesusSonOfGod:



My friend, you need faith when you need anything from God. There's no faith, you went for WOFBI program just to please the Pastors so they will help you. Like someone stated, you needed help from man and you got man's help.

If you actually need help from God, you need to humble yourself, trust Him with all your heart. Your trust on man won't help you and you actually came on this platform to complain not because you want to really condemn the church but because you still believe someone will help you on this forum. You think you will draw sympathy from people (Probably Freeze followers) by condeming the church. You either trust God or trust man.

I pray you get healed, but I still think you need Jesus in your life. Give your life to Christ bro. You can't intimidate God for Him to do things your way. It's either God's way or you continue waiting for a God hater on Nairaland that will tell you to send your account info after casting the church with you. I also don't think being rude will help you either. Jesus loves you.

So people go to WOFBI to please pastors? Will the pastors smile for them or give them food? Are you saying that it is only Daddy freeze's followers that can help people while pastors followers cannot? I see.

Keep your prayers to yourself bro. You need it more so that you can read and understand. It will also help you to stop imagining things out of context when you read.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 9:48pm On Feb 23, 2018
Johncuppa:

There is an arrogant spirit even in your writing.
And your motive for joining WOFBI was wrong and never a display of faith.
Is WOFBI now the reason for your predicament?
I pray God heals you but the way you are responding to people even God will be persuaded to do so.

I don't understand, did living faith suppose to take care of your living and health?

By saying this I got to know that you did not understand. WOFBI itself is the not my problem. What cause my problem is the agreement I had with the pastor which he failed to fulfil. I wrote this in the op but it seems people do not want to see it.

God knows about me very well. There was a time those that want to do me anyhow see anyhow. Those that knew of it will never trouble me. Wasn't going to church then for God was all I have. I gave even when I don't have enough as far as am better than the person. Now I said let me not forsake the gathering of the brethren and they pushed me away with this. It broke my heart because I cannot do such a thing to any man even if the person is not a christian. Maybe that was why I had heart attack.

Even if all the christians here did not help me...I will live on. I won't die. My response to some people is because I no longer understand how christians behave these day. If christ should tell them that he had heart issues and they did not help him. They start asking 'when?'

Bro it is not arrogance. I confidently know that most people here are wrong with their approach. Some of them are just here to defend 'winners chapel.' whatever happens to the needy(the body of christ) they don't care. They are all wrong. I will live to do that great good that has been eluding me all these while for the least of his brothers. It is already settled in heaven.

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Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 8:23pm On Feb 23, 2018
HigherEd:

I know you spent money while attending the program. But are you saying you haven't paid money for the WOFBI program itself because pastor waived the fees for you?


Bro I did WOFBI on scholarship. I never had any plan to join WOFBI. It was my story that took me to church on tuesday and I started WOFBI on wednesday.

The money I spent during WOFBI is what I could have used to find something doing. After WOFBI, I cannot transport myself to church again and feeding became difficult. That was when they abandoned me.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 8:09pm On Feb 23, 2018
UnchangeableGod:
First of all, God calls us to repentance leading to salvation. After we have answered that call, He calls us to discipleship. He then calls us into the ministry. It is not another person that will tell you that you are called. It is the Caller Himself. Have you answered the first call to escape from the wrath to come?

Bro we didn't go to WOFBI to shew gum. I don't need to quote what Paul told us to do for brothers in need. I need help can you help me?

Christ did not ask unbelievers that kind of question you are asking me before he helped them not to talk of his own person. Learn to live like christ that is why we are called christians, it is not by lip service irritation name calling abi answering.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 7:34pm On Feb 23, 2018
GoodMuyis:


The pastor did not deceive you, his expectations on getting welfare for may not go as expected thats why he could help. Yourself say that he had being transferred to another church. Amd this might make it difficult for him to assist.

His action not to contact you maybe as a result of feeling guilty of not being able to help.

Am sorry to hear condition, God will help you out

The resident pastor is still in the church and he is the one I did most of the discussion with.

I don't have the heart to ignored anyone assuming am the cause of their or might have misled them. I will certainly call the person even if I don't have the money to assist.

Some christians would rather defend the pastors, continue blaming me for nothing than help me.

How do you think God will help me out?
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 7:21pm On Feb 23, 2018
HigherEd:
How much did you pay for the WOFBI course?



I don't actually see any deception here Sir

[quoteI]I told him I have little money with me since am no longer working and that I will need welfare to support myself if I should join the program. He asked when I joined the church and I told him. So he said I should go on and join the program, and also meet my homecell leader concerning the welfare.[/quote]

It is deceit when I was ignored and abandoned after spending the little I have while attending the program.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 6:48pm On Feb 23, 2018
Johncuppa:
I don't understand, did living faith suppose to take care of your living and health?
Yes, they can do it but not their responsibility.
The fact that they absorbed you and asked you to join WOFBI does not been they are responsible for your living.
I'm exactly in your shoe and met a lot of folks that are in the same issue - we are told we have calls but we are not UNDERSTANDING it. Most of us left our job for the training and hoping to get a better job or receive divine direction to God's will during or after the program but we never expected living faith to be responsible for our living.


Please read with understanding first before you comment. Did you not see where I told him that I will need welfare before joining WOFBI and he agreed?
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 6:44pm On Feb 23, 2018
LLSAINT:
My Dear OP. From your write up, you were looking up to men for help and guess what, you got what you deserved. Second, God does not call a jobless man. Be not deceived. No where in the scripture you would find a jobless man called by God. The solution is for you to re-direct your steps and trust only In God and not men or their ministries.

Yes I really got what I deserve for going to seek advice from a winners chapel pastor and going to church. Now I know nothing good can come out of them. God is the defender of those being defrauded.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 6:40pm On Feb 23, 2018
mabea:
He only advised you to attend WOFBI first knowing well that your life would be transformed through that platform. I didnt see any promise from what you typed there. The best thing is to seek God. Pray and ask him for your healing

Bro go and read my post well. Jehovah's witnesses reject blood transfusion. They pray to God to heal them but you will castigate them for sticking with prayer.

Tell me you don't go to hospital or buy drugs.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 9:37am On Feb 23, 2018
bedspread:
No body deceived u.... u deceived yourself...

You are looking into man for Help!! Which is an Error

How? Please explain from what I wrote.

I will only say that I deceived myself going back to church but I won't conclude yet until after this period. I have been at peace with myself and God all the years I have not been going to church.

But if you cannot explain how I deceived myself truthfully, don't worry. For now am only seeking help for my heart condition.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 9:25am On Feb 23, 2018
mabea:
I feel sorry for all your troubles but it's not right to join a church just for what you will get. Even if you have a call from God, do you actually need someone else to tell you? He will tell you personally.


Moreover you went seeking for man instead of God. I wonder how they deceived you by asking you to attend WOFBI.

Bro Check the dates in my post. I was working when I joined them in june. I don't desire anything from any church that's why I stayed away for years in peace only for this to happen soon after joining.

How I was deceived is still in my post based on the agreement I had with pastor before I joined WOFBI.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 9:14am On Feb 23, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
Bro, always remember to look to only Jesus Christ, the LORD that provides.

I always tell those around me that I am not your helper, the Lord Jesus is. Though he might use me or anyone else to help and provide for you.

That still did not make me your helper.

Of course bro. God has been using man to help man.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 8:43am On Feb 23, 2018
Bethor:
@OP, same story line, God would do this or that for you...better get up and go and look for job to do and take care of yourself and forget all these fantasy of God calling you before you end up dead..it's all and had been a scam from the beginning....!!
Peace..!!!

That was my plan...to search for something to do when I get the welfare. It never came and I have exhausted the little I have attending the church program.

Use to go out and search but coming back without anything is usually frustrating considering the little I have and the high transport fare.
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 8:14am On Feb 23, 2018
Shedrack777:
feel so sorry bro, they might have deceive or abandoned you, but God will lift you up and send a helper for you in Jesus Name. Amen!

Amen
Religion / Re: How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 8:13am On Feb 23, 2018
terrezo2002:
I pray you get help, but first look unto God to heal you and not on money to treat yourself. God knows how best you will be healed, it may be you have to go to the hospital or not. I also believe the church will help you if you go back to them concerning your case. Meet your pastor again.
Now your attitude seems to be wrong. You said they deceived you. You don't abuse your helpers. The spirit will not allow the help to get to you. Go back and ask for their forgiveness and ask for help. Explain to them your condition. I am sure you will get help this time around.

Bro I tried to reach them but was ignored, maybe because I don't have money. The cell leader has never called me since then to at least know how am doing since he knew my condition. We are just very few for him to forget me. This is more than 5 months since then and am not expecting anything from them.

I have stopped going to church and this is the second time after Assemblies of God. I told God in my prayers that I will not go. I don't want to be thinking of any pastor this way during sermon..."this man can deceive or can be heartless when someone is in need." I gave them enough time to be sure am not making a mistake and that it was actually a deceit.
Religion / How I Was Deceived At Winners Chapel And Had A Heart Attack by Boomark(m): 6:40am On Feb 23, 2018
I decided to join winner chapel around June 2017 after staying away from church for so long. And in the month of july I resigned from work due to some issues I had there. There was a day I attended a crusade in my area, and a woman called me aside and asked me what I do for a living. I told her I don't have any job. She said ok, that she got a message that am to become an evangelist. One of the female ministers from the crusade also told me the same thing that night, that I have a call. I began to wonder why God have not reveal anything to me if it is true. Some years ago, someone from the catholic church told me that am to become a reverend father and I rejected that. I believe that all Christians are 'called' by God.

I went to winners chapel Osisioma, the Aba headquarter and met the then assistant resident pastor for him to guide me on what to do concerning the message I received during the crusade. I told him everything and some of my personal life experience. He encouraged to join WOFBI(word of faith bible institute), a 2 week bible study program and to also speak to the resident pastor. I met the resident pastor and told him my story. He urged me to join WOFBI first. I told him I have little money with me since am no longer working and that I will need welfare to support myself if I should join the program. He asked when I joined the church and I told him. So he said I should go on and join the program, and also meet my homecell leader concerning the welfare.

The heart attack
At the end of the program, I went to the resident pastor and told him that I have not received any divine direction. He told me to continue praying and also meet the homecell leader again concerning the welfare. I met the cell leader and he assured he is working on it. Days amount to weeks and I became frustrated. He kept on telling me that he will do something about it. My neighbours were the ones helping me sometimes with food. I could not believe what happened to me. I sent message to the then resident pastor(he was transferred to another church at the end of the program in August 2017) whom I first met and narrated what am passing through and my poor health condition, he never replied me nor called me. A pastor told me later that I must be paying my tithe and have been a member for upto 6 months to benefit from the welfare program. If they had told me this in the beginning I wouldn't have joined the WOFBI program. I would have known how to manage myself with the little I had then. So while I was still wondering what happened to me I had a heart attack. I prayed that God should not let the heart problem to kill me. Since then till now I still feel pressure in my heart area and have not been able to go to hospital because I don't have the money.

I was hoping that one day I will get money to treat myself. I never wanted to bring this here but I notice some sharp pain in my heart that woke me up early this morning while lying on my stomach. Out of fear I had to write this here. My brothers and sisters please I need help to treat myself.
Religion / Re: Who Are Those That Peddle The Word Of God For Profit ? by Boomark(m): 8:04am On Nov 26, 2017
truthislight:


@Boomark

How far? Long time no see.

My brother I dey o. Good to see you. How your side?

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Religion / Re: Who Are Those That Peddle The Word Of God For Profit ? by Boomark(m): 2:59pm On Nov 21, 2017
bloodofthelamb:
ANOTHER TRUTHFUL QUOTE.
wink
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 9:43am On Jan 02, 2017
luvmijeje:


You are playing defensive. My statement was also a question and you have not answered it.

I defended myself very well, so defend yourself too by answering my questions. It is always difficult for those who feel the devil is using another person to admit that they are wrong so it wount look as if the devil mistakenly used them.

If you want to ask me question let it be on what I said and not on what you assume. Assumptions and accusations are the worst form of defense. It would have been better if you had simply shown me where we can find his presence with quotes from the scripture only.

Using the devil as a pointing finger, "saying why do you discourage me?", and "why do you lack faith in God" are all unnecessary in a "show me" question.

Show me scripture is show me scripture. Your assumptions and accusing fingers are not scriptures. If you don't understand these things I have stated...I will smh for you.
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 9:11am On Jan 02, 2017
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Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 8:14pm On Jan 01, 2017
luvmijeje:


This is your quote

Please use scriptures only to show me where we can find his presence.

And all those things you listed, can't it be done daily, must it be at the end of the year in a certain place? Will it render all you have been doing null and void or less effective if you do not go to a certain gathering for the crossover.


Your questions show you have issues with Christians who goes to church . Which leads to my question even if the Bible didn't say it.... .. . How does it affect your lack of faith in him?

I attends Baptist.

And instead of answering those questions you want to solve my problem with those that go to church through accusation? Don't you see that the way you replied me is one of the problems I have with those that go to church. Besides those questions wants want to know if it crossover must be in the church.

And again, biko how did you know that I don't have faith in him? Did I say anything like that? Does faith in God belong to only those that attend church?

Ok Baptists. I want to start attending church, but attitudes of some people makes wonder if that is what churches now teach.
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 6:36pm On Jan 01, 2017
luvmijeje:


You quoted me first to challenge my response to the original post. Obviously you're in cahoot with the OP who have issue with Christians going to church which lead me to my question.

You don't believe in it then why are you trying to discourage me?

I would have love it if you find that post that tried to discourage you. The Op is in form of question, mine is also a question. You said, his presence is the best place to cross over and I asked, "where is his presence...?"

Does that question in anyway sound discouraging? Which church do you attend sef?
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 6:13pm On Jan 01, 2017
luvmijeje:


No vex.. .. .. ... . The devil is not using you. But what do gain from discouraging people from church? Their faith in God does not affect your lack of faith in him.


You are still accusing me wrongly. I would like you to show me where I discouraged people from going to church. Quote my post wherever it is in bold.

My lack of faith in God? Where are you getting all these things? I simply asked a question "where is his presence according to the scripture?" and you are still manufacturing all these things. I give up!

You are not the only one that love God. Over zealousness makes people lie atimes which is a sin. God hate lies whether you think you are defending him or not because he knew the one that started lying from the beginning...the father of lies.
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 4:59pm On Jan 01, 2017
luvmijeje:


Chillax!

1st Cor 6:19

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God and you are not your own.

Meaning as long as you believe in the son His spirit is in you.

The same Bible Matt 18:20

For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.

Meaning God is also present in midst of those who gathered together for his namesake.

Why are you trying to discourage people from going to Church? The devil is indirectly using you.

I see it has gotten to accusations and insults will soon follow. I will have to leave you since you now know who the devil is using. More reason why I keep distance from church goers. I asked you a question, you gave a wrong reply. Now you replied and added that the devil be using me indirectly. That is what the church is teaching people these day. How to use devil to intimidate people who ask questions. I for finish you with this your attitude but that's not how I planned to start this year. Asking you the question in the first place was a mistake, I did it reluctantly because I know how it is likely going to end up.
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 2:35pm On Jan 01, 2017
luvmijeje:

Apologies for replying late.. .. .. I know you don't go to church.

Hebrew 10:25 says

And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near


By the way who told you I don't do it daily? Is there a crime in praising God everyday? Did God complain to you?


Apologies for saying this.....I know you can't deal with the truth.

I asked you a specific question, "where can we find his presence?" Show me with scriptures as back up.

I believe someone that goes to church should be able to show us this. What you presented is a quote on how good it is to meet together and encourage one another. "Meeting to encourage"

God is not happy with those who go to church but can't answer questions truthfully. Those who go to church but don't follow the footsteps of Christ in dealing in dealing with men. Please answer the question about "his presence," no hide and seek reply. If don't know, it will be an honour for you to say so. Trying to lie with lies brings ridicule.
Religion / Re: What Are The Significance Of Going To Church Every 31st Of December? by Boomark(m): 11:03am On Jan 01, 2017
luvmijeje:
I'm just noticing that for you to show how enlightening, superior and knowledgeable you are to others, you have to bash what millions of people hold sacrant.

As for me luvmijeje the following are the reasons to be in his presence on the 31st of December

1. To show my appreciation for his grace over the year.

2. To give a magnificent dance for his love over the year.

3. To show him I'm not ungrateful of his faithfulness over the year.

4. To request that the latter year must be greater than the former.

5. To experience inexpressible joy and undescriable gladness.

And so much more.

If you have not given your life to Christ... .. .. you will never get it

Please use scriptures only to show me where we can find his presence.

And all those things you listed, can't it be done daily, must it be at the end of the year in a certain place? Will it render all you have been doing null and void or less effective if you do not go to a certain gathering for the crossover.

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