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Business / Re: Ban Air France From Nigeria Now! by diarra94(m): 3:45am On Nov 22, 2014
i dont mind nigerians being scrutinized before entry into any country... most of you motherfuckers do nothing but soil nigeria's disfigured image.
Politics / Re: Jonathan Is An Embarrassment To Ph.D Holders - Professor Akin Oyebode by diarra94(m): 9:38am On Oct 31, 2014
nigerian professors are bullshit. they make absolutely no tangible contribution to science but just sit on their asses and fail students. i would have probably killed one of my lecturers if i studied in nigeria.
Politics / Nigeria Has The Highest Number Of Child Homicides by diarra94(m): 12:50pm On Sep 05, 2014
About 120 million girls around the world - slightly more than one
in 10 - have been raped or sexually assaulted by the age of 20, a
UN report says.
The children's agency Unicef also says 95,000 children and
teenagers - most of them in Latin America and the Caribbean -
were murdered in 2012 alone.
It notes that children around the globe are routinely exposed to
violence, including bullying.
The document draws on data from 190 countries.
'Lifelong repercussions'
The violence "cuts across boundaries of age, geography, religion,
ethnicity and income brackets,'' Unicef executive director
Anthony Lake said.
Homicide is the leading cause of death among young males in
many Latin American countries, the UN says

Violence against children
120m girls - one in 10 - are raped or sexually attacked by age
of 20
Boys also report experiences of sexual violence, but to a
lesser extent than girls
The most common form of sexual violence for both genders is
cyber-victimisation
95,000 children and teenagers were murdered in 2012
Slightly over one in three students aged 13-15 experience
regular bullying in school
Six out of 10 children aged between two and 14 are physically
punished by carers.

"It occurs in places where children should be safe, their homes,
schools and communities.
"Increasingly, it happens over the internet, and it's perpetrated
by family members and teachers, neighbours and strangers and
other children.''
The study revealed that about six out of 10 children aged
between two and 14 were subjected to physical punishment from
their carers on a regular basis.
One in three girls, aged between 15 and 19, who had at some
time been in cohabiting relationships, had been victims of
emotional, physical or sexual violence committed by their
husbands or partners, the report said.
Partner violence appeared to be particularly prevalent in countries
including the Democratic Republic of Congo, Uganda, Tanzania
and Zimbabwe, the report said.
Of the countries surveyed, nearly half of all girls aged 15-19
believed that a husband was justified in hitting his wife under
certain circumstances, the study added.

Grim audit
Meanwhile, homicide was reported as the leading cause of death
in boys and men aged 10-19 in many Latin American countries,
such as Venezuela, Panama, Brazil and Colombia.
Nigeria had the highest number of child homicides - 13,000,
while the US had the highest homicide rate among countries in
Western Europe and North America.
Research showed that violence was "detrimental to all aspects of
a child's growth... with sometimes lifelong repercussions," the
report said.
The study said cyber-victimisation was the most common form
of sexual violence for both genders
It noted that while there had been growing recognition in recent
years about the impact of violence against children, it largely
remained underreported and undocumented.
The report stressed that violence against children in some
countries remained socially accepted or tacitly condoned, and
quite often victims were too afraid to report the abuse.
Never before have so many statistics been gathered from so
many different countries, and together they have produced a
grim global audit of violence against children, the BBC's Nick
Bryant at the UN says.

Source: http://m.bbc.com/news/world-29071073
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 3:21pm On Aug 23, 2014
cloudstar: cloudstar



Evolution is not science; it's a theory. This theory has no scientific basis that can be tested, measured or controlled. It is based on belief that something happen. Chemistry can be tested and chemistry developed by others confirming and observing it's basis. That is why no one argues or can disprove Chemistry methods as a science. Evolution on the other hand claims to have happened over hundreds of millions of years, we can't measure it, we can repeat it, we can't test it. So, how is evolution scientific if it can't be observed? How can we observe a fish turning into a snake? Can you please throw more light on how the science of biology is similar to evolution. Biology doesn't claim that humans came from fish Bros. Biology doesn't claim that human life came from a single cell organism. You are the one using Biology concept as a face to evolution.


I would not write long sentences any longer because its clear your problem is you have no understanding of evolution. all these misconceptions you have are well evaluated and discussed in books and videos. go figure. you never answered my question, what does biology say about the evolution of angiosperms.

please educate yourself: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html.


cloudstar:
If I could make it any clearer for the sake of a discussion I would. You like to argue from silence and I have tried several times to tell you that it has no bases. The Bible used the word beasts and their kind. There are hundreds of beasts each after their own kind. You have formatted your brain to refuse this explanation but would rather believe that all living creatures came from a tadpole grin


the problem is Christians try to indiscreetly change the words in the bible to suite present day scenarios, the bible clearly said everything that creeps on the ground which is not a distinction of animals on any basis.

cloudstar:
Another mis-representation. The Bible never claimed that everything that creeps is of the same kind. The two verses clearly categories that animals are listed under their own kind. Beasts i.e. lions, dogs, horses, elephants are unique to their own kind. You comprehension level really shows your ignorance or direct misrepresentation on the narrations.


this is a direct quote from you " Then God said, " Let the earth bring forth
living creatures after their kind : cattle and creeping things and
beasts of the earth after their kind "; and it was so. God made
the beasts of the earth after their kind , and the cattle after
their kind , and everything that creeps on the ground after its
kind
; and God saw that it was good." you should also know that cattle were domesticated from wild aurochs and bisons around 10000 years ago so I don't get that. you should also check out the definition for a beast before you rush to defend such nonsense.


cloudstar:
Please post the link then if that was the case


the link is in the text. http://bib.irr.org/todays-bible-real-bible. please learn to read quotes before dismissing them.

cloudstar:
I never asked you about flowers Bros - please pay attention to the question. I said a seed. For example can you scientifically explain how a seed of say an apple or a mango is made. Can you also use evolution to explain how a such a seed is made. I am not talking about germination. I will like you to use evolution to explain how we get a simple apple seed.


I did exactly that. seeds are produced in flowers and so you you can't explain one ignoring the other. go back and read that more concisely.

cloudstar:
Again, you have repeatedly confirm my position even though you are using the same reasoning you have been refuting all along grin. The question was never about if there was a God. I have conceded that I believe there is a God on faith - I never once took the stance that I can prove the origin of our universe or that the Bible can be 100% proven historically. You were the one that stated authoritatively that life is as a result of chance and yet you have confirmed that such a view might be wrong. So, from your argument you confirmed:

1. There there is a possibility that God exist since you are not all knowing
2. That your grounds on evolution is based on faith and not on proven scientific methods

From the above, I rest my case.


I don't believe in faith but reason. I never said evolution is not a theory. I made myself clear when I said just as the foundation for modern chemistry was laid centuries ago, so is evolutionary science being developed today. A lot of new findings will be made and many misconceptions will also be resolved. This is pure science.


cloudstar:
Asking who and how God came into existence is similar to asking "what does blue smell like?". Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created or caused. God is un-caused and un-created—He simply exists. How do we know this? We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing thing is what we call God. God is the uncaused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.


And this is why I can't bring myself to believe in god. Everything has a source and god can not be excluded as I am sure he must be made up of matter.

cloudstar:
The big bang is a theory Bros, it is not proven science. I can measure gravity, I can test and record it. You can't measure the big bang, you can't test or replicate it - that is why it is called a theory. Your problem is that you are mixing up theory with facts. No scientist can tell you the genesis of the big bang or the origin of our universe simply because they can't peek into time. So, they come up with a theory with a "Big Bang" our universe was born. I accept that it is a theory but to claim that it is fact when it can't be proven is the issue. You have to have blind faith to believe that our world was as a result of a big bang as it cant be proven. In the same way I believe that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" grin


You are drifting from our argument. Your misconceptions on the big bang are not my problem to solve as you have Google and physicists for that. No one said the big bang theory was triggered by nothing. Go figure.

cloudstar:
A scientific law has no known exceptions, or else it would not be a law in the first place. A "theory - as in evolution" on the other hand, is merely an "attempt to explain" phenomena by deduction from other known principles . A theory may not be true, but a law, by definition, is always true. Since there are no known exceptions to scientific laws, would it not be unscientific for evolutionists to assert, without any scientific evidence, that there have been exceptions to the laws of science in the past?
Furthermore, As far as science can tell, its laws have never been violated. They are without exception. From a scientific perspective, the evolutionary model falls short of being able to account for the origin of the Universe. Indeed, it contradicts the known laws of science that govern the Universe.
You keep shouting that Biology and Evolution are linked and similar, NO THEY ARE NOT. For example, look at the Law of Bio-genesis. It is accepted and proven that the Law of Bio-Genesis is a scientific and Biological fact. So, how does such law fits into evolution. Evolution suggests that living things like you and I came from non-living things. Can you please explain that.

I would not say much please do read this
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
and just to let you know evolution theories are without exceptions.

cloudstar:
Proof there is a Creator doesn't explain evolution. You have conceded that you are not all-knowing and since you are not all-knowing that it is possible there is a God. The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. God is the first cause and is entirely self existent, meaning the reason for God’s existence is contained within the very definition of God. God is beyond time and space so He wasn't created


And yet he destroyed a tower cos humans were trying to build up to heaven. I don't think he is beyond space then. How can you claim god is beyond time and space when you can't prove his existence.

cloudstar:
If we want to prove God's existence we should agree to a standard that you and I submit to i.e. the laws of cause and effect, the law of teleology. In the same way if we want to prove evolution, we have to agree to scientific laws i.e. the laws of cause and effect, the law of teleology, the second law of thermodynamics, the law of bio-genesis. If you agree on these common grounds we can explore the if evolution or God provides a better answer to the origins of the universe using existing laws of science.


Like I've said countless times I am not here to change your concept of our existence but to make you understand that evolution is already well established and major breakthroughs are continuously made

cloudstar:
We survive here because the earth is perfect for human life. Go and adapt on Mars, Saturn or Pluto. The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day. So, it is not because we can adapt but because this earth is fine tuned exactly for life as we have it.


Why do plants use carbon dioxide while animals use oxygen. Why can't humans live in water or very high terrains. We have adapted to living on land. I understand what you mean by the earth having the right conditions and resources for our existence but adaptation enabled us make the best use of those resources.

cloudstar:
I am not confusing evolution with magic. Your basis of evolution is lots of time and faith in mother nature. Faith and time are not ingredients of scientific laws. Insects with legs on their heads is not based on environment or mother nature. Also, these insects are not changing into other insects; their DNA is not re-written Bros. That been said, can you please provide an authoritative reference to this claim.


hahaha you're knowledge on mutation and genetics is also very shallow. please make sure you check out these links

http://www.icr.org/article/fruit-flies-face-macroevolution/

http://news.yale.edu/2013/10/17/researchers-rewrite-entire-genome-and-add-healthy-twist


cloudstar:
You have confirmed that evolution requires millions and millions of years so in other words, we can't test for evolution. In scientific terms, if you can test a phenomenon to prove it's theory; what is that called?


its called a scientific law . evolution is not a law. you haven't answered my question on the elephant man.


cloudstar:
If you accepted evolution for what it is, there wouldn't be any disagreement. The issue here is that you are claiming it is proven science when it is not. I am not faulting evolution as a theory - it is EXACTLY that, a theory. But to claim that this theory is true and proven when you need millions of millions of years and chance to not even come close to proven it is not scientific. Everyone can decide what they want to believe, any fool can make a rule and every fool can believe in it.


So just because evolution takes millions of years to occur simply means it is not scientific. Yes evolution is a theory. Like I said we presently lack the tools and knowledge to replicate or prove evolution in a lab. We are not dealing with chemicals here but living cells which are much more complex to manipulate. I like your last statement because the bible is a classic example.


cloudstar:
By ape-like creatures are you saying the existing apes we have now or another kind of apes?


they were apelike but more upright and with slightly larger brains.

cloudstar:
You are mis-representing me. I said I can't prove God created the Universe and the question of how old the earth is a theological one. You stated that some Christians believe that our earth and universe is 6000 years old. I said that time-frame is when the author started telling the story of God creation. When I mentioned historical evidence, I was referring to historical evidence that can be traced i.e. the early manuscripts, Roman account and documented account of Jesus crucifixion. These are events that can be proven historically. Events such as the creation of the world can't be proven historically. So please, do not misrepresent what I said.


but you hypothesized the earth being several million years old. You should be able to back that estimate with a proof. Besides I said the new testament gives Jesus' genealogy up to Adam and that information does not reflect even a 100 thousand years.

cloudstar:
Try this interesting experiment: Empty your garage of every piece of metal, wood, paint, rubber and plastic. Make sure there is nothing there. Nothing. Then wait for ten years and see if a Mercedes evolves. Try it. If it doesn’t appear, leave it for 20 years. If that doesn’t work, try it for 100 years. Then try leaving it for 10,000 years. Here’s what will produce the necessary blind faith to make the evolutionary process believable: leave it for 250 million years grin


of course you'll find a Mercedes if you won the lottery. Like I said you lack complete knowledge of evolution. You agreed in a previous post that humans adapt to their environment, now you'll have to explain that. If a Mercedes could just appear out of thin air you'll officially be the next Houdini. What if I said yes in 250 million years you will find a Mercedes SLR in that garage, would you argue that. Hahaha you are a classic joker
its quite apparent that this argument is going nowhere. please stick to your ideals.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 9:22pm On Aug 22, 2014
cloudstar: cloudstar



Please check again. Biology is proven science - evolution is faith based theory. They are mutually exclusive. Mind you, your claim of single cell origin of life from a single cell to the complex human DNA can't and haven't been proven. Hence the reason you come up with evolution. There is NOT one evolution claim that you can re-produce in a lab.

like I said evolution is a young science and therefore not extensive research has been done. just as the foundation, theories and equations for chemistry were laid down centuries ago, so are we laying the foundation and grid for evolution. it seems you skipped biology lessons in school because last time I checked biology is firmly built on evolution and disproving evolution also disproves biology. you can check out what plant angiosperms evolved from biologically and quote it right here.

cloudstar:
It's evident you are deliberately trying to misrepresent the Bible. Here is the Bible account about the creation of animals according to their kind:
Genesis 1:24-25: Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

hahaha, but you failed too see that this verse basically puts all beasts of the earth as one kind or family which is completely false. using this reasoning a bear and a tiger can copulate. "everything that creeps on the ground" is not a classification for animal or insects in any way. I can't believe you refuse to comprehend evolution but put your faith in such nonsense.

cloudstar:
It is clear that God made animals after their kind - the lion and tiger are of the same species and kind; that is why they can mate and have off-springs. The fish and lizard are not of the same kind. The hippo and crocodile are not of the same kind. Man and apes are not of the same kind. You have claimed so many things of the Bible but as always it comes back to bite you.

but the bible just said everything that creeps on earth is of the same kind. remember the bible made it clear not to corrupt god's work. if this is the Bible's classification of animals, then I think it requires a well deserved update.



cloudstar:
Bros, you quoted an article that was captured on Wikipedia. My point was if you are providing authoritative references, please don't use wikipedia

I told you that text was never from Wikipedia but directly from an archeological site. this shows you never even read the text but just rushed to Make comments


cloudstar:
You asked me if I have experienced any miracles as related to the Bible and I gave you my account. I didn't record it. I don't see what difference it would have made if you are a skeptic from the jump start. What explanation are you expecting Bros? Let me ask you a question, can you scientifically explain how a seed is made?

of course it will make a difference. you need to prove your assertions just as you have requested proofs from me. so I can also safely conclude that it wouldn't make any difference explaining myself if you are skeptic from the start.
Seed-making in flowering plants is a little more complicated.
Most flowers contain both male and female sex cells. The
typical flower has four main parts: an outer cup of leaflike
sepals, a ring of petals within the sepals, and inside, male
reproductive organs surrounding female parts. Male cells
develop in structures called stamens and travel enclosed in
the hard shell of pollen grains. Female cells, or ovules, develop
deep in a flower's ovary, enclosed in a structure called a pistil.
The top of the pistil-known as the stigma-is long and sticky
and a good target for pollen. After it reaches the stigma, a
small tube grows out of the pollen grain. The male cells travel
down the pollen tube, eventually reaching female ovules. Then
fertilization occurs and seeds start to grow.
Since flowers possess both male and female parts, some
flowers can fertilize themselves (or fertilize another flower on
the same plant), which is called self-pollination. Or the ovules
of one flower may be fertilized by the pollen of a different
flowering plant of the same species, a method called cross-
pollination. The wind, water, insects, and other animals help to
carry pollen from one flower to another. Cross-pollination
usually produces a better plant: the offspring of cross-
pollination possesses the genetic traits of two parents, which
may give it new characteristics that will help it survive in an
always-changing environment. Cross-pollination is so desirable,
in fact, that many flowering plants have developed different
ways to keep self-pollination from happening. In the flowers
of a spiderwort plant, for example, the stamens are ready to
release pollen grains before the pistils are ready to accept
them, so the pollen has to travel to other spiderwort plants in
search of a ripe pistil. I don't really see the relevance of this question. you should know that there are plants which don't produce seeds.

cloudstar:
You have answered my question - since you are not all knowing; you can't claim there is no God. You can decide with your limited knowledge and within the confines of evolutionary theory that a God isn't feasible and doesn't exist. My stand is simple - the evolution explanation is not plausible as it leaves major gaps on our origin. Also, evolution can't be proven scientifically. There is not one evolution claim you have made that can be reproduced using scientific methods.

You have answered my question - since you are not all knowing; you can't claim there is God. You can't decide with your limited knowledge and within the confines of biblical teachings that a God is feasible and does exist. My stand is simple - the biblical explanation is not plausible as it leaves major gaps on our origin. Also, evolution can be proven scientifically as it is the basis of biology. like I said evolution is a relatively new field compared to other well established fields such as chemistry. we need more critics like you to enable use research extensively and build up evolutionary science into a separate discipline.

cloudstar:
Evolution claims that the universe originated from nothing - scientifically, that is an impossible statement. Evolution is saying that if you take one million nuclear bombs and they blow up, it will create a perfect, beautiful and wonderful country called America. Or, if a tornado hits a town and destroys all the houses and spins them around over 200 miles per hour - it will produce a perfect air-plane. It I take metal junk from the scrap-yard, put it in a box and shake it hard for 10 months, it will produce a Rolex.

not just evolution but core science such as physics is based on the big bang. with that knowledge I guess you should be able to address what, who and how god came into existence because as you said something can't come out of nothing. I want you to quote exactly where the big bang was compared to a nuclear bomb, I guess your problem is you lack an understanding of science completely. a tornado rather increases entropy that's the only similarity it shares with the big bang. At this point, I have to refer you to a psychologist because its apparent you are comparing science to magic. evolution occurs in living cells, and no one ever said it involves order so you can keep shaking that Rolex for a gazillion years and nothing will change.

cloudstar:
I have conceded that it takes faith to believe in an all intelligent being. An intelligent being that is more intelligent than us that He created the earth and fine tune it perfectly for human life. You tend to take the stand that evolution can be proven scientifically yet if we use any scientific method; not one evolution claim can be proven. You said man came from fish yet it can't be proven using scientific method. Instead you believe someone else account of it not because it is true but because it is an alternative to intelligent design.

just as I said you should be able to explain god and his existence because I still can't believe you requiring evidences and proofs for evolution yet believe in something as unfeasible as god. the earth is not fine tuned perfectly for human existence, we have adapted to the all treacherousness and ills of the earth and fine tuned ourselves to exist here, and now with technology we're doing that much faster than ever before. like I said you confuse evolution for magic, you can't just change a fish into human. that is the job of nature, the environment and mutation. so far a lot of success has been achieved on mutation studies, I am sure you've seen insects with legs on their heads instead of antennas on their heads created in the lab. that is just the tip of the iceberg on mutation. evolution is different fom coventional sciences as it requires the effects of time, a lot of time. if you want to see evolution in action, you can decide to live for a million years. now I want you to explain the elephant man based on an intelligent design and God's perfection.

cloudstar:
So, if tomorrow we can trace our origin with proven facts that we can test and reproduce that we came from fish; I will become an evolutionist. Until then, the evolution theory lacks any scientific merit, IT IS BASED ON BLIND FAITH - not any different that believing in Alladin's magic Genie lamp.

you see evolution is already established, you not accepting it doesn't change a thing. with more research and outstanding studies being carried out on evolution, I am positive that future generations and even your children will accept evolution. if only we could make cells replicate at a very fast rate and in the required conditions, we can watch evolution in action. for now that is impossible but I am positive your descendants will enjoy that privilege.

cloudstar:
Where did you meet these people? Did they mate with apes? If yes, what did their off-spring look like?

they were African natives in Niger. their records showed they did evolved from an apelike creature. their offsprings looked like the average African child.

cloudstar:
I can only give evidence of historical account. For example, I can't prove God created the world - that is a theological perspective. So, I have faith that God created our universe by all the evidence of His creations. For example, science can't prove the universe just created itself out of nothing?; I am sure about that because nothing can create nothing. So, if you believe that matter came out of nothing and everything we have came out of nothing; you are conceding that it is based on faith and not science.

please, do prove your assertion, because the biblical genealogy of Jesus never pointed to that. you said you can't prove God's existence or creation yet you want to use historical accounts to evaluate the earth's age since creation, wow. like you said since nothing can create nothing, it is safe to assume god is nonexistent else you should be able to explain god's source.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 7:09am On Aug 22, 2014
cloudstar:
In summary, evolution is not proven science but blind faith. That is all I wanted you to admit and you have done you several times. So, whenever you tell yourself that evolution is true and more plausible than creationism, remember that both rely on faith. I rest my case grin.

you haven't explained the success of evolution in biology cos last time I checked biology is based on evolution and its success is a logical evidence. why don't you start a biological field based solely on creationism.

cloudstar:
You can't prove science with text and images. For example, I can prove gravity by taking a stone and dropping it; if it falls to the ground, I can repeat the experiment, document it, observe it and even have others confirm it - THAT IS SCIENCE. The same way, if I put concentrated sodium on H2O, I will get a combustive reaction; I can repeat such action and everytime get the same result. Unfortunately, the "science" of evolution doesn't fall into that category. Yet, people like you want us to accept it as true even when it's not even a theory but it is based on blind faith.

the science of evolution is very easy to understand except your brain is choked. as you have pointed out yourself, a lion and a tiger can produce an offspring, being of the same evolutionary ancestor. this however disproves the biblical notion of every animal independently created by god. its funny how you mentioned you only believe in proven yet you believe all the bedtime stories in the bible which are utmost crap.

cloudstar:
You claimed it was. You inferred that the present Bible is the work of men because it is full of errors and have been edited and the entire theme corrupt. I challenged you to prove it by showing what was changed, when it was changed and by whom. I even asked you to refer to the earliest manuscript in question. You have refused to because you have little understanding on the subject.
You quoted from wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an authoritative reference when it comes to New Testament history. To prove a manuscript written in the 2nd century is corrupted; you will have to provide multiple attestation from several sources that can confirm that the manuscript in question was corrupt.

that quote is not from wikipedia, it is from an archeological website. this shows you never even read the text but swiftly refuted it.

cloudstar:
It appears you have reading comprehension. I told you that I have seen a crippled woman walk. You made fun of it and said you have seen the same with artificial limbs. I am referring to a lady that I saw over the course of a week that walked in clutches everyday and was healed by prayers. She got up and walked.

I told you I have also seen a paralyzed woman walk with electrical stimulation so what is your point. do you have any recording of the incidence, please do share. you also should be able to explain why people are born with deformities from a biblical and creationist stance.

cloudstar:
You refused to answer my question. Are you claiming that you are all knowing? Your answer will logically decide if there is a possibility that God exists or not.

I never claimed to know all and science is an aptitude that involves constant learning and research to gain more knowledge on a subject. me not knowing simply does not imply the presence of a creator but rather a quest to answer our existence which so far evolution has proved to be outstanding. based on that reasoning, there isn't proof for god either and from the same logical reasoning, you can't eliminate evolution either.

cloudstar:
Do you have any proof of this encounter i.e. a video or audio recording?
unfortunately it was such a remote location and I had no charge on my phone. but not to worry there are other videos online of the evolving human structure and frame.

cloudstar:
From my understanding, I would say several hundreds million years
come on, you should be able to give a biblical evidence for that. I also want to know if the bible talks about the meteor which hit the earth.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 7:55am On Aug 21, 2014
cloudstar: diarra94

I haven't used the Bible to prove anything Bros, you are the one bringing it in and comparing it with evolution. I have made my stance clear - I believe in intelligent design. The evolution you have tried to market here doesn't exist outside the confines of this thread. You have proven that your evolution is based on faith which is what I wanted you to admit all along. Whether you believe in God, the Bible or taking an ape as a wife is your cup of tea. Your problem is that you have given over your common sense to the "experts" of evolution - people who will rather die than admit in creationism or an intelligent design. Images and texts aren't proof if you are claiming we originated from fish and single cell organism. Science is observing, test, reproducing such tests and confirming if they are true. All you have done is talked about theory that can't you can only prove with images - you should do better than that.
just as you have put your faith in the bible which was written by men like you and i. hello, we are on a forum, if not text and images what do you want me to use? a 3d printer?

cloudstar:
I wasn't the one that claimed the Bible was edited and updated and had many errors in them - you did.

then are you insinuating that the bible was never edited or translated and it's content is accurate. if so you should be able to give substantial evidences.

cloudstar:
I posed the challenge for you to prove it by confirming which of the earliest manuscripts where edited or updated yet you are here shying away from the challenge. It shows you know little about the subject
I never shied away from your request, I quoted a text from an archeology site but you dismissed it.

cloudstar:
The God of the Bible doesn't use artificial legs when He heals people. Apparently, you have confined God to your limited exposure of what a miracle actually is
then why have you been unable to highlight any form of miracle you have observed excluding those in the bible

cloudstar:
let us stick to the confines of logic, here goes:

1. Logically, it is impossible for you to know everything and since you don't know everything, you can't claim that there is no God
2. To rebuff the statement made in step 1; you will have to admit you know absolutely everything.

Please share your thoughts on the points raised above and we will proceed
but then from a logical stance, there isnt proof for god either. if god really created the earth I don't think the bible is necessary. from the same logical reasoning, you can't eliminate evolution either.

cloudstar:
Really, did you tell the police? What did you ask them, did you try to sleep with one of their females? grin
I told them that Jesus is their lord and personal saviour even though he never knew of the existence of subsaharan Africa. but they rather got mad and told me the story of how their ancestors evolved even showing me the skeletons of their ancestors clearly depicting the change in skull size and backbone structure. when I insisted that god created humans from clay and air without water or blood they took their weapons and chased me out.

cloudstar:
The Bible doesn’t say explicitly anywhere, "The earth is 6,000 years old". There are proponents of a young earth and proponents on an old earth theory. It boils down to a theological decision as it can't be proven historically. What you quoted above are proponents of a young earth.


then based on your understanding of the bible, how old is the earth? if you also don't mind shelling the old earth theory.

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Religion / Re: Us Journalist Beheaded Live On Tv!! by diarra94(m): 2:57am On Aug 21, 2014
ByfireByfire:
Shocking wickedness of this magnitude is displayed & you found no fault with it rather you choose to attack Jesus that is totally unconnected with it.Jesus who walked the earth doing nothing but saving lives, healing the sick,delivering the possessed,feeding the poor with fastings,lack,deep sufferings & later was murdered for doing so.

All because the atheist campaign on nairaland is all against Christ therefore every evil including the ones atheists wickedly churn out must be blamed on Christ. Shame on all of you.
do you know the number of people that were killed during the height of Christianity in Europe based on biblical teachings. if not for science introducing some intelligence to humans, I bet you same thing will still be occuring today. go figure

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Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 2:49am On Aug 21, 2014
cloudstar:


Oh you just did - you believe we came from fish. I have asked you to prove it and you showed me an image grin. Can you show us on the Island of Galapagos if any of the animals changed from one kind to another different kind i.e. from bird to alligators?

its now pretty clear you know nothing about evolution. I tried coming down to your level but its of no use to someone already brainwashed by the bible. why would they change from birds to reptiles? please go and study evolution because at this point, i understand that you have no idea of evolution but yet dismissed it. you can check out the island of Galapagos on Google and if you can explain to me how that happen, please do. I can't keep uploading images and quoting texts which you just dismiss without proof.

cloudstar:

Using wikipedia as your source of defense is at best laughable. I can go online and change the entire page. I asked you a simple question. If the early manuscripts have been altered as you suggest; can you tell us which ones, when they were altered and by whom. It is a simple question enough.
yes I knew you'll bring that up, but this is the source from which Wikipedia got the text. irr.org , if you are unreasonable enough to ask me such a question, I think its only fair for me to be also unreasonable... please can you find all the ancient manuscripts and compare its accuracy with the Bible and tell me how many times the bible was translated before it was finally translated into English.
cloudstar:
Jesus performed many miracles. Personally I have seem a crippled woman walk. I don't know if that is enough evidence of you
personally, I have also seen a crippled woman walk with artificial legs so I don't know what you mean??


cloudstar:
Your call, your choice determines my response
okay then a logical proof.

cloudstar:
Have you tried asking them? grin

they tried to kill me, so I came to you to explain that to me with your bible.
regarding your previous argument

this is a text from a christian website supporting that the earth is not more than 6,000 years old.
" The genealogy in Luke 3:23-38 goes from Jesus to Adam, a period of 4000 years showing the total age of the earth to be just over 6000 years. Young earth creationists readily accept the fact that the earth is a sphere; God “sitteth upon the circle of the
earth” (Isaiah 40.22). But they will not believe the sun orbits the
earth daily: “when the sun riseth” (2 Samuel 23:4). “the earth
abideth forever.” (Eccl 1:4) The earth is stationary in the center
of the universe. They believe one circle, but not the other." geocentricbible.com

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Religion / Re: Us Journalist Beheaded Live On Tv!! by diarra94(m): 4:15pm On Aug 20, 2014
AtheistD:

Jesus never preached violence. It is current adherents to Christianity that are to blame.
I am not just referring to the violence but also the unreasonable ideologies and information both religions convey.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 3:31pm On Aug 20, 2014
Gold45:

interesting.
so evolution moved from fish to rats.

can you point exactly to where I insinuated that?

Gold45:
How did dinosaurs become so complex while the rest of the world was still at the rat level
dinosaurs were not more complex than other animals but were much more larger. reasons for which herbivorous dinosaurs such as the diplodocus were humongous include:
1. during the Jurassic period there were abundant trees and plants and therefore a surplus source of food meant larger sizes
2. dinosaurs were cold blooded animals and therefore larger sizes had no effect on their body temperature and chemistry.
3. the fact that they laid eggs eliminated the stress of birthing large offsprings.
4. to have the edge in predation.
now, you should know evolution is driven by change, and animals like sharks, crocs and many other snakes have not evolved for up to 400 million years simply because they do not need to evolve as they have the available body parts and adaptions to exist in their environment.
mammals, being warm blooded animals, could not evolve into much larger creatures and therefore became smaller to hide from the rampant predation. FYI mammals were not the only animals during the Jurassic period as they were reptiles, birds(mostly dinosaurs), and many creatures in the ocean.

why do you keep asking me questions that you can easily find answers to on Google?
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 2:24pm On Aug 20, 2014
Cutekemitola: really? I can't just go about saying things just because I have faith....if the Holyspirit leads me,I will definitely do it...its not about exercising the faith in a negative way
don't deceive yourself, Jesus never gave any condition for this action. with so much problems in Nigeria the least you can do is destroy boko haram or the host of problems plaguing Nigeria. how can you do something negative in the name of god? is god blind or stupid?
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 1:46pm On Aug 20, 2014
Cutekemitola: yeah ofcourse I do have faith o...and a perfect reality of the Bible is Israel..and Jerusalem,you just have to read the story of Israel?
according to Mathew 21:21
" Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not
doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but
also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the
sea,' and it will be done.". in essence, according to Jesus you can do supernatural and humanly impossible actions if you have faith. if you can't do any of these, you lack faith. and without faith you will burn in hell. now I want to ask you, can you do what Jesus just mentioned above? If you can't I am sorry to tell you that god has probably enlisted your name as a fuel source for hell.
Religion / Re: Everyone Is Bound For Hell, Except...... by diarra94(m): 1:24pm On Aug 20, 2014
hahaha, Christians, funny set of people. I should tell you though you are all going to burn in hell, according to Jesus himself?
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 1:20pm On Aug 20, 2014
Cutekemitola: they r not kid stories....The work oF God cannot be understood ordinarily...but by Faith,that's why the Bible says:Faith is the sunstance of things Hoped for and the evidence of things not seen...u don't have to see it to believe whether it happened or not.....when you go from ordinary to spiritual,you will really understand the works of God....
you see every proof for the bible can only be found in the bible. lemme tell you something, if god really created the earth, he wouldn't require the bible to prove anything as the world itself would be a proof. I want to ask you this: do you have faith?
Religion / Re: Jesus Is A Liar by diarra94(m): 1:17pm On Aug 20, 2014
please don't tell me people still believe in that whole Jesus is coming bullshit... let me tell you guys even if Jesus comes today you are all going to burn in hell. this is according to the Jesus himself
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 1:03pm On Aug 20, 2014
Cutekemitola: which people? What do yuh mean?
all people who believe in the funny kid stories in the bible such as god destroying the tower of babel, Adam and Eve, how Noah successfully gathered all the animals and insects in the world into his ark, I don't know if he also carried bacteria , algae and other microorganisms. please don't deceive yourself,the same white man that brainwashed you with the bible is now throwing that idea out the window.
Religion / Re: See Why You Can't Argue With A Christian by diarra94(m): 12:48pm On Aug 20, 2014
bro... I love what you've done here. sometimes I feel it is a task for me to un-brainwash the African man because I can't believe someone who believes that god created different languages because some primitive people were trying to build a tower to the heavens will achieve any meaningful development which such limited reasoning.

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Religion / Re: Us Journalist Beheaded Live On Tv!! by diarra94(m): 12:35pm On Aug 20, 2014
its about time Jesus and Mohammed are brought to book for what they have done to earth. these two bastard have ruined our existence.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 12:20pm On Aug 20, 2014
Gold45:

Does that automatically mean they would have forced humans into extinction? Why wasn't the ancient apes or whatever mammal that existed driven into extinction?
Between, I assume you are above 18years, respond maturely, this isn't a warfare.
most mammals that existed with the dinosaurs were little rats and other primitive rodents. their relatively small size enabled them to hide and easily remain unnoticeable by the large carnivores. it was until dinosaurs were destroyed by the meteor that these smaller rodents had the whole world to themselves and evolved into the more complex mammals we have today. the dinosaurs will have led early man to extinction due to many reasons which include:

1. being primitive meant we lacked any sophisticated form of weaponry, and shelter and therefore an encounter with a dangerous animal such as a dinosaur will most likely have a fatal ending.
2. we aren't fast enough to outrun these animals
3. we were very few in number and probably hadn't established ourselves on all continents yet.
4. we would have existed in a hunter gatherer society which meant serious competition for food.
this does not mean that humans didn't stand a chance but if we were alive when the meteor hit the earth, it would have also wiped us out.
so to sum things up, the meteor that exterminated the dinosaurs actually worked in our favour.
what do you mean by acting mature? you've never been in an argument before?
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 10:31am On Aug 20, 2014
Cutekemitola: The Bible is the only Book that is always read by millions of people around the world: every day,every hour,every minute and every second.....
and that's why people who read the bible remain in thecworst possible conditions on earth.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 10:23am On Aug 20, 2014
cloudstar: cloudstar
Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha - go look up cancer of the cervix and tell us what causes it.

this is from wikipedia " Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection appears to be involved in
the development of more than 90% of cases. Most people
who have had HPV infections; however, do not develop cervical
cancer. Other risk factors include: smoking, a weak immune system , birth control pills , starting sex at a young age and having many sexual partners, but these are less important."
however this Is just one of several cancers.
"Most cancers are thought to arise from a single mutant precursor
cell. As that cell divides, the resulting 'daughter' cells may acquire
different mutations and different behaviors over a period of time.
Those cells that gain an advantage in division or resistance to cell
death will tend to take over the population. In this way, the
tumor cells are able to gain a wide range of capabilities that are
not normally seen in the healthy version of the cell type. Mutations in key regulatory genes (tumor suppressors and proto-
oncogenes) alter the behavior of cells and can potentially lead to
the unregulated growth seen in cancer.
For almost all types of cancer studied to date, it seems as if the
transition from a normal, healthy cell to a cancer cell is step-wise
progression that requires genetic changes in several different
oncogenes and tumor suppressors. This is one reason why cancer
is much more prevalent in older individuals. In order to generate a
cancer cell, a series of mutations must occur in the same cell."
culled from cancerquest.org

cloudstar:
You are speaking as if the Bible dis-agrees with proven science - where did you get that notion from?
because they completely disagree else biology would be based on god creating every single organism.The Bible confirmed the earth was round even before scientist discovered that in the 15th-17th century.

and yet prominent scientists and astronomers like Galileo were arrested for proposing the earth orbited the sun which was against the Bible's teaching of the earth being the centre of the universe.

cloudstar:
So because the Bible didn't mention the word dinosaurs then it means the Bible is not scientific correct? What if the word dinosaur didn't exist at that time? When did we discover dinosaurs fossils? Dude - you can't argue from silence. It's like me asking you "Are you sleepy?" and if you don't respond then I will conclude that you are sleepy. Always, stop insisting that science and the Bible are mutually exclusive. Something being scientific doesn't mean it is at odds with the Bible or that it is mutually exclusive.
you ignored my question " I asked you of adaptation and you mentioned the internet, is adaptation a human creation? like I said racial differences have been the root of most wars in history, if the
bible is really a form of guidance for humans don't you think
the bible would have addressed the issue of race and adaptation, the Bible's failure in doing that discredits its importance."


cloudstar: So, if I make anyone accurate scientific proof that is found in the Bible, then it makes the Bible a scientific master-price? For the last time, stop arguing from silence, it makes you look very stupi.d
yes

cloudstar:
Can you show me where in the Bible it claims that the creation of man started 6000 years ago. I really don't understand how you reason. The account of creation by the author of Genesis is as old as 6000 years - that means when Moses put pen to paper. It doesn't mean creation account of humans in the Bible is 6000 years old - do you have a brain at all? grin
then why don't you give me any biblical proof that suggests humans existed for over 250 million years.

cloudstar:
This is called a theory. If you insist we came from ape - you should be able to sleep with an ape and get an off-spring. So, the burden of proof is on you. Please don't claim it happened over 10 million years or 100 million years because you weren't there and you can't prove crap - you are displaying the very same blind faith you are accusing others off. Please take a female ape, sleep with her or perform artificial insemination and let us see if you guys will have an off-spring; that should put an end to the matter.

just as you weren't there to see god create the earth

cloudstar:
Argument of logical inconsistency. You are claiming God looks like an ape, you claim apes are are closest relatives yet you are refusing to mate with one. For your information, go look up a Liger; it's a cross between a Lion and a Tiger and yes - they have off-spring. Go figure why a horse can mate with a donkey and have a mule. Gosh, you know so little about what you are talking about.

this is a quote from bigcatrescue.org
"Since lions and tigers do not exist in the same areas, this is not
something that happens in the wild. It is done in captivity by disreputable carnies to produce a freak that ignorant people will pay to see. These cats suffer from many birth defects and usually die young. Because ligers are usually larger than either parent, it also puts the tigress at great risk in carrying the young and may require C-section deliveries or kill her in the
process."
bottom line is that its unnatural.
FYI this is possible because they are of the same family, try that with a fish and a lion. I wouldn't mate with an ape not because it is impossible but unnatural just as a gorilla wouldn't naturally mate with a chimpanzee.

cloudstar:
Again, you are showing your ignorance. In America and Western Europe; there is a big opposition to teaching creationism in higher level of learning. In as much as you will be sued and taken to court if you do. Even major scientist that take the creationist stand are ridiculed by their peers and institution, they get no grant money just because they want to stand up for what they have come to realize.
Of course, that is a reasoble step, creationism has no place in an educational institution. evolution has proven to be successful in biology and essentially all spheres of life. if you can use your creation ideologies to explain any feasible phenomenon, please the stage is yours!!

cloudstar:
Always showing your ignorance again. The dealings of pharmaceutical companies cross so many boundaries. Experimental drugs are tested on rats, monkeys, apes, criminals on death row and here in the US - paid tests subject. Whichever is more economical is what they go with.

what I was going at is the fact that testing drugs on animals to determine their effects effects on humans destroys the biblical notions that humans are unique.

cloudstar:
You still haven't answered my question, if the dinosaurs predates man - how come man was able to print and draw the dinosaurs close to 250 million years ago?

please can you upload the images of the cave paintings you are talking about?


cloudstar: Regarding the images you posted below - can you please show me proof of any of those stages as they changed. Are there any documented changes i.e. evidence of how one fish grew legs and how man came from the fish. Remember, this is science, we should be able to observe it and possibly reproduce it. I will find it sad that your only proof is a picture taken from an evolution website.

some of this creatures are extinct but their fossils were perfectly preserved. if you find that to complex for your understanding, below is an image depicting the different stages of a frog's development.

cloudstar:
You want another proof of God - go figure why telling time is based on Jesus - BC and AD - that should give you some clue

There are many religious calendars in existence, but each is
normally in use in one region of the world -- typically by
followers of a single religion. Almost all of the world's religious
calendars are based on religion, astrology, or myth:
The Baha'i calendar is based on the date that the Bab declared
that a new manifestation of God would appear.
The Creativity Movement , a racist, sexist and homophobic
religious group, bases their calendar on the date when their
religious book was published.
The Hindu calendar is based on a planetary alignment in 3102
BCE.
The Jewish calendar is based on their belief in the date of
creation.
The Mayan calendar was based on the day that they believed that
Venus was born.
The Muslim calendar is based on year of the hegira -- the flight
of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina.
this Is a quote from religioustolerance.org
The AD/BC notation was first proposed by the monk Dionysius
Exiguus (Dennis the Little) in the year 525 CE. He used it to
identify the years in the Easter tables that he prepared. He did
not use the notation to date historical events. "Dionysius implied,
but never stated, that Jesus was born 25 December 1 BC ."The
basis on which he linked the divide between BC and AD to the
birth of Jesus is unknown. There is general agreement that he
guessed incorrectly. Most theologians and religious historians
believe that Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus) was born during a Fall --
or less likely during a Spring, sometime between 7 and 4 BCE.
However, we have seen estimates as as early as the second
century BCE and as late as 4 CE. "Another calculation had been developed by the Alexandrian monk Annianus around the year AD 400, placing the Annunciation on March 25, AD 9 (Julian) -- exactly 8 years after the date that Dionysius later calculated. This Era of Incarnation was dominant in the East during the early centuries of the Byzantine Empire, and is still used today in Ethiopia, accounting for the 8 or 7-year discrepancy between the Gregorian and the Ethiopian calendar."The Anno Domini era became dominant in Western Europe only after it was used by the Venerable Bede to date the events in his Ecclesiastical History of the English People , completed in 731" CE."Even though Anno Domini was in widespread use by the ninth
century [CE] Before Christ (or its equivalent) did not become
widespread until the late fifteenth century....In 1422 [CE],
Portugal became the last country of western Europe to adopt the
Anno Domini ..." notation.

you seem to be getting pretty aggressive and insulting but I don't mind.

Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 7:41am On Aug 20, 2014
cloudstar: cloudstar
Are you deluded, did I ever claim the Bible can prove God created the universe? No one can prove creation. My stance is simple - creation as well as evolution requires faith. To say evolution is based on proven science is at best stupid and devoid of basic reasoning. If everything can't be proven by the knowledge we have now yet you still claim it is scientific, what is that called?

haha, then, you just made yourself clearer, I can't put my faith in a belief that cannot be proven. only evolution can explain the diversity of animals on the islands of Galapagos. go figure.

cloudstar:
Bros, there are over 15,000 early manuscript just for the new testament alone from different times, regions, countries and some dating back as early as the first century. If you recompile them as they are today; you will get exactly what is in the New Testament. So, if you want to show your intellectual bankruptcy on the subject; please point us to authoritative examples showing major differences and additions you are referring to.
these are quotes from wikipedia made by archeologist studying ancient manuscripts:
"Every year, several New Testament manuscripts handwritten in
the original Greek format are discovered. The latest substantial
find was in 2008, when 47 new manuscripts were discovered in
Albania ; at least 17 of them unknown to Western scholars. [5]
When comparing one manuscript to another, with the exception
of the smallest fragments, no two copies agree throughout. There has been an estimate of 400,000 variations among all these manuscripts (from the 2nd to 15th century which is more than there are words in the New Testament. Somewhere variations involve apparently intentional changes, which often make more difficult a determination of whether they were corrections from better exemplars, harmonizations between readings, or ideologically motivated.
Palaeography is the study of ancient writing, and textual criticism is the study of manuscripts in order to reconstruct a probable original text. An important issue with manuscripts is preservation."
"The earliest New Testament manuscripts were written on papyrus ,made from a reed that grew abundantly in the Egyptian Nile. Delta. This tradition continued as late as the 8th century. Papyrus eventually becomes brittle and deteriorates with age. The dry climate of Egypt allowed some papyrus manuscripts to
be partially preserved, but, with the exception of P 77, no New
Testament papyrus manuscript is complete; many consist only
of a single fragmented page."



cloudstar:
You asked for proof of events that has happened as recorded in the Bible. I provided an authoritative reference on Cyrus which you can refer to outside of the Bible. Yet you ignore that and insist on showing public display of your stupidi.ty.

I asked for any miracles or signs the bible talks about in reality or which you have observed yourself.

cloudstar:
Haba Bros - choose one na!

I gave you an open field.

cloudstar:
Please repeat the question, I lost the context.
I asked how do you explain the savages and isolated tribes of Africa and south America who have no concept of life if we came from Adam and eve?
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 7:35am On Aug 20, 2014
Gold45:

Since humans and dinosaurs never cohabited, how did man know that it's a vicious animal? I mean this animal existed millions of years before us so how did we accurately discover it's vicious and destructive character. Or are we drawing conclusions from it's size, maybe if whales, elephants and giraffes were extinct, the same would be said of them.
hey gold, sorry to burst your bubble but not all dinosaurs were carnivorous. do you think these conclusions are just made. look at the structure and dentition of a whale , an elephant and a giraffe and tell me if it is modified for hunting or tearing flesh. dinosaurs like t Rex were natural predators with huge teeth for tearing flesh and claws to grasp prey.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 4:17am On Aug 20, 2014
cloudstar: cloudstar



It is provable science. Any science that can be measured, monitored, repeated should be endorse by anyone. Any science which can't should be done away with. Evolution at best is crap - how can you prove that we came from fish? In what way can you monitor that or observe it?
the same way you can't find evidences for creation except in the bible. of course not everything in science can be proven with the knowledge available but that doesn't mean its not true. afterall the earth was thought to be in the centre of the universe or even flat until scientist in the past centuries disproved that idea.

cloudstar:
Which are you claiming has been changed, the Bible or the early manuscripts that predates the Bible?

the bible itself is made up of all those manuscripts which were written in ancient calligraphy and on poor paper such that people trying to interprete the writings had troubles understanding and translating the words. some kings and monarchs even changed complete books or chapters to favour their ideas.

cloudstar:
At this point, it's clear that you haven't studied the Bible. Let's give you some Bible Study grin

1. The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.

2. The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24). This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.

I will leave you to ponder over those two.
just as I said, the bible can only be proved by the rubbish it contains. After all these, Hitler murdered over 6 million jews like it was a walk in the park. a holocaust survivor was interviewed and he said many people prayed to god before being thrown into the gas chambers. after finally realising that that there was no way out and this was the end, they cried "there is no god".

cloudstar:
This depends on your idea of proof. Are you asking for a physical proof or a logical proof?
any please if you may?
cloudstar:
Why is this question necessary again?
I just need you to answer the question.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 3:39am On Aug 20, 2014
cloudstar: diarra94



Are you high - the Bible doesn't talk about so many things either. The Bible doesn't talk about the Internet but we use Internet, it doesn't talk about driving a car either. Science has nothing to do with evolution you baboon - evolution is totally based on faith



Stupidi.ty must be rampant where you come from. How does cancer have anything to do with humans mutating? Go back to your basic traceable and provable science. Cancer is caused by viruses and we all KNOW THAT VIRUSES ARE NON LIVING ORGANISMS. They only survive in hosts but other than that, they can't live. Mutations have no bearing in cancer or in humans



I didn't disagree with this statement. I concur that our environments make us to adapt in different ways. However, if a man lived close to the water for a prolong time - HE WILL NOT TURN INTO A FISH. If you are stating he will; please produce a traceable case study.



Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha. Your problem is that you blindly follow the so called "scientific experts" without doing any objective research or ask probing questions. If dinosaurs predates man, how do you explain the "human-like footprints" embedded in 250-million-year-old coal veins in Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, and westward toward the Rocky Mountains?

Here is another one for you - How does scientists explain the presence of an antiquated dinosaur petroglyph at the base of Kachina Bridge in southeast Utah? According to the theory of evolution, humans never lived with dinosaurs. But if humans never saw living dinosaurs, how did the Anasazis, who inhabited southeastern Utah long before dinosaur fossils were found in modern times, carve such an accurate picture of a dinosaur onto the side of a rock wall? - Go crack that nut before you tell me about the crap you read and listen to by evolutionist.



Let me give you a piece of advice. In an open forum when you are debating someone, you don't argue from silence. The Bible mentioned clean and unclean animals that went into the ark. It never mentioned animals by name nor did it describe the animal based on their height of eating habits.



Oh yeah - then take an ape for your wife and let us see what your kids will look like grin



How would you care? You can't prove one single thing you claim yet you are 100% sure that the alternatives are wrong. As a scientist, if there ia a better explanation to the creation of our world, our universe, us - I am all for it. However, evolution doesn't come close.
I am sorry but arguing with you is of no profit to me. I can't believe you just said cancer is a viral disease , you better log off NL and go learn more about cancer. your arguments are solely based on science and even the dates provided by archeologist but you're trying to disprove science . I asked you of adaptation and you mentioned the internet, is adaptation a human creation? like I said racial differences have been the root of most wars in history, if the bible is really a form of guidance for humans don't you think the bible would have addressed the issue of race and adaptation, the Bible's failure in doing that discredits its importance. you see if you claim humans were in existence 250 million years you have automatically disproved the bible which doesn't account for humans existing over 6000 years ago. a DNA sequence between the DNA if a man and that of a monkey showed very little variations in what we call switches. people find it offensive that we came from apes but if god really created humans why do humans still have ape features . every part of our body seems to be an modification of the apes body form. if god really created man in his image, then god himself must look like an ape . I wouldn't take an ape as a wife just as a lion wouldn't mate with a cheetah and a tilapia wouldn't mate a catfish even though they're of thesame family . your arguments wouldn't change the fact that evolution rather than creation is used in all forms of biology which clearly evident, has been very successful. if god really made man unique, why do we test drugs and many other science experiments on apes before concluding if it safe for human use.

Science/Technology / Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by diarra94(m): 4:33am On Aug 19, 2014
[quote author=Royalprestidge][/quote]if god relates to them accordingly then why did you drop your ancestral ways for Christianity.
Science/Technology / Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by diarra94(m): 10:44pm On Aug 18, 2014
bushdoc9919:

Actually wrong.

1.Gallleo did not originally propose the earth orbited the sun....it was Nicholas Copernicus and prior to him several other scientists who made the original proposition. Even then his theory was not fully correct....and was eventually cleared up by a later scientist.

2.Gallileo was opposed by the Church, and by the Scientists of the day on scientific grounds....the prevailing scientific paradigm on the cosmos was derived from Aristotle....and the theory that the earth went round the sun was considered a flawed and un-proven theory.

3.Gallileo got into trouble because he then went on to attempt to interpret certain Biblical verses in the light of his discovery...which was frowned upon by the Church....and also because he inadvertedly insulted the then Pope in one of his books.

4.Gallileo was punished....with comfortable house arrest....and was not sent to a dungeon....and died in his house.

I never said Galileo was the first to propose the earth's orbit around the sun. but he developed the first telescope and therefore studied the night sky before he supported heliocentrism. the church back then only stood in favor of geocentrism or the tychonic system and therefore Galileo's assertions were disposed.
this is a quote from Wikipedia " The matter was investigated by
the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that
heliocentrism was false and contrary to scripture, placing works
advocating the Copernican system on the index of banned
books and forbidding Galileo from advocating heliocentrism". this led Galileo to write one of his books titled "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems" in which he tried to defend his stance. Galileo was sentenced of heresy as this quote from history.com shows "
This time, Galileo's technical argument didn't win the day. On
June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order:
Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei, of
Florence, aged seventy years, were denounced in 1615, to this
Holy Office, for holding as true a false doctrine taught by many,
namely, that the sun is immovable in the center of the world,
and that the earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; also,
for having pupils whom you instructed in the same opinions;
also, for answering the objections which were continually
produced from the Holy Scriptures, by glozing the said Scriptures
according to your own meaning; and whereas thereupon was
produced the copy of a writing, in form of a letter professedly
written by you to a person formerly your pupil, in which,
following the hypothesis of Copernicus, you include several
propositions contrary to the true sense and authority of the Holy
Scriptures; therefore (this Holy Tribunal being desirous of
providing against the disorder and mischief which were thence
proceeding and increasing to the detriment of the Holy Faith) by
the desire of his Holiness and the Most Eminent Lords,
Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two
propositions of the stability of the sun, and the motion of the
earth, were qualified by the Theological Qualifiers as follows:
1. The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and
immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and
formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy
Scriptures.
2. The proposition that the earth is not the center of the world,
nor immovable, but that it moves, and also with a diurnal action,
is also absurd, philosophically false, and, theologically
considered, at least erroneous in faith.
Therefore . . . , invoking the most holy name of our Lord Jesus
Christ and of His Most Glorious Mother Mary, We pronounce
this Our final sentence: We pronounce, judge, and declare, that
you, the said Galileo . . . have rendered yourself vehemently
suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having
believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to
the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the
world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the
earth does move, and is not the center of the world; also, that
an opinion can be held and supported as probable, after it has
been declared and finally decreed contrary to the Holy Scripture,
and, consequently, that you have incurred all the censures and
penalties enjoined and promulgated in the sacred canons and
other general and particular constituents against delinquents of
this description. From which it is Our pleasure that you be
absolved, provided that with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith,
in Our presence, you abjure, curse, and detest, the said error
and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the
Catholic and Apostolic Church of Rome.
Along with the order came the following penalty: "We order that
by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be
prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy
Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance
We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt
recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms."
Galileo agreed not to teach the heresy anymore and spent the
rest of his life under house arrest. It took more than 300 years
for the Church to admit that Galileo was right and to clear his
name of heresy." lastly , I never said he was given a cruel trial or prison sentence.
Science/Technology / Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by diarra94(m): 12:19pm On Aug 18, 2014
Royalprestidge: Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Science will always be confronted with puzzles, those puzzles are evidence that God rules the universe. Any prophet Isaiah in Book said 'God sits on the circle of earth' , this tells us that earth is spherical even before scientist said it.
a puzzle doesn't mean the mechanics of a system is not studyable or incomprehensible but the amount of information and knowledge available cannot properly explain it. after all we have been solving puzzles throughout our existence. today we all profit from the many puzzles solved by science such as being able to treat diseases. unimaginable numbers of humans died during the peak of the religious era but until science came into the picture religion was completely useless against all the numerous challenges faced by this people. our ancestors lived life before the missionaries... explain that??
Science/Technology / Re: 11 Things That NASA Discovered About The Moon That You Never Knew by diarra94(m): 12:08pm On Aug 18, 2014
Tonylyte:
Stop deceiving people, the bible was the first to say the earth is spherical(circular) and hangeth on nothing. After all scientific proofs to render the biblical account invalid, they came back to agree with the bible...
show me where the bible said that. Galileo Galilei's life was in danger from the priest an church community because he proposed that the earth orbited the sun. you are actually the one deceiving yourself, you believe in a deity which was forcefully incorporated into your brain which your ancestors existed happily without.
Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 12:54am On Aug 18, 2014
cloudstar: diarra94



Bros - you are hear calling others stupid for having faith in God yet you are the one that can't prove evolution but "believe" in the "million of years" crap that can't be proven scientifically or historically. I wonder who has blind faith



Malu - adaptation is different from evolution. Africans have adapted to their environment, we are used to the heat, the malaria the environment. The same way Icelanders and Russians are used to the cold. If an African goes to Iceland, he doesn't become big-foot; he doesn't "mutate", he adapts to his environments. We are made of different kinds, humans are their own kind, fish their own kind and apparently idiots of their own kind grin



Did the Bible talk about the Internet, did the Bible speak about Chiwawas either? Bros - put these in perspective. Here is a summary on your race question:

Some have wondered, if we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, why are there so many races? The Bible informed us 2,000 years ago that God has made all nations from "one blood." We are all of the same race—the "human race," descendants of Adam and Eve, something science is slowly coming to realize.

Reuters news service reported the following article by Maggie Fox: Science may have caught up with the Bible, which says that Adam and Eve are the ancestors of all humans alive today. Peter Underhill of Stanford University in California remarked on findings published in the November 2000 issue of the journal Nature Genetics . . . Geneticists have long agreed there is no genetic basis to race—only to ethnic and geographic groups. "People look at a very conspicuous trait like skin color and they say, ‘Well, this person’s so different’ ...but that’s only skin deep," Underhill said. "When you look at the level of the Y chromosome you find that, gee, there is very little difference between them. And skin color differences are strictly a consequence of climate."


GO FIGURE
you are completely using science to prove your assertions. bible doesn't fhucking talk about adapting to our environment?? don't say that's irrelevant because most problems in history are based on race. wow you just made a statement out of your own will, how can you say humans dont mutate?? explain cancer to me then. if we humans stay in our respective environments for more prolonged periods of time, there will be more apparent differences between us. I asked you about dinosaurs to test your level of intelligence but it turns out its not that great. dinosaurs existed everywhere on earth and being such vicious and large carnivores, primitive humans stood no chance against them. they would have devoured humans to extinction. the bible mentioned many animals which were much less threats but not once was the dinosaur described. explain how such a prominent animal was ignored in the flawed bible. just as there is very little genetic difference between humans and apes. of course there will be only physical difference between humans or were you expecting our genetic composition to change due to a hundred years of isolation on different continents. I don't care about a report by Reuters , so does one man's flawed understanding of the human genome have to be used to disprove proven facts. honestly people like you who feel they know everything even without proof are the cause of Africa's stagnant development.

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Religion / Re: Interesting Facts About The Bible!!! » » » by diarra94(m): 11:55pm On Aug 17, 2014
cloudstar: diarra94

You are missing my point. I wasn't claiming his theory can't be proven. I was stating we don't need to physically see the man to believe in his work. I never met him and I shouldn't have to meet him to know that his work pioneer modern day physics. I never met the founding founders of America but I believe they drew up and wrote the constitution of the US because I can trace the evidence and historical record to prove they did. I never met Matthew, Mark, Luke and John but we have their earliest manuscripts that predates the compilation of the Bible and gave their accounts of Jesus, what He did and who He was. That is not fable, that is history


You have proven my point - it is invisible yet we still believe in it - that was ll I was trying to pass across.



All your questions doesn't negate what we have today Bros. It's your personal opinion to believe what you want to believe and what you don't want to believe. However, to claim what others believe are fables without providing authoritative sources is at best laughable
look, if einsteins theory wasn't practical I wouldn't have cared about him or his work. but when you talk about the Bible, a book that has been rewritten by so many different writers who have altered and changed so many times due to the fact that the writers had little understanding of the language or the manuscripts were old and the writings were hard to read. some even changed the words in the manuscripts to suite their personal needs. here's a question for you, have you seen the bible doing any of what it claims to do? yet you seem to blindly accept it. everything in the world disproves the existence of god. why don't you give me a single non biblical proof of God's existence. you also haven't answered my question, how do you explain the existence of savages in most part of the world before colonialism.

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