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Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 9:06pm On Nov 12, 2013
^^^ shocked
Jesus offered himself?!?
do you even read the bible at all?
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 6:07pm On Nov 12, 2013
Emusan:
This is part of what I'm saying when I said Muhammed never had the full knowledge of the scriptures...

Muhammad (pbuh) didn't write Jeremiah 8:8.

and Jeremiah didn't say "lying tongues" he said "lying PENS"


Emusan:
When was the book of Jeremiah written?

am I your bible studies teacher now?

Emusan: ...some people later brought about 14 books called Apocalyphat which were claimed to been written about 350 BC of which the Jews themselves publicaly declared that no voice of a Prophet was heard in Isreal but some still went aheard to insert some of those book in their Bible.

shocked so you are saying the bible has been corrupted! I rest my case.

Emusan:
You are right but look at those versions with their motive of removing those verses.

if those verses were the word of God what gives them the right to delete? but if they discovered the verses were not, then you agree bible gas been corrupted.





when are going to get back to fully addressing my initial query?
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 4:01pm On Nov 12, 2013
Emusan:

When was Isaiah said the scriptures are begin to corrupt? I mean the time it started to corrupt.
-sorry, I meant Jeremiah. jer. 8:8-
"How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?"
(New Living Translation)
and from his day to the present there's no reason to believe the corruption has stopped.

-today the roman catholic bible has 73 books while the protestants' has only 66 books! so did the catholics corrupt the bible by adding or have the protestants corrupted the bible by removing?

-you also have various versions of the bible adding/removing verses here and there
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 9:30am On Nov 12, 2013
F00028: ^^^ shocked
it was a simple specific question about Jesus' status and mission but you gone into a tirade about Muhammad.

can you not defend your claim beyond making vague references?

and as for your Bible, the Prophet Isaiah says your scriptures are corrupt
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 9:18am On Nov 12, 2013
^^^ shocked
it was a simple specific question about Jesus' status and mission but you gone into a tirade about Muhammad.

can you not defend your claim beyond making vague references?

and as for your Bible, the Prophet Isaiah says your scriptures are corrupt
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 5:31pm On Nov 11, 2013
Emusan:
If Jesus didn't make such claim how will He fulfil the prophecy of Old Testament?
then first things first. let's have it.
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 3:57pm On Nov 11, 2013
Emusan:
He even revealed it thousand years ago before He was born through His holy prophets.

my question was did he HIMSELF make the claim?
but if your answer is 'no' and all you have are the words of other people, then let's have it.

Emusan:
I wonder what the word [size=14pt]GOSPEL[/size] is looking for in the Qur'an.
Do much research on this word

the word in the Qur'an is "injeel" (translated: gospel) and it is specifically God's revelations to Jesus Christ i.e "the gospel of Jesus" and NOT the gospel ACCORDING to mathew or luke etc.


Emusan:
The funny part is that Muhammad never knows Bible before He composed his book.
He made mistake about Psalm, Trinity, the Death of Jesus e.t.c
really? you know this how?
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 3:36pm On Nov 11, 2013
udatso:
... I will summarize this in just 3 parts. 1. man is not born in sin. 2.God does not require av price to forgive the sinner 3.the idea of substitutionary or vicarious sacrifice is unjust and cruel
an All Loving, All Powerful God can just easily forgive

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Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 1:54pm On Nov 11, 2013
Macelliot:
Jesus christ is GOD THE SON. He died for the sins of the whole world...
is that what the man himself claimed or what you ascribe to him?
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 1:51pm On Nov 11, 2013
Macelliot: I can't explain either. But what I know is that, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the father, except through him.
if that's so, then where was Moses leading all those people?
Religion / Re: If Jesus Is The Only Way To Heaven, Can Muslim Ever Make Heaven by F00028: 12:38pm On Nov 11, 2013
@op
that's because muslims don't serve Muhammad (saw). they serve the One, True, Eternal, Absolute God. He does not beget, was not begotten and there's nothing like Him.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by F00028: 2:46pm On Nov 10, 2013
tpia@:

Muslims'best example, was monogamous before he became polygaous though.
exactly!
Islam for Muslims / Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by F00028: 7:14am On Nov 10, 2013
tpia@:

In nigeria especially, most imams are polygamous and this is seen as a requirement of their deen, anything else would look strange because polygamy is ingrained in the culture...
polygamy is not just ingrained in the culture, its ingrained in the religion. its enjoined by God. Muslims know because their best example (pbuh) was polygamous and so were his companions (r.a). right now I can only think of a couple of them that were monogamous.


that stipulation in the ad was misguided. and following it up with " she must be pretty" only compounded the problem. what's "pretty" is a pretty subjective evaluation.

and stipulating imams should only marry beautiful women will open a door to whole different kind of fitna.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Why Are Women Not Fit To Be Leaders? by F00028: 6:42am On Nov 10, 2013
@op
your answer is in: 1st Timothy Chapter 2 verse 12.
"But I permit not a woman to teach.
Nor to have authority over the man.
But to be in silence."

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Islam for Muslims / Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by F00028: 2:32pm On Nov 06, 2013
@sino
it's not even compulsory to get married at all
...but if you are gonna marry then look to the life of your Prophet [pbuh] and his companions and see how they practiced that ayah. that's your best exegesis.
Islam for Muslims / Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by F00028: 10:21am On Nov 06, 2013
you guys need to go read the verse again!

marrying one wife is the exception, not the rule. an exception for those who are incapable if doing justice. so sticking to one wife for those who able is not really a good quality for an imam.
Islam for Muslims / Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by F00028: 8:43pm On Nov 05, 2013
tpia@:


turkey generally does not espouse polygamy.
16th century Turkey? you're sure?
Islam for Muslims / Re: 16th Century Ottoman Ad For An Imam Vacancy by F00028: 8:40pm On Nov 05, 2013
"He must be married with a maximum of
one wife who must be very pretty and
beautiful (to ensure he doesn't look at
other women)."


that's funny!

if he only has one wife how's he gonna advise polygamous men on wives' issues?

and how's the panel gonna know how "pretty and beautiful" she is?
besides, a pretty woman isn't really what keeps a man from straying.

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Islam for Muslims / Re: Britain Set To Become The First Non-muslim Country To Launch Sharia Bond by F00028: 8:34am On Nov 01, 2013
golpen:

They will never do it for the sake of other sects if they don't stand to gain. Not even when the implementation doesn't affect them in any way. An example is hijab. Imagine this same britain are planning to ban the use and want to benefit from the islamic business system.

britain: don't like muslim dress, love muslim money.
smiley go figure
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quran And Divorce. by F00028: 12:08pm On Oct 29, 2013
Princephelar: I guess you skipped those three questions and pls correct me since that's not true

I dont need to skip anything. you made a false claim...unless of course you substantiate it.
Islam for Muslims / Re: Quran And Divorce. by F00028: 9:42am On Oct 29, 2013
first of all, this is not true:
Princephelar: ..If you take a statistics of single christian mothers in nigeria,almost 70% of them will share this story.
Crime / Re: 16-yr-old Mother Of 2 Stabs Husband To Death by F00028: 7:17am On Oct 21, 2013
vivian francis: good 4 men who love marrying infant as wife

"underaged" girls are killers? undecided
Crime / Re: 16-yr-old Mother Of 2 Stabs Husband To Death by F00028: 7:17am On Oct 21, 2013
vivian francis: good 4 men who love marrying infant as wife

"underaged" girls are killers? undecided
Religion / Re: Not By Works, But By Grace by F00028: 1:13pm On Oct 19, 2013
@OP

how do you reconcile all that with this:
Deuteronomy 24:16 (International Standard Version):
"Fathers must not be put to death on account of their children's sin; nor shall,children die,on account of their fathers' sin. Each person is to be put to death for his own sin."

isn't Adam's "disobedience" justifiably his own to bear?
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 1:08pm On Oct 15, 2013
italo: [quote author=italo]

Oh! Thank God you believe Isaiah...

I believe he says your scripture is corrupted.

italo:
Is. 9:6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace....

A wonderful counselor does not advise his
followers that if they have faith they can be
agents of destruction (Matthew 21:19-21;
Mark 11:14, 20-23).

A mighty God does not take orders from anyone (Luke2:51, Hebrews 5:8 ), for no one is greater than he is (Matthew 12:31-32; John 5:30, 14:28). Moreover, he does not ask or need to be saved by anyone (Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42), for he cannot die by any means
(Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46,
John 19:30).

He who is called the Son of God the Father (John 1:18, 3:16) cannot himself be called everlasting Father. One cannot play simultaneously the role of the son and,the Father; it is an obvious self- contradiction.

He who advocates family strife (Matthew 10:34-35, Luke 12:49-53) and killing enemies (Luke 19:27) cannot be called a ruler of peace.
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 10:19pm On Oct 11, 2013
realtem: did you bother to read the one i posted up there in reply to your question. I think that really settles everything
I did. and I wonder how knowing what you know you still went ahead and posted that craftily structured misleading OP.
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 6:57pm On Oct 11, 2013
realtem: He's just picking verses out of context

u expose yourself.

here's your context:
" Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly
violent.
Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and makes war “with justice” (v. 11).
It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18).
He has no compassion upon His enemies, whom He will conquer completely and consign to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20).

It is an error to say that God never supports a
war. Jesus is not a pacifist."

source:http://www.gotquestions.org/war-Bible.html
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 1:55pm On Oct 11, 2013
italo:

Many places!

But when I show you, you will come up with the old lame excuse: "the Bible Mohammed told us to believe in has been corrupted."

When asked to produce the unadulterated one that Mohammed had in his bedroom, you wont be able to.

Why then do you ask me to show you where Jesus claimed to be God when you have made up your mind that you will reject it by any trick possible.


now who's making excuses? wink
if you dont have it just be honest and say so.

and as for your original bible, the prophet Isaiah says the scriptures have long been corrupted so ask him where it is.
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 11:43am On Oct 11, 2013
@realtem
and biblical Jesus' second coming is going to be bloodier and far more destructive.

Jesus will “judge and wage war” (Rev. 19:11), his robe will be “dipped in blood” (19:13), and he will be accompanied by “armies” (19:14) with which he will “strike down the nations” (19:15), including “the Gentiles” in, general and “the nations that were opposed to him” in specific. This will result in the “utter destruction of all his enemies”. Furthermore: “in his second coming[,] he will complete their,destruction, when he shall put down all opposing rule, principality, and power.”

Once he conquers the infidels, Jesus “will rule
them with an iron rod” (19:15).
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 11:35am On Oct 11, 2013
italo: Please, stop comparing Jesus with Mohammed.

One claimed to be God...

where did Jesus Christ, the son of Mary ever claim to be God? undecided
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 10:09am On Oct 11, 2013
Samboot: there's another thing common to the muslims, I don't know whether anyone else has noticed that, if U avn't, then start to take note frm today.. Wen U pple are talk'n abt trinnity the question they always ask is, ''TELL US WHERE JESUS SAID IN THE BIBLE THAT I AM GOD, WORSHIP ME'' have U noticed that too..


that should be your concern as well.
something as fundamental to your faith as the the "trinity", and Jesus Christ never taught it?! shocked
Religion / Re: Comparing Jesus And Muhammed by F00028: 10:03pm On Oct 10, 2013
realtem: lack of knowledge destroys.
as it is doing to you...

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