davidylan:

I dont consider the bible a comedy book, i consider it a matter of life and death so i read it.

Obviously you must have a boring life to dwell on such a book for too long. Arent there other serious books or newspapers you could read? Just wondering.

i never said it was boring, are you kidding me? its classic comedy, i trying to figure out which part of it cracks me up the most, is it the delude abraham guy trying to slaughter his son because he heard voices telling him to do so OR is it the guy who banged his mother so that he can give birth to himself after which he can commit suicide , !!! this jokes never get old !!!am loving every second of them!!!!
are they boring to u?

davidylan:

which is why i wonder why you bother to read them in the first place. I dont read comedy books and spend half my life commenting on them if i see no sense in therein.

come on how can you say you dont read comedy books, when you obviously read the bible day in day out.

davidylan:

those complaining are the few who manage to open the threads. For the most part i just ignore them and i expect others to do so too.

When intelligent folks are interested in a serious discussion on the validity of the bible, they come with facts not juvenile propaganda. And the atheist wonders why we dont take him seriously.

The essence of a lot of the atheistic posts i see here is NOT to engender serious debate but to deliberately rile other people up. Dont fall for the bait . . . if they had a more sensible reason for their disbelief in God they would put in better perspective.

there is no sense in your holy books, only comedy, so why should we take them seriously??

toba:

dnt get scared.Be brave afterall man must end up some where after death.Im sure u re bracing up 4 some hot weather in hell,be a man my g1&go into hell straight.Cheers

dont worry i have sent jesus and Mo there to build an air conditioning system for me, so dont worry bout the heat

manmustwac:

As a mod i do find some of his topics offensive and would have locked them if there were many complaints

hey mod chill out, aint nothing wrong with a little fun every now and then

toba:

d harvest place 4pple like u is hell,where it will be too late 4u 2 correct your errors in lid.
D story book is very interesting&inspiring

oh the same old threat of the imaginary ball of fire! ohhhhhhhh am so scared now

toba:

Whatever a man sows same he shall reap Gal6:7, let d pests grow with d seed on d harvest day we shall separate them.Nl is not d harvest place,rather d platantation place

harvest ko harvest ni? where is this imaginary harvest place? and why do you like quoting story books (Gal6:7)?

Nezan:

I have read two threads created by a deluded wannabe atheist who goes by the id- g1, and found them highly offensive to the sensibilities of both Christians and Muslims and wish for him to be banned on this section.

The offending threads are:

Was Jesus Gay? And was Mohammed A s-e-x maniac?

A love story between Jesus and Moh'd: Part 1

What do you think?

LMAO, LWKMD!!!!Go and create your own forum

saharachic:

You guys are just blaming the police. But what about the dead victim, what if he had restrained, his life would have been saved. wasnt that the right time for him to go call the police or vigilantes to handle the boys than taking it upon himself? didnt he trust his wife? wasnt it a party? would they go to a party like that and they would not dance? they would have known better.

you are very heartless

This is soooo sad, i can never forget his name from AIT news reports.
and the stupid police officers arrested his brother that was trying to help him if it is to arrest goat now they know how to but when it comes to protecting human life they are clueless. Useless bastards (police) .

i hope his family are able to find peace and strenght to move on!!

Hopefully in a brothel with Jesus and Mohammed chilling with enough ashewos

Hi huxley how u dey? please holla at me through my email, lets holla

JeSoul:

^^lol. See! I knew you had it in you all along . . .  

okay if you say so!! we will live to see if you are right that i have god in me!!!! but like i said before i dont think so

JeSoul:

Cosmic space daddy or not, as long as you realize you and I are both accepting an explanation based on faith. Whether or not yours has more "plausibility" is of little import. You cannot prove something you've accepted - that is faith my G, faith 

YES MA

mazaje:

Could it be that the stories about the miracles of Jesus were mere stories?

TRIPLE GBAM!!!

JeSoul:

lol . . . men I don't want to do "creation vs. evolution" but G1, you do realize the "Big bang" is still just a theory? and you accepting it as truth places you firmly in the category as those operating by "faith"?

LMAO just a theory? where have i heard that before? it definately has more evidence supporting it than the idea that a cosmic space daddy magically puffed us into being

JeSoul:

    You familiar with Occam's razor? states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one?

That no statistical model makes every the slightest of room for the massive coincidence that is the earth and the universe - points to the simplest explanation, that it is not a coincidence.
   

oh please the same old argument from irreducible complexity!!!
lets say i am about to roll about 25 dice, what are the odds of me getting sixes on about 80% of them? you would say highly unlikely, but that does not mean it cant happen
and if it happens the fact that it will be highly improbably for it to happen again does not deny the fact that it did happen.
in our volatile and ever expanding universe it just so happens that earth happened to end up in the position it is today after the big bang. The earth's position, size and components just happened to be conducive for it to allow life as we know it today to blossom. and the other planets unfortunately happened to have ended up in the wrong position, (as far as they are concerned they ended up in a good position)
and what perfect design are you talking about? birth defects, conjoined twins, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, fragile survival machines(human bodies) that are nothing more than gene transporting mediums etc!!! you call these perfect design? if anything this proves a very bad designer (god) not one who seems to know what he is doing

JeSoul:

   
No problem and thank you too for being kind enough to indulge my interrogation 

you are always welcome sis

davidylan:

Quite funny.
Its ok that "reality" (whatever that is) is unbelievable but[b] its sacrilegious that God[/b] can dare to exist. The confusion in the ranks of atheism is truly a joke.

i dont see where i said it is sacrilegiuos that people believe god exists. talking about confusion in ones ranks this is coming from one with a religion of a million and one branches, from anglican to catholic, from evangelical to protestant my friend you are the one who must be joking

this people should better stop wasting out money on fruitles journeys to saudi!!! yaradua is sick and cant govern us, is better we move on and allow the poor man to get better health care in peace so that he can also move on with his life!!

how many times are they going to send someone to saudi?

JeSoul:

  well, I for the life of me cannot see how all of this can simply be dismissed as a perfect coincidence of massive, incredible proportions that even every statistical measurement we have now could not make room for the possibility of.

well if you cant, i definately can see it happening, i think sometimes reality is just too unbelievable at times for some to accept

JeSoul:

Well, I have no response to this other than  . No one has ever reached a point where it was impossible to return to faith.

Jesoul trust me i have been through identical discussions with christians and muslims before, the fact is we will never agree on somethings, with i being an atheist and you being a theist we will always look at things from two differnt angles.
so i guess we agree to disagree

i wish you christians and muslims a pleasant and happy life with your jesus and mohammed!!!
as for me am good without them.

its alwaya nice having a decent conversation with you without us insulting and blasting each other, wish all theists were like you. You come across as a very humble person

JeSoul:

  Thanks, your point is definitely across now . Forget the supernatural for now. Do you have any theories as to how the universe, as incredibly complex and fragile as it is, and the earth perfect in circumstance from gravity, to the balance at just the right angle and composed of just the right among of just the right gases etc came about?

i know we humans are compelled to think that the universe was designed with us in mind but i do have a good knowledge of cosmology and astronomy and believe you me i dont think it was designed with us in mind, in the words of carl sagan "we live in a pale blue dot in space" it just so happens that a tiny point of this vast universe generated the right conditions to allow life as we know it today to evolve and blossom. outside of this pale blue dot we live in is total chaos in this vast universe that we will never be able to know its size. massive gigatic balls of gas (stars) are constantly exploding, fragments of massive rocks are constantly smashing into each other etc.!!!i guess its another case of two of us looking at the same thing and reaching different conclusions.!!!

JeSoul:
 

 I look at it this way, why certain things happen or don't happen, I don't know and honestly don't care to know. I place my life in God's hands - good and bad can come from Him - I mean look no further than the scriptures to see this. But in all things, as the scriptures teach, He does everything to bring honor to His name and bring about good in my life - my life which will extend far beyond after I have passed away - this is real hope the bible teaches about. Not out momentary sojourn here on earth.

if you can reach this conclusions from the divine scriptures fine! as for me i just cant, i find more peace knowing that my life aint in anyones hands and that no one is watching over me

JeSoul:


 The age old problem of evil.

 See it this way, if God's intention was to create a perfect world, then there would be no such thing as freewill. The same freewill that affords you the opportunity to think and reason and even question His existence. God isn't thanked when good results from our freewill (love, charity, sacrifice etc) but He is blamed when evil results from it?

well i dont deny the good things that religion does such as charity but i dont think it is exclusive to religion, i did a lot of charity when i was a muslim and i still do!!! i dont have to believe there is a god giving me heaven points in order for me to give charity rather i do it because i feel the pain of my fellow human being and thus make an effort to relieve him/her of that pain
as for the evil that results from god's free will i just cant see why that much suffering and pain is needed in order for him to prove a point!!

JeSoul:

Yeah we all see things very differently indeed. And even in our differences, I believe there's still a common thread that runs through us all - and that is the inherent knowledge or "feeling" if you will, of a God. I think once people get older and more frustrated at the world, they channel that anger into dismissing the possibility of God, rationalizing He cannot exist if all this evil does.

i am not angry at god/religion, like i said my worldview just happened to be the way it is!!!any atheist out there will tell you that they didnt chose not to believe, its a gradual process before you finally get to a state of non beleif. and as for me i find peace, happiness and humilty in my personal state of non belief!

JeSoul:
 
I cannot tell you how much this saddens me to hear, and I only hope and pray you will have a change of heart.

i know how you feel sis, when i used to be a believer i used to feel pity and sad for atheists too!! and i used to pray for them!! i used to ask myself how come they cant feel the beauty of belief in god
when a friend of mine found out i was an atheist she was almost in tears telling me that she will pray for me and that i should please give god a chance because she cant live with the thought of me in hell, in order not for me to cause her more emotional pain i had to later lie that i have gone back to believing in god.

Like i said for me i have reached a point of no return. i just cant see myself believing again. I am comfortable with my position as a non believer and I am ready for the consequences if there are any!!!

JeSoul:

   I wasn't really asking if you hate religion - forgive me if that's how it came across. I'm asking about how and more importantly why you've come to believe God does not exist. Is it because of the failings of the religions you see around? or something else?

well i hope i can summarize this and still get my point across,
i see no reason to believe in the supernatural, the universe i see around me behaves in exactly the same way i expect it to behave if there were no supernatural divine elements guiding it. Let me give a couple of examples:

prayer for example, if one prays and get his prayer answered then "god has answered his prayer" and if he does not get his wish then "god is testing him or the devil is preventing him to get his wish etc". there is no difference of results between people that pray and those who dont

look at the problem of suffering and evil also, right now as we speak there is a child dying of hunger somewhere or a girl being molested and a so called god is watching and letting it happen due to his so called divine free will and divine plan. i look at things like this and i see a sadistic being.
if your house was burning and your child was inside and a firefighter arrived but refused to save your daughter despite him having the power and opportunity to do so, and after you asked why he didnt help he tells you that its his will and there is a greater plan that you cannot understand!!! what will you think of such a person?

like you said in one of your posts on a different thread that people can look at the same thing and reach different conclusions, while you look at the world around you and see gods hand in everything, myself on the other hand see no reason to believe there is a god pulling the strings.

finally i cant tell anyone if there is a god or not but even if he does exist, he does not impress me and i do not want anything to do with him, and if that means eternal damnation after i die then i will rightly take my place amongst the other godless ones

JeSoul:

  Permit me to ask a question my brotha, are you an atheist because you hate religion/s in their current form? What is your rationale for your belief?

hey jesoul good to hear from you again,
firstly i wont agree with your use of the word belief!!! if atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
secondly, on your question about whether i hate religion, my answer is NO, i dont have a problem with religion as long as religion does not try to enforce its beliefs and morals on me, like i have mentioned before my family is composed of christiens and muslims whom i love dearly.
I just cant bring myself to believe in angels and demons, heavens and hells, virgin births, resurrections and other supernatural stuff,!!! but if other people have no problem believing in them then thats good for them and fine by me!!!
hope i answered your question sis?

god wins this one hands down.!!!god makes hitler look like a saint when it comes to genocide!!!

@topic/poster no you dont have to tolerate anyone who holds a different worldview from yours idiot!!!!so pick up a gun and shoot people that wear a different colour of clothes from yours also remember to kill all the people that are of a different profession from yours, finally if you are male then dont forget to slaughter all females for daring to be a different gender than yours and viceversa

JeSoul:

 G1 my dude, I am well, how are you?  

am doing good my sister

JeSoul:

 That being said, G1 I have seen just a few of your posts around and I must say it saddened me a bit. Because you have taken to brash and unfortunate means in communicating your own beliefs - see, we're all guilty? Even if you believe in a certain manner and to an extreme degree, there's an effective, and even amicable way of showing what and especially why you believe as such - trust me, it will go a long long longer way in reaching people, than simply shoving these "blasphemies" in their faces. But we all fall short, its what keeps the world interesting place ain't it?  

i agree with you that i have been a little bit harsh and aggressive i guess it was a reation of the treatment i got from believers!!!! i used to be a peaceful atheist minding my business until when believers thought they could call me names just because i do not believe in god, !!!
when a christian meets a muslim and the muslim informs him of his faith the christians does not tell him stuff like his soul has been taken by the devil and likewise when a muslim meets a christian he does not tell him that he is worshipping the devil then why the hell do christians and muslims here in nigeria who findout that i am an atheist feel the need to tell me crap because i dont believe in god.!!!!
it was after tolerating them for too long that i decided to abandon the gentleman attitude and go blood for blood. however there are christians and muslims here that i still have decent conversations with e.g viaro etc

peaceout

jagunlabi:

To the thread title question, the irony of this demand is that henotheistic religions like islam and christianity will never abide by such a demand.Christian religion, for example, relies heavily on criticizing and demonizing other religions to elevate itself to the lofty positio of the, "one and only true religion", and it cannot achieve that position without showing the flaws of other religions.
It is only when it becomes the target of criticisms that katakata explodes.If all religious dogmas have to be free of criticisms, then everybody has to respect that, and i mean, EVERYBODY.

i agree with you, christianity and islam expect not to be criticised but they turn around and start criticising other religions (hindus, budhists etc), if you dish it you have to be ready to take it when someone dishes it, you cant on one hand tell hindus or sango worshippers that their religion is fake and rubbish but the moment someone calls yours rubbish, then you take offence!!!

jagunlabi:

Secondly, if the humanity begins to see that relligious dogmas have become a societal problem to the point that they are contributing heavily to the decay of the society at large(like the case in nigeria), then they have defnitely opened themselves up to criticisms from all angles.

i agree with you again, when a pastor accuses innocent children of witchcraft (calabar) or a crackpot islamic fundamentalist looses his mind then expect christianity and islam to be criticised

JeSoul:

But what is the motive and usefulness of critisizing a belief that affects no one but the individual in question? If I believe Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus, of what impact does that have on anyone but me? Especially if I am a contributing, functioning member of society, why the need to assault what I believe just because you disagree with it?

Hi Jesoul how are you doing?,
it would have been nice if all religious people held your view i.e[b] live and let live[/b], but a lot of your fellow believers are not ready to do that. they want to force their beliefs and morals on others.
, and we atheists are generally looked at as devils and an enemy even without us criticising religion!!!  
just recently i decided to tell a christian friend of mine about my atheism and he started telling me that i am loosing my mind and i should better go back to being a muslim, he told me that he rather be around a muslim than an atheist because atheists are dangerous (according to him ),
.the same thing happened when i told a muslim cousin of mine about my atheism he started telling me rubbish like the devil has consumed my soul.!!!! ,if you believers cant respect and accept our position as atheists then why then do you expect us to respect your  dogma and beliefs? so it goes both ways!!!
i always tell my theist friends that i only believe in one commandment, which is keep thy religion to thy self. dont bug me with your beliefs and i wont bug you with my atheism but the moment you want to call me names and start threatening me with an imaginary ball of fire(hell) because i dont believe what you believe then i will shoot holes in your beliefs which you inturn refer to as blasphemy!!!