Deepsight

To be honest, darkchild64 has presented a logical platform for a healthy debate.
Its only fair that proponents of the Soul 'theory' substantiate their beliefs.

OboOlora:
Op, MBBS is overrrated! A lot of them come here and even start nursing. Continue your botany, even Yoruba graduates here make more money than Drs in that ur country. Stay WOKE!!

Your post/suggestion makes it seem you assumed financial benefits to be the sole reason for studying courses.
he hasn't stated that he intended studying MBBS simply because of money or what not, but you had to do a comparison of courses based on their estimated income.

Also, no course is overrated, as the income for several courses are largely dependent on the economy of the country one practices in.
take the case you gave as example, you stated that yoruba graduates over there earn more than Doctors here, a simple question which would logically follow; DO THE YORUBA GRADUATES EARN 1/5TH AS MUCH AS THE DOCTORS THERE??
Don't be misleading, there are several reasons one would want to study a course, it could be money, passion, influences etc.
Don't limit the OP by making it seem like MBBS isn't lucrative while studying a Nigerian language is. . .

Cheers. . .

Almost1122:
Please I apply for MBBS in Bayero University Kano (BUK) with Jamb score of 263 and post Jamb with 272 and my average was 267.5. I heard some good grade in my O'Level result with,
1. English: B3
2. Mathematics: B3
3. Physics: A1
4. Biology: A1
5. Chemistry: C4.
I was expecting at least medical related courses, unfortunately they shift me from MBBS to Botany. Please what can I do with Botany because I don't want to loose another year again?

Thanks for your good suggestion!

Please if you don't have any positive suggestion to contribute just ignore it.

My son, you have apparently done very well to get those scores. Bear in mind that your dreams should never die, NO MATTER WHAT.
Firstly, you have to ask yourself what you really want and to what extent you're willing to go in pursuit of what you want, and forthwith give it your most positive energies and galvanize yourself towards it.

I see you're ardently interested in being a Doctor, I'd advice you to keep up with the ambition, because ultimately, what matters most would be fulfillment.
Do not let prevailing circumstances prevent you from getting to what you dream of.
Give it another shot, Son.
all the best.

Cheers. . . .

petra1:


So what’s your point then because it’s all sounding contradictory to me



So who says it takes people to heaven . Is it only things that take people to heaven you preach . Does fasting take people to heaven? Does intercession take people to heaven ? Does it mean you don’t teach on such ?



What is the old testament doctrine ?




I still don’t get you . I don’t believe I’m heading. What I seem to be hearing . What’s all these issues about proving what take to heaven or not




The kingdom of God is broad . You don’t just seat on one corner of the road . Worshiping God with your substance is part of Gods kingdom . Living in dominion , Living in health , prosperity, Dominion’ over sin are all part of the package .

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

My post was succinct enough. . .
We shouldn't over flog this issue, as you seem bent on enforcing this religious act- TITHING into the minds of the sheeple.
My son, I hope you do not assume that I'm a preacher, as I clearly am not. I say this because of the series of questions you asked earlier on what I preach.

If you must preach, learn to let go of material and financial gains, whether they come in the form of tithing or what not.

Nice chatting.

Cheers.

petra1:



Very funny .Firstly christians already have Salvation . It’s only those who are saved that can serve God by the practice of Godly principle .

Secondly it is erroneous to say something should not be preached because it’s not prerequisite to Salvation . Let me ask you a question . Is fasting prerequisite to Salvation ? Should it be preached ?

I haven't said doctrines that don't lead to salvation shouldn't be preached.
Those are two mutually exclusive notions.
I mean, rather, that tithing and similar money collection schemes are not necessary for a christian to go to 'heaven'. .
They are strictly old testament doctrines, and were not advanced by Christ as written.
I want you, if you will, to show where He advanced that. Using any reference you choose.
If you, as a christian, is verily bothered about the salvation of man, then material things like money and tithes wouldn't be a priority and you wouldn't feel hurt when the notion/doctrine is challenged, whether or not it's challenged by a Christian.

Cheers.

Grace001:



In light of that passage which make clear how Jesus felt about the practice of tithing, I doubt that the practice was followed by the apostles. Nowhere in The NT do we read about the apostles either preaching tithing, or practicing it.

Tithing was never practiced by the early church.The great apostle Paul even while spreading the Gospel from country to country actually fended for himself (1 thes 2:9,2 thes 3:7-10) The early Christians freely sold their possessions and laid them at the Apostles feet Acts 2:45, it didn't say 10 %

There is no record in the new testament where any of these great apostles paid tithes. I challenge YOU with any contrary opinion to quote any line of the NEW TESTAMENT TO PROVE THAT THE APOSTLES PAID TITHES. How come the NT didn't talked about it among the important things these great apostles want us to emulate from them as a Christians.

You guys are manipulators.

Aptly put.
These responses are major my business protection schemes, aimed at preserving the age long teaching of people parting ways with money in the name of tithe.

Petik8:
cos I feel its the true religion

You say its the true religion?
Might I ask, how did you arrive at that assertion with that level of certitude?
I ask because I wonder how you are so sure that it the TRUE religion and how you objectively dismissed others as the false religion, because there couldn't be two true religions since they do not preach the same message.

Kindly respond.

Ayerona:
When pussyhunter abi who was saying that women are only good for sex I was among the against the motion crew.



a girl that I love who claimed to be a virgin for a year now has been fucking one particular guy for the past 2 years.


Bleep shiit mhen and he is my friend.
I cried shaa. wasted resources, time, energy. . .


I just dey Jones since. . . from now on with tears in my eyes I say Bleep the pussy only. no time for any stupid love that doesn't exist.

My son, we learn everyday.
You're growing wiser and older.
Learn and grasp these essential life lessons we all get to experience at some point.
Enjoy.

everdeen:
I registered in the pre degree program in RIVERS STATE UNIVERSITY ,we are about to start, the problem is that the Med & Surg dept is still under construction, the course was not listed in Jamb, students that did the programme last year were not given admission. I want to know if I am wasting my time. But the school has promised that by this time next yr everything will be ready. Sorry 4 the long post.

The school doesn't have accreditation yet for admission into Medical school.
Its clearly written, like you said, in your jamb brochure.
Why then being confused?? Would you believe your school rumours or believe Jamb who is saddled with the task of admitting students??
You had better not make mistakes.

Veraatabeh:
is having a private jet to hold crusade in other countries a sin, public plane take time nd at times they dont met up in the churches outside Nigeria,other pastor abroad also invites to their churches to preach.A private jet as a gift frm a church member to pastor is it also means yahoo pastor abi. Preaching the word of God in different dimension u can use ur mouth, internet, cars nd jet to preach around the world

You get this wrong.
It, apparently, is not a sin to own private jets, whether or not they're used for the purpose of preaching. What is rather wrong is the mass psychological manipulation employed in the sourcing of the funds used in making the purchase.
You'd, for example, see cases where a pastor would tell how rich he is, or his net worth estimated by such things as private jets and schools etc.
It's apparent that the pastor has no work besides deploying persuasive skills in coercing the sheep to part with their hard earned money.
How then was the funds gotten if not from the collections from members.

Pastors preach and ride big cars and private jets when you have terribly poor members dropping their meagre offering every Sunday and going home hungry. .
Give these things a second thought.

petra1:


It doesn't make sense . Nobody ever preached tithe as prerequisite to salvation . Exceot invention of daddy freeze

I believe you also are of the opinion that it isn't prerequisite for salvation, why then is it of utmost importance to you or anyone who preaches it?, since you agree that:
1. It's not prerequisite to salvation.
2. Jesus did not preach it.

Why then should it be enforced on the steeple, except you infer that doctrines not necessary for salvation should be priority. .

Any neutralist would see that this Daddy Freeze message hit a raw nerve amongst pastors and tithe collectors, and all the responses so far are simply to protect pastoral investments by dissuading the steeple from learning the truth.

Cheers.

petra1:


His point was biblically wrong . Hope you read that link

There's a saying: 'HE WHO ASSERTS MUST PROVE'. .
The onus lies on the one who advances the proposition that tithes should be paid, not on he who opposes.

I'd love you to show, in very clear terms, why tithing is prerequisite to salvation as a Christian.
Except if you feel it isn't prerequisite for salvation as a christian, which would further advance his point that it is not a must neither is it a biblical principle preached by Christ.

Cheers.

Zhinurayn17:
thanks a lot I appreciate..
Yeah.. I meant that I had 68% in my post utme.. I just don't want to end up as a physiologist that's after I read some of the previous chats in this trend about how bad physiology is in Nigeria... Thanks a lot sir

There's no such thing as bad course.
Nonetheless, you're encouraged to aspire as much as you want in any field of study.
Wish you luck.

Cheers.

OrestesDante:


The bolded brings questioning.


Cheers

Yeah.
Scepticism is not the same as Atheism.
You posited that he is a potential atheist, when all he did was question the plausibility of the Hell theory.

petra1:


Daddy freeze manipulated all of you . The tithe to God is different from what is given to the poor . You can read it up here:https://www.nairaland.com/4169634/error-daddy-freeze/8#62626677

It's not helpful to assume.
I do not and have never been a subscriber to any of Freeze's messages.

Nevertheless, he raised some salient points on a pertinent doctrine preached by lots of the Pentecostal churches out there. He made some claims; howbeit his own opinions, if you or any other fellow feels threatened by his messages, as relates to the tithing, its trite to offer counter propositions using the Bible, the very Bible you both subscribe to rather than any other actions.

Matter of fairly, the various responses by some pastors who made attempts to counter him only sounded emotional in a bid to protect their investments, and dissuade sheeple from opening their eyes.
Not a single response was backed up with scripture.

So, do not presume that I subscribe to him or any other religious proponent.
I stood from afar and saw a biased perspective.

Cheers.

OrestesDante:



How does Atheism start?

By questioning the existence of God right?

I'm not an atheist, but I'd make attempts to respond.
Atheism is not necessarily the questioning of God, because that already assumes that the atheist presumes what God might be and then presses further to question the existence.
Atheism isn't about questioning, rather scepticism deals with questioning the plausibilities of notions; in this case- the existence of God, as you put up there.

The fellow isn't necessarily on his way to atheism, after all there are other religious sects that advance such notions; such as denying the existence of hell.

Cheers.

OrestesDante:


That doesn't make him any different from a wisdom pauper.

Questioning the existence of Hell does not make him a potential atheist.

Do you have any rebuttals to his proposition?

Zhinurayn17:
Hello here.. Am happy to join this compromising thread.. Actually I am a medical aspirant.. But due to my scores o had to switch to physiology.. I had 262 in jamb and 68% in jamb.. So people told me to switch that if I get admitted with physiology I'll be able to switch to medicine and surgery.. That's in unilorin.. So I want to ask for the requirements to switch to medicine from other medical courses.. And does the change take place after the first semester or after the end of year 1..
Ill appreciate good answers..

What do you mean by 262 in Jamb and 68%??
Nevertheless, its possible to switch courses to Medicine and Surgery, though it depends on the school.
In some schools, like it was in my days, you'd need to have a minimum of 4.0 CGPA at the end of your year one to qualify to switch over.
Some also, back then, switched, after the end of the course(Physiology) they studied, over to MBBS upon attaining a second class upper and continued from year 3 MBBS.
I doubt these still happens often now.

One word: Take your books very seriously if you intend switching to medical school.

Cheers.

Evablizin:
Let me call lalasticlala and mynd44.

It's simple enough.
Check well through the various posts, there hasn't been a single rebuttal to his post.
Make an attempt to rationally counter his claim.

Veraatabeh:
For the past few month i have been seeing freezer comment concerning tithe to pastor adeboye. Firstly i want ask wat happened to our adage of "the words of our elder re always right nd wat will take a young man to carry ladder to climb a mountain to see properly an old man sitting on a chair has already see it.Back to daddy freezer that has no respect for an elderly man old enough to be his grandfather let me put it in ur mind tithes dont make pastors rich. Wat is tithes: tithes is a sum of money given by people in church to the pastor. But the question how many Christian pay tithe nowadays those ranting nd shouting check their tithe book they haven't pay anything, frm the little tithe giving to pastor he will used it to build the house of God, pay his minsters nd choirsters and lastly take the rest to less privileged.Tb Joshua, oyedepo etc where do u think they get that money nd foodstuffs to give the less privileged.Muslims re the ones even paying tithes becos they knw they re nt doing it becos of man but God.Mind u those private jets was brought by someone to daddy adeboye nd oyedepo.Christians shld pls stop washing their dirty linen outside for the whole world to see instead we shld leave God to judge.Thanks for giving this small girl privilege to speak on narialand

He explicitly explained his position in the tithing topic, and not a single Pastor, who said otherwise replied with biblical backing.
Apparently you do not understand the workings of these churches and the whole tithing system.
You really do not have to follow just anyone simply because they're elderly or they're in some position where they talk and people listen. Think and ask questions, and you'd be guided, however slowly, into making rational and informed decisions.

Cheers.

Good write up. . .



OP, do a proper write up next time. .

Cheers.

Welcome back Deepsight.

Following.

cris07:
I have never seen a real man of God take palm wine, an indication to me that it's a sin. What's your view on this?

Your premise is a bit flawed.
How can your moral compass on WhatsApp a sin or not be dictated by who you perceive as a man of God or not.
Reversely, your logic would propose that you accept EVERYTHING those 'real' men of God you claim do as righteous. .

Very importantly, state who a real man of God is.

And, NO, taking good palm wine isn't a sin, son.
Cheers.

DrOluwatobhy:
I did my jamb re-print days back and i have my exam on the 15th of May. Its my third jamb, but i do belive in miracle, and i know my God will help me out not with my preparations, but because it's written in Romans 9;16 that He shows mercy to those He want to.



Are you doubting God? Revisit this thread on Tuesday and be shock. Fellow breathen do help me with prayers.

Wish you all the best, Son. . .
Realistically, you would do better in this exams so long as you've improved in your efforts. Academic success isn't a jamboree, its based on principles of hardworking and discipline.

Your passing the exam is not related to how much you believe or pray, rather the committed efforts you've put in.

I await good news, seeing that you also wanna be a doctor.

Good luck, Son.
Cheers.

PastorAIO:
I think that a lot of the problem is that many of the christian folks have given up even trying to make reasonable arguments that one can engage with and most exchanges now are just invectives. The quality has certainly gone down.

True.
Nairaland ain't the same anymore.

Being an ardent follower and visitor to the religion section, I must say, that I've noticed a change in the quality of posts and topics being discussed.
For a long time as a guest, before registering, I ALWAYS visited the religion section, where there was a great, insightful and rich discourses, debates and teachings.

It is, however, not the case anymore. Anyone who was regular here as early as 2009 - 2012 would understand truly what I mean.
I actually wonder where those great posters, some of which I learnt a great deal from, have all gone to. Most have stopped posting, others are occasional posters now.

I wish the good old days when we had the likes of, but not limited to;

Deepsight: My all time favourite poster.

Viaro

Plaetton

PastorAIO

Krayola

InesQor

Noetic

Davidylan

M_nwankwo:Truly wise.

Justcool

Mazage

Prizm

Nuclearboy

MrAnony

Jesoul

The homer

And many others, who I haven't mentioned. . . .

I just wish these posters would return and make this section what it once used to be.

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