Redeemed Church Opens World's Biggest Auditorium, Costs N7.7b

Debosky (Like some other objective commentators) have written a sensible post. He clearly delineated the core issues people have against the building. 1. The money is too much 2. The building is too large.

The fact still remains that the building is neccesary. Anybody that has been to the place will tell you the building is neccesary. And with the way things are going there might be a need for expansion in say 2-3 years. Thats why the auditorium has no walls. Just roof and floor. And if a building of this size is neccesary can we then begin to calculate how much it might cost? And if its truly N7.7b, how can we then say it is waste of money? The church is using her money to build do something that is neccesary. Wetin come be the wahala?

@Esss,  you mean the lady knew Jesus was about to die?? Is that what you got from those verses??? Anywho, here is the point. Legally, if the people put money together and these people use it to build the churches around the world, they are not criminals as long as they do with the money what they intended to do with it in the first place. Infact, for the economy, these churches are encouraged by the states cause of the revenue they bring in for them. If you want to know how much, you would have to contact the state to get that information. So again, building auditoriums, largest or not is not illegal and hence these people are not criminals.

Secondly, According to Christian tradition, building elaborate auditoriums is not against the law of the Christian God neither is coming together as a group to build the largest. From the very beginning of Christianity (Please visit rome to see a better picture of Christiandom from way back when if you have doubts), from the very grave where Christ was buried in, which happened to be elaborate (worthy of a rich man), to the temple that Christ worshipped in( which was world known), Christians have not said to limit the amount of money they spent in worshipping or pleasing their God cause it is the Godly thing to do. There are over history huge churches, some even over a thousand year old for those who seriously want to know much about christianity to check out and see for themselves. Even Historians will help you understand that building big churches has never been considered evil in the Christian community and that is not going to start cause you can not handle that it is being done again.

Thirdly, No where in scripture are you told that it is better to feed the poor with all your money than build for the Lord. Infact, Jesus encouraged the poor to give of the little they had so that God would bless them even more. Now note that it is not saying Pastors will bless the poor but that God himself will bless them when they give. And that also applies to the rich. I have given many Bible references to show that this is the case in the Bible and it is not up to man to bless man but up to God to bless man. So for those crying over the poor, I advise you all to take a look at what the faith is really built on and realize that there will always be poor but those who step out, according to Christ himself will be blessed by God.


Since there is no place in scripture that you can use to back up your claim without having about 10 other verses contradict your claim, I say we all accept that we are just a bunch of opinionated people trying to claim we know how to do the job better than God can and that alone is a sin in the eye of God (PRIDE)

It is only a MAD MAN who is not appreciative of what THE LORD is doing that will critisize what GOD has done through the G.O at the Auditorium lately, we should rather be happy that GOD is doing this great works through our own person. What then do you  say of scandals in our Nation Assembly, Judiciary and the Executive. Think about it.

I will only make one post on this very annoying thread because i do not want to be identified on a thread that is criticising a church, a partnership with God which maybe too complicated for us to understand.

I skimmed through this thread read between the lines and saw this thread for what it is; a direct attack on Christianity, first it started out with the church buildings, then it floated into paying of tithes, and I'm not sure where it ended Because i just got tooooo irritated,

For the person that started this thread i pray God should have mercy on you and i also pray he opens your eyes to see beyond the things you see, obviously you have a very myopic view on a lot of things


There was only one really intelligent post on this thread ( sorry if they were more and i was just to disgusted to go through the entire thread) the one girl or guy who said most people will not complete their missions on earth because they spend too much time criticising the works of others, I'm so sorry for a lot of you here oh really, especially the so called Christians, i pray God has mercy on you all

The church is after the souls of men, I'm sorry if you all find it offensive that we church builders focus more on that than other things that are also important,

One of the strong arguments Atheists have against religion is the  fact that there can't possibly be God because terrible things are happening in the world, They say if God is all powerful why would he let terrible things happen like natural dusters and all of that, You guys on this thread aren't to far from the atheist line of thought i must tell you, a summary of your opinions is  that we can't possibly build a church of 60 million dollars when there are people suffering in the world,

I see the logic the analysis and all of that, but I'm sorry to disappoint you God doesn't think like that, the one thing that matters most to him is eternal life, your life after life! Honestly  if i had a million dollars i would gladly build a house of worship for God if he tells me to, i Live for him by his standards and not by standards of men.

Unfortunately no matter how many pages long this thread goes, your criticisms will be ignored because The church answers to God and not to Man, if God says we should build a church of 300 billion dollars we'll do it, Maybe you all are talking about someone else, i don't know but the one i serve is worth more than money, wetin be 60 million dollars to the one who owns everything? All God wants from us is that we obey him, if God wants a zillion dollar church, I'm ready to build it!

The church makes enough provisions for the needy, but since there are so many people here bleeding in their hearts for the homeless ( especially the dude who put up the photo) why don't you give up your fancy jobs and join the millions of missionaries in remote parts of the world who have dedicated their lives to taking care of people like that,, infact do something simpler, FOR EVERYPOST YOU HAVE MADE ON THIS THREAD FEED A HUNGRY MAN ON CHRISTMAS DAY, I'm sure that'll be good.

Everyman has a calling, don't be to engrossed in the calling of others trying to find loop holes in them that you don't adhere to your own calling, The ways of the church has never pleased man i think when the church begins to please man then thats when theres a problem,

On a more spiritual level i  just advise you guys to stop posting on this thread, You don't know the intention of the first poster so be careful, generally when it comes to arguments concerning the church do the fighting on your knees and not with your words and fists, your posts can affect the faint hearted negatively so stop all the nonsense bickering and build up your own treasures in heaven, don't try to use your mouth to attack something you know nothing about, facts and figures mean nothing to God, focus on what matters to him, do his will, do something for someone this Christmas, win souls to Christ, rather than bringing down the people who spend every waking moment doing just that for God,


Merry Christmas to you all

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hi,
is that auditorioum larger than that of winners' chapel?
Where is it located?

Take heart. We know how many Muslims do worse than yab their Imams - in one case, it may not be about building Cathedrals or church structures; but what do you do when a mentor over Muslim children is found defiling little girls?

Apart from 'yabbing' pastors etc, have Muslims not gone to war against Muslims (Shiites against Sunnis. . . and the Wahabis waiting in the wings to wipe all other Muslim groups off the face of the earth)?!?

Have you lost touch with reality that all you do these days is spew out your ignorant gutters?

I presume the amount works out at $57m(I used N134 TO 1$).Commoros Island,population of at least 720,000-total revenue in 2001 was at $27m-that is less than half of the RCCG's expenditure on a single auditorium. Things like should make you put such expenditure in perspective in a continent with tremendous needs.

Yes,that amount is higher than the annual budgets of countries like Sao Tome and Principe and the Commoros Islands.What a nation approaching a population of 1million live on in year,that is what one organisation uses to "worship God" by building an auditorium.

Lets further place it in perspective:

-The amount is more than the health budgets of Liberia,Sierra Leone,Guines-Bissau individually

-Larger than the eduction budget of the above countries and many other African countries.

-It can fund ARVs for 100,000 HIV patients in Africa over the course of a year.

 

I only speak based on my understanding of the bible and the life Jesus lived. When Jesus had 5000 men with him on the mount, he fed them for free!. He did not think of building an auditorium to comfortably sit them in.  There are already auditoriums across the nation which can be easily used for any religious activity. Rather each church wants its own share of I have the biggest auditorium in the country.

I have not seen where Christians are gathering here in Nigeria and they are all fed with food accordingly after the message. Most especially when they come in their thousands. Jesus understood the people were not hungry for an auditorium after speaking the words of the the Father but rather they wanted food. Many people will go to that auditorium with hunger in their stomach, only to go back home the more frustrated.

In as much as I am not so much into this religion of a thing any longer, I love it when people are objective in their approach to issues, no matter who or what is involved.  Unfortunately, many who declare themselves Christians here have proven themselves to be very big disappointments to that faith which they claim to represent.

@debosky, that was excellently delivered.  Weldone bro.

LMAO!!!!! 

@mrpataki,


Please stick to words you know.  "Aspersions of stupidity" ??  Wow!

@kobojunkie

I'm not debating the meaning of the word "Christian" now.  The context in which I made that statement shouldn't be disregarded, please.  Read again, if you care.

@ Purist,
Make yourself sensible with your postings. The easiest way for you to do that is by learning to sit down and read. Your usual recourse to interjecting to threads without firmly grasping the issue is irritating.

if it had been used to build Natl stadium would that be better?
why do people always jump up and shout when any money is spent in the church
more space to bring in the masses is the way I see it
there are only so many people they can feed, why only feed when u can teach the person how to fish. After all it is God that maketh rich and He addeth no sorrow to it, and God has given us the ability to have wealth

if you yourself raised that much and wanted to use it to build your mansion, does any other Nigerian citizen have a right to criticise you?

@Kobojunkie


Mr. Kobojunkie, I DID NOT say Christians should not do as Jesus did or whatever.  That statement I made was in response to mrpataki's pattern of argument.  Keyword: CONTEXT.

Also, the misuse of the Bible verse is not the "only" problem with his post; another problem with his post is that he used a very grotesque analogy to buttress his point, which automatically renders his argument invalid.

His argument was, Jesus preached to the people in an open space, and "He did not think of building an auditorium to comfortably sit them in".  In other words, since Jesus never thought of building an auditorium for the people, then according to mrpataki, it is only wrong for Adeboye to build an auditorium for the people.  Do you agree with this, Kobojunkie?

Again, his other argument was, Jesus fed the people after preaching, but he hasn't seen any church doing that.  (Mind you, mrpataki, Jesus did this only once, so this argument of yours holds no water).

Now based on this reasoning of his, it's only "logical" to conclude that Christians (or followers of Jesus), as well, shouldn't use microphones and other things people use in Churches today, since Jesus Himself "never thought of using them".

Do you not see the folly of this reasoning, Kobojunkie?