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nwando
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Can't you learn from Leylas father above who knew Christian schools had it going on.
make sure you don't send my nieces and nephews to a madrassa.
we will not have it
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leyla (f)
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The Torah, Bible and the Quran are all books of God. The one God who is referred to on this forum, please do not be confused as there is only one God. The message should be that we should learn to love thy neighbour, accept differences, celebrate diversity and practise tolerance. Lets keep it simple instead of trying to beat each other with words and arguments.  |
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babs787 (m)
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Lets keep it simple instead of trying to beat each other with words and arguments. Straight to the point.  |
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khai_khai (m)
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The Torah, Bible and the Quran are all books of God. The one God who is referred to on this forum, please do not be confused as there is only one God. The message should be that we should learn to love thy neighbour, accept differences, celebrate diversity and practise tolerance. Lets keep it simple instead of trying to beat each other with words and arguments. this is as simple as it gets Islam=violence the God wey Muhammad dey talk for I'm Quran was definitely not the same God talked about in the Bible God for Bible, I no hear one day say I'm talk about Jihad o. Or was he continously telling his believers to live in paranoia of their fellow man just because he has a different belief. Muhammad read the Bible, took some of it, added his violent paranoid thoughts and got his quran. then carry sword begin dey spread the religion. and lets not even start with wetin dey that them Hadith |
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PTH (m)
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The Torah, Bible and the Quran are all books of God. The one God who is referred to on this forum, please do not be confused as there is only one God.
It is not enough to just parrot the weather-beaten propaganda that your imams have used over the centuries to decieve you. Take a good read of the bible, quran and torah . . . do they all convey THE SAME MESSAGE? while the bible and jewish torah (which is also part of the bible, OT) point to Christ's death, resurrection and ultimate message of redemption, the quran flatly denies this claiming that Jesus Christ DID NOT DIE but was a mere messenger. Now comes the puzzle; can the same God be sending two clearly different messages at the same time? It is funny that the idea of "the bible, torah and quran being from the same "god" is mainly championed by muslims. True christians do not deny this because they hate muslims but because it is a clear and incontrovertible fact. Muslims should endeavour to think for themselves, the era of mindlessly repeating the same high sounding but meaningless words all in the name of political correctness and the struggle to make islam acceptable to the gullible is over. |
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leyla (f)
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In answer to the last post.
The same God has not given different messages -no. In fact (it is my opinion) that the message of God in many many cases has been misinterpreted to meet man's own need and requirement.
Religion is man made, lets remembers that.
Here is an example:
A Jehova Witness will not allow him/herself to be given a blood transfusion because they believe that God's word in the Bible states that they must not allow a 'foreign substance' to enter their body. They believe blood to be a 'foreign substance'.
Ask the same Jehovah Witness then if they will eat steak 'underdone' cooked with blood in it and then eat it. They will say yes, they will eat it.
But THAT blood from the cow is entering your body, how can that be allowed in your religion? I have yet to be answered logically.
Here is a prime example of misinterpretation.
This is a huge subject, religion causes wars, hatred and killing-how can we talk of religion as God,s true word? Surely this is not what God expects of us?
I believe we each need to find our own truth, make sense of it and try to live by it.
Religion is supposed to offer us guidance on how to lead a good life.
In respond to another statement from the last post-there can never be a messanger described as a 'mere' messanger.
A messanger is someone who delivers a message and God's word is the most precious of messages than can be delivered.
Unfortunately, it seems to be like a game of 'chinese whispers', where along the years the message is misheard so much until becomes a message quite different fro the original one!
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nwando
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In answer to the last post.
The same God has not given different messages -no. In fact (it is my opinion) that the message of God in many many cases has been misinterpreted to meet man's own need and requirement.
Religion is man made, lets remembers that.Here is an example:
A Jehova Witness will not allow him/herself to be given a blood transfusion because they believe that God's word in the Bible states that they must not allow a 'foreign substance' to enter their body. They believe blood to be a 'foreign substance'.
Ask the same Jehovah Witness then if they will eat steak 'underdone' cooked with blood in it and then eat it. They will say yes, they will eat it.
But THAT blood from the cow is entering your body, how can that be allowed in your religion? I have yet to be answered logically.
Here is a prime example of misinterpretation.
This is a huge subject, religion causes wars, hatred and killing-how can we talk of religion as God,s true word? Surely this is not what God expects of us?
I believe we each need to find our own truth, make sense of it and try to live by it.
Religion is supposed to offer us guidance on how to lead a good life.
In respond to another statement from the last post-there can never be a messanger described as a 'mere' messanger.
A messanger is someone who delivers a message and God's word is the most precious of messages than can be delivered.
Unfortunately, it seems to be like a game of 'chinese whispers', where along the years the message is misheard so much until becomes a message quite different fro the original one!
Sweetie pie,you are right Religion and religiousity will do nothing for man True Christianity is not just a way of life. It's life itself |
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PTH (m)
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The same God has not given different messages -no. In fact (it is my opinion) that the message of God in many many cases has been misinterpreted to meet man's own need and requirement.
In certain ways yes. . . but the fundamental message of the bible remains clear - it points to one singular event, the death on the cross and the subsequent resurrection of Jesus Christ. Islam flatly denies this. There have been several copies of the books of the bible found at various places and at different time periods . . . NOT ONE of those books has been found to be even subtly different from the bible we carry around. The idea that the message of God has been "misinterpreted" was mohammed's way of forcing islam down the throats of the weak minded who could not do any form of independent research of their own. Religion is man made, lets remembers that.
Here is an example:
A Jehova Witness will not allow him/herself to be given a blood transfusion because they believe that God's word in the Bible states that they must not allow a 'foreign substance' to enter their body. They believe blood to be a 'foreign substance'.
Ask the same Jehovah Witness then if they will eat steak 'underdone' cooked with blood in it and then eat it. They will say yes, they will eat it.
But THAT blood from the cow is entering your body, how can that be allowed in your religion? I have yet to be answered logically.
Here is a prime example of misinterpretation.
You are right. However the problem here is that blood transfusions really have nothing to do with being a christian or not. No where in the bible are we told that blood transfusions are wrong . . . As Nwando pointed out, christianity is a way of life not a system of archaic rules and regulations. It is more interested in your spiritual health and relationship with God than whether you decide against giving blood to ur neighbour. This is a huge subject, religion causes wars, hatred and killing-how can we talk of religion as God,s true word? Surely this is not what God expects of us?
the first step in misunderstanding christianity is to assume it is a religion. It is not. What God expects of us as christians is boldly written in our scriptures, we are to love our enemies and do good to those who despitefully use us. . . In respond to another statement from the last post-there can never be a messanger described as a 'mere' messanger.
A messanger is someone who delivers a message and God's word is the most precious of messages than can be delivered.
Unfortunately, it seems to be like a game of 'chinese whispers', where along the years the message is misheard so much until becomes a message quite different fro the original one!
when people make the above statement in highlights, it is more often that not a sly way of repeating the tired old mantra that the bible is corrupt. Mohammed never wrote down the quran, rather it was passed down by oral tradition. Even the hadith makes us understand that at some point mohammed himself forgot some revelations and had to be reminded . . . besides many of his trusted lieutenants perished in battle thus losing a critical part of the "revelations" they had commited to memory . . . why then do muslims assume that the quran could not have become distorted with time? Rather they spend so much time vilifying the bible that had been copied faithfully on parchments and handed down from generation to generation. As early as the time of Moses we know that the laws of God were preserved in written form. |
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olabowale (m)
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In certain ways yes. . . but the fundamental message of the bible remains clear - it points to one singular event, the death on the cross and the subsequent resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Olabowale's response: Only if it happens it could have been understood. The Jews meant a death on the Cross to be accusation of the soul. It would have been a thing shameful for a Prophet/Messenger of God to suffer such a terrible and humiliating end.
Islam flatly denies this.
Olabowale's response: The denial of it by Islam is the truth of the matter. A means of putting to shame of the claim of the evildoers of the Children of Israel, who were bent on cursing the soul of Jesus son of Mary. Aforetimes, they had killed many prophets. They had most recently beheaded John son of Zachariah. Islam is the saving grace for both the Jews who the Christians will some day want to have a go at for 'killing' their 'Lord,' and the Christians by it pointing out that the soul of jesus son of Mary is not accursed, because God saved him from dying on the cross!
There have been several copies of the books of the bible found at various places and at different time periods . . . NOT ONE of those books has been found to be even subtly different from the bible we carry around. The idea that the message of God has been "misinterpreted" was mohammed's way of forcing islam down the throats of the weak minded who could not do any form of independent research of their own.
Olabowale's response: I bet you never heard of the RSV printed in 1952, which completely omitted many verses, including John 3:16. I bet you never saw a Roman catholic Bible, which has more books than the Protestant's. I bet you have been fed a load of , ! The question is this to you, in over 2000 years, which is the real Bible? please show it to me? I bet all the Yorubas who have accepted Islam in so many generations are weak. Then the igbo people are now becoming weak, since they are now accepting islam. We already know your opinion of the Hausas, so there is no point going there! You are so wise that you could conduct an independent research, whereby you may contradict what God to His prophet! thats smart. No wonder it is easy for Paul to pull the wool over the eyes of the Christians, by his going against what Jesus stood for. Afterall, Paul rendered the 10 Commandments almost irrelevant. One God becomes a 3 head God!
You are right. However the problem here is that blood transfusions really have nothing to do with being a christian or not. No where in the bible are we told that blood transfusions are wrong . . .
As Nwando pointed out, christianity is a way of life not a system of archaic rules and regulations. It is more interested in your spiritual health and relationship with God than whether you decide against giving blood to your neighbour.
Olabowale's response: Moses 10 commandments are now archaic and has no bearing more? Has God changed from the God of old, to a new God in a metamorphic sense?
the first step in misunderstanding christianity is to assume it is a religion. It is not.
What God expects of us as christians is boldly written in our scriptures, we are to love our enemies and do good to those who despitefully use us. . .
Olabowale's response: Since Christianity is not a religion, I see why Jesus son of Mary was not the founder. But will Jesus recognise whatever Christianity is?
when people make the above statement in highlights, it is more often that not a sly way of repeating the tired old mantra that the bible is corrupt. Muhammad never wrote down the quran, rather it was passed down by oral tradition. Even the hadith makes us understand that at some point mohammed himself forgot some revelations and had to be reminded . . . besides many of his trusted lieutenants perished in battle thus losing a critical part of the "revelations" they had commited to memory . . .
Olabowale's response: I am not sure if I do not know who this PTH guy is. But I need to let you know that your Bible is corrupt, the OT is corrupt, the Psalm is corrupt and the NT is corrupt! It is true that Muhammad was unlettered. However he had scribes around him. God Almighty provided ample people to facilitate the writing down of all the revelations, as they came to him, in all of the 23 years. More importantly, God increased his memory capability. So were those of people, male and female around him. Infact, every year, during the month of ramadan, Angel Gabreil used to come to Muhammad. Muhammad will recite the complete Qur'an to him, once, and he will recite it back to Muhammad one time, too. (Note that what they recited to each other the first year was smaller than what they recited the second year, because other revelation had came. But whatever was in the Qur'an in any given year was Qur'an!). The fact that Muhammad forgot recitation of the Qur'an at a single occasion, was the means of passing on the legislation, that it was permissable to correct a reciter who makes mistake. It is in the same light that he was made to perform a salah in a fewer rakah, whereby we learnt how to correct our salah, by making the 2 postrations of forgetfulness. You will be naive or disgenuous to believe that God sent an Angel to a man, aiding him in this messengership and left him for humiliations! In the same way that God did not leave Jesus to be humiliated in the intended process to have his soul cursed, if he was crucified! Your knowledge about islam is so insignificant taht you had thought that the total population of reciters perished just in one go! What happened to Abu Bakr, Umar bin Khattab, Uthman bin Affan, Ali bin Abitalib and many others, including Abdallah bin Mas'ud, the one who corrected Muhammad? They they all died with this group, in one shot, as if the who of Islam just perished? Please PTH, you have no understanding. Its better that you stick to your Bible which will definately lead you to perdition. It is a hatman decree, that those who reject Muhammad will perish in Hellfire. Allah Himself guarantees it.
why then do muslims assume that the quran could not have become distorted with time? Rather they spend so much time vilifying the bible that had been copied faithfully on parchments and handed down from generation to generation.
Olabowale's response: Muslims do not assume, because of wishful thing or baseless opinion, which is what you are presenting here. In the Qur'an itself, Almighty Allah guarantees the purity of Qur'an and the impossibility of it ever been distorted or corrupted. God has set up and maintain the system of safeguarding it. Let me educate you for a moment. Remember, that Muhammad himself was corrected? That is a safeguarding system. No one, from that time onward can be placed in a position of uncorrectable. Angel Gabreil came every year to recite with Muhammad. The last year of Muhammad to be alive, that Ramadan, Gabreil and Muhammad recited to each other the Qur'an two times each! If there was any kincks to be straighten out, that was the time for it. The Muslims used to recite it for prayers, and for all occasions, including in joyous and somber accasions. They even recite it when they are desparsing from a gathering, even as small a party as 2 people meeting at the street corner! During the life of Abu Bakr, the Qur'an was made to a single book, another form of safeguarding it. Yet whatever patchments that were available in individual hands were left in their hands. In the time of Uthman bin Affan, this singularly complete Qur'an, was copied into 4 styles of recitations which were common in Islamic centres. If you know anything about islam, you would have known that Muhammad had supplicated to Allah and Allah granted his supplication, whereby Seven styles of recitaions were possible. So in the lifetime of Muhammad, all the essential ingredients of what Islam Islam was in place. without missing a beat. Surprising that you mentioned that the Bible were in patchments. I thought your brothers and sisters in Christianity poke fun at the Qur'an being written on patchment as it was revealed to Muhammad. Is there anything else you will like to tell us that the Bible has in common with the Qur'an? Am waiting to hear them. lol.
As early as the time of Moses we know that the laws of God were preserved in written form.
Olabowale's response: Apart from the 10 commandment, tell us what else are preserved inwritten form? If this is so, how come you have a revision and edition being conducted in every few generations, the RSV of 1952 somewhat different from that of 1971? Why do you you have major christian event/doctrine being relegated to a mere footnotes in one publication and in the body of the Bible in another? Sir PTH, have you seen a Hibrew or Aramaic Bible before, since none of the Bible Prophets was Greek or Roman or English? Why was it that only 4 apostles gave accounts among the loyal 11? Why is it that Saul/Paul dominated these major companions of Jesus after Paul's supposed enlightenment? You have a lot to answer!
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PTH (m)
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Alhaji, when next you quote remember to put your own responses OUTSIDE the quote tags. Olabowale's response: Only if it happens it could have been understood. The Jews meant a death on the Cross to be accusation of the soul. It would have been a thing shameful for a Prophet/Messenger of God to suffer such a terrible and humiliating end. Olabowale, you can't sit there telling us about what you don't know. You constantly leave yourself open to ridicule anytime you try so hard to force christianity into the mould of islam. Perhaps it is a thing of shame for your non-existent "prophets" or those u borrowed from the bible to sufer such humiliating death but the bible tells me - Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:The denial of it by Islam is the truth of the matter. Simply because Mohammed said so? Christ's death and resurrection had thousands of witnesses who also penned it down for our edification . . . where are the witnesses to islam's denial? I bet you never heard of the RSV printed in 1952, which completely omitted many verses, including John 3:16. Either you did not understand my statements or u are dishonestly trying not to. Here is what i initially said . . . There have been several copies of the books of the bible found at various places and at different time periods . . . NOT ONE of those books has been found to be even subtly different from the bible we carry around.You instantly struggle to bring up the RSV published in 1952. The RSV is simply an individual version of the original scrolls on which the bible was written in earlier times. The dead sea scrolls contain the original books of the bible written thousands of years ago and not just in 1952. They contain John 3:16. . . anybody can wake up tomorrow and publish "David's Revised Bible" and choose to remove the entire book of Genesis. It does not make the original scrolls corrupt! I am not sure if I do not know who this PTH guy is. But I need to let you know that your Bible is corrupt, the OT is corrupt, the Psalm is corrupt and the NT is corrupt! yes we've heard that a million times. . . what's new? Where is the injil and torah all sent down and confirmed? Bring it first before you start crying about a corrupt bible. Where you not the same person reading mohammad into Isaiah 53? It is a hatman decree, that those who reject Muhammad will perish in Hellfire. Allah Himself guarantees it. It is also a hatman decree, all muslims will go down into hell. Allah himself has guaranteed it in Sura 19:71. The rest of your drivel is regurgitated old news. |
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alexis (m)
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PTH,
Trying to reason with alhaji olabowale is futile. He is not a man of his word and I have decided not to engage him in a spirited debate. He (and some muslims on his forum) think christianity and islam is in some form of competition.
Thanks for your posts, they were enlightening. May the good Lord continue to give you more wisdom
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olabowale (m)
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Olabowale, you can't sit there telling us about what you don't know. You constantly leave yourself open to ridicule anytime you try so hard to force christianity into the mould of islam. Perhaps it is a thing of shame for your non-existent "prophets" or those u borrowed from the bible to sufer such humiliating death but the bible tells me - Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: You are defending Jesus son of Mary, a Prophet and Messenger, with Galatians? A material written by Saul/Paul or his supporter(s). A fellow or group who Jesus never knew, turning all that Jesus and Moses stood for over its head! I do not have to force Christianity into the mould of Islm. Truth stands clearly and separate from falsehood. God ways is the same way, always! We should not forget that it was after Jesus ascended that a new brand of the messege of Jesus arose, from Paul. But from your Galatians, above, you are telling me that your 'God' died in order that you be redeemed from acurse of the law. The law of a prophet is stronger to the point that your 'God' had to die to ransome you? Tell me, who is stronger, between this prophet and your God? A clearly thinking mind, with wisdom, will say it is the prophet! If, as muslims, we do not worship such a powerful Prophet, and we worship his Lord, then our Lord definately has to be stronger than your 'God' who had to die in order you be be allowed to shunt a set of laws! Tell me, after all of this death, is there any part of the laws that is/are still relevant? Is the first commandment now abrogated, rendered left with the Jews and the Muslims who reinstate in their Qur'an. Simply because Muhammad said so? Christ's death and resurrection had thousands of witnesses who also penned it down for our edification . . . where are the witnesses to islam's denial? From your above quote Jesus death which was a curse on his soul is what you are hanging your whole salvation upon! It shameful that you could actually utter from your own mouth that your'God's soul is cursed!' Evidently, the Muslims believe that Jesus did not die as the Jews had planned. It is Muhammad and his followers that you Christians and the jews hold a great debt of gratitude. Why, for the Christians, Qur'an honored their 'God' and secured his person and soul from the peril that the Jews had hoped he had suffered. The Qur'an extracated and serve as a written alibi that Jesus did not die, in the hand of the Jews, when the time comes that the Christians want a real honest to goodness revenge for the 'death' of their 'God!' The witnesses to Islamic denial of the death of Jesus, is God Almighty Himself, who sent Jesus as a Messenger! God is enough as a witness! I further provide you that the Angels of god are also witnesses, Isa bin Marianm himself is a witness and so are all the other prophets of Allah, Muhammad and all who believe him, the Muslims are witnesses. Qur'an itself is a written witness. How much more do you want? I guess the voice is the voice of Jacob, but I think the body is that of Essau! Thats a joke to tell you that i recognise you. I love you always. Either you did not understand my statements or u are dishonestly trying not to. Here is what i initially said . . . There have been several copies of the books of the bible found at various places and at different time periods . . . NOT ONE of those books has been found to be even subtly different from the bible we carry around.
You instantly struggle to bring up the RSV published in 1952. The RSV is simply an individual version of the original scrolls on which the bible was written in earlier times. The dead sea scrolls contain the original books of the bible written thousands of years ago and not just in 1952. They contain John 3:16. . . anybody can wake up tomorrow and publish "David's Revised Bible" and choose to remove the entire book of Genesis. It does not make the original scrolls corrupt! So the 1952 Bible is not a real Bible, uh? Those read it and used it for their worship are not real Christians? What about the Roman catholics and all the orthodox sects? I will not touch up on the latter day saints and the J Witnesses! My main man, Tiger, you will have narrow christianity to one man on bible befor you can even begin to make sense on this one. Then as a lion myself, i just have to bite harder. You have not seen the original, and is there anything original in the most ancient that is many hundreds of years after the fact? In diffrent language? You make me laugh in your responses on the corruptions of the Bible and the Hatman decree. It shows that you still have that zeng in you, but I notice the fire is a little bit down. The hatman decree says that those who are God conscious will be saved, without tasting Hellfire. That is different from your bllanketed statement to the contrary. You know you did not tell the truth and you ain't going to rattle me. Am too cool for that. |
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nwando
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allahu arched bar?
Olabowole has finally learnt to qoute
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olabowale (m)
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Finally, I can deal with you in your desired language. Please respond.
It is Allahu Akbar!
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PTH (m)
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another rambling thesis from a man who is clearly roaming around in spiritual darkness.
Where are the witnesses to islam's denial of Christ's death?
Where is the injil and torah allah sent down and confirmed since ours is corrupted?
Did allah not say by a hatman decree that ALL muslims are meant to go down into hell?
Those are three clear questions that deserve an answer. Rather you prefer to dance around them with long sentences.
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babs787 (m)
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@PTH- davidylan Olabowale, you can't sit there telling us about what you don't know. What is it that you know so much? You constantly leave yourself open to ridicule anytime you try so hard to force christianity into the mould of islam. Perhaps it is a thing of shame for your non-existent "prophets" or those u borrowed from the bible to sufer such humiliating death but the bible tells me - Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Bible tells you but have you think about the authors of the so called book, whether they were inspired or not. I can see that you included letter of Paul as part of the revelation given to Jesus. Please did he know Jesus before his death and to refreshen your memory, he contradicted himself in two verses where he first said that only him heard thje voice but others did not and in another place, he lied that they heard him (sorry i didnt give you the verse because u understood where i am going). Please was Jesus crucified or hangeth on a tree? Simply because Muhammad said so? Christ's death and resurrection had thousands of witnesses who also penned it down for our edification . . . where are the witnesses to islam's denial? Can you share some of the thousand witnesses with me? Let me awaken you from your slumber, go to your bible and you would read that none of his disciples witnessed the drama, they all stood from afar and watched. Please, when was he crucified and was it in Jerusalem or outside Jerusalem? Who are referring to as witnesses? Did the the gospellers witness the incident and please are you saying the penned down story is the same as the revelation given to Jesus? Either you did not understand my statements or u are dishonestly trying not to. Here is what i initially said . . . There have been several copies of the books of the bible found at various places and at different time periods . . . NOT ONE of those books has been found to be even subtly different from the bible we carry around. Really, thou shall not lie You instantly struggle to bring up the RSV published in 1952. The RSV is simply an individual version of the original scrolls on which the bible was written in earlier times. The dead sea scrolls contain the original books of the bible written thousands of years ago and not just in 1952. They contain John 3:16. . . anybody can wake up tomorrow and publish "David's Revised Bible" and choose to remove the entire book of Genesis. It does not make the original scrolls corrupt! Now brother, you and your folks ignored those I served you in which early edition omitted some verses while later edition inserted same. Please if they have been writing the bible with inspiration, there shouldnt have been any sort of omittion and later addition. Brother even in the very bible you may be holding now, I will still show you missing verses therein and if I may ask you, why do you choose to go about with incomplete book of God when you know that the book is incomplete, why not go for the complete book. Let me have the version and the year of the bible you are having with you and I will show you missing verses from same and will also let you know that no two versions are the same despite the fact that they are all claiming to have writing same through inspiration. Quote
I am not sure if I do not know who this PTH guy is. But I need to let you know that your Bible is corrupt, the OT is corrupt, the Psalm is corrupt and the NT is corrupt! He is still davidylan yes we've heard that a million times. . . what's new? Where is the injil and torah all sent down and confirmed? Bring it first before you start crying about a corrupt bible. Where you not the same person reading mohammad into Isaiah 53? You can't deny the fact that its corrupt and you have been served evidence that its corrupt, tampered with. |
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auwal87
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another rambling thesis from a man who is clearly roaming around in spiritual darkness.
Where are the witnesses to islam's denial of Christ's death?
Where is the injil and torah allah sent down and confirmed since ours is corrupted?
Did allah not say by a hatman decree that ALL muslims are meant to go down into hell?
Those are three clear questions that deserve an answer. Rather you prefer to dance around them with long sentences.
1. One of the witness to Islam's denial of Christ's death is Jesus Himself, and he will come and testify that he was not killed 2. The Injil and Torah were hidden long time ago, and we are told to believe that it was revealed but not as you take it (to firmly believe in it, so it is not a mistake/error when we said "We believe that the Injil and Taurat was revealed by Almighty Allah" So, it does not bother us whether it is there or not, All Guidance is in the Holy Qur'an3. No, Almighty Allah did not say that ALL Muslims are inheritors of Hell Fire, a Muslim that believe in One God, and believe in the Message that Prophet Muhammad was sent with (Qur'an), and follow the Sunnah of the Prophet accordingly, you will never taste the Hell. But if you say you are a Muslim but act like a pagan, i.e. does not do anything that will give you good credits, you will of course enter Hell Fire |
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olrotimi (m)
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sincerely i dnt think so.remember that these guys are sons of ishmae >:(l
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olabowale (m)
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And you are sons of Isaac in this case? Or are you sons of Jacob? You tell me. If you say Isaac, the question is this did believe that it was Isaac who was to be slaughtered by Ibrahim? If your answer is yes, then we will ask you; why do you leave the celebration to the Muslims, who are sons of Ismail? Except that if you truly thing deep in your heart, you will know that it could not have been Isaac! The right person was Ismail, and maybe thats why the Jews who will jump at all chances to prove their claims as the chosen, and you the Christians who follow blindly in their deceit do not observe this great act of Mercy from God on both Ibrahim and the son, both people being obedient to the Command of the Great AUTHORITY! We see that First child can only be the only only child. There is no way it can belong to anyone born after! It is only in Jewish and Christian tradition that people lose their birth right by deceit! Ismail was not Essau and Alhamdulillah, Ibrahim was not blind! And no one reported that Ismail was an evil man. And his Children did not deceive one another as Jocob did to his own brother Essau and in gaining good yeilding livestocks at the expense of other, in the country where he seeked asylum. We do not have arrogance in Ismail's Children as we have in Jacob, who they said Struggle with God and man, and he over both of them! This is pure madness!
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olabowale (m)
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@Olrotimi: On Yahoo, this morning, They had a young Muslim Girl holding a ram as the picture of the week. The story told about this picture was the slaughter rite that the Muslims just celebrated. It was a commemoration of the commandment of God on Ibrahiim in his dream. He was asked to Sacrifice his son Ismail. Even the News people have the brain to at least acknowledge that it was Ismail and not baby Isiaq.
The second story that caught my interest, was about the US service men and women in Iraq. There was this Muslim girl who is serving in Iraq. Then a larger group of Jews in deployment in Iraq as well. Then the Christians. The largest of the three religions by far. The Chaplain who was interview has this west African accent. Definitely not Nigerian. But what was said about the thou shall not kill of the, 'Christian law,' was the very interesting thing to me. It seems that the power of the country is greater than the power of God, because it is quickly reconcilable, that to carry out the agenda or mission of the Christian leadership mission, in the prosecution of the way, when its especially against Islam and Muslims, then it is okay to forget God's commandment for a moment.
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