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stillwater (f)
Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« on: December 15, 2007, 06:50 PM »

(I hope no one has posted on this, don't want to look like a fool)                     

When I hear the word nigger, as a Nigerian who wasn't brought up with slavery mentality- it doesn't affect me in anyway neither does it make me less of a human being. I never knew the word was derogatory, never knew it had an  attachment of hatred.
African Americans and some Africans in  nairaland say the word without knowing the history and degradation  the word comes with. But when a white man uses/says it, we are ready to scream at the top of our lungs Racist!!! I don't see why black people use the word among themselves and would not allow other races to make use of it.

I wouldn't have come across the word nigger if I never listened to rap/hiphop which is a black dominated industry.

If you hate it why use it?
toshmann (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #1 on: December 16, 2007, 02:00 AM »

i guess you are still at home. it meant nothing to me when i was at home, but the moment i came to the UK, racism was no longer a news item or an article topic, it was daily life. nigger became a curse word. it is a sign of the crack in race relations especially btw whites and blacks. i once lived in a flat of lasy drones. nobody wants to sweep the kitchen or clean the bathroom. i did it. it wasn't hard, i could do it daily if i had the time. no worries. but when i found myself in a flat with whites, i decided not to volunteer too much again because those guys will tend to look at me as if i was supposed to do it since i'mnot only black but also african. so i had to stop cleaning it everyday to remind them that slavery is over, many of them still dont know. trust me.
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #2 on: December 16, 2007, 03:33 AM »

My problem is, why do black people use the word among themselves?

Toshman, I'm in the U.S
toshmann (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #3 on: December 16, 2007, 09:30 PM »

i may not be able to explain it fully, but let me try. . .
I have a friend here, we call each other mugu. if another person calls me mugu i wont find it funny. also, my name toshmann, my friends in school say i behave like someone who takes weed. they called me toshman and stuck to it. hard as i tried they stuck to the name (i had to change the spelling by adding an extra n at the end) but if someone else called me toshman i wont find it funny. may be same thing applies to blacks calling themselves nigger.
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #4 on: December 16, 2007, 10:39 PM »

 Smiley :)I get your point but Mugu (meaning stupid) can be used to define anyone, it's not specific to a race. When the N word is in reference it's specific to the black race. It wasn't blacks that came up with the word, was it? I won't have any problem with it if we came up with the word ourselves.
toyinrayo (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #5 on: December 16, 2007, 10:44 PM »

why? indeed  Huh
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #6 on: December 16, 2007, 10:51 PM »

Quote from: toyinrayo on December 16, 2007, 10:44 PM
why? indeed Huh
I don't knowoo  Undecided.
toshmann (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #7 on: December 16, 2007, 11:26 PM »

like i said, i may not be able to explain it fully but i just tried unsuccesfully. i dont mind being called a nigger by a black person in private but i wont find it funny to be addressed as a nigger publicly, wether by a black man or not.
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #8 on: December 16, 2007, 11:51 PM »

ok Smiley Smiley Smiley
Hero (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #9 on: December 18, 2007, 12:48 AM »

African-Americans do not call each other "Nigger", the term they use is slightly different. It's "Nigga". Although it may look like basically the same thing, it's not in the minds of many AA who engage in such actions. Even amongst friends one does not refer to each other as a "Nigger" unless they want trouble. "Nigga" is cool though. I've notice that alot of African who are new to the states have a problem grasping that concept.
ogrebuga (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #10 on: December 18, 2007, 12:55 AM »

Quote from: stillwater on December 16, 2007, 03:33 AM
My problem is, why do black people use the word among themselves?

Toshman, I'm in the US

Nas said the same thing, then released an album titled 'Nigga' right after! Cheesy
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #11 on: December 18, 2007, 04:23 AM »

 Smiley :)To Hero,

Ok educate me, the word nigga was derived from what (I hope it's not nigger)?
I watched a comedy-"Girlfriends". A white woman was in a black salon and a rap song was being aired on radio. Everyone was rapping along with the song including the white woman and the word "nigga" not nigger (which is cool to say as Hero wrote) was echoed by the white woman. But to my amazement everyone turned against the woman, wanting to lynch her. Now tell me since nigga is different from nigger, why did they feel ridiculed?

Hero (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #12 on: December 18, 2007, 05:52 AM »

Quote from: stillwater on December 18, 2007, 04:23 AM
Smiley :)To Hero,

Ok educate me, the word nigga was derived from what (I hope it's not nigger)?
I watched a comedy-"Girlfriends". A white woman was in a black salon and a rap song was being aired on radio. Everyone was rapping along with the song including the white woman and the word "nigga" not nigger (which is cool to say as Hero wrote) was echoed by the white woman. But to my amazement everyone turned against the woman, wanting to lynch her. Now tell me since nigga is different from nigger, why did they feel ridiculed?



Because African-American law has ordained that neither Nigger nor Nigga is be uttered out a white person mouth in the presence of blacks. That's why. Simple as that.  Some Hispanic groups get a pass on the word since many of them are partially black and or fully so, and we've grown up in the same neighborhoods and went through many of the same experiences in life her in America. Some particular types of Asians get a pass as well.  Cheesy
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #13 on: December 18, 2007, 07:04 AM »

 Cheesy to Hero
When was this law ordained? Is the law in the US constitution? Or is it just a mere silent pact between African Americans that the world don't know about? Remember African Americans are not the only blacks in the world. Oprah Winfrey said herself that when she went to South Africa, her bodyguard was addressed by a white bodyguard in friendship as hey nigga. Let me tell you, the world know no jack about this "ordained law". So anytime you travel out of the US don't feel bad if you're addressed as such because rap has done a very good job in propagating the cool word to the world that know nothing about the "ordained law". Smiley
almondjoy (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #14 on: December 19, 2007, 06:18 PM »

That word "nigger" is a word I do not understand what the hype is all about.  It is just a word and means a lot to some people.  I wonder why.  Maybe because it may ring true to their ears.  Personally, it means nothing to me but just a set of sounds coming out of someone's mouth with absolutely no meaning whatsover. Undecided


Quote from: Hero on December 18, 2007, 05:52 AM
Because African-American law has ordained that neither Nigger nor Nigga is be uttered out a white person mouth in the presence of blacks. That's why. Simple as that. Some Hispanic groups get a pass on the word since many of them are partially black and or fully so, and we've grown up in the same neighborhoods and went through many of the same experiences in life her in America. Some particular types of Asians get a pass as well. Cheesy

Your mates are going to the moon and finding cure for illnesses around the world and you are here typing rubbish here about your "nonsensical Nation of Farakhan" laws!  Please begone!

Quit feeling important and thank your lucky stars that Slavery was abolished. You would not be on Nairaland typing all your rubbish.  You should have gone to Liberia when you were offered the chance.  You definitely are making the "abolition of Slavery" sound like a mistake! Embarrassed  Yeye boy!
Hero (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #15 on: December 19, 2007, 08:29 PM »

Quote from: stillwater on December 18, 2007, 07:04 AM
Cheesy to Hero
When was this law ordained? Is the law in the US constitution? Or is it just a mere silent pact between African Americans that the world don't know about? Remember African Americans are not the only blacks in the world. Oprah Winfrey said herself that when she went to South Africa, her bodyguard was addressed by a white boyguard in friendship as hey nigga. Let me tell you, the world know no jack about this ordained law. So anytime you travel out of the US don't feel bad if you're addressed as such because rap has done a very good job in propagating the cool word to the world that know nothing about the ordained law. Smiley

What I've stated on the use of the word is all I will say on the issue. If you want further details of the situation you should contact a fellow AA whom deals casually in its use. I do not do so, though being that I am an AA I know the jest of the situation.
Blackcat (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #16 on: December 29, 2007, 07:39 PM »

Nigga was derived out of Nigger.
Nigger was derived out of Niger (pronounced naija)
Niger pronounced in German language is Nigger. (English is a West Germanic language that originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain by Germanic settlers and Roman auxiliary troops from various parts of what is now northwest Germany and the Northern Netherlands)

It was used by the slave masters to address the slaves that were stolen or sold into slavery because the originated from the Niger Basin. The reddish pink men (whites) had no way of identifying where each slave had been captured from but knowing that most have been captured around the Niger-Delta and the Niger basin, they decided to call them Niggers. It became derogatory when the free borns sold into slavery despised the name because not all were from the Niger Basin (some were from Senegal). It's just like the middle belt (Benue,Niger,Kogi) in Nigeria hate been referred to as Hausa's but that hasn't stopped the South or Western Nigerians (Ibo's and Yoruba's) from calling them Hausa's.
The name Nigger stuck to the slaves thus denying them their identity and with time the names of the countries where they came from was lost and forgotten. New names were given to them and they were stripped of anything that would remind them of exactly where they were from.

A.A hate been referred to as Niggers because it reminds them of slavery and what their ancestors went through.
stillwater (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #17 on: December 30, 2007, 04:09 AM »

Quote from: Blackcat on December 29, 2007, 07:39 PM

A.A hate been referred to as Niggers because it reminds them of slavery and what their ancestors went through.


If they hate it so much they won't use it among themselves.
Blackcat (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #18 on: December 31, 2007, 11:20 AM »

We have never experienced slavery or lived in a racist society (Nigerians born and bred at home) lets not judge our brothers.

However I agree with you
Quote from: stillwater on December 30, 2007, 04:09 AM
If they hate it so much they won't use it among themselves.
the should not be using it at all not even on themselves. They instead should have also formed a word that is derogatory too like we Nigerians use 'Oyinbo pepper' on them.
lazy (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #19 on: January 02, 2008, 03:52 PM »

@poster

I think most use it because they love whatever garbage Europeans give them. I don't get it either.

If you call a child stupid everyday, eventually they will call themselves stupid as well and start to love it.
Blackcat (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #20 on: January 08, 2008, 03:50 PM »

Quote from: lazy on January 02, 2008, 03:52 PM
@poster

I think most use it because they love whatever garbage Europeans give them. I don't get it either.

If you call a child stupid everyday, eventually they will call themselves stupid as well and start to love it.

Word
chiogo (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #21 on: May 05, 2008, 04:00 AM »

Quote from: toshmann on December 16, 2007, 11:26 PM
like i said, i may not be able to explain it fully but i just tried unsuccesfully. i don't mind being called a nigger by a black person in private but i wont find it funny to be addressed as a nigger publicly, wether by a black man or not.
In private?? hahaha, very funny!! that makes no sense! Undecided

Quote from: ogrebuga on December 18, 2007, 12:55 AM
Nas said the same thing, then released an album titled 'Nigga' right after! Cheesy
umm, I believe it was 'Nigger' and not 'nigga'.

@topic, accordin' to them, Nigger is the white man's version but they(blacks) have transformed its meanin' and spellin'. the blacks i hear use it say 'nigga' which means homie, friend, etc but 'nigger' is/was used by whites and is considered racist.

I personally really don't care about the word, i used to care but i got over it. My AA friends use it to me sometimes not in a bad way tho but when talkin' to some other people at a point, i feel like it was bein' used in a bad way. My policy is if u call me a 'nigga', i'll call u a 'nigga' too be it white, black, asian, spanish. It doesn't hurt me Cuz last time i checked, i'm not a nigga. Tongue
Akinagirl (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #22 on: July 21, 2008, 05:01 AM »

@ blackcat
The blacks did come up with derogatory words for white, i.e; red neck, crackers. But they really didn't have time to come up with derogatory words, they were too busy, unlike their white counterparts who had all the time in the world, as slaves did all of the work.
HCH3COO
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #23 on: July 21, 2008, 05:04 AM »

 :-x
Quote from: Hero on December 18, 2007, 05:52 AM
Because African-American law has ordained that neither Nigger nor Nigga is be uttered out a white person mouth in the presence of blacks. That's why. Simple as that. Some Hispanic groups get a pass on the word since many of them are partially black and or fully
This is the most  Lips sealed post I've come cross today.
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #24 on: July 21, 2008, 05:19 AM »


Nas album was originally titled Nigger and not Nigga.

@ topic

That does not make sense to me. Nigger and Nigga to me are one and the same; one is just a derivative of the other. I think it is a matter of who is using the word and who it is addressed to. Even when used amongst the blacks, it does not always connote homie or friend like chiogo mentioned. When somebody says in his music "I ma shoot that Nigga" obviously he is not talking about shooting his homie  Undecided So there seems to be a contextual meaning to it too.

My personal take on the matter is that most of the AA communities  are just confused on the identity they want to be known by. In an attempt to sound cool , they imbibe words that are meant to be derogatory into thier lexicon and when someone else uses it they pretend to be affronted.

If Nigger is a derogatory word used by the whites against the blacks and Nigga is a cool word used by the blacks for the blacks, what about bitches? I have rappers a la other black folks refer to thier girlfriends as thier bitches. And U know what, some of the girls were cool with that. Is the white man responsible for that also? Undecided
Ruby_Pearl
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #25 on: July 21, 2008, 05:22 AM »

Uche2nna, just like your siggy!

Why the word F.UC.K?
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #26 on: July 21, 2008, 05:38 AM »




    Grin Grin Grin Grin
magentam (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #27 on: July 21, 2008, 05:39 AM »

"NIGGER" is highly derogatory! The irony of life is that the African-americans who despise this word,use it the most.Walk ont the streets of Brooklyn and you will hear mothers call their own sons "NIGGER" but when a white man uses this same word,he is almost sued for it. Who is fooling who? If you don't like it,why use it? Some foolish nigerians have adopted this word as a form of endearment (wonders shall never end). Nigger here,nigger there. Even a so called 9ja singer calls himself "Nigga-raw" Inglorious thoughts! Why should you use an accronym that comes close if not to exault the adjective "NIGGER" (Na wa for some Nigerians and their foolish sophistication!) Soon we will get female singers with the name B**TCH all in the name of music abi musician (laughs). Una no go kill me Grin Grin Grin
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #28 on: July 21, 2008, 05:52 AM »

I dont have a problem with an artiste going by the moniker Nigga-raw just like I dont have a problem with Nasir Jones decision to choose Nigger as the title of his album. The word actually has no meaning to me as a person. U call me a Nigger I call U cracker. The only problem I have is when some group of people uses the word and think that there is an unsaid law that prevents a particular group of people from saying it.

I saw a comedy clip the other day and the black comedian was giving out reasons why he would wanna marry a black girl. One of his reasons was that he would want to have a wife who who would look at him in the eye (when he does something stupid) and say "Nigga, please!!!!!! He said and I quote "A white wife uses that on me , then somebody is about to get knocked the fcuk out!!! Grin 

I know it is just comedy but I think it passes some kind of message there.
OrumbaS89 (f)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #29 on: September 13, 2008, 04:21 AM »

Uchenna, why doesn't the n-word not mean anything to you?
MandingoII (m)
Re: Why The Use Of The Word Nigger?
« #30 on: September 14, 2008, 05:03 PM »

the word Negroes came from the word Niger

Which the Whites turned into Nigger.

Which they made it into a NASTY, SUBSUBSERVIENT, LESS-THAN, BARBARIC, SAVAGE term.

It was a way of mistreating people of color.

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some Blacks in America, like the blacks in Africa - began kissing the White man's ass and began using it derogatorily against each other.  (usually the intellectual elites)

today,

you have blacks that (think) they have devalued the word and use is casually.

No matter how much you blend, they call you nigger behind your back.   Please believe.
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