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leoleo
IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« on: January 04, 2008, 02:12 PM »

friends of mine was appointted a state UBE chairman and comissioner of education, i own an IT company in the state. So, im looking for any ICT idea that i will propose to them for consideration. Please if you have any do share it with me.
Seun (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #1 on: January 04, 2008, 02:47 PM »

I propose that contracts should not be awarded to friends and family.  Wait a minute, that's not ICT.
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #2 on: January 04, 2008, 03:08 PM »

If you go through my post you notice i said consideration. If I have an idea that is outstanding can you give me reason why  it shouldnt be approved? just because my friends are that position i shouldnt try my hands on anything there?

Ideas please.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #3 on: January 04, 2008, 04:04 PM »

how about a web app that would enable *those have the ability* to check their results (be it primary, secondary or state university/polytechnics/CoEs)?

how about a web app that would allow state university/polytechnics/CoEs to apply for and possibly receive, their bursaries?

how about for starters a website for your state's ministry of education (from which contracts for perhaps coding the websites of all other ministries could flow)?

or abi, am i over-reaching?
bakenda (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #4 on: January 04, 2008, 05:04 PM »

One-laptop-per-child. See www.olpc.com

Adequate supply of computers to all schools with internet facility.

Special IT training for all teachers to upgrade them on IT.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #5 on: January 04, 2008, 05:20 PM »

bakenda,

as laudible as your project sounds, I must ask if I may, of what use are the laptops if there is no light to power them?  I ask cos in Akwa Ibom State last year, the governor furnished all schools with computers yet they are all sitting there gathering dust.  Why? No light to run them.
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #6 on: January 04, 2008, 06:19 PM »

@my2cent

Your idea about about a web app that would allow state university/polytechnics/CoEs to apply for and possibly receive, their bursaries. Is a good one, but will this portal cover all the universities, polytechs, and CoEs in the country or just for the schs in the state?
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #7 on: January 04, 2008, 06:35 PM »

leo,

Based on your original post, it would apply to the state.   Of course I would imagine that you would make the program flexible and scalable enough so that in the event another state wanted something similar, it would just be a matter of changing the name of the state.  For that matter, you could even build in internationalization so that if Kano state wanted it, text would appear in Hausa or if Anambra state wanted it, text would appear in ibo, etc etc (you get the picture)

I hope this helps.
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #8 on: January 04, 2008, 06:47 PM »

my2cent
What i mean is this- If all the indigence of the state in other universities and polys in other state will use the portal?
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #9 on: January 04, 2008, 07:48 PM »

my understanding of your post was that only those in your state (regardless of state of origin) would use it.  Either way, it still shouldn't be a problem.  Why? You could always add a field in your DB (say, "Indigene" with "Y" or "N" as a field) that indicates whether or not the student is an indigene.

Does this answer your question?
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #10 on: January 05, 2008, 10:22 AM »

@MY2CENT
Your idea about the web app for bursaries application is such a nice one. Im working on the proposal now. And i will make sure you informed about this your idea.

Please if there is any other idea, do share it with me. I just want much ideas to work with so if idea A is not approved then idea B would be.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #11 on: January 05, 2008, 10:55 AM »

nna,

u must to pay for me for the idea wey i give u now.  Remember, any idea wey I give u wey go work, na 10 "pee-cent"  I dey charge o! Tongue
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #12 on: January 05, 2008, 11:42 AM »

@my2cent
LOL,
 Sure thing. I will still fail back to you to help on the implementation if its been approved. Do you have material that will help me in preparing the proposal or do you already have a prepared proposal for this idea?
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #13 on: January 05, 2008, 01:16 PM »

no ya wa.  nothing spoil.

I don't have any materials but off the top of my head, I would google for "sample website proposal" and would add:

1) Timeline: Given a possible large student population, with solid testing, at least 2 months
2) Resources (coders): At least 2 (preferably 4: Designer, developer, tester and DB guy)
3) Pay: Up to you
4) What you will do: Develop a user-friendly, SEO-friendly, lightweight site accessible to registered members
5) Why you are doing this: To make the application process more efficient, thus saving money in the long-run.
6) Give some sort of statistical comparison b/w how much it costs and how long it takes now vs. the site's stats.
7) Based on #3 above, Site must have login authentication
8 ) DB shouldn't be that hard to design.  Probable fields: Full Name, DOB, State, LGA, Sex, Photo (path only), Address
9) Ensure that student brings Certificate of origin and a driver's license for verification on day of collection

If others have anything else to add, please feel free to do so (hey, e b like say by d time wey we post finish, we for don code d site (on paper) for d guy.  This could be our own case study  Tongue))
bakenda (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #14 on: January 08, 2008, 04:57 PM »

my2cents,
Obong,I've been out of cybertown for sometime,just seeing your post.
NEPA or is it PHCN is such a pain in the neck of everybody.That's a point,
may be the State should also look into supplying generators along with the PC's
at least for school use.The laptops I believe have some alternative means of power,
could be a sort of advanced educational toys for the kids.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #15 on: January 08, 2008, 05:06 PM »

bakenda,

of course generators (or even inverters) could be purchased but why?  If there are 100 schools in a state, does that mean 100 generators?  Who runs it? Who maintains it? etc.  Besides with diesel at N120/litre (as at December 2007), wouldn't the cost of running those gens far outweigh the benefits of a computer? 

Computers are good.  There is even one site I saw selling $100 laptops.  however, i think the students would be better served in this regard by liaising with a cyber cafe/business center and qualifying for bulk rates.  It would be cheaper to hire (as opposed to it being government run) a private individual's cafe.  The owner would be guaranteed a customer base and the government would not have to spend money on buying a million computers.  A win-win situation in my books.  Students could then be allowed to go to such cafes.  Better yet, private individuals could be encouraged to set up shop in schools.

In my opinion, given our resources, we shouldn't even have to think of a gen, except for emergency situations in the first place, but that's a story for another day.

As always, my 2 cents.
bakenda (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #16 on: January 08, 2008, 05:31 PM »

Good idea - if the almighty Government should be run like a
business venture.
Quote from: my2cents on January 08, 2008, 05:06 PM
In my opinion, given our resources, we shouldn't even have to think of a gen, except for emergency situations in the first place, but that's a story for another day.

As always, my 2 cents.
That's just the summary.
The OP doesn't seem to be interested in the idea anyway.
webguru
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #17 on: January 08, 2008, 05:55 PM »

it is nice to see this been discussed as i and my partner were working on something like this

i can't speak fully cos its kinda of been kept underground but a lot of work is been done on it

there are a lot of it projects you can do regarding education

pls mail segebee1@yahoo.co.uk

@my2cents if u nid help; ja mi si Wink

chao
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #18 on: January 08, 2008, 06:10 PM »

@mycent
I most confess that your posts are great. I look forward working with you. Im still working on the proposal.
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #19 on: January 08, 2008, 07:23 PM »

@my2cent
The portal for the state ministry of education, can you help with a list of its useabilities/functionality.
Im also working on that one as well?

Thanks
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #20 on: January 08, 2008, 08:52 PM »

Off the top of my head:
1) Submit Bursary Application
2) Check Bursary Application Status
3) Weather Forecast
4) Ability to Personalize
5) Login area
6) Check SSCE results
7) Apply for/Check First School Leaving Certificate results
8 ) Check Secondary School Placement
9) Check state university placement
10) Profile section that lists everything including school of user
11) Poll section
12) Forum
13) FAQ
14) Contact us
15) Message from Commissioner and Perm sec
16) Stats on number of students (divided into primary/sec/uni) in the state
17) Announcements (Check your results, etc)
18) List of schools of each level, complete with names of principal employees (principal, vp, etc)
19) Internationalization (limited to your local language and maybe french for francophone countries)
20) Some kind of yardstick section which measures, say, contracts awarded vs completion


Based on what you are developing in, these sections could be scoped into portlets.  One thing is for sure though, this won't be a walk in the park.  To be done properly, it will take a long time and a lot of work.  Depending on time constraints, you might want to look at dividing the project into phases.  So for example, phase 1 could be a basic website (contact, about us, schools, etc) with functionality added over time.  Knowing how you guys operate over there, I wouldn't be surprised one person will probably be doing everything from start to finish in 2 weeks  Tongue

I hope this helps.
Kobojunkie
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #21 on: January 09, 2008, 12:56 AM »

wHAT IN THE WORLD IS ube?? Instead of asking for ideas how about you give it to some persons who already have ideas and can do a better job if the case?? I am sick and tired of clicking on Nigerian sites that are poorly designed and can't even pass for mere decoration.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #22 on: January 09, 2008, 03:42 AM »

so I am looking at UBE's website: http://www.ubec.gov.ng/ and it says the following:

Quote
THIS SITE HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR NON-PAYMENT. TO PAY OR PURCHASE THIS SITE

Chei!  Na wa o!!  How many millions were thrown down the drain for that one?
Kobojunkie
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #23 on: January 09, 2008, 04:51 AM »

Quote from: my2cents on January 09, 2008, 03:42 AM
so I am looking at UBE's website: http://www.ubec.gov.ng/ and it says the following:

Chei! Na wa o!! How many millions were thrown down the drain for that one?


eeeeewwww. You should have put a warning sign right next to that link. My Gosh!!! that is some horrible site with all that green and nothing more but green. What is the fascination with green by the way ?? Most every other Nigerian site is all shades of green and worse, some puke green and nothing more. You would almost think there is a law that all Nigerian sites must have some element in green in them. Please, use the color GREEN LIGHTLY people!!! sheesh!!! Even the pictures are sort of green!!
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #24 on: January 09, 2008, 12:02 PM »

LOL kobo,

u hv an eye for details.  I noticed the overall green but not the green in every single photo in the header (Well, except the one where the teacher is standing over his student  Tongue) LOL.

good one!
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #25 on: January 09, 2008, 06:04 PM »

Quote from: my2cents on January 08, 2008, 08:52 PM
Off the top of my head:
6) Check SSCE results
7) Apply for/Check First School Leaving Certificate results

Would they need the regular WAEC and NECO scratch cards for the results.

Thanks for previous posts.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #26 on: January 09, 2008, 06:36 PM »

I am not in Nigeria and don't know how the system works.  That is up to you to find out from the powers-that-be.  One thing is for sure though - this will be a large undertaking and it will probably be best for you, like google (where everything is in beta Tongue), to release functionality in stages.
Kobojunkie
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #27 on: January 10, 2008, 01:44 AM »

Quote from: leoleo on January 09, 2008, 06:04 PM
Would they need the regular WAEC and NECO scratch cards for the results.

Thanks for previous posts.


Ask Waec if they have available a sort of webservice to provide you access to the results when they are available for download. If Waec says no, there you have a chance for more business, propose to build such for Waec. Basically Waec can provide each student with a specific ID and a password be sent to the students by email or by mail once the results are released. Your site can hook up to this webservice when a user logs in with the right information to download the students information which you can display for them to see. 

I would like to be involved in creating/building such a solution for waec or anyone else who decides to do it as we are long overdue for such.
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #28 on: January 10, 2008, 09:04 AM »

Quote from: Kobojunkie on January 10, 2008, 01:44 AM

Ask Waec if they have available a sort of webservice to provide you access to the results when they are available for download. If Waec says no, there you have a chance for more business, propose to build such for Waec. Basically Waec can provide each student with a specific ID and a password be sent to the students by email or by mail once the results are released. Your site can hook up to this webservice when a user logs in with the right information to download the students information which you can display for them to see. 

I would like to be involved in creating/building such a solution for waec or anyone else who decides to do it as we are long overdue for such.
I love your idea, is very impresive. But the problem will be if Waec will buy such idea.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #29 on: January 10, 2008, 11:09 AM »

leoleo,

how wd u know if they will buy if u dont ask?  u want those of us abroad to borrow money, fly down to Nigeria and come and do things for you?  Is that what you mean when you say, "you guys abroad should come back home and contribute"?  Tongue

Seriously though, try to live by these 2 mottos: "Impossible is Nothing (adidas)", "Just do it (nike)" and "it is better to try and fail than not to try at all".  Give it a try (instead of asking to try), you never know. Isn't that the purpose of your proposal/feasibility study? Wink
leoleo
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #30 on: January 10, 2008, 12:07 PM »

@my2cent

I'm getting more impressed and motivated. But the is so much work to be done here (more proposals written).
Ok, let me give it a shot from my angle.

What then should i propose to WAEC? just a bulk login access for schools or state ministry of education from a private portal? Or do you have ideas of what to propose? Please if any lets works a team you never can tell.
my2cents (m)
Re: IT Idea For UBE And Ministry Of Education
« #31 on: January 10, 2008, 12:30 PM »

leo,

Listen to Kobo.  He spoke very well.  There's nothing more I can add to that masterpiece  Cool
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