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romeo (m)
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It shouldn't matter whether he is African American or not. Just be proud he's a black man well, part black and he's doing this well. At least pour first lady is will be black definately.
This your last post is totally acceptable  |
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lazy (m)
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Isn't it very telling that it is a man who is the son of an African, who has the most realistic shot at the Whitehouse of all the Blacks that have tried, as much as I would love it, its sad too that he's not African American.
This is silly, so if Rudy Giuliani becomes president then it will be an European in office and not a European American since he comes from Italian parents? I guess he is not White!! LOL! African American is not a group of people LOL! It is a culture but not a group of people, There is no way to tell by DNA that you are an African American. |
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londoner
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@ Lazy, I don't think you get what I mean, I am happy that he is a Black man yes, but just as some people here were explaining the history of Black Americans in America and ON AMERICAN SOIL. IE slavery, civil rights movement, segregation, I would be even happier if it was a descendent of those first African Americans who had the most realitic shot at the presidency. Considering their historical struggle in America, literally blood sweat and tears.
There is a difference between the history of the African African experience as a community and the experience of a recent African immigrant to America, the dynamics within the country is different and has different historical implications for African Americans, thats my point. To see an African American president descended of the early African slaves on US soil, would be much more of a sign of real progress. In my view at least.
My point was not that Obama is not a Black candidate, but that his history on American soil differs from most other AA's.
I still want to see him as president though.
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Hero (m)
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@ Lazy, I don't think you get what I mean, I am happy that he is a Black man yes, but just as some people here were explaining the history of Black Americans in America and ON AMERICAN SOIL. IE slavery, civil rights movement, segregation, I would be even happier if it was a descendent of those first African Americans who had the most realitic shot at the presidency. Considering their historical struggle in America, literally blood sweat and tears.
There is a difference between the history of the African African experience as a community and the experience of a recent African immigrant to America, the dynamics within the country is different and has different historical implications for African Americans, thats my point. To see an African American president descended of the early African slaves on US soil, would be much more of a sign of real progress. In my view at least.
My point was not that Obama is not a Black candidate, but that his history on American soil differs from most other AA's.
I still want to see him as president though.
I see what you're saying and I agree, though perhaps this will be a solid break through to that happening in the very near future. Now on a second note, Obama's wife, Michelle, is a full blown African-American women descended of slaves and all and she plays a large part in Obamas planing and overall operations. She's an extremely smart and knowledgeable women, reminiscent of another Condi Rice and she, I suppose, will play a significant part in Obamas operations if he becomes president. So having her as the first lady would be nearly as significant as having her as the president itself. Obama may not be a full-blown African-American in the thought-after sense, though in all the other ways that really count, he is (socially, culturally). |
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lazy (m)
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@ Lazy, I don't think you get what I mean, I am happy that he is a Black man yes, but just as some people here were explaining the history of Black Americans in America and ON AMERICAN SOIL. IE slavery, civil rights movement, segregation, I would be even happier if it was a descendent of those first African Americans who had the most realitic shot at the presidency. Considering their historical struggle in America, literally blood sweat and tears.
There is a difference between the history of the African African experience as a community and the experience of a recent African immigrant to America, the dynamics within the country is different and has different historical implications for African Americans, thats my point. To see an African American president descended of the early African slaves on US soil, would be much more of a sign of real progress. In my view at least.
My point was not that Obama is not a Black candidate, but that his history on American soil differs from most other AA's.
I still want to see him as president though.
I feel ya and understand, but it is funny we don't hear this same conversation from the Europeans. I mean I just used the Guliani as an example because I don't think people are going to say that his ancestors came after the slavery so he is not a European American now and different. I thought this thread from the start is dumb because for girl22 to say that people on the African continent haven't done anything she is basically talking about herself if she is an African American. Whatever African Americans want to say," I got Indian in my family" but when asked what tribe, people have no idea LOL!, they are mostly African, so to talk negative about Africans is to negative about yourself. |
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Blatant
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@ Lazy, I don't think you get what I mean, I am happy that he is a Black man yes, but just as some people here were explaining the history of Black Americans in America and ON AMERICAN SOIL. IE slavery, civil rights movement, segregation, I would be even happier if it was a descendent of those first African Americans who had the most realitic shot at the presidency. Considering their historical struggle in America, literally blood sweat and tears.
There is a difference between the history of the African African experience as a community and the experience of a recent African immigrant to America, the dynamics within the country is different and has different historical implications for African Americans, thats my point. To see an African American president descended of the early African slaves on US soil, would be much more of a sign of real progress. In my view at least.
My point was not that Obama is not a Black candidate, but that his history on American soil differs from most other AA's.
I still want to see him as president though.
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londoner
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Well, to me he is Black and White. I don't think a child be belong to a totally different race to its parents.
As far as America's definition of Black (one drop rule), he is Black.
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Blatant
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he is white then. He has white blood in his veins
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Hero (m)
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he is white then. He has white blood in his veins
So what, that proves nothing. Damn near half the African-American population has some European mixture extending from some distant and or rather recent period of time. No big deal, no one really cares about that mixture, it's unimportant to us. As far as most African-Americans and Americans in general are concerned, he's just a regular ol black dude just as Halle Barry is a regulare ol black women, despite her mother being white. She, associates as an African-American/black woman, as Obama associates as an African-American/black man. It's all good. |
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Ndipe (m)
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Oh well, the truth is that obama is half-black, half-white. Since his dad was black, yeah, he is considered a black man, but the reverse would have been the case if his mom was black.
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londoner
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@ Blatant, yes, it is possible for a person to belong to more than one race. This is an African site, I don't think anyone here is about to reject the son of an African man from our race just because his mother is White, former president of Ghana Jerry Rawlings, also has a White mother.
Obama has both Black and White blood. If having White blood means you are not black, then there are whole lot of people parading as Black when they're not Black at all. Many people out there have mixed blood in varying degrees.
I don't mean to be forward, but do you live in a country where Black people have hangups about biracial people, its just something I'm sensing. It almost seems like you are adverse to the idea of Obama also being of Black heritage.
Come on, he is the son of an AFRICAN MAN.
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Hero (m)
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Oh well, the truth is that obama is half-black, half-white. Since his dad was black, yeah, he is considered a black man, but the reverse would have been the case if his mom was black.
@ Bolded No, it wouldn't. That's an African tradition and not an American, it doesn't work like that over here. If you have a black parent, then you are generally looked at and accepted as just being black or African-American by most. It doesn't matter if the black parent is is the mother or the father. Case in point: Countless numbers of African-American women were impregnated by slave masters during the slavery period, do think the offspring were considered white simply because the father was white? HELL NO, they were simply seen as just "High Yella Niggas", fit for house duty. |
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wendymanda
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So what, that proves nothing. Damn near half the African-American population has some European mixture extending from some distant and or rather recent period of time. Cheesy No big deal, no one really cares about that mixture, it's unimportant to us. As far as most African-Americans and Americans in general are concerned, he's just a regular ol black dude just as Halle Barry is a regulare ol black women, despite her mother being white. She, associates as an African-American/black woman, as Obama associates as an African-American/black man. It's all good. Tis true that all African Americans are more than willing to "brag" their European heritage, from being mixed with Irish, Polish to even Cherokee allspice and the works. However to say that it is unimportant to them is underplaying the truth. If it was so unimportant why do people try everything to bring it up in every conversation look at Facebook. Any how Halle Berry as I have noticed countless times never calls her self black or African American (Afro American as the crazy Sienfeld guy alls it) but she terms her self colored as if there is any race lacking in color. The only reason these two individuals mentioned by Hero get any attention is becuase of their mixture with the white race as they are less intimidating now. Look how Beyonce keeps getting more flourescent like a light bulb and the lighter she gets with her lions mane getting longer the more she is recognized. Even Rhiana is stepping in the same flourscent path. My point is that Obama's mixture is critical and his marriage to his wife might be political. If his wife was white he would not be getting black votes, already some blacks claim Bubba sparks has more black than Obama. In the case of his wife being white he would be considered a total sellout. |
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Ndipe (m)
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My point is that Obama's mixture is critical and his marriage to his wife might be political.
Dude, are you kidding? Do you even realize that they had been married long before he jumped into the political race? Please rethink your notion.
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wendymanda
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So you think that just becuase someone becomes a politican after they got married means they were not thinking about politics. Bill Clinton started thinking about politics when he was in the 9th grade and went to a political event where Kennedy was. Just becuase you want to be apart of politics doesn't mean you delve into it.
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londoner
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I have to disagree and agree at the same time. I don't believe Obama's marriage is a political move, even if it does help prevent people seeing him as a sellout. Martin Luther King was married to a Black woman, if he was married to a White woman, he would have been seen as a sellout too, but does that automatically mean that his marriage was political?
I just think it goes more towards Blacks in America being suspicious of the motives mixed race people or even lighter skinned people. Its more of a reflection on the people debating his marriage rather than the marriage itself.
For example you mention Beyonce and Rihanna, both light skinned people who under light will get lighter I mean thats just scientific, light reflects light. If you shine a light on a light person, they will look lighter. As far as the weaves, black woman have been wearing weaves in the media way back since the supremes, tina turner etc. There are very few Black entertainers in any sphere who do not wear weaves/wigs or imitate straight hair, let alone the average Black woman in the street.
I think if we are going to start pointing fingers we need to take a look at the whole picture, instead of picking one or two scapegoats, just because they happen to be the reigning r&b starlets of the moment.
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wendymanda
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For example you mention Beyonce and Rihanna, both light skinned people who under light will get lighter I mean thats just scientific, light reflects light. If you shine a light on a light person, they will look lighter. As far as the weaves, black woman have been wearing weaves in the media way back since the supremes, tina turner etc. There are very few Black entertainers in any sphere who do not wear weaves/wigs or imitate straight hair, let alone the average Black woman in the street. The Obama marriage thing might have been a stretch on my part to get a debate (which I got), however the Beyonce, Rhiana thing is real. If you check Beyonce's old stuff she was not this bright. Even Whitney in the 90s got criticized for getting lighter with newer videos. There is nothing scientific about this except that people think anything white or closer to white is right. Which other huge R&B star do you want to discuss, that is huge. Even Kelly who I thought was cool went and lengthened her hair and put on lighter contacts. Scientifically she now has more white apeal so maybe she is prettier. You judge. |
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londoner
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If Bright lights are shined unto the face of a light skinned person, they will look lighter. It is a trend in the entertainment business of late, but not a creation of the artists in question IMO. Photographs are also touched up after the shoot, often being lightened by the magazine editors ( or whoever it is who touches up the final prints). The same way that they airbrush everything else.
I don't think it warrants those celebrities to be criticised for what some one is doing in their job, sorry.
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WesleyanA (f)
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It's lame for an african to go abroad and start looking down on african americans. for those who are guilty of this, let's stop with the condescending attitudes please.
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khai_khai (m)
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It's lame for an african to go abroad and start looking down on african americans. for those who are guilty of this, let's stop with the condescending attitudes please.
Not hating. I just wish most of them would make good use of the opportunities in their country. Stop the idleness, laziness, killing themselves then go out and get a job. It's official, statistics showed that where I live, majority of the blacks who participated in last caucus vote were illiterate. |
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bebure (m)
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I don't like this whole bashing of Africans by African Americans and vice versa. It's unhealthy. We should try to work together to find solutions to our problems and not talk about who has achieved more. While I agree college is not neccessarily a prerequisite for success,we really should try to get our facts straight before posting, George washington Carver did go to College, in fact he went to two of em, Simpson College and Iowa State Agricultural College. Donald Trump also went to college, Fordham College for a while and then he transferred to the prestigious Wharton School of Business where he got a degree in economics.
I don't doubt that there are many hard working African Americans who have contributed greatly to the world just the same way I don't doubt Africans have contibuted. And I have been proud of all their accomplishments myself. However, when you try to turn it into who has invented more things between Africans and African Americans you are causing more separation between us than there need be. Finally, while its a great thing that our fellow blacks have contributed greatly to humanity in the past, I think we need to focus more on what we are going to contribute to this world as individuals, okay?
Let's try to work together and stop all this hateful bashing, it's unhealthy.
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Hero (m)
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Not hating. I just wish most of them would make good use of the opportunities in their country. Stop the idleness, laziness, killing themselves then go out and get a job.
It's official, statistics showed that where I live, majority of the blacks who participated in last caucus vote were illiterate.
You're a lying ass. Post up documentation of this so called statistical evidence. Where do you live, I'll go search for it my self if you'D like. |
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na2day? (m)
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it is funny how easily african americans will quickly claim africans don't have respect for them but often forget they started it. they are quick to call africans AIDS people, poor, breast dragging folks and all kinds of mean and hateful words. please, if a mexican/latino can come here as an illegal immigrant but still make a life for themselves, why on God's own earth should i have any kind of respect whatsoever for an akata that we rather beg for 25cents on the streets or steal or commit a crime of some sort. abeg make we hear word
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merge (f)
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Tis true that all African Americans are more than willing to "brag" their European heritage, from being mixed with Irish, Polish to even Cherokee allspice and the works. However to say that it is unimportant to them is underplaying the truth. If it was so unimportant why do people try everything to bring it up in every conversation look at Facebook. Any how Halle Berry as I have noticed countless times never calls her self black or African American (Afro American as the crazy Sienfeld guy alls it) but she terms her self colored as if there is any race lacking in color. The only reason these two individuals mentioned by Hero get any attention is becuase of their mixture with the white race as they are less intimidating now. Look how Beyonce keeps getting more flourescent like a light bulb and the lighter she gets with her lions mane getting longer the more she is recognized. Even Rhiana is stepping in the same flourscent path. My point is that Obama's mixture is critical and his marriage to his wife might be political. If his wife was white he would not be getting black votes, already some blacks claim Bubba sparks has more black than Obama. In the case of his wife being white he would be considered a total sellout.
I guess someone is hating because a VERY successful black man married a BLACK WOMAN lol Oh I sorry she is not white  |
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KB1 (m)
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Damn, this was a good thread. That Hero dude was one of the best posters on this site ever had. I wish he'D come back and post some more.
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Ifygurl
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I'll name one for the person who did this Topic.
The Internet your using. The way you are connected to other computers around the world is created by An African. Phillip Emeagwali.
He was labeled the Father of the Internet. Do you see us Africans boosting about him? It ain't our black asses that created it but phillip only. I don't remember the whole African people behind him helping him create that. That's why Africans don't take credit for what he did. We say he created it. Poster, Did you create any of those stuff you mentioned? I don't think so and your ancestors created that when technology was coming to America. Phillip created this also in America but he started it in Africa when techonoly was reaching africa. And last i remember, alot of Africans are also in the scientist and inventor jobs in America. Who knowns more people like Phillip will come out
Do you see Africans yelling and screaming because they put his achievements in creations done by African-americans.
Bitching and Moaning over the stupidest stuff is the reason Black people are always fighting.
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