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pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #32 on: January 10, 2008, 09:26 AM »

Let me borrow a few lines from yours and then ask the poster a question:

Quote from: akpanbaba on January 09, 2008, 07:45 PM
Come,who will embrace religion that is oiled by blood?.is it the brother of GIDEON  Akaluka who was abducted from police station and beheaded for driving over a copy of koran?.is it the son of Harison who was burnt alive in rigasa village,kaduna?.or the relations of those pastors who were killed in Maiduguri because of cartoon in DENMARK?OR those who witnessed the burning of over 100 churches in kaduna in 1991?

Now @ife-eco, I didn't want those lines to come from me, and it didn't take too long before someone else made that erudite observation. You cannot deny they are FACTS!! Only a shameless fool with a wicked conscience will deny them!

Here's my question: are such things the sort of things that will make you be proud to proclaim that Islam is the "fastest growing religion"?

Just making the claim of "fastest growing" and rejoicing in the conceit of such wickedness does not help anyone marvel at Islam! It is being exposed daily for the fraud and wickedness that it actually is - and that is why we probably do not find Muslims visiting this thread to reconcile their "peaceful" religion with the hideous facts!!
ife-eco-06 (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #33 on: January 10, 2008, 06:13 PM »


@AKPAMDO OR WHAT DO You CALL YOURSELF
 ME, FANATIC?Huh??  THIS IS ANOTHER AREA YOU THESE MISGUIDED FOLK HAVE PROBLEM. DID YOU SEE THE THREAD "ISLAM,THE RELIGION OF DOOM'' STARTED BY A CHRISTIAN.IF I AM A FANATIC FOR POSTING THIS THREAD(a thread that only tries to drive home the point that Islam is being accepted all over the world despite the overt and covert plots against it) THEN YOUR BROTHER THAT CALLS ISLAM A RELIGION OF DOOM MUST BE SUFFERING FROM HALLUCINATION. AND YOU THAT SEE MY HUMBLE WORK AS FANATICISM REQUIRES URGENT PSYCHIATRIC ATTENTION( I can refer you to Prof. Roger,my former VC @OAU).

I PRAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU ARIGHT BECAUSE I SWEAR BY GOD ALMIGHTY THAT IF YOU DIE IN YOUR CURRENT STATE(A NON-MUSLIM) YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED TO HELLFIRE,WHOSE FUEL IS MEN AND STONES ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT(For this you can call me a fanatic,but I'm sure I'm not.I'm only saying what I'm sure of)
+osisi
Re: Muslim Converts
« #34 on: January 10, 2008, 06:24 PM »

ah-mad-dudu-lie
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #35 on: January 10, 2008, 06:39 PM »

Quote from: ife-eco-06 on January 10, 2008, 06:13 PM
ME, FANATIC?Huh?? THIS IS ANOTHER AREA YOU THESE MISGUIDED FOLK HAVE PROBLEM. DID YOU SEE THE THREAD "ISLAM,THE RELIGION OF DOOM'' STARTED BY A CHRISTIAN.IF I AM A FANATIC FOR POSTING THIS THREAD(a thread that only tries to drive home the point that Islam is being accepted all over the world despite the overt and covert plots against it)

1. Dont be overly deluded. There are NO plots whatsoever against islam. But for its predilection for violence and bloodshed it would long have been relegated to the dustbin of history.

2. More than ever your post merely drives home the point that Islam is a religion for the violent, the intolerant and the demonic. Did you see how that list you were waving without shame was littered with murderers, rapists and the scum of the earth?

3. Rather than whine about worldwide plots against islam please address the open and aggressive attempt at silencing other religions by islam.

Quote from: ife-eco-06 on January 10, 2008, 06:13 PM
THEN YOUR BROTHER THAT CALLS ISLAM A RELIGION OF DOOM MUST BE SUFFERING FROM HALLUCINATION. AND YOU THAT SEE MY HUMBLE WORK AS FANATICISM REQUIRES URGENT PSYCHIATRIC ATTENTION( I can refer you to Prof. Roger,my former VC @OAU).

I PRAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU ARIGHT BECAUSE I SWEAR BY GOD ALMIGHTY THAT IF YOU DIE IN YOUR CURRENT STATE(A NON-MUSLIM) YOU WILL BE CONDEMNED TO HELLFIRE,WHOSE FUEL IS MEN AND STONES ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT(For this you can call me a fanatic,but I'm sure I'm not.I'm only saying what I'm sure of)

When will allah guide you to his hatman decree in Sura 17:91?
Bhola (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #36 on: January 10, 2008, 09:13 PM »

A mail from a convert from Islam sent to my pastor in Texas.

Read this:

Its been long time I didn't contact you because of my horrible circumstance in Iran &  my convert ion to Christianity with my family members . they have made so many problem for me even they report me to the court in Iran because of that . I've been watch in past 2 years & life is like hell for me I can't get out of the country . I tried so many times but so far no success , finally  I found some one to take me out of Iran by next week if God want me to get in some where safe I need your , my brothers & my sisters prayers to get to some where safe to do my normal life . I appreciate that I really need that God bless you , my brother & sisters ,

So sad.
+osisi
Re: Muslim Converts
« #37 on: January 10, 2008, 09:19 PM »

Many of them write TBN and CBN especially Muslim women.
Christ is able to save from the very pits of Islam
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #38 on: January 10, 2008, 09:26 PM »

Quote from: Bhola on January 10, 2008, 09:13 PM
A mail from a convert from Islam sent to my pastor in Texas.

Read this:

Its been long time I didn't contact you because of my horrible circumstance in Iran & my convert ion to Christianity with my family members . they have made so many problem for me even they report me to the court in Iran because of that . I've been watch in past 2 years & life is like hell for me I can't get out of the country . I tried so many times but so far no success , finally I found some one to take me out of Iran by next week if God want me to get in some where safe I need your , my brothers & my sisters prayers to get to some where safe to do my normal life . I appreciate that I really need that God bless you , my brother & sisters ,

So sad.


sounds sad but reads more like a fraudster simply looking for a new life in the US. Dubai is relatively closer to Iran . . . why fly halfway around the world to the US for safety?

Besides for someone who is supposedly saved, he talks very little about it.
Bhola (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #39 on: January 10, 2008, 09:27 PM »

Apparently, the guy used to reside in the States and his visa ran out and he had to move back to Iran. It was while he was here, that my pastor preached to him and baptized him. You know, you keep hearing about these things or reading about them, but until it hits home, it becomes really real to you and a very sad situation. So much for a religion of peace.
shawn123
Re: Muslim Converts
« #40 on: January 11, 2008, 10:32 AM »

I HOPE YOUR PASTOR TOLD YOU ABOUT REVEREND KING IN NIGERIA TO? LIAR LIAR , SEE TALES BY MOONLIGHT Grin Shocked
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #41 on: January 11, 2008, 02:07 PM »

@shawn123,

Quote from: shawn123 on January 11, 2008, 10:32 AM
I HOPE YOUR PASTOR TOLD YOU ABOUT REVEREND KING IN NIGERIA TO? LIAR LIAR , SEE TALES BY MOONLIGHT Grin Shocked

I guess you wanted us to see the tales by moonlight in the . . . Qur'an? Or, how do you explain the connection between Islam and the moon? Grin
shawn123
Re: Muslim Converts
« #42 on: January 11, 2008, 02:24 PM »

 Tongue olodo pilgrim, completely out of point? ? is it the king Jones bible you are talking about our pope constantine who invented most of your practice,  Cry
chatykrew (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #43 on: January 11, 2008, 02:40 PM »

@ife

weldone you have quite a long list, you do well,
but wait what makes a christian christian?
is it because you have a CHRISTIAN NAME?
is it because you had a CHRISTIAN parents?
or what,  oh muslim believe that once you are born a muslim you automatically become a muslim??

wel from what i know is A CHRISTIAN is one that believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Died for my sins and the World, Resurected and seated in Heaven, and have the Spirit of God.

that is a christian from what i know,  i can say all those so called christian that converted really did what i did,
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #44 on: January 11, 2008, 02:55 PM »

@shawn123,

How body? Cheesy

Quote from: shawn123 on January 11, 2008, 02:24 PM
Tongue olodo pilgrim, completely out of point? ?

You no know say I be olodo before you posted an irrelvant reply and referred to the previous post as LIAR, LIAR. . ?? Weyin confuse you before? Grin

Quote from: shawn123 on January 11, 2008, 02:24 PM
is it the king Jones bible you are talking about our pope constantine who invented most of your practice, Cry

Lol. . . I am not a Catholic. Cheesy

However, I saw your previous post in another thread on the same concerns. I wasn't going to say anything there; but since this Catholic Pope and Bible mantra is the song that has been deceiving you from investigating your altered Qur'an, I'll promptly go to that thread and post a reply.

Don't go away yet. . . just gee me like 5 minutes and I go dress you up warmly.

Enjoy!! Grin
luvus
Re: Muslim Converts
« #45 on: January 11, 2008, 03:06 PM »

hi bolubunmi

your words are quite funny how can you say this Allah is protecting His religion and propagating it, inspite of unrelenting war being waged by the Western world. when its messengers do the protecting? check this out http://www.domini.org/openbook/pal20030729.htm is allah the people that kill fello human beeings or what?Huh??

think again,
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #46 on: January 11, 2008, 03:12 PM »

Quote from: shawn123 on January 11, 2008, 02:24 PM
Tongue olodo pilgrim, completely out of point? ? is it the king Jones bible you are talking about our pope constantine who invented most of your practice, Cry

Aha! I no see your breaklight again O! Shocked  What's all the disappearing acts that you Muslims put up when called to address simple issues?

Okay, as promised, I might have spent a bit more than 5 minutes. . . no wahala - just go to this thread: (http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-103335.32.html#msg1841960) and read my replies to your post.  I hope you will not be come forward and make your yanga carelessly again if you can't finish a discussion sweetly.

Enjoy.
ife-eco-06 (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #47 on: January 11, 2008, 03:51 PM »

@bhola,

I can't stop laughing!!!!!!!

I pity your pastor. I have received similar mails on at least two occasions.They are fraudsters, wanting to dupe your pastor!!!!!!!

I hope your pastor id not fall prey!!!!!!!!!

Bhola (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #48 on: January 12, 2008, 02:19 AM »

Quote from: ife-eco-06 on January 11, 2008, 03:51 PM
@bhola,

I can't stop laughing!!!!!!!

I pity your pastor. I have received similar mails on at least two occasions.They are fraudsters, wanting to dupe your pastor!!!!!!!

I hope your pastor id not fall prey!!!!!!!!!



You don't get it, the guy is not someone that is not known. This is someone that came to the States to go to school and work, his visa expired and he had to move back to his country. He is not asking for money or anything, if you can read well. He does not even want to return to the States, he just want to live in peace with the decision he has taken to follow Christ.

So much for a religion of peace, when a man, has to move his family out of the country, in order to live. Shame on you.
olabowale (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #49 on: January 12, 2008, 09:50 AM »

@Luvus:
Quote
your words are quite funny how can you say this Allah is protecting His religion and propagating it, inspite of unrelenting war being waged by the Western world. when its messengers do the protecting? check this out http://www.domini.org/openbook/pal20030729.htm is allah the people that kill fello human beeings or what???

think again,
Now apply the same to the killings in the Bible parts: Old Testament, Psalms and/ New Testament. Who was doing the killings: The Judeo Christian God(s) or people, prophets and their supporters?  Lets me real here. Please think again, seriously this time!
tina4uj (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #50 on: January 12, 2008, 12:22 PM »

Hello mr poster, I thank My God for people like (wa" SAT GURUNASARAMA) MR MATINE NWAOSU, who was once lost but now found, and who was blind but found, but has came to know that JEsus Christ is Lord!!! through. did u know that your SO CALLED ALLAH IS A BEING WITH 3 HAND AND 2 HEADS? HE IS NEXT TO NEXT AFTER LUCIFER AND LANDER, THEN FOLLOWED BY (allah) all this being are bein of the dark world. so I quess most muslem don't even know what they worship. recieve JESUS AND BE SAVE!!!!!!!!!
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #51 on: January 12, 2008, 03:14 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 12, 2008, 09:50 AM
@Luvus: Now apply the same to the killings in the Bible parts: Old Testament, Psalms and/ New Testament. Who was doing the killings: The Judeo Christian God(s) or people, prophets and their supporters? Lets me real here. Please think again, seriously this time!

another dumb and dishonest cop-out. You are comparing islam's present day evil to killings that took place more than 4000yrs ago?  Shocked
Even as early as a few centuries ago . . . powerful nations of the world propagated their dominance by military conquest over their enemies; the romans, the persians, the babylonians . . . even the hausas and yorubas. The Jews of 4000 years ago were simply doing the same thing!
olabowale (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #52 on: January 12, 2008, 03:23 PM »

Every non muslim has his/her own definition of Allah! They individually, have their discription of the Most Merciful! It is His Mercy being the Most is the reason they have not been destroyed, yet. He feeds them, even though they attach some other thing with Him, or just total deny His existence. Yet, none of what they take instead of Him or along with Him can truly help or harm anything! The sole decision of what a life any would lead, is Allah's alone! No Angel, no Prophet, no son of man, or whatever shares in this! Indeed, no creation can truly utter it! Everyone needs Him, yet He needs no one! This is Allah the Creator of all things.

@Davidylan: Your speeches belong to where it belong to. Say something that makes sense. Just don't attack without a good presentation that will show that there is a thought behind it! I know that you are a one way street man. Please make use of that street. Give us a good argument. I want it to come from you, just one time. Not just the bravado that make no sense, whats so ever! So if the Jews or all of these tribes and nations of people did it and still being done as we speak my the people and nations in power, why the complaint of your man about Islam and indeed why are you complaining? david think, before you respond. Don't just do it, like the Nike commercial.

See I did not yell at you. But I almost did.
olabowale (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #53 on: January 12, 2008, 03:37 PM »

And David: Oun to ba jo oun la fi nwe oun. Aron ope o jo alabawun. It is what is similar to the issue of discussion that I used to illustrate the matter. You will read that I had mentioned the current state of war that we find ourselves, today. However, do you have anything that is relevant to the topic! Okay let me start: My present wives, One Yoruba and the other Ibo were both Christians when I met them. Alhamdulillah, they are both Muslims, today! The ibo woman is totally immensed in it! Surprised? hardly, such is the way of the Most Merciful. He is capable of doing all things!

Am working on some Hausa fathered but other tribes mothered people who know nothing about Islam. I am dialoguing with them, without being overbearing. My process is that they should present their Christianity to me, as if they are selling it. Then they should let me ask questions, and they should try to answer these questions, even if they have to ask for understanding from others, like their Church leaders. That will be fine with me.

We can do this for months and when they realise that they are selling a defective product, then let me present my Islam to them. And they can ask a ton of questions and I will have the same opportunity as to answer or ask my 'Imam,' since I mentioned pastor, for the Christians. This process can drag on for a while, and in the long run,we all have the right to accept or reject! No problem. You and me can do the same, off the Nairaland board! Maybe you can convince me and maybe I will by Allah's will make your heart receive Iddayah; Guidance, that is.
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #54 on: January 12, 2008, 03:47 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 12, 2008, 03:37 PM
And David: Oun to ba jo oun la fi nwe oun. Aron ope o jo alabawun. It is what is similar to the issue of discussion that I used to illustrate the matter. You will read that I had mentioned the current state of war that we find ourselves, today. However, do you have anything that is relevant to the topic! Okay let me start: My present wives, One Yoruba and the other Ibo were both Christians when I met them. Alhamdulillah, they are both Muslims, today! The ibo woman is totally immensed in it! Surprised? hardly, such is the way of the Most Merciful. He is capable of doing all things!

I am not surprised. Such is the way of "official christians" who have no idea of what the bible is all about, who get unequally yoked with islamic sons of belial. Your wives had no choice but be muslims . . . they are married to you. Its not like they had any choice. Such is the way of the most "merciful".
olabowale (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #55 on: January 12, 2008, 03:54 PM »

Davidylan, I know alot of Nigerians who are scared of their Christian parents, because these children have inclinations to becoming Muslims. I have been having dialogues off the board, you know! If +osisi had relaxed, today she will be a Muslim woman. She will be wearing silk Abayas, fancy jewelries and all. But the old traditions of hating Islam, probably because those who are considered muslims in the old country stick to the ribs too much. Its like good food to a hungry folk. And David, shed that facade, and lets talk, man to man, without the whole world knowing your 'Buuziness.'

Be surprised. God Almighty can surprise you. You are just a step away from becoming Muslim. And the senior wife was married to a very influencial Muslim, in Nigeria, for over 25 years, before she became a widow. In all those years she was a christian. So it is not that I did anything, it is just that the time was up. Your time may just be up, if you let you and me talk to each other as friends, off the board. Afterall, you have my information; use it, dave!
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #56 on: January 12, 2008, 04:17 PM »

Alhaji, don't worry. . . . just that i am busy this weekend but i will find time to talk to you one on one. perhaps you will see the folly in islam.
Your senior wife was NEVER a christian, just an official one. A true christian wont break one of the cardinal commandments in the bible . . . wilfully unequaling yoking yourself with an unbeliever.
olabowale (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #57 on: January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM »

She is a Yoruba woman. So we spoke to each other in real Oduduwa tradition. But what about the Igbo Princess, who Allah softened her heart, while she had once hated Islam? She told me that when she hears the call to prayers before she met me, she will have a headache. Just complaining about Islam until  its over. When she sees a person performing ablution, her skin will be crawling and she almost will jump from her skin! All of these were happening in her head, until All Merciful brought her to my life! She wanted to take her Shahadah right there and then! See Allah is Powerful and everything else is weak!

You are right. I am an unbeliever in 3 in 1 god and the shedding of innocent blood to ransome evildoers, who will become good people and do righteous worship and deeds! Wouldn't it be simple enough to justcommand people to worship rightly and do good deeds, instead of just wasting the life of this innocent man, who reluctantly went to the slaughter?Or if you are going to be just, just forgive them all in their evildoing ways, since you required the blood of this innocent lamb!

In short, you will see that it there is any death at all, it has been in vain! The reason is that it does not cover all in their filthy ways, it does not cover any who believes in this slaughter, except the changes his evil way, it does not guarantee Paradise, but maybe heaven to those who believe in the slaughter.

And we realise that in heaven there are Paradise and Hellfire. Which one is the destination of the Christains? Further, we see that apart from just believing in this slaughter, Christians do not have a completely common mode of worship that everyone, every sect, every society follow. So you go as many desired directions as you want for your group! The Aladuras and CAC of Nigeria are very good examples. The Seventh day adventist, Jehovah witnesses and Jesuits are also good examples.

Yes again, am a disbeliever in the death, cross, blood, resurrection,  etc and oh, the diluted/'lost' Bible! But you, davidylan and co are Keferi. That you can not deny! I have a mode of worship, which is salah. There is no Muslim that will say salah is not commanded on him and still remain a Muslim. I have a Jumuah Prayer. No true Muslim can deny its existence and therefore chose another time for its service. I can give you a trillion examples like that; differentiating Islamic ordered premises, and Christianity do as you want, meandering premises!
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #58 on: January 13, 2008, 06:16 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
She is a Yoruba woman. So we spoke to each other in real Oduduwa tradition. But what about the Igbo Princess, who Allah softened her heart, while she had once hated Islam?

Allah softens hearts? Is that why the muslims still have a visceral hatred for the jews for the last 900yrs?

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
You are right. I am an unbeliever in 3 in 1 god and the shedding of innocent blood to ransome evildoers, who will become good people and do righteous worship and deeds!

the islamic penchant for deciet is indeed nauseating. Yes u believe in 1 "god", and so do the hindus and sango worshippers, what is the difference?

You cringe at the "shedding of 1 innocent blood" to ransom evil doers and yet rejoice when suicide bombers shed the innocent blood of thousands just for insulting the "prophet"?
Sir, you are a most dishonest and dishonorable man if i may say so myself.

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
Wouldn't it be simple enough to justcommand people to worship rightly and do good deeds, instead of just wasting the life of this innocent man, who reluctantly went to the slaughter?Or if you are going to be just, just forgive them all in their evildoing ways, since you required the blood of this innocent lamb!

Wouldnt it be simple for allah to merely command that muslim converts to christianity simply re-convert to islam instead of ordering their deaths?
You shed too many crocodile tears for the victory of the cross while ignoring the demonic aspects of your own cult.

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
In short, you will see that it there is any death at all, it has been in vain! The reason is that it does not cover all in their filthy ways, it does not cover any who believes in this slaughter, except the changes his evil way, it does not guarantee Paradise, but maybe heaven to those who believe in the slaughter.

If Christ's death on the cross is in vain, it will be in your life and the lives of all other incorrigible, stone hearted muslims like you.

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
And we realise that in heaven there are Paradise and Hellfire. Which one is the destination of the Christains?

You must be confused. there is hellfire in heaven too?

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
Yes again, am a disbeliever in the death, cross, blood, resurrection, etc and oh, the diluted/'lost' Bible! But you, davidylan and co are Keferi. That you can not deny! I have a mode of worship, which is salah. There is no Muslim that will say salah is not commanded on him and still remain a Muslim. I have a Jumuah Prayer. No true Muslim can deny its existence and therefore chose another time for its service. I can give you a trillion examples like that; differentiating Islamic ordered premises, and Christianity do as you want, meandering premises!

you are a disbeliever in the cross because it makes nonsense of your cult.
Continue your slavery to the devil.
pilgrim.1 (f)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #59 on: January 13, 2008, 06:40 PM »

@olabowale,

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
And we realise that in heaven there are Paradise and Hellfire.

How could both "Paradise" and "Hellfire" be "in heaven"? Undecided

Quote from: olabowale on January 13, 2008, 02:38 PM
Christians do not have a completely common mode of worship that everyone, every sect, every society follow. So you go as many desired directions as you want for your group! The Aladuras and CAC of Nigeria are very good examples. The Seventh day adventist, Jehovah witnesses and Jesuits are also good examples.

Muslims in the different sects of Islam also have diverse modes of worship. Please check with the doctrines of the other Muslim sects that are different from yours, and then I would gladly elaborate if you haven't anything to ponder about.
olabowale (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #60 on: January 14, 2008, 08:15 AM »

@Chatykrew:
Quote
@ife
weldone you have quite a long list, you do well,
but wait what makes a christian christian?
is it because you have a CHRISTIAN NAME?
is it because you had a CHRISTIAN parents?
or what,  oh muslim believe that once you are born a muslim you automatically become a muslim??
wel from what i know is A CHRISTIAN is one that believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Died for my sins and the World, Resurected and seated in Heaven, and have the Spirit of God.
that is a christian from what i know,  i can say all those so called christian that converted really did what i did,
: I have met born Muslims, with full Muslim parentage, still carrying Muslim names, but they are the Chief Keferis of today, in home and abroad.  A good example is Ashimolowo in England. The fakery of that guy. But thats beside the point. Everyone is born a Muslim, because of the Sinlessness of man at birth! This is regardless of the parentage. However, it is the parent that makes that sinless new person, to remain in Islam, even though as he reaches the age of puberty, his deeds are being recorded, or becomes a disbeliever (Keferi). Later on, because of the enviroment that he cultivated his total person, he may die as a believer or a disbeliever (Keferi). And the Muslims believe that your concorted story and positioning of Jesus, as you have defined him above, is a lie. He was his mother's son, though fatherless, but still created by God Almighty, in the same authority that He had in the creation of Adam, then Eve, and all that came before Jesus and after jesus, until the last man!  Jesus did not die and hence no sin of anyone did he absorb. You have to die first before you are resurrected. If you are in a coma, then you are resucitated.

This dude has made heaven looked as if one is in a theater, where there are seating arrangements, in gradation of importance. Heaven is not a theater or the church, where there some who who are seated at the High  table! At least, when you talk about Jesus, you are smart enough to differentiate him from his Creator. Unfortunately, you still have not learnt that he is no son of god, because just do not have any need for one! Having the spirit of god does not make him God. If at all it simply means that God has favored him, and he will not be punished, even though you call him what he is not. He never asked you to call him so! He is free from all that you call him!
goodguy (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #61 on: January 14, 2008, 11:08 AM »

Hey hey!  What happened to the other thread?! Huh
davidylan (m)
Re: Muslim Converts
« #62 on: January 14, 2008, 12:49 PM »

Alhaji . . . two times this question was put across to you . . .

How could both "Paradise" and "Hellfire" be "in heaven"?

Twice, like the hypocrite most muslims are, you pretended not to see it. Can you kindly clarify your earlier statement? Here it is reproduced for you:

And we realise that in heaven there are Paradise and Hellfire.

luvus
Re: Muslim Converts
« #63 on: January 14, 2008, 01:36 PM »

hi

@ola
Everyone is born a Muslim, because of the Sinlessness of man at birth! sorry i was never born a muslim please.

Later on, because of the enviroment that he cultivated his total person, he may die as a believer or a disbeliever (Keferi).

ok if his environment influences him, y not leave him as keferi instead of killing him as muslims do? let him continue in the way he has choosing abi?

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