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toshmann (m)
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abeg wetin be W.A.S.P?
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doyin13 (m)
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@I-man If his strategy of waiting for Super Tuesday worksit would make a mockery of the whole nominating process in my opinion. Iowa and New Hampshire wouldn't be half as important the elections four years hence On Obama-------------I think his major obstacle is the party establishment itself. I don't think the Congressional party feels he can win against any of the Republicans in November. Tragic thing is---------I think they are right  |
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I-man (m)
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@Loyika
The GOP has 2 major camps-fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.Rudy has better chances of winning with the former,Huckabee is strong with the latter.
Huckabee's greatest strenght is with social conservatives who ascribe to his Christianity-themed messages and his populist economic views.
However,even social conservatives are pragmatists.They recognise that the GOP is less popular now than in a long time and that a Huckabee has little chance of beating either Obama or Clinton.Both McCain and Guliani are stronger candidates.What is the point of electing Huckabee to "overturn" Roe v Wade when is going to be slaughtered in the national polls?
For reasons of sheer pragmatism,many social conservatives would rather go for Guliani or McCain than Huckabee.Even Pat Robertson endorsed Guliani!
There are 47 states to go and Guliani leads in many of the big states like NY,California and Florida in the polls I have seen. For now,I still think its between McCain and Guliani,with Huckabee potentially the "surprise" nominee.
As for Romney,he may be the brightest of the whole lot but as ex-Bishop of the Church of Latter Day Saints. . . . . . .how come nobody gives Obama grief for his church?It has some fairly "unconventional" views
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loyika (m)
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@ Toshman W.A.S.P - White Anglo Saxon Protestants (I prefer White Anglo Saxon Pr@cks  but that would be considered a racist statement). |
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I-man (m)
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abeg wetin be W.A.S.P?
White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.They were "born to rule America" Add in a few Jews |
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omoge (f)
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It's either Obama or Mitt. McCain  Hillary |
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Blackcat (f)
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@ Toshman W.A.S.P - White Anglo Saxon Protestants (I prefer White Anglo Saxon Pr@cks but that would be considered a racist statement). And if it sounds racist so what? Who gives a f**k!!!  |
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toshmann (m)
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ahaaaa, W.A.S.P the real establishment that Obama is against huh? these are the people who laid the foundation of the United States via the genocide of native indians and enslavement of imported africans they run the world (not only america). their cousins dey for this side too. . . .they are called. . . white british english |
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I-man (m)
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@doyin13 How does it make a mockery,there are simply more delegates from the bigger states and he doesn't have the money to contest in every state. When I looked at head-to-head polls,Obama and Edwards did better against Republican candidates than Clinton.The Democrat Establishment is simply beholden to the Clintons. I am rooting for Hillary. . . .much easier for Guliani to kick her butts in Nov 2008 Funniest story I heard this week was about the hecklers at Hillary's rallies wearing T-shirts with the inscription,"Iron My Shirt" . . . . . .rumor has it that the Clinton campaign hired them to whip up feminist sentiments |
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moreshow (m)
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Either Mclain, Obama or Clinton win or them no win I no cocnern because na them sabi. How I wish we could all kept a seeled lips to the America election and see what the acclaimed world most powerful and peacekiller country could make of their election, |
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loyika (m)
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I-Man You mentioned NY, Cali and Florida, have you noticed that these are all Liberal states (Even if Arnie won the Guv seat based on pretty much conservative views). Rudy G might get some Cons support, but i ask again, how will he get the Evangelicals on his side  Those guys are fanatical, and won't support anyone that is seen as waivering when it comes to the Gay Marriage stuff (With or with out Roe vs Wade). Rudy will probaly get some states, but if he wins and Hilary gets the ticket for the Dems  THE ELECTION WILL BE BLOODY!! EVen worst than Kerry v Bush!! McCain will pretty much be a concensus candidate, but i doubt the reps will be chuffed to have him as President Most dems would probably vote for him just to rub salt into it |
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doyin13 (m)
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I-Man You mentioned NY, Cali and Florida, have you noticed that these are all Liberal states (Even if Arnie won the Guv seat based on pretty much conservative views). Rudy G might get some Cons support, but i ask again, how will he get the Evangelicals on his side Those guys are fanatical, and won't support anyone that is seen as waivering when it comes to the Gay Marriage stuff (With or with out Roe vs Wade). Rudy will probaly get some states, but if he wins and Hilary gets the ticket for the Dems THE ELECTION WILL BE BLOODY!! EVen worst than Kerry v Bush!! McCain will pretty much be a concensus candidate, but i doubt the reps will be chuffed to have him as President Most dems would probably vote for him just to rub salt into it Is Florida Liberal now and how liberal is NY state anyway. Ny city and state once were in republican hands(still are actually). I guess the congressional seats are a true indication of the political leaning of a state. I think the major issue in Florida and Cali will be the immigration issue for obvious reasons. And McCain I believe is pretty solid as is Romney. So its no Giuliani walk over |
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I-man (m)
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Rudy G might get some Cons support, but i ask again, how will he get the Evangelicals on his side Those guys are fanatical, and won't support anyone that is seen as waivering when it comes to the Gay Marriage stuff (With or with out Roe vs Wade). He doesn't need to get Evangelicals on side.There are enough Evangelicals,like Pat Robertson demonstrated,who think that the most important issues for America are not "moral values" issues like abortion and gay marriage but national security-defeating "Islamo-fascism". That is what Rudy brings to the table.If he gets enough of the independents votes,together with fiscal conservatives,he can win easily.The reality is that its McCain who poses the greatest threat to Guliani,not Huckabee.They are effectively fighting for the same demographics. In a 2 horse race between Rudy and Huckabee,I'm confident Guliani will win handsomely. Huckabee benefits from being the only major evangelical in the race.He has nobody to split the evangelical votes with,unlike McCain,Rudy and Romney who are often fighting over the same demographics.I'm sure the Republican establishment will find a way of stopping of McCain and Huckabee |
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doyin13 (m)
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But is national security and Islamo-fascism still as salient an issue, say four years ago.
Considering the subprime crisis-------i reckon ''its the economy stupid'' that is uppermost on the list of issues
as is the reform of the healthcare system. I would back Romney on that issue.
Unless one considers Immigration a national security issue-----i would include McCain in the list.
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loyika (m)
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Well i guess you are considering the Jeb Bush factor. Compared to other Red Neck states like Texas, Missouri, Missisipi and others, Florida is Liberal, especially going down towards cities like Miami with the Immigrant culture and mixed raced nature of the place. The Floridians  are quite religious (more a a result of Race), but its more a mixed religious setting, with divisions between Catholics (Hispanics) Evangelicals (Mostly Blacks) Protestants andf the JuJu merchants (mostly haitian blacks). Basically, Florida is not as conservative as say Texas. I mean they have Disney Land for petes sakes!! How Liberal can you get. Thats why i mentioned it as being liberal. |
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I-man (m)
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But is national security and Islamo-fascism still as salient an issue, say four years ago.
Considering the subprime crisis-------i reckon ''its the economy stupid''
Actually,that's a significant part of the Huckabee resurgence that people are overlooking.His economic populism resonates at a time of economic uncertainty.I thought the best line Huckabee gave was when he said that the difference between him and Romney was that while he reminds people of their co-worker,Romney reminds people of the boss who fired them. That being said,I think many fiscal conservatives would prefer a Rudy who sounds more knowledgeable about the economy.Rudy simply needs to fine tune his message to include some of the populist rhetoric that will come in handy if the US slips into a recession. |
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I-man (m)
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Well i guess you are considering the Jeb Bush factor.
This is another reason G.W Bush pissed me off.He basically ruined any chances of his more lucid brother ever becoming President.In any other election year,Jeb Bush would have been a shoo-in for the White House. I heard the "Bible-belt" is a reservoir of strip-clubs and teenage pregnancies |
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I-man (m)
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Pretty much what many have been saying on this thread: Where's the Beef? [Andrew Cline]
Here's my insta-theory on Clinton's victory. New Hampshire voters were supposed to reject her because they can see through a phony and she's a phony. But New Hampshire voters are also very well informed on policy.
(Sorry, Michigan, it's true.) There is no question they gave Obama a serious listen. And compared to Clinton, they found him lacking substance. (I heard exactly this on Monday night from voter after voter leaving Clinton's Manchester rally — all of them saying she'D won them over that night.) Clinton ran on policy proposals — not always super-specific — but her stump speeches were more detailed than those of Obama, who offered inspiration but little else. Democrats heard Obama and said, "Where's the beef?" And Clinton was standing there with a big ole rump steak tied around her neck.http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2U4OThkNjI5MWE5ODAyZjkzM2QxYjIxZTZkNGYwY2Q= |
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Aussie (m)
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EVERYBODY WRITE THIS DOWN.
OBAMA WILL NOT WIN THE PRIMARIES LET ALONE THE ELECTIONS ITSELF. WE ARE NO DUMMIES, AMERICANS KNOW THE WAY THEY DO THEIR THINGS.
CELAN AND SEAMLESS RIGGING WITHOUT SUSPICION OR TRACE. NOTE THIS!
SO, DON'T EXPECT ANY MIRACLE THAT OBAMA WILL WIN
HILARY WILL WIN THE PRIMARIES AND LOSS OUT IN THE ELECTIONS THIS NOVEMBER!!!
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I-man (m)
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@doyin13 Depends on the context of the debate. . . . .contrarianism always makes for more lively debating |
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doyin13 (m)
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@doyin13 Depends on the context of the debate. . . . .contrarianism always makes for more lively debating lol. . . contrarianism eh. . . then i reckon you should be holding ''Nader for President'' placards  |
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father ab
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For those who are unaware of the current trend in the american politics, there is a general clamour for CHANGE! The pendulum will therefore either swing to obama because he is a fresher or to hillary because of her gender advantage.
However, since america is not yet ready for a female president based on the realities on ground, i salute the first black president of america!!!
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Drmagic (m)
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i will vote for obama if i have my way.
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davidylan (m)
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This does not completely explain Obama's loss yesterday. Polls still showed that he had most of the male votes sewn up but unlike Iowa, more female votes went to Hillary . . . considering the fact that 57% of all voters where women its easy to see how she won. Besides a lot of the independent voters that the dems expected actually cast ballots for Mccain. |
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nwando
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i will vote for obama if i have my way.
You can pray for him. He has to win. I need him in that white house so that if Mr Nwando does shakara I can at least turn on the TV and cool my temperature ROFL |
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nwando
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I watched Auntie Hil's victory speech,if only I can slap someone over the TV screen.
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nwando
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Now on a serious note,Hillary fought a good fight,I'm happy for her.
Let's see what happens in South Carolina
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A-40 (m)
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Obama all the way he is the Democrats only ticket back in to the white house.
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merge (f)
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Clinton for President !!!
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bluerose (f)
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i hope Obama dosent win, i don't have nothing against him but its time for a woman to win. Its about time a woman shows what she can do for USA. Men have always won the presidential candidate seat and shown they can do something. But now that women can also get that same opportunity, its time for a change. Hillary Clinton had the drive to go for that opportunity and she should show everyone what she is capable of doing. :-)
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