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Kashif (m)
Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« on: January 15, 2008, 09:17 AM »

Hi all,

My brother says he wants to become an auto mechanic (some how advanced since he is an Electrical/Electronic Engr). He has asked me to help him with what it will take to know all he needs especially, as regards advanced troubleshooting of Japanese cars. He really needs to be a resourceful analyst/technician.

I read in a post where Siena was saying something about troubleshooting kits and requirements. Siena, could you throw more light on these details please?

I await the response of knowledgeable nairalanders.

Warm regards Kiss
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #1 on: January 16, 2008, 07:46 AM »

Nairalanders, I am still waiting pleeeeaaaaasssseee
fotodaddy (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #2 on: January 16, 2008, 10:13 AM »

Long long story.

Modern cars have almost all their systems electroniccaly controlled. That way they will always operate at their optimum level. For what your brother plans, he will need to invest some good money (and I mean upto and over 1 million) on what is called diagnostic tools. And this is just the start. With the tools, he will also need manuals and a knowledge of auto mechanics. At the end, he will have to decide on what exactly he intends to focus on because in that business, you can be a jack/master of all but at a very high cost. Each make/model probably requires its own tool. And generic tools that generally "see" many makes/models cannot do all the specifics etc.

I have such a tool and take care of my cars and bike myself. This is the link to the top aftermarket unit for VWs www.ross-tech.com

hope this helps
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #3 on: January 16, 2008, 02:16 PM »

fotodaddy,

Thanks for your reply. I have been to the site and seen the illustrations there.

On the cost, I think my guy should be able to muster that. He is concerned about the specific place to go here in Nigeria to get all the knowledge and manuals/tools he will ever need.

I await more response please.
sultaan (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #4 on: January 16, 2008, 03:48 PM »

Your brother needs to determine if he is going to specialize in a brand, or multiple brands.
For starter he'll need a scanner $60-$500. Check http://www.actron.com/product_category.php?id=249 for info.

The factory service manuals(FSMs) for each brand or a generic e.g Chilton manual for info  http://www.chiltonsonline.com/

Hand tools ;good ones are a little expensive but they come with lifetime warranty(if you can break it return and they'll give you a new one) ~$200-$000's

Pneumatic tools and air compressors `$200-$500

Special tools(balancing&alignment)

Jacks and lifts~$4000 USED

Computer + software might be able to start billing with MSoffice

Then the big one, service parts(filters, fluids,RTV)

Gets updated TSBs(technical service bulletins online).Its a guide to repair problems common to specific models from manufacturers)

I have no idea what I'm talking about, its just based on the setup of small repair shops.
fotodaddy (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #5 on: January 16, 2008, 03:59 PM »

Like I said he will need to focus or is his plan to do all cars?? Whatever the case, I know of a few people/garages that do this kind of thing. But I wonder how many of them will welcome the idea of training a competitor??
Carlosein (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #6 on: January 16, 2008, 04:39 PM »

@poster nice topic.

have always been interested in auto repairs because all these local mechs just seem to always rip you off (don't even mention ladipo).

keep the discourse flowing. Grin
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #7 on: January 16, 2008, 06:51 PM »

Thanks all for your inputs.

@Sultaan, I think those tools will be cheaper here in Nigeria. He will have to place the order for the manufactures' manuals as soon as this is kick-started.

He is interested in Japanese but for the last 30mins, the network did not allow me reach him to know if there are specifics.

@fotodaddy, the guy stays in Aba (Abia state) so the prospective trainer(s) need not fear competition.
Kobojunkie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #8 on: January 16, 2008, 07:25 PM »

Quote from: Kashif on January 16, 2008, 06:51 PM
Thanks all for your inputs.

@Sultaan, I think those tools will be cheaper here in Nigeria. He will have to place the order for the manufactures' manuals as soon as this is kick-started.

He is interested in Japanese but for the last 30mins, the network did not allow me reach him to know if there are specifics.

@fotodaddy, the guy stays in Aba (Abia state) so the prospective trainer(s) need not fear competition.


Hi Kashif,

Please tell your brother to try to get the best equipment possible so that 10 to 15 years from now he is still in business and doing a good job at it. We have so many mechanics out there but if he wants to stand out he can go a step further and offer them excellent quality at affordable prices. I for one have been thinking of investing in a mechanic store in Nigeria that is designed with the same concept as Meineke/Firestones and others here in the USA. Prices are stable and fair, Customers know exactly what they get when they walk through the door, service is best that can be and in no time. It is managed in such a way that there is little or no back log and so people can stop in for an oil change and be done in 30 minutes. They are competitive and clean and the process is sort of computerized which reduces error to a great deal.
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #9 on: January 17, 2008, 11:42 AM »

He wants to be a Toyota specialist. Is there anybody who knows where he could be trained in the east?
Kobojunkie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #10 on: January 18, 2008, 05:21 AM »

He can start by getting books on Toyotas and reading up on the different models, builds and more, I guess.
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #11 on: January 18, 2008, 01:09 PM »

I would love to have addresses, phone numbers, websites or some other specifics. He would prefer to do this in the east.

Regards 2 all.
bawomol (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #12 on: January 30, 2008, 05:39 PM »

it seems nigeria should have more technical institutes like ITT tech
atilla (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #13 on: January 30, 2008, 05:59 PM »

poster   Howfars


I saw this place in VI called The lady mechanic its a n.g.o a charity organisation where they train WOMEN to be proffesional mechanices. im sure if there is something like that for men there might be another one for men.

it was on beside 1004 front gate, i have forgotten the name of the place. maybe if u go there or serach online u might find something like that.

good lcuk
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #14 on: February 04, 2008, 08:09 PM »

If you want to service cars without knowing control systems, then I submit to you that you will limit yourself significantly.  The rest is easy (mechanics) but the control systems is the aspect you need to delve seriously into.  When you have the fundamentals (which should be a breeze to you) then you'll know where to invest and where not to invest.  There are service manuals that you will have to purchase individually.  Yeter-years background will not help you with tomorrows cars if you leave out control systems. 

For Toyota's, the engines are basically the same but different engine control management and minor improvements.  Lexus vary as years go by and more control systems implemented.  Knowing one means knowing all, basically.  I don't know anything about the hybrid because I am not into diesel technology. 

I have some books if you want (some require calculus and linear and others don't).  There is a service manual if you want (one has all the cars you can think about).  I will see what else I can get.  Give me an address and I will have it mailed out to you (if it sounds good to you).
dpresident (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #15 on: February 05, 2008, 02:21 PM »

@ Ivvie.
Please are you a mechanic? If you are one, please send your mail so that we can talk. My mail is talk2dpresident@yahoo.com.
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #16 on: February 05, 2008, 07:39 PM »

No, I am not a mechanic and I don't work on cars.  I just have one or two resources that one may need.  As time pass, you'll accumulate a lot more resources to be able to be on your feet.

I have attached a screen image of a Manual (if that seems interesting), I have a blue print manual for a CAMRY Hybrid and my service manual for Mercedes. 

View the attachment and let me know what's up.  It's a databook and also a good start up.


* DataBook.GIF (81.03 KB, 1214x463 )
sultaan (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #17 on: February 06, 2008, 01:42 AM »

Quote from: bawomol on January 30, 2008, 05:39 PM
it seems nigeria should have more technical institutes like ITT tech

That is what Yabatech and all those techs are for, but its more profitable as raining groung for next generation of assasins, and high class working girls.

No offense intended, you just have to look at what their students are known for.
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #18 on: February 06, 2008, 10:31 AM »

Quote from: Ivvie on February 04, 2008, 08:09 PM
If you want to service cars without knowing control systems, then I submit to you that you will limit yourself significantly. The rest is easy (mechanics) but the control systems is the aspect you need to delve seriously into. When you have the fundamentals (which should be a breeze to you) then you'll know where to invest and where not to invest. There are service manuals that you will have to purchase individually. Yeter-years background will not help you with tomorrows cars if you leave out control systems.

For Toyota's, the engines are basically the same but different engine control management and minor improvements. Lexus vary as years go by and more control systems implemented. Knowing one means knowing all, basically. I don't know anything about the hybrid because I am not into diesel technology.

I have some books if you want (some require calculus and linear and others don't). There is a service manual if you want (one has all the cars you can think about). I will see what else I can get. Give me an address and I will have it mailed out to you (if it sounds good to you).

@Ivvie, please give me your email address so that I can drop my address. My email address is kashimanjero@yahoo.com,  if it is ok by you. Thanks a lot.
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #19 on: February 06, 2008, 02:01 PM »

Quote from: Kashif on February 06, 2008, 10:31 AM
@Ivvie, please give me your email address so that I can drop my address. My email address is kashimanjero@yahoo.com, if it is ok by you. Thanks a lot.

I will drop you an eMail.
toksyb (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #20 on: February 10, 2008, 04:37 PM »

All that sounds real good but with all the expensive equipment you still need education and experience. I am not bashing good  equipment but there is no magic box that can substitute education and experience .
So the questions i pose to you folks
1) Where can one get solid mechanic education in Nigeria? is there a certification program? (like A.S.E. in US)
2) Who are the distributors of auto mechanic tools?(like snap-on or mac-tools in the US)
3) Who are the distributors of OE parts (Original Equipment)?
4) Where can one buy quality Service parts such as filters and fluids e.g. many high end cars only use synthetic engine oil how do you guaranty to are not buying fake?
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #21 on: February 10, 2008, 10:33 PM »

Quote from: toksyb on February 10, 2008, 04:37 PM
All that sounds real good but with all the expensive equipment you still need education and experience. I am not bashing good equipment but there is no magic box that can substitute education and experience .
So the questions i pose to you folks
1) Where can one get solid mechanic education in Nigeria? is there a certification program? (like A.S.E. in US)
2) Who are the distributors of auto mechanic tools?(like snap-on or mac-tools in the US)
3) Who are the distributors of OE parts (Original Equipment)?
4) Where can one buy quality Service parts such as filters and fluids e.g. many high end cars only use synthetic engine oil how do you guaranty to are not buying fake?

What do you mean by "high end" cars and give an example?!

FYI

If you aren't driving an european car (you know what I am referring to), I will submit to you that you are driving a vehicle with obsolete engineering.  The only difference that puts it at par is the engine control systems implemented.  There is nothing new in Mechanics.  The first fuel injection was in a locomotive engine in 1936 (can't remember the model) and was diesel.  The first variable valve train was designed and launchedby FIAT in 1930.  Airbag was in 1963 by Mercedes and the first fuel injection for automotive use was in the late 50's by Mercedes Benz.  Most cars today use direct fuel inject, Multi Port, PFI and so on.  These are old and outdated technology.  Camless Valve Actuation is in place or Dethrottling is for today and it's secluded to what hundred years has given to us.  The only thing different that has been done is the introduction of complex engine management that has been integrated.  Sometimes, I don't see a need for them and I figure maybe in preparation for a Police State (being paranoid).  If you think automotive or today's cars have advance in technology, try aerospace.  You don't look back.

In detailing a vehicle for repairs or maintenance, two phases are put to consideration.  The Mechanical and Control Systems (electrical).  For the Mechanical aspect, you DON'T need to go to school.  The only prerequisite is to know how to turn a wrench.  I know of a girl that work on their own vehicle and a 3 Series convertible for that matter.    I can't guarantee she knows what she does but the technicians at the dealership are no better because they both do the same job description - detect and replace the faulty part(s).  My team of friends fix their cars themselves.  All you need is an automotive workshop manual.

This fellow is a graduate to Electrical Engineering.  It cannot be a hassle understanding the architecture or automotive systems.  It will vary from cars to cars.  He'll have to purchase the necesary software.   If he is smart enough, you can get it off the internet.  ASE is nothing, I won't even have you work on any of my cars.  I will take it to a mechanic with a degree that knows and understands the laws of Mechanics not some high school graduate.

The United States and Nigeria are two isolated countries at two isolated parts of the globe.  What works for the United States may not work for Nigeria.  You cannot mesh the variances in lifestyles and culture and expect to get a desired result.  Quit comparing! Snap On aren't the best tools in the world, it's only branded.  If you fix a car with a set of nonbranded tools, you'd get the same result.  People start up from zero and the variable (in terms of progress) is determination with time being the constant factor. 

Nigeria has synthetic oil.  The Mobil oil in Lagos is engineered using SuperSyn technology.  When I lived in Lagos in the 90's, my Dad used synthetic oil.  So, it is very much available in Nigeria. 

Throw in more support to this fellow and don't put out the candle. 
toksyb (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #22 on: February 10, 2008, 11:48 PM »

I really support Kashif's brother and wish him all the best. I was only posing those questions mainly to be educated.
So if any non-abusive levelheaded folks will answers my question I will be very glad.

@Ivvie
Examples of vehicle are Bentley, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz AMG & Porsche. They all come factory filled with synthetic, and you should stick with it.

You are saying exactly what I am saying There is nothing new in Mechanics but don't you have to know the stuff?
Being an Electrical Engineering is a plus but does not equate to being a mechanic
Here is a story that will explain how valuable education and experience is. 

My Friends check engine light came on. After diagnosis he found it was that two oxygen sensors “blew.” They were the upstream and downstream sensors that indicate how rich or lean the engine is running. They were both replaced.
Two weeks later, the light came on again. He ran the tests, and one of the sensors had tripped. Why? Well, maybe it was a bad sensor. What’s the likelihood of that? Well it was replaced.
Two days later the light came on a third time. He’d run a diagnostic so thorough that it was 14 pages long. He was having “his guy” test every possible thing. It could be the fuel pump, he changed that too but to no result
He finally found the problem. when he took his car for a tune-up the spark plugs were gapped wrong! Whoever replaced them didn’t gap them correctly. Once he fixed that, the engine light went off and stayed off!”
My God. How simple and obvious. Why had he not checked this at the beginning? What this means, he paid big bucks to replace what probably were three perfectly good sensors and a fuel pump.

Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #23 on: February 11, 2008, 05:07 AM »

Quote from: toksyb on February 10, 2008, 11:48 PM
I really support Kashif's brother and wish him all the best. I was only posing those questions mainly to be educated.
So if any non-abusive levelheaded folks will answers my question I will be very glad.

@Ivvie
Examples of vehicle are Bentley, Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz AMG & Porsche. They all come factory filled with synthetic, and you should stick with it.

You are saying exactly what I am saying There is nothing new in Mechanics but don't you have to know the stuff?
Being an Electrical Engineering is a plus but does not equate to being a mechanic
Here is a story that will explain how valuable education and experience is.

My Friends check engine light came on. After diagnosis he found it was that two oxygen sensors “blew.” They were the upstream and downstream sensors that indicate how rich or lean the engine is running. They were both replaced.
Two weeks later, the light came on again. He ran the tests, and one of the sensors had tripped. Why? Well, maybe it was a bad sensor. What’s the likelihood of that? Well it was replaced.
Two days later the light came on a third time. He’d run a diagnostic so thorough that it was 14 pages long. He was having “his guy” test every possible thing. It could be the fuel pump, he changed that too but to no result
He finally found the problem. when he took his car for a tune-up the spark plugs were gapped wrong! Whoever replaced them didn’t gap them correctly. Once he fixed that, the engine light went off and stayed off!”
My God. How simple and obvious. Why had he not checked this at the beginning? What this means, he paid big bucks to replace what probably were three perfectly good sensors and a fuel pump.



I see your point of view and it is very true.  I guess he will have to train under someone for a while.  That is some blunt truth shed.The only thing we can do is help him out in the little way we can. 
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #24 on: February 12, 2008, 05:31 PM »

@Ivvie and all, I am very grateful.

I am eagerly waiting for any materials/addresses that could help.

Thanks once more.
abbyode (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #25 on: February 13, 2008, 05:11 PM »

Ivvie, thanks. please can u mail me those docs/manuals u talked about. I really wish to be a DIY mechanic as well. My email is abiodunode@yahoo.com. Thanks.
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #26 on: February 13, 2008, 09:48 PM »

Quote from: Kashif on February 12, 2008, 05:31 PM
@Ivvie and all, I am very grateful.

I am eagerly waiting for any materials/addresses that could help.

Thanks once more.

Kashif, you are welcome
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #27 on: February 13, 2008, 10:20 PM »

Quote from: abbyode on February 13, 2008, 05:11 PM
Ivvie, thanks. please can u mail me those docs/manuals u talked about. I really wish to be a DIY mechanic as well. My email is abiodunode@yahoo.com. Thanks.


It isn't a DIY information but service manual for a Camry, a Haynes Manual on specifications and a few of my engineering textbooks in mechanical engineering for automotive design.  It will only make you understand the principles and will be left to you to apply the understanding.  The files are large and will have to scribe them on CD's.  Get in touch with Kashif and have him make a copy for you. 
abbyode (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #28 on: February 14, 2008, 03:29 AM »

Kahif, please how do i hook up wt u in order to get a copy of those materials. Please holla me on abiodunode@yahoo.com. Thanks.
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #29 on: February 18, 2008, 08:04 AM »

Quote from: abbyode on February 14, 2008, 03:29 AM
Kahif, please how do i hook up wt u in order to get a copy of those materials. Please holla me on abiodunode@yahoo.com. Thanks.

I have not received the materials. I would let you know as soon as I have. Wink
Kashif (m)
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #30 on: February 21, 2008, 02:28 PM »

 Cry Cry Cry
Ivvie
Re: Becoming A Reliable Auto Mechanic
« #31 on: February 25, 2008, 02:48 AM »

Quote from: Kashif on February 21, 2008, 02:28 PM
Cry Cry Cry

I sent you another eMail with a contact number.  You have to get with me as soon as you can.  Read and reply to your mail. 
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