Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Interview/Comments

Ha ha, I knew you were going to quote those scriptures even before i posted mine. Who were those He spoke against? Scribes and Pharisees. The 'holier than thous'. Those who will not be seen eating with sinners. Those who thought they were too holy for christ's salvation. Those who will quote the law here and there so as to appear to be righteous in the sight of others. Those who will appear outwardly holy but filled with bitterness and envy. They wear long white robes and carry long 'holier than thou' faces. They have not entered the kingdom yet with their rules and traditions they prevent others from entering. They are the lost sheep of Israel, children of Abraham according to the flesh, heirs of the promise but they knew not God. Even though they were not considered to be sinners, as they did not do those things that would make you think of them as such; their eyes were full of all manner of lusts. They criticize miracles and call for investigation. They envied the master and accused Him of being a false prophet because the crowds followed Him as He will not drive sinners away from himself. Nothing pleases them,even the salvation and healing of a soul will provoke them to envy. They were full of condemnation and as such, they condemned others. They are in the church today and together with Jesus i say, woe unto you pharisees!! Jesus did not condemn the harlots, drunkards, sinners, tax collectors, he loved them, embraced them and saved them.

Donnie,
you are very wise man. God will continue to grant you words,wisdom and utterance that non of your adversaries can ressist. i love you.

it is a pity that you read the very aspect and yet still speak against the very oracle of God.

The Sadducee and Pharisee were sinners and they were condemning others Jesus knew their secret sins and their desire for only outward holiness. and they had a grip on there religious following out of this came out religious party of the Zealots.

REMEMBER THE SADDUCEE AND PHARISEE HAD POLITICAL ECONOMIC AND THEY HAD RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY.

Jesus Condemned the Pharisee etc and the rich Fool.

This people rob in the name of God they did not care if the people sinned or not there care is simple let the people do all the religious sacrileges, because they PROFITED FROM IT. 

In this day and time it is similar The Religious people don't warn the People of sin they don't send a holy fear of God where the people will come to love God and do his command.

I Know people that attend Church they do all sorts of evil and they from this evil say they pay "tithe" Their believe is that once they pay tithe they and all they do is secured, this is just what  happened when jesus was around.

1) You had temple Temple Worshiping ( The did all religious activity and believed on the magnificent building Jesus told them it will come to a time that they will not worship him anywhere but in spirit and truth.

2) You had money worship  (If You did not have money you could not worship God) Remember the Widow's mite

3) You had Figure Worship ( Personalities where worshiped) The sadducee, scribe and Pharisee had political and consensus on what is moral.  They were a law on to themselves and they failed woefully.

The priest of those time Could not enter into the Holies of Holies but they sent people and used cords to pull them out when they died. They knew they were evil but they thought since they had a following they had the responsibility to defend God thereby deceiving themselves.

This happens now.
 

Let me comment on this.

@ BackSlider:

In as much as i encourage calling a Christian head back when he/she erred, i don't like the condemning attitude you've put up. What's with the "Jesus condemn sinner and sin" bullshit you've been touting? If Jesus condemned the sinner and sin as you've put it, then YOU should be going to hell since heck, we sin everyday even as we are under his saving grace. If Jesus condemned the sinner, then what is the use of salvation? What is even the use of Jesus coming to earth 2000 years ago to redeem humanity?


@ donnie:

on the flip side, you seriously need to take a chill pill. Anytime the issue of Pastor Chris comes up, you are quick to get your titties in a knotty twist. You do not even take the time to consider the questions and posts and are too quick to jump to conclusions on whether they are borne out of malice or genuine Christian concern. This issue is as straightforward as rulers and i don't see why tempers should be flaring. There hasn't been definitive answers from Christ Embassy members  and you and your kind only help in flaming/raising rumours, conspiracy theories and questions and concern among Non-Christ Embassy Christians when you keep mum on the issue at hand and go on a rampage about how Christians heads are "hating" on Pastor Chris. Please cool the f down and re-assess this shizzle. Don't be quick to write off what others say. . .

PS: (under the assumption you're male) i know your titties are flat as schmuck, but your raving gets them in a twist

@backslider.  What saves a man is not that his works are perfect but that he has recieved a new heart and a new Spirit from the Lord. This spirit is the teacher. He knows how to teach and build his children in the Word.  The priests could not enter the holiest of holies but according to the bible, the high priest did(no one else apart from the high priest went in) once every year to offer sacrifice for himself and for the sins of the people because he was anointed to do so. Jesus our eternal high priest went into the heavenly holiest of holies once and for all to offer his blood on the mercy seat for the sins of the whole world including yours. He is still in heaven making intercession for the saints whom as long as they stay in him and trust him, he will save to the uttermost. This is the gospel message of love. The bible tells us that God is not counting men's sins against them(for if he did on man will stand) and as such, he has commited unto us the ministry of reconciliation(not condemnation) of which i am an ambassador. Only the Holy Spirit can bring the fear of God upon God's people. That is why we as christians must be full of Him and walk in his power. So rather than hate and curse, we persuade men, 'be ye reconciled to God'. So When you speak in love, they will hear the voice of the Holy Spirit and fear and be converted.     

. . . .but at the same time, that doesn't mean when we as Christians see something wrong, we shouldn't point it out. For the ministry of reconciliation to be put in work, there has to be a confession of a wrong! he who is to be reconciled must first acknowledge his wrongdoing before the reconciliation begins!

@ Gbade.X  you have now said what I wanted to say.

Jesus CONDEMNS SIN AND SINNERS.

IF A PASTOR X GOES TO HELL BY WHAT IS HE CONDEMNED. THE SWEET PREACHING OF THIS DAYS IS WHAT IS MAKING PEOPLE GO TO HELL.

JOHN THE BAPTIST PREACHED THIS MESSAGE JESUS DID THE SAME.

Anyway We are all learning more,

Jesus condemned SIN BUT did NOT condemn SINNERS!!

Please stopping saying this bullshit!! If Jesus condemned SINNERS, then YOU Backslider should be on your way to hell and no amount of crucifiction would redeem your sorry ass!!

It's warped thinking like this, i believe, that drives many unbelievers away from Christianity since if we should follow your thinking, the unbeliever already is on the way to an eternity of torment in hell since he's condemned, so why the need for Christianity? Why the need to be saved by Jesus if he's already condemned by Jesus?

@ Gbadex

To your second question

People are in the watered messages and are still going to Church and they are dying and going to hell everyday even pastor are in hell now Shouting DAY AND NIGHT.

I can not exonerate my self if I am found with sin and I die in that state I will Go to hell simple and short no mincing words.

@Backslider,


My dear bro, that statement needs important qualification and clarification. Even so, it cannot be sustained in God's Word.

I believe that God condemns SIN in all its ramification; but Scripture shows us severally that Jesus was not and is not condemning SINNERS. Let me outline them:

The Woman Taken in the Very Act - John 8.
The religious leaders of the day were mechanically correct in their analysis to stone those caught in the sin of adultery (compare John 8:5 with Lev. 20:21 and Deut. 22:22). But even though the woman stood before Jesus as a sinner, this is what transpired next: "When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." (verses 10-11).

God Did Not Send His Son for Condemnation - John 3:17
Wicked and sinful was the world into which the Son of God was born. Some of us would have thought that the sins of some people were so grievious that they deserved nothing less than condemnation. But this is what Jesus said: "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

Today, God Seeks To Reach  A Lost World - II Cor. 5:19
Imagine sharing the Gospel with someone today, and the first thing he/she hears is: "Jesus IS condemning sinners. Simple and short!" Of course, you most probably never meant to say that; but that's directly opposed to the message of reconciliation that says: "Jesus IS saving sinners. Simple and sweet!" This is the ministry of the NT to which we as Christians should be committed to - and how blessed to read the inspired pen of Paul again: "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation" (II Cor. 5:19).

Certainly, I remember that the evangelist is never quite done with his/her task until he/she informs the sinner of the aweful judgement of God upon the unrepentant and rebellious. Yet, God sets His love before the sinner as the most important factor in saving us, than anything else.

Cheers.

Salvation is open to all but anyone that rejects Christ ultimately will be condemned.
Look at it this way,while we were unbelievers,we had as it were a death sentence over our heads,equal to condemnation,that is the state of all unbelievers and only by accepting the saving Grace  of Christ can we move from death into life.

This,however, does not answer the 39 million naira question 

@babyosisi

As The Lord Liveth Salvation is in your Bosom and this is the Pure Gospel that we have received.

This same Gospel  That Tyndale died for
 Thadeus was Skinned alive for
 Stephen was stoned to death
 

Leave them alone Damnation is unto to the unrepentant. This is the Hard Gospel.
 

We are all saying the same thing brethren just in different ways.

 hi guys, how y'all been?

@ shahan

I thot u was gone, but deep down i knowed u'D come back.( don't mind the lang, just playing with itso sup?) 

About the issue of condemnation,

Please o, Jesus never condemned sinners and that is what why we are here on earth; to continue his ministry which is of reconciliation. This is the Goodnews we preach or else its not good afterall when it condemns.

Condemnation comes from sin, yes we know but this does not mean that God hates sinners. Rather he made a way out for us through the blood of Jesus that was shared when he died on the cross( what love is more than that?)

John 3:19 (King James Version)
--And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

lets see a louder version.

John 3:19 (Amplified Bible)
The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil.

Since the very day sin came into existence, it judged the world and brought condemnation. But thank God there is goodnews- we are to decide what path to go. The word rather in the passage above shows that there's a choice involved. Its a clear fact in the world today. You preach to some people and they don't give in, they prefer to keep on with their own way. That their decision (to continue in sin) per se, condemns them.

in the OT, where we can also see where our decision controls our destiny. . .

Deuteronomy 30:19 (King James Version)
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Here we find, irrespective of the choice before us, God in his infinite mercy and love showing us the better pick. We are still like in the garden of Eden today where we are faced with choices (both choice of words and actions) that could either bring condemnation on us  or life. Thank God for LOVE (who he is).He loves us and doesn't want us condemned by sin. His LOVE is forever. David said this love is better than life itself. This is the godnews that has been committed to our trust. The word of life which we preach. Even while we were sinners, Christ died for us.

S W E E T L O V E O F J E S You S.


PS: the whole world was died for and legally saved, but vitally, for one to enjoy salvation and its full package which includes forgiveness of sin, he must consciously acknowledge he is a sinner, that christ died for him and then confess THE LORD JESUS and not his sins (Rom 10;9).

Now you are talking!

An unrepentant sinner is condemned - not by Jesus but by his Sins!!

Sin is what condemns, Jesus is the Redeemer!!

So please change that perspective of The Redeemer being the Condemner!!

@GBADEX

SO YOU SAY WHAT CONDEMNS AN UNREPENTANT SINNER IS SIN RIGHT?

SO WHAT JUSTIFIES HIM HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS? NO

BECAUSE BIBLE SAYS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ARE AS FILTHY RAGS


WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY CHRIST RIGHTEOUSNESS

AND ALSO CONDEMNED BY HIM IF WE DON'T ACCEPT MERCY.

CHRIST CONDEMNS UNREPENTANT SINNERS

GET YOUR THEOLOGY RIGHT

THERE IS ONE PROSECUTOR JESUS
THERE IS ONE JUSTIFIER  JESUS

SATAN IS THE ACCUSER AND PLAINTIFF

THE ACCUSED SINNER

THE HIGH JUDGE GOD ON THE THRONE

BEFORE AND AFTER THE SIN IS COMMITTED ARE WITTNESS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO WARN

1ST WARNER HOY GHOST
2ND MEN THAT GOD SENDS ( WHERE YOU AND I BELONG AS WE WARN ON THIS THREAD)

WHILE THE SIN IS COMMITTED WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE WARNER OR WATCHMEN

@ shahan:

what it is? Long time, where you been? How was your Sunday?

@ BlackSlider:

you know, i'm beginning to entertain the thought of allowing blabs787 borrowing you some of his pills. . . .

Let me make things as clear as possible -

Jesus can't be the Redeemer and The Condemner at the same time. If He was, then there would be no use/justification for salvation.

Let me ask you these questions and please ANSWER me!!

#1. What is the underlying theme of the Parable of The Prodigal Son?

#2. If the Redeemer Condemns, then what is the use of The Redeemer redeeming a soul?