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Papa (m)
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My God! @donnie,
That's a complete prayer! You're a real Christ Embassy member.
Yes! South Africa's gearing up for another big hit!
. . . And you know, Pastor Ose is on some other tip.
Publicity is insurmountable - Pastors and coordinators have
dropped their suits for the Night of bliss t-shirts and caps!
The only way you couldn't have known would be if you weren't
in South Africa - I tell you!
Walk into any Christ Embassy church and just "by mistake" mention
28th of may, you'll not be able to control people - The expectation is just something else!
So watch out! Of all the things on the planet, the worst thing to miss out on will be the testimonies!
And @Olrotimi,
South Africa's not having a revival. We're alive! We don't need to be revived!
It's a night of bliss - a crusade program;
A revival could be what happened in 2006 at easter in Nigeria.
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bish2001 (m)
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Waoh! some so called christians should actually check where they live in the spirit! 1stly, i am BLW through n through (10 years n still counting). I came from where most of you doubting thomases where but i know better now. Christ Embassy is a unique vision. It always allows opportunity for those who want to go into ministry to do so effortlessly. If other pastors from other churches attend our crusades and preach our messages, why would anyone truly called into ministry want to break away? It doesn't make sense. You that 'sprinkles' the blood, where is it? Or do you not know that it was 'because of the sacredness of that blood that Mary wasn't allowed to touch Jesus after his resurrection. If only the high priest could enter into the holy of holies with the blood of an ANIMAL (after so much purification), how much more the blood of Jesus which is not on earth. ladies n gentlemen, be wise, humble yourself n pray for the activation of God's wisdom in you whenever you pick your bible to read. The greatest financer of the gospel is the Pastor of the branch (ask your pastor if in doubt).
And to all my Christ Embassy brethren - keep the good work up. We in London are doing very well as we await Pastor Chris' visit in June! Cheer up brethren, because the Word truly works!!!!!
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Papa (m)
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well, lovely post @bish2001, many of us here are also BLW people . . . I've just been trying to put together . . . what's your post a response to?
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bish2001 (m)
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@ Papa
I've gone through most of the 17 pages before this and realised that most of those critisizing the BLW way are not really well grounded in Christianity. I am yet to see a member of Christ Embassy attacking any other christian group; why, because we are too busy decorating the church for Christ's coming.
To the poster who left 'because he believe the teachings had a bit of heresy, you were never called to belong there in the 1st place. If after going through membership classes and witnessing various miracles, most of which happen by people just being in the gatherings, you still weren't convinced, asked yourself; are you really born-again and by what spirit. It is often said that the ways of the Lord is mysterious but i tell you, it depends on where you live in the spirit! Some come and go but some have pitched tents there (i hope i haven't lost you yet). As you dwell there, God reveals those mysteries to you. You become n-sync with Him and His will become yours then you understand what is meant by being totally sold out for Jesus.
I can go on and on but like i earlier wrote, this is the product of a 10 yr work. Fellow brethren, do the great work Christ called us into; win souls for the kingdom, become an epistle worthy of emulation. That's what the master would ask when He comes not whether you suceeded in fighting other pastors because you disagreed with what they taught. Read how the ministry of Mariam, sister of Moses, ended. A word is enough for them that can hear!!!!
Remain blessed, stay cool, for all things are yours if you've got that same Spirit in you,
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Papa (m)
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@bish2001,
You're really a true product of daddy!
Love you man!
Papa.
NB: You didn't loose me, I just wonder what your post was following so I could follow the gist - but it's ok. I feel you!
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Backslider (m)
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Ah what sorrow.
Anyway the standard of the Lord is sure.
Let all men bath themselves in lies but God is true.
Holiness is the true Image of God no man be a product of any man with Holiness no man or man of God shall see the lord.
Let him that nameth the name of the Lord depart from sin.
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bish2001 (m)
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@ papa
Cheers mate! It's the same msg.
@backslider,
well, your name says it all. I dnt need to elaborate!!
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Backslider (m)
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@bish2001
If you read your bible very well and you have not been given to the demon that was released upon Ahab then you will know that the church you are decorating is not the same church Jesus died for. The den of thieves Hip Hop Churches Sensationalist Churches where we all feel each other.
The Churches that sex is used to bring people to a demon god. Not the Church where evil is allowed and perpetuated. A place when people are give more power to continue in sin.
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bish2001 (m)
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@backslider,
I really do not have time to go too deep with you as you've clearly shown how much you know. I might end up talking over your head. 1stly, there has never been a perfect church - chk the books of corinthians (they had former adulterers et al in their midst). Jesus christ did not die for a perfect church. We were dead in sin yet He deemed us fit to die for. It is after you have accepted Him as your lord and personal saviour, receive the Holy Spirit and start fellowshipping with Him that you'll grow. Yes, you may make mistakes but which child doesn't - you are still being fed on milk. Gradually, you are mature enough to handle the higher callings; you have past that stage where you are still debating if a woman should preach on the alter or not.
When and if you reach that stage, my dear, do come back and we can communicate on the same level else anything i say might remain strange to you,
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4Him (m)
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I am yet to see a member of Christ Embassy attacking any other christian group; why, because we are too busy decorating the church for Christ's coming. I doubt if u are truly waiting for Christ's coming. If you knew u'd be aware that Christ is coming NOT for a physical building but for u and me. Decorate your lives first with Holiness before u start putting balloons on the walls of your local church. |
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Backslider (m)
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@bish2001
I know the doctrine you tend to expound and if you have time we will discuss and come to a conclusion.
You seem to say a man can not be saved completely when he is born again. This is a lie coming from the pit of hell. the doctrine sadly is expounded by many a preacher using greek to deceive to many and it is common now adays.
Your pastor will say you are a brephos so you can't be mature to do certain things. yet in the new testament an unborn child is regarded as a brephos
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
The Analogy of using this to Justify the impurity state of a Christian man is demonic and comes from hell. I will explain further.
A man that commits sin is a sinner wether he is eather a brephos , a neaniske or paidiois
The Analogy was to make you see the different fire levels in a believer not to categorize sin levels in the Holy and perfect church. Every RELATIONSHIP IS BASED ON COMMITMENT.
If God is not committed to a person and the person seeks God continously he will catch Gods Eye and heart.
Same way round If God seeks a man and the man turns aways but God keeps on and the man is finall saved.
There was commitment in God to seek man and man to seek God.
after a man is saved does he abandone his commitment to seek God?
Does he think he is a child and all he needs to do is to wait till age catches up and he is mature?
have you not heard they that wait (committed to the lord in prayer action and study of his words) shall renew their strength and the shall mount up as eagles?
Christ came to make the Church perfect. christ is the head of the Church (ecclessia means the called out) we are not like the world in appearance and speech. Jesus said be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect brephos or no brephos.
The Church is the body and anybody that is called out of a life of sin. yes people come to a physical building and they think that is the church.
How when a man is born again there is the Adamic Nature still in Him and he need to set himself Apart as in similar manner the old priest do. This is called self sanctification to determine that you are Gods and no man else. all your will and desire is completely surrendered to him. He will now come and Sanctify you. As a Christian Born Again you must be Sactified or you will die off. It is a sin no to be sanctified when you know you need to be.
1. Christ died to deliver believers from this evil age, as God had willed: Galatians 1:4 2. Christ died to redeem and purify believers: Titus 2:14.
3. Christ died to sanctify and cleanse the church: Ephesians 5:25-27.
4. Christ died to actually remove God's wrath: Romans 3:25.
5. Christ's death doesn't make it possible for us to be reconciled to God, but actually does reconcile us to God: Romans 5:10.
6. Christ actually obtained eternal redemption by His death: Hebrews 9:12.
7. Christ's death actually secured redemption: Ephesians 1:7
1. All those whom Christ died for, died with Christ: 2 Corinthians 5:14.
2. All those who died with Christ are raised with Christ to salvation: Romans 6:5, 8.
3. Not everybody is raised with Christ to salvation: Revelation 20:15.
4. Therefore, not everybody died with Christ.
5. Therefore, Christ did not die for everybody--for everybody whom Christ died for, died with Christ (principle #1), but not everybody has died with Christ (principle #4).
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Papa (m)
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If you read your bible very well and you have not been given to the demon that was released upon Ahab then you will know that the church you are decorating is not the same church Jesus died for. . . . If you knew u'd be aware that Christ is coming NOT for a physical building but for u and me. Decorate your lives first with Holiness before u start putting balloons on the walls of your local church.
@4Him, your ignorance has announced its presence. You know what - like @bish2001 said, when you get to that level of understanding, you can come home and we'll communicate at the same level - ok? Dude! What is a church?! - is it not the body of Christ?! Don't be quick to judge people when you're not sure what they're talking about. The Master said ". . .Judge righteous judgements. . ." What else did you think he was talking about, See, that's how we know that many of you non-Christ Embassy people don't understand us, yet you just keep on with this - "we are so terrible mentality" And that's where I get concerned about many Christians, how can you judge a person you don't know?! Without full, true and accurate knowledge of that person and a clear understanding of his language (NOT his words!). The words may be the wrong ones, but read in between the lines, what's his language? You see what I mean by non-Christ Embassy people misunderstand us? You are too quick to think we mean the negative thoughts you're having . . .why?! really, sit down; put your right hand on your chest and ask yourself WHY AM I LIKE THIS?! If you read your bible very well and you have not been given to the demon that was released upon Ahab then you will know that the church you are decorating is not the same church Jesus died for. The den of thieves Hip Hop Churches Sensationalist Churches where we all feel each other.
The Churches that sex is used to bring people to a demon god. Not the Church where evil is allowed and perpetuated. A place when people are give more power to continue in sin.
Honestly, this one - na you sabi o! It is sad, but do you mean, you can't say ". . . I feel you . . ." to any christian at all - that you have a common understanding about the Lord?! Geez! Then, you should check your life really - because all truth is parallel. Really, I think this is where someone should be asking you what church you attend and if there are other members there or it's only you
@bish2001 PLEASE DON'T REPLY THAT LAST POST - YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THIS FELLOW'S MIND - PLEASE DON'T CAST YOUR PRECIOUS PEARLS HERE! |
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bish2001 (m)
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@ Papa,
Thanks for taking time to answer those thoughts.
@ 4him,
Read your bible very well before exposing your ignorance in public. We (me, you and anybody who has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and personal saviour) make up the church, so the decoration i'm talking about goes much deeper than the physical.
@Backslider,
You seem to know everything and nothing at all. Read my posts again. I never said being born again wouldnt take you to heaven. All i am saying is that because you still make mistakes after being born again does not mean all is lost. You only need to be born again once to make heaven. After all, how many times does a child get born. You do not need all those religion about 'doing' thing to make you santified - have you not read that you are a HOLY nation, consecrated, sanctified and set apart BY THE FATHER HIMSELF? Can you go better than that. There is no perfect Christian including you, me and everybody who calls Himself a christian (even Pastor Chris would tell you the same), but when we make mistakes or sin, John says we've got an advocate with the father, He isn't begging the father on our behalf - afterall the father sent Him to die for us. So all we do is ask for forgiveness, take it and continue in what he has called us. Please fellow brethren, Christ Embassy or not, do research before posting. If you do not know, ask, because i can see why many Churches are pastored by baby christians. Some part of the bible was written in Greek so what is wrong in researching the original manuscript and say what it was meant to say. Well, i rest my case and hope you have learnt a bit from this. Remain blessed.
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Papa (m)
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@Backslider,
You seem to know everything and nothing at all. . .
Ha Ha ha - like really - Ha ha ha! . . .Please fellow brethren, Christ Embassy or not, do research before posting. If you do not know, ask, because i can see why many Churches are pastored by baby christians. Some part of the bible was written in Greek so what is wrong in researching the original manuscript and say what it was meant to say. Well, i rest my case and hope you have learnt a bit from this. Remain blessed.
Yes Sir! @4Him and @Backslider, Pastor Chris would say "The church is NOT for perfect people; the church is for PERFECT ING people" And that's where the word 'decoration' comes in! Got it!? |
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Backslider (m)
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@bish2001
If you read my post very well You see that I was Adressing the false doctrine that Pastor Chris preaches. We are Born again but when we remain at that we have sinned and not worthy of the Kingdom.
That is why Jesus said Holiness without which no man shall see the Lord.
A born again Must Consecrate Himself for the Lord to Sanctify Him. A unregenerate man can not set himself apart because he is at war with God,
Another false doctrine from pastor Chris
Pastor Chris would say "The church is NOT for perfect people; the church is for PERFECTING people" And that's where the word 'decoration' comes in! Got it!?
Jesus said My house Shall be called the house of prayer.
When a sinner comes to God with a broken Spirit then you can say The church is perfecting people. But when Thieves Liers evil doers are prayed for and they dance their Hip hop Gospel then this is what is called the sermon of Slaughter. They are told to continue in sin and that Jesus did not die to destroy sin and all the works of sin.
about being alone in my church John The baptist was alone Elijah was alone.
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Papa (m)
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@Backslider, Oro ré 'nfé adua!  |
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away4real (m)
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@ Papa
I've gone through most of the 17 pages before this and realised that most of those critisizing the BLW way are not really well grounded in Christianity. I am yet to see a member of Christ Embassy attacking any other christian group; why, because we are too busy decorating the church for Christ's coming.
To the poster who left 'because he believe the teachings had a bit of heresy, you were never called to belong there in the 1st place. If after going through membership classes and witnessing various miracles, most of which happen by people just being in the gatherings, you still weren't convinced, asked yourself; are you really born-again and by what spirit. It is often said that the ways of the Lord is mysterious but i tell you, it depends on where you live in the spirit! Some come and go but some have pitched tents there (i hope i haven't lost you yet). As you dwell there, God reveals those mysteries to you. You become n-sync with Him and His will become yours then you understand what is meant by being totally sold out for Jesus.
I can go on and on but like i earlier wrote, this is the product of a 10 yr work. Fellow brethren, do the great work Christ called us into; win souls for the kingdom, become an epistle worthy of emulation. That's what the master would ask when He comes not whether you suceeded in fighting other pastors because you disagreed with what they taught. Read how the ministry of Mariam, sister of Moses, ended. A word is enough for them that can hear!!!!
Remain blessed, stay cool, for all things are yours if you've got that same Spirit in you,
You know this issue is now all about pride. @ Papa please go to the Tunde Bakare thread where your bretheren (and mine in christ not embassy) implied Tunde Bakare was a lier, people had to show him that was just plain hypocricy. Secondly if you are busy decorating the church waiting for christ coming what are u doing here, u should be winning souls and laying hands on the sick. One thing i have realised with Embassy members is that you guys know little about the foundation of your ministry and not sound in instructions you guys get easily carried away by "so called" revealations. The only proof of salvation and true christainity to you guys is miracles , how sad.?? [/b] This thread was left alone for a while i don't know why it was resurrected, i think we should let issues be, the more u guys talk the more the imbalance is obvious. |
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away4real (m)
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@bish2001,
You're really a true product of daddy!
Love you man!
Papa.
NB: You didn't loose me, I just wonder what your post was following so I could follow the gist - but it's ok. I feel you!
I just couldnt help but laugh  when i saw this, when did embassy start calling Rev. Chris "Daddy"  ??  |
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bish2001 (m)
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@backslider,
Dnt be offended by this post but honestly i doubt your level of literacy. Where did you see in the bible that after being born again, if you remain at that level, you have sinned and no longer worthy of heaven? Check carefully the ministry of Jesus Christ; His miracles were nearly always followed by Him teaching those new converts the word of God. It is that Word that sanctifies and transform the hearer. And that is exactly what we do in Christ Embassy.
@away4real (hope i got it right)
The emergence of the internet and other forms of communication makes it easier to 'decorate' the church even faster. By sharing with people like you on this forum, i am spreading His gospel. You might not agree to all i say but i trust when and if you do your bible study, it will all become clearer.
I have every right to call my pastor daddy or my father because he has deposited a lot in my life. If you went to a boarding school did you never have a god-father? So those it mean he was a god and a father to you. Man, you lot should stop hating ehhn. Give me what you think my pastor does that is not biblical, if not hold your peace.
And for being proud, i think i should be asking you the same; you know nothing yet you are attacking a man of God. Did you send Him or has God appointed you to be a church supervisor???
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A_K_O (m)
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Hmmn Pastor Chris, I've always been looking for a thread like this. First I must say that I love the following about the church: (1. The backdrop of the pulpit; unique, '21st centurish' and dynamic. 2.) The quality of the video recordings and the post production effort. 3.) The music, world-class. God definately is the ultimate judge. But I just have a few reservations against this man that I think I shld spit: 1. The atmosphere on this thread and on his programmes makes one believe that the ministry revolves around him, not around Jesus. They would say "Pastor Chris, Worth Hearing", "Night of Bliss with Pastor Chris, " You're really a true product of daddy! etc. I believe that no 'man of God' shld take credit for anything that happens in their ministry. Now I know that all the members of 'Daddy's church will attack me. You guys must just be careful not to Hero-worship any human being. Trust me, I know what it's all about, I just left a church where sthing like that is being done. 2. I totally agree with the National Broadcasting Corporation's decision some years back to ban the miracle programmes cause basically because they cannot be proven on TV. What stops me from bringing my house boy and promising him an extra tip at the end of the month if he claims to be healed on international TV? I've never been to any of the crusades and don't intend to go for any but I'm still believing God for the day that a stump will become an arm on live TV; NBC would'nt have mouth then. 3. Sometime in 2006, mumsy is on her way to SA at the airport. Then she sees these 'Men in Black', black shoes, suits, shades(indoors), etc in motion, encircling an equally serious-faced Pastor Chris. There are as many angels given charge over me as there are angels given charge over him. Why he 'security'. He obviously needs to move with an entourage, I know that, but must they encircle him, making him completely inaccessible to a 'huge fan'? 4. This one is not only for Pastor Chris. What is the biblical significance of the whole 'Pastor blows, person falls (whether they want to or not), usher catches, people shout? Is there any such pattern in the bible? After people got their healings/deliverances, did Jesus 'blow them away' to prove that the anointing was present? Please tell me oh. Dearly beloved Christ Embassy brethren, these are just some of the things oh. God is the ultimate judge. But please, please and PLEASE again, do not hero-worship. If you are not doing it don't do it and if you are doing it, it is time to repent and focus on the Source not on the vessel. You are free to clarify my opinions upon BIBLICAL grounds in an atomsphere of Agape. God bless us!!!!! and Pastor Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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4Him (m)
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@Backslider, Oro ré 'nfé adua! you people are the ones in need of deliverance and u know it not. Sad. A_K_O said it best . . . there is nothing about Jesus on this thread . . . its been about man, man and man! |
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bish2001 (m)
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@A K O
Thanks for your post. Firstly, nobody hero worships pastor Chris. We truly love Him because He has deposited so much in us. He's taught us that we don't need to call our pastors to pray 4 us in every situation; we have got what is needed to do same. i have put it to work and time without number, it has produced results, so why change a winning formula which is consistent with the bible. I remember a sister in my church here in london held a crusade for teenagers and this young, black carribean fellow who has never been to my church and doesn't even believe in christianity, was invited. He later told us that when he touched this lady's hand, he couldn't believe that he went under the power. My dear, there are a lot of things i have seen in church that makes me stake my neck for this ministry: so much so that even if Pastor Chris decides not to head it again, i wouldn't leave.
I sincerely understand all your points and i can categorically tell you that i used to be a bigger sceptic than some of the people who have posted here but through the years i have witnessed so much that i think it would be fool-hardy not to recognise the hand of God on this ministry.
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4Him (m)
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@A K O
Thanks for your post. Firstly, nobody hero worships pastor Chris. We truly love Him because He has deposited so much in us. He's taught us that we don't need to call our pastors to pray 4 us in every situation; we have got what is needed to do same. i have put it to work and time without number, it has produced results, so why change a winning formula which is consistent with the bible. I remember a sister in my church here in london held a crusade for teenagers and this young, black carribean fellow who has never been to my church and doesn't even believe in christianity, was invited. He later told us that when he touched this lady's hand, he couldn't believe that he went under the power. My dear, there are a lot of things i have seen in church that makes me stake my neck for this ministry: so much so that even if Pastor Chris decides not to head it again, i wouldn't leave.
I sincerely understand all your points and i can categorically tell you that i used to be a bigger sceptic than some of the people who have posted here but through the years i have witnessed so much that i think it would be fool-hardy not to recognise the hand of God on this ministry.
A very long post . . . not one mention of the name of Jesus Christ. He says pastor deposited so much into them . . . forgetting that without Christ we can do nothing. He talks of the winning formular being consistent with the bible forgetting that the bible is a light unto our feet and a light in our path. He talks about staking his neck FOR THE MINISTRY forgetting that Christ is the purpose for the ministry. May God deliver us from idolatry. |
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A_K_O (m)
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Thanks, but I still want your opinions on the SPECIFICS of my post, not to say that they would change mine but I just want to see the reasoning behind these things from a Christ Embassy point of view.
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away4real (m)
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A very long post . . . not one mention of the name of Jesus Christ.
He says pastor deposited so much into them . . . forgetting that without Christ we can do nothing.
He talks of the winning formular being consistent with the bible forgetting that the bible is a light unto our feet and a light in our path.
He talks about staking his neck FOR THE MINISTRY forgetting that Christ is the purpose for the ministry.
May God deliver us from idolatry.
@ 4Him and he doesnt hero worship, he only adores his pastor, since Pastor Chris has deposited so much in him not the Holy Spirit. Theres no way he can input Jesus because its Pastor doing everything, Jesus is the one using pastor so no need to mention Jesus, mention the vessel and leave the Master. Such Wisdom. I really wonder how this has happened, when christains will be saying Pastor did this, he has taught us this, so what has the holy spirit done sorry i forgot he doesnt hero worship.  |
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Papa (m)
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@backslider,
Dnt be offended by this post but honestly i doubt your level of literacy. . .
@bish2001, I've told you to leave this @Backslider guy alone, can't you tell a lot from his name yet?!
@away4real (hope i got it right)
The emergence of the internet and other forms of communication makes it easier to 'decorate' the church even faster. By sharing with people like you on this forum, i am spreading His gospel. You might not agree to all i say but i trust when and if you do your bible study, it will all become clearer.
I have every right to call my pastor daddy or my father because he has deposited a lot in my life. If you went to a boarding school did you never have a god-father? So those it mean he was a god and a father to you. Man, you lot should stop hating ehhn. Give me what you think my pastor does that is not biblical, if not hold your peace.
And for being proud, i think i should be asking you the same; you know nothing yet you are attacking a man of God. Did you send Him or has God appointed you to be a church supervisor??? Not just that, Paul said Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, He gave birth to this church; he didn't just train some outsiders, he raised his own children, that's why he could talk to them (or rebuke them rather) the way he did for example in chapter 3; so again Pastor Chris is my Daddy, otherwise what are people doing around with a statement such as "Spiritual FATHER"?
Hmmn Pastor Chris, I've always been looking for a thread like this.
First I must say that I love the following about the church: (1. The backdrop of the pulpit; unique, '21st centurish' and dynamic. 2.) The quality of the video recordings and the post production effort. 3.) The music, world-class.
God definately is the ultimate judge. But I just have a few reservations against this man that I think I shld spit:
1. The atmosphere on this thread and on his programmes makes one believe that the ministry revolves around him, not around Jesus. They would say "Pastor Chris, Worth Hearing", "Night of Bliss with Pastor Chris, " etc. I believe that no 'man of God' shld take credit for anything that happens in their ministry. Now I know that all the members of 'Daddy's church will attack me. You guys must just be careful not to Hero-worship any human being. Trust me, I know what it's all about, I just left a church where sthing like that is being done.
@A_K_O, our vision is taking the divine presence of God to the peoples of the earth, when that program comes, the sick guy on the bed doesn't want to know that he's going to meet with some dude called A_K_O! Even if he has Jesus! (". . .as long as he's still a child. . ." in the things of the Spirit according to Gal. 4: 1) Except of course he's grown and has been known to DO THINGS! - Miracles! That fellow's looking for someone who has some power he can get from to heal himself or get healed! Jesus is the main source of everything and that's why Pastor teaches about Him - FIRST! In atmosphere for miracles, There's first teaching about The Healer, and then testimonies to strengthen the faith of the afflicted and let him know his in the right place of opportunity for his healing, and then together with Pastor, we worship and he speaks and remind us of various things the Holy Spirit wants us to remember and then as we worship, people get healed, for some, he has to minister without laying hands, for others he has to lay hands and so on and so forth so. . . The Lord Jesus is how we do it! And I keep wondering if people think and ask themselves "how do this people have CONSISTENT miracles and win in life, without Jesus" Isn't your God a just God?! See, because we have the Lord, we can ALWAYS win! That doesn't mean those that don't win don't have the Lord with and in them; it's how much of him you know by revelation which comes by hearing the "Worth Hearing" words! Pastor Chris says "Your revelation is your limitation"; you can only do as much as you know is possible! And really, "Worth Hearing" shouldn't be your problem, if his words have really impacted your life, they'll be worth hearing, plus, the man's words have been found to be God's words - Words of power, words that come to pass; if God has placed his words in You and I KNOW and find it to be true, Gee! I would think you're also worth hearing, but are You known for that?! Well, we hero everyone responsible for what is done. First we Hero - the main guy! The doer of the work - the glory of the Father - The Carrier of the Power and presence of God - The Holy Ghost who we also know as Jesus! Then we start heroing those whom he used WHO! (before anyone shouts at me) yielded themselves to be used (we call them partners and workers), because God wouldn't have forced them! He says "Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years." (I hope that wasn't attacking!) 2. I totally agree with the National Broadcasting Corporation's decision some years back to ban the miracle programmes cause basically because they cannot be proven on TV. What stops me from bringing my house boy and promising him an extra tip at the end of the month if he claims to be healed on international TV? I've never been to any of the crusades and don't intend to go for any but I'm still believing God for the day that a stump will become an arm on live TV; NBC would'nt have mouth then. Well, I won't say you shouldn't go for one of the programs - you really should - you may be that one God will use to make the world of people believe that this is one of His major outlets and servants for today - when you actually see and really get FREAKED OUT! seeing a bed-ridden fellow you knew get up! Some have actually seen, but because they just won't "Go into all the world and preach (annouce) that gospel, " people don't know the truth. (I hope that wasn't attacking!)
3. Sometime in 2006, mumsy is on her way to SA at the airport. Then she sees these 'Men in Black', black shoes, suits, shades(indoors), etc in motion, encircling an equally serious-faced Pastor Chris. There are as many angels given charge over me as there are angels given charge over him. Why he 'security'. He obviously needs to move with an entourage, I know that, but must they encircle him, making him completely inaccessible to a 'huge fan'? First, You see the issue from your own words?! How won't people say these strange things when you keep saying he has "FANS!". We are his children, not fans (talking about those of us who understand the truth)And then, my dear, you don't have the same type of angels as the man of God! Angels submit to authority! A man whose got so much authority to cast out instantly - in fact with one word?! common, you sure aren't there yet are you?! Otherwise, I'd love to also partner with your ministry too! Spread the word, heal people and stuff. . .
4. This one is not only for Pastor Chris. What is the biblical significance of the whole 'Pastor blows, person falls (whether they want to or not), usher catches, people shout? Is there any such pattern in the bible? After people got their healings/deliverances, did Jesus 'blow them away' to prove that the anointing was present? Please tell me oh. Well, Jesus did this with His disciples - Just as information - Pastor Chris really didn't like to do that earlier in the ministry. The Lord would say to do so, but he would always reply, "I don't like to do what I didn't see Jesus do", and until the Lord showed him where and how that Jesus did the same thing. And if you notice, he doesn't do it with everyone; he does it as instructed by the Holy Ghost. I urge you to watch "atmosphere for miracles" sometime and notice how that he's delayed to minister to some people, and that's because he's waiting for instruction - People never know, that's why he can hold on to some of them and sing for the next 3 minutes patiently waiting to hear from The Master. Pastor is amazing; Reverend Ken (his brother) once said "Pastor is so patient; I've never seen a patient man like that man; that would wait for God no matter how long it takes, you can go ahead, but when he hears from God! You will need special angels to catch up!" But I must say @A_K_O, You show willingness to learn, and that's a great spirit - it's only those that want that get! God give you more and more revelation and understanding in the knowledge of Him. I love you so much bro, God Bless you!!! 
@A K O
Thanks for your post. Firstly, nobody hero worships pastor Chris. We truly love Him because He has deposited so much in us. He's taught us that we don't need to call our pastors to pray 4 us in every situation; we have got what is needed to do same. i have put it to work and time without number, it has produced results, so why change a winning formula which is consistent with the bibleMy dear, there are a lot of things i have seen in church that makes me stake my neck for this ministry: so much so that even if Pastor Chris decides not to head it again, i wouldn't leave.
I sincerely understand all your points and i can categorically tell you that i used to be a bigger skeptic than some of the people who have posted here but through the years i have witnessed so much that i think it would be fool-hardy not to recognize the hand of God on this ministry.
@bish2001, why! Why did you steal my words there man! That's me you're talking about! I can't leave this ministry! Where will I go?! Reverend Ken said at the IPPC ", after all I have received in this ministry, it is HARD for anyone else to preside over me, because the revelation I carry is explosive!" again @A_K_O, I hope you got answers?! Feel free to ask some more, 'because that's how we all learnt and understood stuff! @away4real and @4Him, you fellows are interesting, we love you so much too! See, we love Jesus and adore and worship Him. If you don't understand why we do what we do after all explanations and teaching, I love what Pastor Chris said on "Maintaining a Perfect Heart" he says "brother, . . . that question is too high for you, leave it alone!" Gee! It's been a long post, aight I'm off to fellowship. God bless you all and God bless nairaland! |
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@ Papa,
you said something about HERO-yada-yada the one whom God has used/appointed. . .(sorry if i'm not quoting you verbatim, typing with my phone but the post's up there anyway). I've got one question for you though -
would you Hero worship the pastor if he didn't do miracles?
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donnie (m)
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Yeah i noticed A K O, he has the right spirit. . . Such people always find truth.
I'd advice Backsliders and co to take their hatred and witchcraft elsewhere. . .
We did not cause your frustration. . . neither did pastor Chris.
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donnie (m)
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@Wordsmith, . . .did he say he hero worshipped him for performing miracles. . . or u wished that was what he said?  I love pastor Chris because he has the Word in his mouth. I am really not in need of any miracle right now because in Christ i got all i need already on the inside of me. Glory! As a matter of fact, i had already joined Christ Embassy, was born again and recieved the Holy Ghost ever before i saw pastor Chris perform any miracle. I wasnt sick, needed no money because my folks werent broke; was just searching for truth. Rather, when we share the gospel, we help others recieve miracles from God. |
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Papa how was fellowship? What did you learn, u mind sharing? These are just a few things that I feel I should clarify in your post. I also want to make it clear that anything which seems like a personal attack on Pastor Chris is'nt intended to be. They are only principles that apply to everyone and some people in his calibre. And I keep wondering if people think and ask themselves "how do this people have CONSISTENT miracles and win in life, without Jesus" Isn't your God a just God?! See, because we have the Lord, we can ALWAYS win! God is not the author of all miracles. The devil puts cancer, deformities etc in people and so he who puts it there knows how well to remove it. In addition, the bible speaks about this in two instances i remember: the sorcerer guy in Acts, and Jesus warned about false prophets and so on. Again I do not adress this to Pastor Chris but I think it is a lesson that we must all consider. The bible calls the devil a liar and the father of lies/liars (can't rememba). One of the major tools of the enemy in this endtime is deception. The devil is way too smart to show up as a 'red beast with a pointed butt and a thre-pronged fork in one hand'. He uses the most seemingly authentic things; things that are actually fabricates of the original. That is the reason why i am ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL when it comes to Pastors that do miracles, most of which we, the T.V audience cannot prove. I am really believing God that REAL miracles (not to say that all the ones on TV are fake) begin to happen in and through ordinary, willing and Faith-full christians constantly. it's how much of him you know by revelation which comes by hearing the "Worth Hearing" words I believe that a christian should not see his/her Pastor as the primary source of revelation knowledge. This type of reliance is what has given birth to a lot of lazy christians (myself sometimes inclusive), who refuse to STUDY the word because they know "Pastor wil break it down anyway". It is also what has given rise to some of these so-called "Quotable quotes"; man using human wisdom to interprete scripture which is not only futile but causes people to cross that thin line between the Real and the deceptive like I mentioned earlier. (I hope that wasn't attacking!) No it wasnt dear. lol. Some have actually seen, but because they just won't "Go into all the world and preach (annouce) that gospel Why? They dey fear? Much of what we hear about these crusades is the other side, that really loads of you will deny but that won't change the truth anyway. I know people that know insiders in some of the mega ministries in Nigeria that have told me some disturbing truths which I definately will not share. But again, it is not for us to judge or argue whether they are true or not, I personally am planning to start praying for some of these men of God because some of them will make heaven but "weep and gnash their teeth". First, You see the issue from your own words?! How won't people say these strange things when you keep saying he has "FANS!" It was a joke and that is why you saw the word in quote. But then some people who, like you said lack understanding are his fans in their minds And then, my dear, you don't have the same type of angels as the man of God! Angels submit to authority! This one is a bit  . The Ministry of angels is largely misunderstood in the church today ( no personal attack intended). Firstly, lets look at good ol' Psalm 91, the 11th verse: "He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service] {AMPLIFIED} It is crucial to note that the fulfillment for this and every other promise in the chapter is dependent on upon one's meeting exactly the conditions of the first two verses which are (in a nutshell): 1. Dwell in the secret place of the Most High {thereby abiding under His shadow}. 2. Say of the Lord that He is your refuge and fortress, 3. Trust in Him. If Pastor Chris and myself are meeting these conditions, we enjoy the same level of angelic divine protection. Furthermore, Hebrews 1:14 says: Are not all ministering spirits (servants) sent out in the service of God {for the assistance} of those who are to inherit salvation? {AMP} I am one!!! Angels respond to the authority of Jesus' name exercised through a believer. But this authority may not necessarily translate to the outward manifestation of miracles. I think God has different times for different people to manifest his power outwardly, e.g a Pastor who is a faith person but has a problem with pride. God knows that that infirmity could lead to destruction if they start manifesting miracles. So throught the Holy Spirit, He begins to work on/break that Pastor's pride so that he can then manifest. Until then, no miracles, does't mean He isn't exercising authority. , for the record this is my longest post ever!!! |
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Papa (m)
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@ Papa,
you said something about HERO-yada-yada . . . would you Hero worship the pastor if he didn't do miracles?
. . . we hero everyone responsible for what is done Like @donnie said to you, look again at my post, I didn't say we hero worship, I said we hero - FINISH!
. . .As a matter of fact, i had already joined Christ Embassy, was born again and recieved the Holy Ghost ever before i saw pastor Chris perform any miracle. I wasnt sick, needed no money because my folks werent broke; was just searching for truth. Rather, when we share the gospel, we help others recieve miracles from God.
Same here @donnie, my folks weren't broke, praise God! I needed the truth, I thought there was more liberty in Christ to live in 24/7 Joy, rather than "ups and downs"; I was born again, had received the Holy Spirit, before I ever even knew there was a Christ Embassy. God's relocating me to Christ Embassy was simply to tell me what I had received and how to use it! And I'm grateful to God for all that; and nonetheless, if I would have needed to get born again, again, I would do it at Christ Embassy, but that's not possible and I'm glad Christ did it, ONCE AND FOR ALL (TIME)!
Papa how was fellowship? What did you learn, u mind sharing? Well, fellowship was as usual fantastic and glorious, people got saved, some others filled with the Holy Ghost and talking in tongues. . . One refused to speak in tongues, but after more teaching, she got it and received. Another fellow wanted to get born again, again, thinking his sins had wiped away the work of Jesus, but we taught him the truth. And praise God, he went home rejoicing! I learnt that we have an excellent Spirit at work in us and that we are responsible for ". . . showing forth the praises (glory - reason for men to give honor to God) of Him that birthed us into His marvelous light!"
God is not the author of all miracles. The devil puts cancer, deformities etc in people and so he who puts it there knows how well to remove it. In addition, the bible speaks about this in two instances i remember: the sorcerer guy in Acts, and Jesus warned about false prophets and so on. Again I do not adress this to Pastor Chris but I think it is a lesson that we must all consider. The bible calls the devil a liar and the father of lies/liars (can't rememba). One of the major tools of the enemy in this endtime is deception. The devil is way too smart to show up as a 'red beast with a pointed butt and a thre-pronged fork in one hand'. He uses the most seemingly authentic things; things that are actually fabricates of the original. That is the reason why i am ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL when it comes to Pastors that do miracles, most of which we, the T.V audience cannot prove. I am really believing God that REAL miracles (not to say that all the ones on TV are fake) begin to happen in and through ordinary, willing and Faith-full christians constantly. My dear friend, God IS the author of ALL miracles! Otherwise why does the bible say "Every good and perfect gift comes from God"?! The devil can't perform miracles; he may deceive you so you don't see that the disease is still there and make you think you're healed. I've noticed people who come to Pastor Chris and say they saw something go out of their bodies, Pastor won't even say a word about that and then he'll cast out the devil, why because the devil as you rightly tried to say is a liar and the father of lies! He is the one who speaks out of demon possessed people saying things like "I was the one who killed your wife", but he's lying, he would only create enmity between the one casting out devils and the possessed from his lie! That's why it's wrong to listen to what demon possessed people say while you're casting out devils, because that devil can only lie! He CAN NOT tell the truth - It's just NOT possible, Jesus said it's his language! Secondly, here's your Acts-sorcerer story, it doesn't connect with the topic! Act 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Act 13:7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.
Act 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
Act 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Act 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Act 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
Thirdly, here's one of the things Jesus said: Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
First, "Ye shall know them by their fruits", what fruits? If the fruits be good, the tree must indeed be good! Then, I want you to notice this is NOT where He said ". . . in my Name they shall cast out devils!" (as I just wrote this I felt stirred in my spirit, because that's reserved for me - Glory!!!) Why can't they use His Name?! Because he said Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
I italicized the "Pharisees" there 'because I heard someone call them the "Far to sees"; and the Saducees, the "Sad to sees" Too far and too sad to see good things (opening of blind eyes, unstopping of deaf ears, a 3.5 million man gathering for Jesus!? Where hundreds of thousands gave their lives to Jesus!? Common! That's something good!) We shouldn't be that way brethren! Why not praise good things! And just for a moment think on these verses Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. All men, just can't like a true prophet; and guess what, Jesus said he (a true prophet) will be first rejected in his on country! Mat 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. We don't hear of such strange stories and statements about Pastor Chris in South Africa?! Did you know that it was after the first time that Pastor set foot on the soil of South Africa that a lot changed?! Initially, you could drive to the mall and count the number of cars; but now. . .?! Don't even try! That's the presence of a prophet! Pastor's presence brought something new to South Africa and we glorify God, because, When God wants to save a nation, He sends a prophet! (Moses, Gideon, Joshua, Samson, Deborah, JESUS!!!)
. . .That is the reason why i am ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL when it comes to Pastors that do miracles, most of which we, the T.V audience cannot prove. I am really believing God that REAL miracles (not to say that all the ones on TV are fake) begin to happen in and through ordinary, willing and Faith-full christians constantly. You just look from what you wrote here how that many Christians have been taught to live so carnally today! In the bible days, when EVEN JESUS (or the disciples) healed people, he asked them to go and show themselves to the PRIEST to prove they were cleansed! Have you ever thought: "Why didn't he send them to doctors, like brother Luke - the doctor!?" Because when a man of God says you're healed - it is so! He's not speaking his words, he's saying what the Lord has shown him through the Spirit! But today, we are looking to doctors to PROVE the works of GOD?! How Carnal! How is that not walking according to the flesh?! How is this not willful rebellion against God's voice. Haven't we realized that a miracle is a Proof in itself that Jesus is still alive today! How can you ask for proof to a proof?! By what parameters do you prove that?! Why don't you give me a spiritual proof that your doctors drugs really healed you! Like Pastor would say, "When you need a miracle, you will believe!" What non-sense!!! For how long will the church allow this to continue - But Thanks be unto God, that's why me and you can hear such precious words, so that we change the situation! Hallelujah! I hope you didn't misunderstand my tone, back there - that was just righteous indignation!
I believe that a christian should not see his/her Pastor as the primary source of revelation knowledge. This type of reliance is what has given birth to a lot of lazy christians (myself sometimes inclusive), who refuse to STUDY the word because they know "Pastor wil break it down anyway". It is also what has given rise to some of these so-called "Quotable quotes"; man using human wisdom to interprete scripture which is not only futile but causes people to cross that thin line between the Real and the deceptive like I mentioned earlier. If that was to Christ Embassy members, then you shouldn't have said it, 'because interestingly no matter how much Pastor breaks it down, he would say ". . .study it for yourselves and you will see!" (is that right Christ Embassy members?!) But all together on that segment @A_K_O, I think you're still wrong, your saviour, bible AND pastor should be your primary source and then you can listen to other ministers - THAT SAY THE SAME THINGS - as you pastor(s). And this is why it's good to know who you're listening to! The bible says 2Th 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Why is YOUR (God's anointed) pastor's leadership important, just take a look at what God said to Moses: Exo 4:14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
Exo 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.
Exo 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him in stead of God. And I love that important question: "How do you say you hear and do the words of a God you can't see, when you don't do the simple ones of the one He sent to you, that you can see?!"
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