@ Papa,
you said something about HERO-yada-yada . . . would you Hero worship the pastor if he didn't do miracles?
. . . we hero everyone responsible for what is done
Like @donnie said to you, look again at my post, I didn't say we hero
worship, I said we hero - FINISH!
. . .As a matter of fact, i had already joined Christ Embassy, was born again and recieved the Holy Ghost ever before i saw pastor Chris perform any miracle. I wasnt sick, needed no money because my folks werent broke; was just searching for truth. Rather, when we share the gospel, we help others recieve miracles from God.
Same here @donnie, my folks weren't broke, praise God! I needed the truth, I thought there was more liberty in Christ to live in 24/7 Joy, rather than "ups and downs"; I was born again, had received the Holy Spirit, before I ever even knew there was a Christ Embassy. God's relocating me to Christ Embassy was simply to tell me what I had received and how to use it! And I'm grateful to God for all that; and nonetheless, if I would have needed to get born again, again, I would do it at Christ Embassy, but that's not possible and I'm glad Christ did it, ONCE AND FOR ALL (TIME)!
Papa how was fellowship? What did you learn, u mind sharing?
Well, fellowship was as usual fantastic and glorious, people got saved, some others filled with the Holy Ghost and talking in tongues. . . One refused to speak in tongues, but after more teaching, she got it and received. Another fellow wanted to get born again, again, thinking his sins had wiped away the work of Jesus, but we taught him the truth. And praise God, he went home rejoicing! I learnt that we have an excellent Spirit at work in us and that we are responsible for ". . . showing forth the praises (glory - reason for men to give honor to God) of Him that
birthed us into His marvelous light!"
God is not the author of all miracles. The devil puts cancer, deformities etc in people and so he who puts it there knows how well to remove it. In addition, the bible speaks about this in two instances i remember: the sorcerer guy in Acts, and Jesus warned about false prophets and so on. Again I do not adress this to Pastor Chris but I think it is a lesson that we must all consider. The bible calls the devil a liar and the father of lies/liars (can't rememba). One of the major tools of the enemy in this endtime is deception. The devil is way too smart to show up as a 'red beast with a pointed butt and a thre-pronged fork in one hand'. He uses the most seemingly authentic things; things that are actually fabricates of the original. That is the reason why i am ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL when it comes to Pastors that do miracles, most of which we, the T.V audience cannot prove. I am really believing God that REAL miracles (not to say that all the ones on TV are fake) begin to happen in and through ordinary, willing and Faith-full christians constantly.
My dear friend, God
IS the author of
ALL miracles! Otherwise why does the bible say "Every good and perfect gift comes from God"?! The devil can't perform miracles; he may deceive you so you don't see that the disease is still there and make you think you're healed. I've noticed people who come to Pastor Chris and say they saw something go out of their bodies, Pastor won't even say a word about that and then he'll cast out the devil, why because the devil as you rightly tried to say is a liar and the father of lies! He is the one who speaks out of demon possessed people saying things like "I was the one who killed your wife", but he's lying, he would only create enmity between the one casting out devils and the possessed from his lie! That's why it's wrong to listen to what demon possessed people say while you're casting out devils, because that devil can only lie! He
CAN NOT tell the truth - It's just NOT possible, Jesus said it's his language!
Secondly, here's your Acts-sorcerer story, it doesn't connect with the topic!
Act 13:6 And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:
Act 13:7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.
Act 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
Act 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Act 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Act 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.
Thirdly, here's one of the things Jesus said:
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
First, "Ye shall know them by their fruits", what fruits? If the fruits be good, the tree must indeed be good!
Then, I want you to notice this is NOT where He said ". . .
in my Name they shall cast out devils!" (as I just wrote this I felt stirred in my spirit, because that's reserved for me - Glory!!!)
Why can't they use His Name?! Because he said
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
I italicized the "Pharisees" there 'because I heard someone call them the "Far to sees"; and the Saducees, the "Sad to sees" Too far and too sad to see good things (opening of blind eyes, unstopping of deaf ears, a 3.5 million man gathering for Jesus!? Where hundreds of thousands gave their lives to Jesus!? Common! That's something good!) We shouldn't be that way brethren! Why not praise good things!
And just for a moment think on these verses
Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
All men, just can't like a true prophet; and guess what, Jesus said he (a true prophet) will be first rejected in his on country!
Mat 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
We don't hear of such strange stories and statements about Pastor Chris in South Africa?! Did you know that it was after the first time that Pastor set foot on the soil of South Africa that a lot changed?! Initially, you could drive to the mall and count the number of cars; but now. . .?! Don't even try! That's the presence of a prophet! Pastor's presence brought something new to South Africa and we glorify God, because,
When God wants to save a nation, He sends a prophet! (Moses, Gideon, Joshua, Samson, Deborah, JESUS!!!)
. . .That is the reason why i am ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL when it comes to Pastors that do miracles, most of which we, the T.V audience cannot prove. I am really believing God that REAL miracles (not to say that all the ones on TV are fake) begin to happen in and through ordinary, willing and Faith-full christians constantly.
You just look from what you wrote here how that many Christians have been taught to live so carnally today! In the bible days, when
EVEN JESUS (or the disciples) healed people, he asked them to go and show themselves to the
PRIEST to prove they were cleansed! Have you ever thought: "Why didn't he send them to doctors, like brother Luke - the doctor!?" Because when a man of God says you're healed - it is so! He's not speaking his words, he's saying what the Lord has shown him through the Spirit! But today, we are looking to doctors to PROVE the works of
GOD?! How Carnal! How is that not walking according to the flesh?! How is this not willful rebellion against God's voice. Haven't we realized that a miracle is a Proof in itself that Jesus is still alive today! How can you ask for proof to a proof?! By what parameters do you prove that?! Why don't you give me a spiritual proof that your doctors drugs really healed you! Like Pastor would say, "When you need a miracle, you will believe!"
What non-sense!!! For how long will the church allow this to continue - But Thanks be unto God, that's why me and you can hear such precious words, so that we change the situation! Hallelujah!
I hope you didn't misunderstand my tone, back there - that was just righteous indignation!
I believe that a christian should not see his/her Pastor as the primary source of revelation knowledge. This type of reliance is what has given birth to a lot of lazy christians (myself sometimes inclusive), who refuse to STUDY the word because they know "Pastor wil break it down anyway". It is also what has given rise to some of these so-called "Quotable quotes"; man using human wisdom to interprete scripture which is not only futile but causes people to cross that thin line between the Real and the deceptive like I mentioned earlier.
If that was to Christ Embassy members, then you shouldn't have said it, 'because interestingly no matter how much Pastor breaks it down, he would say ". . .study it for yourselves and you will see!" (is that right Christ Embassy members?!) But all together on that segment @A_K_O, I think you're still wrong, your saviour, bible AND pastor should be your primary source and then you can listen to other ministers - THAT SAY THE SAME THINGS - as you pastor(s).
And this is why it's good to know who you're listening to! The bible says
2Th 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2Th 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Why is YOUR (God's anointed) pastor's leadership important, just take a look at what God said to Moses:
Exo 4:14 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.
Exo 4:15 And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do.
Exo 4:16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him in stead of God.
And I love that important question: "How do you say you hear and do the words of a God you can't see, when you don't do the simple ones of the one He sent to you, that you can see?!"
This one is a bit
. The Ministry of angels is largely misunderstood in the church today ( no personal attack intended). Firstly, lets look at good ol' Psalm 91, the 11th verse: "He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service] {AMPLIFIED} It is crucial to note that the fulfillment for this and every other promise in the chapter is dependent on upon one's meeting exactly the conditions of the first two verses which are (in a nutshell): 1. Dwell in the secret place of the Most High {thereby abiding under His shadow}. 2. Say of the Lord that He is your refuge and fortress, 3. Trust in Him.
If Pastor Chris and myself are meeting these conditions, we enjoy the same level of angelic divine protection.
Furthermore, Hebrews 1:14 says: Are not all ministering spirits (servants) sent out in the service of God {for the assistance} of those who are to inherit salvation? {AMP} I am one!!!
Angels respond to the authority of Jesus' name exercised through a believer. But this authority may not necessarily translate to the outward manifestation of miracles. I think God has different times for different people to manifest his power outwardly, e.g a Pastor who is a faith person but has a problem with pride. God knows that that infirmity could lead to destruction if they start manifesting miracles. So throught the Holy Spirit, He begins to work on/break that Pastor's pride so that he can then manifest. Until then, no miracles, does't mean He isn't exercising authority.
, for the record this is my longest post ever!!!Let's start here, from your Psalm 91:3
if you trust Jesus enough, why don't you go carry your own loudspeaker to preach about Him and cast out devils and expect them to go!? The one who is already doing it sure trusts Him to perform more than you do - for a reason. If there's more trust, I would expect from YOUR OWN judgement, that the more the condition is fulfilled the more results should be expected!
And oh how excellent that you say this: "Angels respond to the authority of Jesus' name exercised through a believer", but let's ask ourselves a question, will they respond to your authority more than you respond to the authority in the Name of Jesus!? You surely don't respond to it that much, otherwise we should have read of you in the newspapers as one of the greatest users of that authority in healing the sick and casting out devils too! Or are you battling with pride?!
Ok that was just for my laughing pleasure! Ignore that question!
What about this?
If pastor Chris is getting all those results, by his angels ministering to people in places that he's not, why are yours not doing so, since it's the same Jesus's Name!?
Oh, and that was my longest post too - I think!
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