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D-reloaded (f)
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Westerners tell you that you should teach your children birth control and sex education, yet their children are ever increasingly getting pregnant in their early teens.
Westerners tell you that you should never spank your child: they say it means you're teaching your child violence, yet their children are getting more violent by the day. The children who are reared these days in the west are the ones who have never recieved proper discipline at the right time and they are super violent but those who were brought up in the days when parents were allowed to discipline their children are the ones who made the countries great.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about The "westerners"" you'd most likely see teaching tehri children sex education and birth control are the white ones and yet they are less likely to have teen mothers compared to black americans who don't teach their kids. and what the hell does speanking have to do with anything. With all the spanking, why is Nigeria still corrupt? Were the yahoo boys not spanked? Abeg make we hear word |
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trueluva (f)
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Mother's need to step up and take control over this teen pregnancy.
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4 Play (m)
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You obviously don't know what you are talking about
The "westerners"" you'd most likely see teaching tehri children sex education and birth control are the white ones and yet they are less likely to have teen mothers compared to black americans who don't teach their kids.
and what the hell does speanking have to do with anything. With all the spanking, why is Nigeria still corrupt? Were the yahoo boys not spanked? Abeg make we hear word There is little causal linkages between sex education/birth control and better reproductive health/decision making. In the states,the folks with the lowest teenage pregnancies are not whites but Asians.You think Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Arab parents sit their kids down and go through the nitty gritty of sexual intercourse? That Blacks in the US have that problem has a lot to do with socio-economic factors have nothing to do with sex education. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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4Play, for america im not exactly going to use sex education sin ce they all go to the same schools whre alot do have sex education classes anyway
and I'm not going to start adding Asia in the mixed. quit trying to amke the issue even more complex, First it was Africa, now it's Western World and you want to try to slip in Asia now?
My annoyance is just people who assume ""oh talking about contraceptives and stuff like the oyibo people will make our kids wild and sleep around yada yada" What exactky has NOT discussing this with them done. Last I checked teen pregnancies wasnt low in Africa. Population of those inflicted with Aids is still high, scaring people with God's wrath obviously isnt working, I mean what exactly is the problem/solution then.
as for your socio-economic factors, care to give me examoples/reasons. I've yet to understand why teen pregnancies and Aids is high in the black community. Doesnt make sense esp since they are just the minority in the states.
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4 Play (m)
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When I referred to Asian kids,I was referring to Asian kids living in America to rebut your suggestion that 'sex-educated' white kids had lower teenage pregnancies-compared to Blacks,yes,but compared to Asians,no.
The key socio-economic factor I was referring to is income and education levels.You will find that Black and white families within broadly similar income and education brackets have broadly same reproductive history.Whites from working class backgrounds,with low levels of education,have relatively high teenage pregnancies.It just happens that a disproportionate level of Blacks have low incomes and poor educational backgrounds.
Why is AIDS more prominent amongst Blacks in the US?I guess its a product of AIDS being more rampant amongst Blacks generally,worldwide that is.With people more likely to sleep with people of the same race,it spreads easily.
AIDS is more rampant with Blacks worldwide because its essentially a disease of African origin,by most estimates.AIDS is like malaria-there are some STDs that are more prominent amongst whites than amongst blacks-we just happened to get the worst.
It will be interesting to compare the general STD levels(heard 1/4 of American women have STDs) between the Western world and Africa.
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D-reloaded (f)
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Why is AIDS more prominent amongst Blacks in the US?I guess its a product of AIDS being more rampant amongst Blacks generally,worldwide that is.With people more likely to sleep with people of the same race,it spreads easily.
AIDS is more rampant with Blacks worldwide because its essentially a disease of African origin,by most estimates. Ok now I'm confuzzled. what do you mean by people sleeping with people of the same race. who exactly are caucasians sleeping with? It'd be cool if you were to go in depth in regards to the second comment too. |
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4 Play (m)
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Ok now I'm confuzzled. what do you mean by people sleeping with people of the same race. who exactly are caucasians sleeping with?
It'd be cool if you were to go in depth in regards to the second comment too.
Blacks are more likely to sleep with Blacks,whites with whites.Perhaps,whites are more cautious when they sleep with blacks. There are also substantial numbers of whites who will never sleep with blacks. AIDS,though discovered in the US,could have been silently spreading in Africa for decades undetected.It was only detected once the infection reached the US.So that gave it momentum to spread without anything being done about it. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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Blacks are more likely to sleep with Blacks,whites with whites.Perhaps,whites are more cautious when they sleep with blacks.
any reason why whites who sleep with whites get HIV too? what I would agree with is that whites are alot more cautious in general. I wish I knew why that was esp ina country where we are all exposed to the same information. |
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4 Play (m)
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any reason why whites who sleep with whites get HIV too?
If they sleep with a white partner who has slept with a black partner,that is how HIV crosses racial boundaries . |
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D-reloaded (f)
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and the blacks that do sleep together and don't get AIDs, are they super human?
Gosh 4Play, I hope no one from stormfront is reading this site.
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4 Play (m)
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Its not like every Black person has HIV.Is it not 2% of the adult population? Fact is,you are more likely to contract HIV sleeping with Blacks than sleeping with whites.
There are high-risk areas or people.A Nigerian sleeping with South Africans is putting himself at greater risk than if he was sleeping with Senegalese.
Pretty much everyone knows this.In the UK,Blacks(2% of the population) are responsible for 60% of all known HIV cases.
That's life. Was it not 'white borne' diseases that helped wipe out the native populations of the US?
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ifyalways (f)
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@topic,both parents are to be blamed and not just the mothers.
sex education is still in some homes a no-go area.its so bad that a child that even have the guts to talk or ask questions about sexuality is looked as a stray child or a promiscuous one and is quickly chided and the topic not discussed.
in some homes,the most the daughters get to hear from their mum once they start menstruating,is that"if a man touches you,you would get pregnant".in such cases,the gals are left at the mercy of the school teacher and peer groups who often misdirect such people.
the fathers too are not better off.they are so busy chasing money that all they are probable to tell their son is "son,don't get close to any girl,don't get anybody pregnant" and they assume that is all the child is supposed to know.
most families only get to talk when its too late,either when one child gets pregnant out of wedlock or when their son becomes a boy-father.
check out the mags in the news stand,the songs aired on tvs and radio and then look at a child with little or no knowledge of what sex is all about . .
environment where one stays and grows up in,peer groups,non-chalant attitude of parents and the general pollution in the society are all factors to be considered too.in such cases it takes real guts and self discipline to stay safe.
talking of schools,i think sex education is better dealt with a private schools,who ever heard of sex education in Govt schools in nigeria now?hehe, gone are those days.every child is on her/his own.
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Kobojunkie
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@topic,both parents are to be blamed and not just the mothers.
sex education is still in some homes a no-go area.its so bad that a child that even have the guts to talk or ask questions about sexuality is looked as a stray child or a promiscuous one and is quickly chided and the topic not discussed.
in some homes,the most the daughters get to hear from their mum once they start menstruating,is that"if a man touches you,you would get pregnant".in such cases,the gals are left at the mercy of the school teacher and peer groups who often misdirect such people.
the fathers too are not better off.they are so busy chasing money that all they are probable to tell their son is "son,don't get close to any girl,don't get anybody pregnant" and they assume that is all the child is supposed to know.
most families only get to talk when its too late,either when one child gets pregnant out of wedlock or when their son becomes a boy-father.
check out the mags in the news stand,the songs aired on tvs and radio and then look at a child with little or no knowledge of what sex is all about . .
environment where one stays and grows up in,peer groups,non-chalant attitude of parents and the general pollution in the society are all factors to be considered too.in such cases it takes real guts and self discipline to stay safe.
talking of schools,i think sex education is better dealt with a private schools,who ever heard of sex education in Govt schools in nigeria now?hehe, gone are those days.every child is on her/his own.
This is the reality of the world we live in today. Teen pregnancy exists in both white and black areas. It is higher with blacks but still very high with whites. Sex education has been a part of this society for so many decades now for it to have a tremendous positive effect if it was to be considered successful but so far, that has not been the case. Compared to the seventies when it was not really a part of the curriculum, the problem has sky rocketed to a point that we can not consider it to have failed to achieve what it was meant to achieve. But during this same time we have observed that communities where sex education have for the longest not been part of the curriculum as it has been presented to the general have so far, remained at the low end of the spectrum. Barely changing much since way before the seventies. Countries like Japan where teen pregnancy and even sex is treated as taboo remain on the seriously low end of the spectrum, even with their many advancements and their not going with the west when it comes to the approach used. My question to only intelligent human beings out there is this, If opening up and speaking openly about sex and doing it the westernized way have continously shown poor results in majority of the places that have implemented this approach, why in the world is it something one would want mothers in africa to adopt??? Even better, my question is if even students who have been educated in these sex seminars, already know to use protection and all that jazz still run in the high numbers of those who end up pregnant, with STDS and the likes, where does the notion that more sex education ( the same old they have gotten over and over) is the cure?? Among women between the ages of 18 and 35 in america who have abortions (have unwanted pregancies as a result of sex), a seriously high percentage of them are people who already know to use protection and have been on birth control for the most of their lives. So how to reduce the numbers?? give them more sex education  Education has never really been a cure all so why try to make it so in this case??? |
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D-reloaded (f)
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Ok 4Play let's go with this "black partners cause Aids" theory, still what is stopping one group from using protection as opposed to the other considering they are both exposed to the same type of information
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daraxz
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i do nt vvant to believe our mothers ignorant.hovvever, ido believe that birthcontrol is a matter that should be handled delicately.mothers should educate their daughters.onmatters relating to sex.birthcontrol pills have sideeffects that could harm vvomen.mt point is it shouldnt be enforced but daughters should be taught to respect their bodies.sex should be their desicion not some societal pressure or percieved vvestern infuence.sex education is an important part of life that shouldnt be ignored.
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Blatant
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You obviously don't know what you are talking about
The "westerners"" you'd most likely see teaching tehri children sex education and birth control are the white ones and yet they are less likely to have teen mothers compared to black americans who don't teach their kids.
and what the hell does speanking have to do with anything. With all the spanking, why is Nigeria still corrupt? Were the yahoo boys not spanked? Abeg make we hear word
You are obviously a ranting person who wants to be listened to without logic. White westerners also have teenage pregnancy. I live in a place where we see white teenage mothers everyday. The fact that you can't get what I was driving at with the reference to child discipline tells me that YOU DONT KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. In the same vein, what has corruption got to do with what's being discussed here? You are too ignorant in thinking that your own location is where the world ends. |
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~Lady~ (f)
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@ bawomol nigeria is getting influences by western culture rapidly. u watched western movies and listen to western musics. this is the internet age, u think nigerian kids can be isolated for long. i went to secondary school in naija and i knew sexual activities were going on.this was rarely discussed due to the social stigma Nigerians stupidly associate with it. That's the problem. We're forgetting ourselves and looking to the west for answers. What works for the west does not work for Africans. In America, the so called great, 8 year olds want to have babies as if it's a fad and then to disgrace themselves and their family even more they proclaim in on national television. Stop looking at the way the west does things and then copy them. IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T WORK FOR US. We have our own culture. The western way caters to the western culture, certainly their ways cannot cater to the African culture, considering that our culture is a complete 180 from theirs.  Silly I knew u were in America, I was poking fun. The way u disregarded Africa and started talking about the American way made it seem like your a man who just came from the village and wanted to announce to the world that u have landed "obodo oyinbo"  |
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D-reloaded (f)
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Lady what exactly is working for Africans?
Blatant, when you ready to express your views in a way that make sense, get back to me. Until then "ma da mi la mu" since all you are doing is *yelling*
Btw I never said single white teen moms don't exist but the fact that blacks being the minority can still overtake those who are the MAJORITY in a country in that aspect says a lot. Anyway I'm done with that
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~Lady~ (f)
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Okay the problemis that we truly don't talk about it. Our parents (not just mothers, there are homes without mothers) need to talk to us about the disadvantages of sexual intercourse outside of the marital bed or at an early age. I don't believe in encouraging our children with contraceptives though. That truly leads to promiscuity. I know We need to eduacte our children on the different diseases out there. I spoke to my little sis and bro and definitely showed them pictures. Well let's just say that they may virgins for life. But we don't have to do things the western way. Certainly we can educate our kids based on our experiences. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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Knowing what contraceptive is doesnt mean you are encouraging them to use it. Like I've said many times, if you raise your child well, you can shove condoms down their throat and it still wouldnt bother them .
Infact maybe we shouldnt tell them where babies come from so they wont be tempted to have their own abi?
Btw the ones that still go ahead and have sex despite scary stories, strict religious upbringing and what not, isnt it better that they are at the very least protected if they do decide to choose a different path?
I'm trying to understand you people here.
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4Him (m)
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Its not like every Black person has HIV.Is it not 2% of the adult population? Fact is,you are more likely to contract HIV sleeping with Blacks than sleeping with whites.
uh oh!  Knowing what contraceptive is doesnt mean you are encouraging them to use it. Like I've said many times, if you raise your child well, you can shove condoms down their throat and it still wouldnt bother them .
If i had learnt to use condoms at 17 it would have "bothered" me o. I was raised well too so there.  Its not as easy as ABC, there are pros and cons to teaching a kid about sex . . . pros - the kid can make a smart choice to stay celibate till he/she is older. Cons - it may be the catalyst to get the kid to start experimenting with sex with the misguided belief that all he/she needs is a few pills and a tube. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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well i was raised in this sex-hyped country for the most part and none of that nonsense bothers me so there!  I agree with your Con but like i said "being well brought up by explaining why it's good to wait and the various consequences ALONG with general education on sex" is enough for a SANE child, not those obanje children  |
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4Him (m)
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You are perhaps one out of the very many who ended up making wrong choices in life.
How do you define a "sane" child? It is impossible to know whether an 11yr old will choose to stay on the side of reason or not when he is 17.
For a female child i'll assume her mother will do the right thing and broach the subject of sex education as soon as they start sprouting tiny breasts and begin menstruating.
For males . . . i'd wait until they are much older.
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D-reloaded (f)
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For a female child i'll assume her mother will do the right thing and broach the subject of sex education as soon as they start sprouting tiny breasts and begin menstruating.
For males . . . i'd wait until they are much older.
If you read Islander's story, I can assure you that is the extent of "sex talk" most mothers have with their kids at the beginning of puberty because that's EXACTLY what I and my sister were told. "Dont play with boys" the end. That might have been "enough" then but definitely not now with the world we live in so yea I think guys should be told sooner actually because they get peer pressured into it way before girls, know how many guys lost their virginities to actual prostitutes in their teens? It's alarming |
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4 Play (m)
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Ok 4Play let's go with this "black partners cause Aids" theory, still what is stopping one group from using protection as opposed to the other considering they are both exposed to the same type of information
Correction.Black partners are more likely to be HIV positive. . . .different from "black partners cause Aids". I don't know whether the stats show disproportionately lower protection usage by Blacks but I do know-given the far higher rates of HIV infections amongst Blacks-Blacks have to use protection at a far higher level than whites to curb the infection. If we use protection at the same rates as white,that won't be good enough.We need drastically higher levels of protection usage to reverse the trend. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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Correction.Black partners are more likely to be HIV positive. . . .different from "black partners cause Aids".
I don't know whether the stats show disproportionately lower protection usage by Blacks but I do know-given the far higher rates of HIV infections amongst Blacks-Blacks have to use protection at a far higher level than whites to curb the infection.
If we use protection at the same rates as white,that won't be good enough.We need drastically higher levels of protection usage to reverse the trend.
Fisrt off I was obviously making fun of the theory Secondly Ok fine blacks have to use protection at a higher rate, so WHY THE HELL DONT THEY? They are in the same country where information about HIV is contantly bombarded on us so what is the problem? The KNOW that HIV is high in the black communities so again what is stopping them from protecting themselves? people keep making excuses for them by blaming economic factors, what is so special about other people that know enough to protect themselves? |
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4 Play (m)
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@D-reloaded I don't know!!!!!!!! Part of the reason is the socio-economic factors I pointed to but the rest beats my imagination.Here in the UK,Afro-Carribeans are 12 times more likely to have gonorhhea than whites and often have 20 times the level of STDs compared to others- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3092611.stm You might say that this is because of poor sex education amongst the Carribeans but Africans with far lower levels of sex education also have far lower levels of STDs.Same applies to Pakistanis,Indians and Bangladeshis. Maybe its just a "cultural" problem but what is clear is that higher levels of sex education doesn't necessarily lead to more responsible behaviour. |
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Kobojunkie
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FACTS
1) As of the year 2008 , Teen Pregnancy rate is lower in Nigeria than it is in America.
2) As of the year 2008, Abortion rate is lower in Nigeria than it is in America and most of the west actually.
3) I am not sure of the AIDS numbers yet and I refuse to speculate but it is not higher in Nigeria when you combine all STD issues.
so when you ask what is working for Nigeria right now?? LMAo!!!!
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4 Play (m)
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FACTS
3) I am not sure of the AIDS numbers yet and I refuse to speculate but it is not higher in Nigeria when you combine all STD issues.
so when you ask what is working for Nigeria right now?? LMAo!!!!
1 in 4 of every woman in America has an STD!I wonder where all that sex education has led them to. The lowest cases of STDs are to be found in the Muslim world. . . . .I somehow find it hard to believe that Saudi kids are being made to undergo comprehensive sex education. HIV cases are higher in Nigeria than the West but I'm not sure this is the same with respect to STDs generally. |
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4Him (m)
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so when you ask what is working for Nigeria right now?? LMAo!!!!
the fear of social stigma, our cultural policy of deliberate ignorance and overly religious nature is what is working in our favour for now. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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As of the year 2008,
when did 2008 start again?
Abeg, be quiet jo.
Anyway,
4Play I think it's the "culture" of "refusing to wear condoms because it's not *macho* that is killing them
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Kobojunkie
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the fear of social stigma, our cultural policy of deliberate ignorance and overly religious nature is what is working in our favour for now.
Ok, if it is working for us now, do we then go ahead and replace it with what has not so far worked for those who use it now?? I mean if you want to argue for changing what we have now to better, then we should go for what the middle east has and not what the west is offering right now as it happens to have failed in so many places. We can badmouth the practise in the middle east all we want but the truth remains, many of the countries still have some of the lowest numbers anywhere in the world. So again, the western idea is not a REASONABLE way to go if we are really looking to make the situation better and not worse. As of 2008, as in, From past years to present year (last count to date), before someone comes in to predict the future and claim doom is reason to adopt a failed ideology now, LMAO!!! |
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