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A sociologist ( Ebenezer Obadare, Department of Sociology, University of Kansas) has just published an article in the New Humanist (Nov – Dec 2007) describing the deplorable state of education in some of Nigeria erstwhile top universities. This is an interesting read and should serve as an object lesson in the damage posed by religious fundamentalism in university campuses. http://newhumanist.org.uk/1637Also see http://forum.nigeriantimesinternational.com/index.php?topic=2413.0. I have long posited this hypothesis and it is ever so refreshing to find a report which bears the same conclusion. In fact, any student of the history of the Dark Ages in Europe would have come to the same conclusion sooner. This should serve as a salutary lesson to everyone interested in the proper education of the citizenry. In fact, it is nearly 10 years ago (Dec 1997- Jan 1998) that I visited the a university in Cameroon and was appalled at the growing religiosity of the university students. Every evening at about 5pm I noticed groups of 30 - 50 students congregating in various houses or assembly halls to study the bible and other devotional materials. These gatherings typically lasted in excess of 3 hours and would occasionally extend till the small hours of the morning. Now, I may be biased, but I am given to understand that universities are institutions for the promotions of critical and rational thinking, intellectualism and the cultivation of the free inquiry. I did not attend such meetings but doubt if the subject of discussion was biblical textual criticism (Bart Ehrman), or the history of the Jews under the Roman colonial rule, or the Renaissance, or famine relief in Africa, or the Enlightenment philosophers (David Hume, Voltaire, Spinoza or Thomas Paine) or African literature (Soyinka, Achebe, Ngugi etc). It is my guess that they were gathered to develop strategies for the salvation of their souls in another world. Aside from the communal spirit and camaraderie of these events, can anything be more time-wasting and counter-educational than this endless kowtow to divine authority? I regularly meet religionists (Christians and otherwise) who brandish a (or several) university degree(s) but have no knowledge of some of the most basic fundamental precepts of science and logic. They are typically those who take a literalist interpretation of their various religious texts, such as the bible or great book. This is an embarrassment. Here are some of the beliefs they uphold in spite of the fact that there is absolutely no scientific evidence in their favour: 1) The belief that the earth is about 6000 years old as implied in the bible. Any basic study of geology should reveal that the earth is about 4 billion years old. It would simply not be possible for organic matter to be converted into petroleum fuels naturally in 6000 years. This should be an indictment to anyone who holds onto this young-earth theory (but should know better) and rides a petroleum-based vehicle. 2) The belief that there was a worldwide flood in which Noah saved his family and some wild-life as reported in the bible about 4000 years ago. This is just palpably false and erroneous. There is absolutely no evidence for such a global flood event. In fact, this account can be categorically scientifically refuted in no less than 1000 ways. 3) The belief that the soul enters the zygote at conception. This stupid idea forms the cornerstone of the opposition to stem-cell research, the next-generation therapy for the treatment of a multitude of ailments. 4) The belief that dinosaurs and humans once walked the earth some thousands of years ago. Dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago and humans (humanoids) have only walked this earth in the last 250 thousand years. 5) The belief that death, evil and suffering was the result of Adam and Eve disobeying a commandment in the garden of Eden. How about all the animals and plants that died out millions of years before humans evolved? These facts are easy to check, not least by a university student. Any good bookshop or university library should stock materials on these subjects. Can our education system sink any lower? Anyone looking for an object lesson on the impact of dogmatic, uncritical thinking should look no further than the persecution Galileo suffered for propounding that the earth travels around the sun (heliocentrism), rather than the sun travelling around the earth, geocentrism (as was maintained by the Catholic church). It was only in the 1990s that the Pope officially apologised for the persecution of Galileo. It is thanks to the Galilean understanding of celestial mechanics (not the biblical cosmology) that satellite technology is possible today. The potential for damage to our civilisation with biblical literalism, dogmatism and uncritical thinking is incalculable. The forces that assail us as a human civilisation are numerous and enormous. In Africa, these problems are compounded, principally due to poverty, scientific and technological illiteracy, rampant corruption and poor governance, attachment to unproductive superstitious beliefs, unfair global economic and trade agreements and natural environmental forces beyond our control. In the face of such problems, the last thing we want is a degradation of our only means of a resolution - education. Nigeria seems to have taken a path to intellectual barbarism through the spread of the barbaric beliefs of primitive nomadic stone-aged tribesmen from Judea ( Check out the barbarism of Numbers 31, Exodus 21:17, Joshua 10:26, Leviticus 27:29, etc). Every survey shows Nigeria as the most religious country in the world, but yet also the most corrupt and the most socially inequitable. Does such contradiction not say something about the parlous state of education and thinking in that country? Such beliefs are simply incompatible with enlightened 21st century thinking and inimical to the development of a universal humanistic ethic. It is about time we leave the literalism of the bible and qu-ran to the stone-age where they rightly belong and adopt and scientico-naturalistic worldview more suited to the challenges that confront us. If the entire African continent does not want to go down this degenerate road, we must find a way of arresting the decline in our institutions of learning and encourage the next generation of students to develop and think more critically. But am afraid, where Nigeria leads, the rest of Africa is never too far behind. ===================================================================================================== ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 Origin Of Christianity And Diabolical Mimicry In Anticipationhttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113860.0.html Hell Past, Hell Present; Which Do You Prefer?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113947.0.html#msg1971669 On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus, Part 2: http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113676.0.html When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113519.0.html When Was Jesus Born?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113449.0.html On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus 13012dg http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113342.0.html#msg1963529 Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113303.0.html What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113283.0.html Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113277.0.html#msg1962589 God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitlerhttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113186.0.html#msg1961537Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113181.0.html#msg1961343What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112990.0.html Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113871.0.html What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112997.0.html#msg1958617Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Commahttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112865.0.html#msg1957266 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2 http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112848.0.htmlHow Is Salvation Achieved? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112833.0.htmlOnly For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Storieshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibleshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311When Was Jesus Crucified?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam)http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353Faith-healers And Tele-evangelistshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528Where Did Sin Originate?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291For The Non-beleivers Only, 1http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631Has Atheism Got Principle? Nohttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriagehttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era?http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principleshttp://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268Great Books About Non-belief http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg194111quc02137Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God? http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113161.0.html#msg1960928Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975Genesis Vs Genetics http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-111474.0.htmlJesus Genealogy http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616£300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160==================================================================================================== |
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stimulus (m)
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A sociologist (Ebenezer Obadare, Department of Sociology, University of Kansas) has just published an article in the New Humanist (Nov – Dec 2007) describing the deplorable state of education in some of Nigeria erstwhile top universities. This is an interesting read and should serve as an object lesson in the damage posed by religious fundamentalism in university campuses.
I have long posited this hypothesis and it is ever so refreshing to find a report which bears the same conclusion. In fact, any student of the history of the Dark Ages in Europe would have come to the same conclusion sooner. This should serve as a salutary lesson to everyone interested in the proper education of the citizenry.
In fact, it is nearly 10 years ago (Dec 1997- Jan 1998) that I visited the a university in Cameroon and was appalled at the growing religiosity of the university students. Every evening at about 5pm I noticed groups of 30 - 50 students congregating in various houses or assembly halls to study the bible and other devotional materials. These gatherings typically lasted in excess of 3 hours and would occasionally extend till the small hours of the morning.
Now, I may be biased, but I am given to understand that universities are institutions for the promotions of critical and rational thinking, intellectualism and the cultivation of the free inquiry. I did not attend such meetings but doubt if the subject of discussion was biblical textual criticism (Bart Ehrman), or the history of the Jews under the Roman colonial rule, or the Renaissance, or famine relief in Africa, or the Enlightenment philosophers (David Hume, Voltaire, Spinoza or Thomas Paine) or African literature (Soyinka, Achebe, Ngugi etc). It is my guess that they were gathered to develop strategies for the salvation of their souls in another world. Aside from the communal spirit and camaraderie of these events, can anything be more time-wasting and counter-educational than this endless kowtow to divine authority?
I regularly meet religionists (Christians and otherwise) who brandish a (or several) university degree(s) but have no knowledge of some of the most basic fundamental precepts of science and logic. They are typically those who take a literalist interpretation of their various religious texts, such as the bible or koran. This is an embarrassment. Here are some of the beliefs they uphold in spite of the fact that there is absolutely no scientific evidence in their favour:
1) The belief that the earth is about 6000 years old as implied in the bible. Any basic study of geology should reveal that the earth is about 4 billion years old. It would simply not be possible for organic matter to be converted into petroleum fuels naturally in 6000 years. This should be an indictment to anyone who holds onto this young-earth theory (but should know better) and rides a petroleum-based vehicle.
2) The belief that there was a worldwide flood in which Noah saved his family and some wild-life as reported in the bible about 4000 years ago. This is just palpably false and erroneous. There is absolutely no evidence for such a global flood event. In fact, this account can be categorically scientifically refuted in no less than 1000 ways.
3) The belief that the soul enters the zygote at conception. This stupid idea forms the cornerstone of the opposition to stem-cell research, the next-generation therapy for the treatment of a multitude of ailments.
4) The belief that dinosaurs and humans once walked the earth some thousands of years ago. Dinosaurs went extinct about 65 million years ago and humans (humanoids) have only walked this earth in the last 250 thousand years.
5) The belief that death, evil and suffering was the result of Adam and Eve disobeying a commandment in the garden of Eden. How about all the animals and plants that died out millions of years before humans evolved? These facts are easy to check, not least by a university student. Any good bookshop or university library should stock materials on these subjects.
Can our education system sink any lower? Anyone looking for an object lesson on the impact of dogmatic, uncritical thinking should look no further than the persecution Galileo suffered for propounding that the earth travels around the sun (heliocentrism), rather than the sun travelling around the earth, geocentrism (as was maintained by the Catholic church). It was only in the 1990s that the Pope officially apologised for the persecution of Galileo. It is thanks to the Galilean understanding of celestial mechanics (not the biblical cosmology) that satellite technology is possible today. The potential for damage to our civilisation with biblical literalism, dogmatism and uncritical thinking is incalculable.
The forces that assail us as a human civilisation are numerous and enormous. In Africa, these problems are compounded, principally due to poverty, scientific and technological illiteracy, rampant corruption and poor governance, attachment to unproductive superstitious beliefs, unfair global economic and trade agreements and natural environmental forces beyond our control. In the face of such problems, the last thing we want is a degradation of our only means of a resolution - education. Nigeria seems to have taken a path to intellectual barbarism through the spread of the barbaric beliefs of primitive nomadic stone-aged tribesmen from Judea (Check out the barbarism of Numbers 31, Exodus 21:17, Joshua 10:26, Leviticus 27:29, etc). Every survey shows Nigeria as the most religious country in the world, but yet also the most corrupt and the most socially inequitable. Does such contradiction not say something about the parlous state of education and thinking in that country? Such beliefs are simply incompatible with enlightened 21st century thinking and inimical to the development of a universal humanistic ethic. It is about time we leave the literalism of the bible and koran to the stone-age where they rightly belong and adopt and scientico-naturalistic worldview more suited to the challenges that confront us.
If the entire African continent does not want to go down this degenerate road, we must find a way of arresting the decline in our institutions of learning and encourage the next generation of students to develop and think more critically. But am afraid, where Nigeria leads, the rest of Africa is never too far behind.
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may the lord forgive your ignorance. you are even bold enough to state scriptures and call them barbaric. ha! it is only a fool that says in his heart that there is no god.
i thought u wanted to say aomething reasonable like telling undergraduates to read their books and also serve god, but you are totally against serving god. first of all what religion do you practice? if you are a pagan i won't be surprised.
first of all note that christianity is not a religion. it is man's personal relationship with the alpha and omega.who made those scientists ? who kept them alive? who formed the moon and stars? even you who gave you life?
i was so ashamed when i found out no one responded to you. christians, are we now afraid to stand and teach ignorant people the truth? please join me let us tell this individual what he does not know.
please this is an opportunity for you to surrender your life to christ, you may not see an opportunity like this anymore. had i known is a brother to mister too late. you may be intelligent but without jesus you are nothing. myself writing to you am very intelligent but without god i am nothing.
may god open your eyes so that you can see beyond the physical (amen).
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rickii (f)
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It is rather unfortunate dt despite ur cogent points about students and people in general jst playing religion n not focusing on the essence of education you have debunked Christianity and any other religion that exists in the world for that matter.You are obviously an atheist and i think i should point this out to you-do not criticize or persecute that which you do not fully understand-apparently,you do not understand or have never had the experience of having a relationship with God.
It was rather heart-wrenching for me to read your piece because it is clear you lack knowledge of the spiritual and i feel sorry for UIntellect,Intelligence and knowledge of the physical isn't all there is to life,human beings are also made up of the spiritual and mental .I advice that you give your life to Christ and let go of your pride,without God you are nothing.There is no point attaining much physically and perishing in eternal damnation.
You seem to place yourself highly believing that you are the centre of your world.You are not,God is and he loves UIt is in your best interest to look for God and ask for forgiveness i'm not saying you should go running from church to mosque to temple.You are already lost and confused n i would not want to compound the problem.You need to seek God in your life for without him you are nothing.NOTHING.You would nt carry intellectual prowess to the grave.
Heaven is real.Hell is not a figment of the imagination.God loves UDo not say you haven't been warned.Like camchupa stated,its only God that can forgive your ignorance.
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therationa (m)
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When are you going to stop preaching and start thinking more?
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vowiski (m)
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THE TRUTH IS BITTER.
GO! POSTER, M WITH YOU.
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therationa (m)
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THE TRUTH IS BITTER.
GO! POSTER, M WITH YOU.
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hey poster, in your no. 1 somersault, u were vomiting rubbish about the world being billions of years old. i doubt if you read the bible because if you do, you can't advertise your ignorance this way. anyway, the holy bible says that a thousand years with us is as one day with God, and one day with God is as a thousand years with us. so, go dust your bible and your brains.
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therationa (m)
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hey poster, in your no. 1 somersault, u were vomiting rubbish about the world being billions of years old. i doubt if you read the bible because if you do, you can't advertise your ignorance this way. anyway, the holy bible says that a thousand years with us is as one day with God, and one day with God is as a thousand years with us. so, go dust your bible and your brains.
Why don't you get your mind out of the bible and learn to think for once? Also see : http://forum.nigeriantimesinternational.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=d39fb5d233c8b3542fee740bda6d484f&topic=2413.0 |
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Wordsmith
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Why don't you get your mind out that which influences you and think in the Bible for once?
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Wordsmith
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Why don't you get your mind out that which influences you and think in the Bible for once?
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therationa (m)
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Why don't you get your mind out that which influences you and think in the Bible for once?
What advances has the bible brought into the world other than bigotry. You made my point for me. Thankx |
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therationa (m)
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Any more input?
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Wordsmith
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There's none to be made, no long ting.
I never made "your point", it is the usual for u and your other clown to read everything negative in another man's post.
And actually, therationa, you are the bigot. I don't see Christians burning flags, killing your kind anytime you go on another i-hate-Christians ala Christianity fest.
Keep looking for what it is u're looking for to justify your prejudice. . .
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camchupa
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therationa, are you still waiting to give your life to christ? imagine someone who knew nothing about your debt coming to pay for you? it is because of the love he has for you and me. please do not let this year pass you by.
i have an offer to make to you and i am sure you would like it. why not surrender your life to christ just for thhree months. obey the instructions in the bible and fellowship with the saints of God. if after doing all these you do not see something strange that God will do for you, you are free to call me whatever names you like to.
be warned that if you insult me without trying my suggestions, you will receive a curse from above.
try this and you will never regret it. take care, jesus loves you.
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therationa (m)
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therationa, are you still waiting to give your life to christ? imagine someone who knew nothing about your debt coming to pay for you? it is because of the love he has for you and me. please do not let this year pass you by.
i have an offer to make to you and i am sure you would like it. why not surrender your life to christ just for thhree months. obey the instructions in the bible and fellowship with the saints of God. if after doing all these you do not see something strange that God will do for you, you are free to call me whatever names you like to.
be warned that if you insult me without trying my suggestions, you will receive a curse from above.
try this and you will never regret it. take care, jesus loves you.
Please, deal with the topic and do not preach to me. I do not need your false religion. |
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camchupa
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my God in heaven knows i have done what he asked me to do. i therefore dust my feet off you. it is better you learn the lesson on your own. remain blessed and goodbye.
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therationa (m)
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my God in heaven knows i have done what he asked me to do. i therefore dust my feet off you. it is better you learn the lesson on your own. remain blessed and goodbye.
Thank goodness. |
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JayFK (m)
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Therationa you're my hero lol
People just trust the bible wholeheartedly and take it word for word instead of actually looking to science and pure common sense, that's why you have universities in which you are required to go to church? and why we have Creationism accepted in schools even though it has nothing to do with science rather than Evolution where there is at least some semblance of proof to it.
I feel the sooner Nigerians abandon religion the sooner we go forward, I mean it gets annoying really, i lived in PH about 4 years ago and theres what? over 2000 churches!! are you freaking kidding me? and all these pastors just milk Nigerians for their money, belief that you are healed? look up placebo effect, fall under the power of God? look up hypnosis, its actually a technique, plus you have Nigerians praying for change and shit instead of actually doing something about our situation, It's sickening really, plus people say have faith? let me say something about "faith", "faith" is exactly that "faith" wholehearted belief in something without sufficient proof, for those of you that believe in God, I want you to tell me something God has done for you that you couldn't do for yourself? I know most people who will reply will say God forgive you and shit like that but I want you to please argue to the contrary.
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therationa (m)
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Therationa you're my hero lol
People just trust the bible wholeheartedly and take it word for word instead of actually looking to science and pure common sense, that's why you have universities in which you are required to go to church? and why we have Creationism accepted in schools even though it has nothing to do with science rather than Evolution where there is at least some semblance of proof to it.
I feel the sooner Nigerians abandon religion the sooner we go forward, I mean it gets annoying really, i lived in PH about 4 years ago and theres what? over 2000 churches!! are you freaking kidding me? and all these pastors just milk Nigerians for their money, belief that you are healed? look up placebo effect, fall under the power of God? look up hypnosis, its actually a technique, plus you have Nigerians praying for change and shit instead of actually doing something about our situation, It's sickening really, plus people say have faith? let me say something about "faith", "faith" is exactly that "faith" wholehearted belief in something without sufficient proof, for those of you that believe in God, I want you to tell me something God has done for you that you couldn't do for yourself? I know most people who will reply will say God forgive you and shit like that but I want you to please argue to the contrary.
JayFK, many many thanks. This is the only positive post I have received for this article. I am really glad you posted this. Why don't you contact me at therationalist@yahoo.com |
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Lord_Reed (m)
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@JayFK
While finding something God has done for u may be a subjective exercise it does not preclude His existence. Numerous people have lived n died in this world without influencing anytin about your life does that preclude their existence?
On Faith u n everyone in this world practise some sort of 'faith' whether u know it or not. You 'believe' by reason of evidence while the bible defines faith as the evidence of things not seen. Have u seen gravity? But u act in the 'faith' of gravity thus u'll not jump off a building. And in so many other ways do u act in 'faith'. So don't knock faith just yet.
People find comfort in believing so charlatans taking advantage of them is not a negation. Where there is original there is bound to be fake.
The bible does not preclude common sense neither does belief in God.
@therationa
Is it only when someone agrees with u that science/thought is advanced?
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stillwater (f)
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Jesus loves me and you  . |
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olrotimi (m)
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@ threader, this is especially true.a timely thread  |
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tpaine
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We in Africa stand at the crossroad of modernity and barbarism. Religions is the gatekeeper to the door to barbarism, while scientific rationalism looks after modernity.
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tpaine
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The prevalent of clerical abuse of children accused of witchcraft highlights the dangers we face in Africa through lack of education
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VeriLee
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Very well said. I agree. We are at the crossroads now in Africa and religion will play an important part which way we go. Unfortunately we seem to be going down the road to the Dark Ages.
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huxley (m)
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Please, pay heed!
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