What's Wrong With African Religions?

once said that Africans are into Christianity
and God more because of the poverty there.  

Your are the same idiot who didnt answer my question:
where did you saw me using the word WAIST?
In which post?
Use quote and show us where and if you cannot shut up!!

You are clearly Off Topic.If your Jesus already came to save you and remove all your sin, then why are you still waiting for him to return, and why are you still sinning?

@ Horus
Very good point. I bet they wont offer any reasonable answer, the next thing now is personal attacks.

@just cool

I have 4 questions for you:
1.) Why would God send His beloved and innocent son to die for mankind?
2.) Does God love mankind more than His own son?
3.) Why would God let an innocent person pay for the sins he never committed? Is this not injustice?
Your Bible said: "A man must reap what he sow." Why would God let Christ reap or pay for sins he never sowed(Committed) while the offenders receive forgiveness and not reap what they sowed(pay for their sins)
4.) If God had to kill his son to achieve an aim(forgive mankind), then God is a ritualist! How then, is God different from the occultists, satanists and the ritualists who allegedly do human sacrifice in other to achieve an aim (get rich). ?

You have a question that only in hell fire the answer will be clearer to you. But you see God cannot be questioned. He says I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy on.

Even you as mortal man have a similar Attribute. You choose to hate or love someone with no just cause.  The word is Agape unconditional love to man and it is kind.

Jesus was not forced to lay down his life there was the agreement of the trinity.  On the Cross God could allowed sin on his son. The anger that has heaped up in God to purnish sin in man is now horribly made Perfect.

Flee from the Angry God wrath be a son friend of God by accepting jesus is God and Saviour.

@ Backslider
If my question can only be made clearer to me in hell then it means that my question cannot be answered. Any answer about life and God's relationship with His creatures that cannot be made clear in creation(From the spiritual worlds to earth) must be a lie since in HIS creation God makes everything as clear as abc. One who truly seeks anything, even an answer to a question, shall surely find. "Seek and ye shall find," God does not deal in mystries. His ways are clearly written in the laws of creation. Every law in creation even the laws of nature and physics speak of nothing but balance, Love, and Justice. In creation God does not deal in mysterious ways (ways that cannot be understood by man).




If by this you mean that God should not be challenged then you are right. But if you mean that man should not ask questions about God's dealings with him then you are wrong. Like I said God deals with all creatures clearly. His dealings are always clear and always express Love and Justice for all. Where man fails to see this Love and Justice coming from God he should not only question, but he should earnestly investigate and ardently seek. If he questions, seeks and investigates rightly and humbly then the answer will definitely be given to him. Therefore it is the duty of man to question, seek, and investigate and find the reason behind his life, condition, and God's dealings to him. This is how you draw near to God.

@ justcool

Your questions were not directed to me but please find below the answers:

1.) Why would God send His beloved and innocent son to die for mankind?
a.) Jehova God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the ONLY TRUE GOD. He is the maker of Satan, demons, angels and man as well as the angelic hosts (not visible in the physical realm). Satan was predestined to rebel and become the head of the hosts of wickedness and the hosts of wickedness were predestined to be just that. We man are the Adamic race, demons are the pre-adamic race which are disembodied spirits. Now, please understand that the hiers of salvation (the real christians i.e. not religion) were predetermined and predestined by God from out of the world before the foundation of the world. The Gospel of Christ is that all men are born sinners involuntarily 'in Adam' - it is because of the sin of Adam that all men are constitutionaly sinners and not by being good or bad or by our actions. The truth of the Bible is that bondage to sin came by birth in Adam. No amount of Christian religion can change man - the only deliverance is passing out of Adam and into Christ. now many people don't understand the meaning of 'in adam' and 'in christ' so i pray Jehova will open your eyes. Amen. Read this extract:

"In China I was once talking in this strain and remarked, `We have all
sinned in Adam'. A man said, `I don't understand', so I sought to explain it
in this way. `All Chinese trace their descent from Huang-ti', I said. `Over
four thousand years ago he had a war with Si-iu. His enemy was very strong,
but nevertheless Huang-ti overcame and slew him. After this Huang-ti founded
the Chinese nation. Four thousand years ago therefore our nation was founded
by Huang-ti. Now what would have happened if Huang-ti had not killed his
enemy, but had been himself killed instead? Where would you be now?' `There
would be no me at all', he answered. `Oh, no! Huang-ti can die his death and
you can live your life.' `Impossible!' he cried, `If he had died, then I
could never have lived, for I have derived my life from him.'
Do you see the oneness of human life? Our life comes from Adam. If your
great-grandfather had died at the age of three, where would you be? You
would have died in him! Your experience is bound up with his. Now in just
the same way the experience of every one of us is bound up with that of
Adam." - Watchman Nee - The Normal Christian Life

So understand that Christ is a race, Adam is a race - Adam was a shadow of things to come. The truth of the Bible is: "Of Him are ye in Christ" (I  Cor 1:30). The hiers of salvation were in Christ when He died and all died in Him; so when a believer believes in 2010 - He has not chosen God; God prechose Him; Salvation is not a contigency action plan, the hiers of salvation were predestined.

In Gods eternal plan, the saints are supposed to make war with the forces of darkness and prevail against it; these saints will reign with Christ in the age to come which is not a physical age. A man called Elijah is physically in heaven right now as I type (In a physical but glorified body).

So to answer your question explicitly, the Son of God died in accordance with His eternal plan. Satan was defeated on that Cross, the church was born at that moment. The reason why people preach today are two fold:
1. To bring the hiers of salvation to the Cross.
2. In the battle over the souls of men, to win other souls (not predestined) to the Kingdom of God. So God has set the scene as a war scene and there is a war over man. Why would God do such a thing? Because He has an eternal plan - in the age to come, angels will be in service to the saints in the heavenlies. please do not think for a moment that what I am saying is far off - we all know the level of satanic activity on the African continent.

Now focusing on Africa now, we understand from scriptures that we are the descendants of Ham, The descendants of Japheth are Europeans and Shem are of Isreal and some environs. The Lord Jesus Christ came from the blessed lineage of Shem. The descendants of Ham were cursed and I personally think thats PART OF THE REASON (not full) africa is the way it is today; the descendants of Japeth were ordained to prosper above those of Ham. HOWEVER, the anti-Christ will arise out of the revived Roman Empire (EU) of the Japeth lineage but the Kingdom of God will destroy both the revived EU and the kingdom of Satan.




2.) Does God love mankind more than His own son?
My response here wont be as long as the first. There is a portion of the Bible that reads: "The first man Adam become a living soul, the last Adam a life giving Spirit". Also please read this excerpt:

"As the last Adam, Christ is the sum total of humanity; as the second
Man He is the Head of a new race. So we have here two unions, the one
relating to His death and the other to His resurrection. In the first place
His union with the race as "the last Adam" began historically at Bethlehem
and ended at the cross and the tomb. In it He gathered up into Himself all
that was in Adam and took it to judgment and death. In the second place our
union with Him as "the second man" begins in resurrection and ends in
eternity -- which is to say, it never ends -- for, having in His death done
away with the first man in whom God's purpose was frustrated, He rose again
as Head of a new race of men, in whom that purpose shall be fully realized."

When we say Jesus is the Son of God, its not in the sense we often mean. Here is the illustration that Billy Graham(adjusted slightly by me) used. Suppose i made a very very tiny ant, and that ant becomes blind and is crawling to fall into a sea(and perish). I am 6 foot 4 and my voice alone is probably like thunder to the little ant I created. What is the best way to prevent the ant from crawling into the sea and dieing??? I COME LIKE AN ANT!
AND IDENTIFY WITH THE ANT - AND TELL IT TO TURN 360 DEGREES AND HEAL THE BLINDLESS. God Himself took the form of man. This is not a doctrinal position - it is an eternal fact - that is whether it is belived, it is true; if you don't believe, it is none the less true.








3.) Why would God let an innocent person pay for the sins he never committed? Is this not injustice?
Your Bible said: "A man must reap what he sow." Why would God let Christ reap or pay for sins he never sowed(Committed) while the offenders receive forgiveness and not reap what they sowed(pay for their sins).
Please note that in the scene I set above, God is the creator and the driver of the war, say I have a board of chess, with pawns and rooks and bishops, i can just with one wave of hand wipe out the whole board with little effort - the entire creation is like that in Gods eyes (including the forces of darkness). God has set the scene and it is being played out according to His Will. He is God and has set the scene so - man is like an ant in Gods eyes. Explicitly answered, God will let an innocent person pay for the sins he never commited because that man Jesus Christ is God Himself who had pre-planned the event before the foundation of the world - that death accomplishes:
a.) defeat of satan in Eden for the Son of Man was made manifest to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3: vs8). which works? in overbloating of the soul over the spirit in eden.
b.) death for the world and complete wiping away of everything from Adam.
c.) death for the hiers of salvation.
and many others but for space.


4.) If God had to kill his son to achieve an aim(forgive mankind), then God is a ritualist! How then, is God different from the occultists, satanists and the ritualists who allegedly do human sacrifice in other to achieve an aim (get rich). ?

Speaking personally, I have seen the glory of God - I know God Himself! In spiritual matters, you gotta understand that man is a tripartate being consisting of spirit, soul and body. God can only be known by the spirit of man. Spirit cannot shed blood (because in every born again person, the Holy Ghost lives and indwells the spirit of the believer). Soul cannot shed blood because the soul was produced when the body and the inbreathed spirit God gave to man were fused. Only Body can shed blood - Before we 'ants' were made, God decided that just the way He made Spirit, soul and Body, that Blood will be important to Him for reasons which I don't understand (when I don't know stuff I say so). Blood of Christ (and only the Blood of Christ) had to be shed for the remission of sins because God has decided that Blood must be shed for the remission of sins. Because Satan also wants the worship of man (remember God has set the scene), he also wants blood as evidenced by sacrifice of blood to devils in africa. Personally speaking, I know the power of the Blood of Christ! Having grown up in Africa, I personally know what the name of Jesus Christ does to demons.

FINAL NOTE
I do not expect to CONVINCE you that there is only one Way to God. "Of Him are ye in Christ" - man has no way by his own power of getting out of Adam.  'In Christ' the new 'spiritual man' (note that i didnt just say man because the man is no longer an ordinary man) has authority over all things (including dark powers) in heaven and on earth. Also please note that preachers are pre destined - many of the business ventures we see in nigeria are not real churches, the members of the church are those 'in chirst'. among the members of the church, we have predestined preachers. Jesus said: "Greater works than these will those that believe on me do" - for called men - you can see results. Benny Hinn Ministries is doing greater works than the Lord Himself did (but because he has been so called by grace). when he commands demons to leave in Jesus name - they go, meetings attracting millions are held around the world every year and millions are being 'regenerated' from the effects of the Fall of man. Now i am not benny hinn, I cannot cast a demon out because I have no such authroity from God. so there are ranks in the church.


Concerning understanding bible, only those with a regenerated Spirit can know the Bible.

Peace.

@ justcool

I am not into argumentative expoundments.

either saint or not.

"And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

Its either you know or you don't. no offence, i gotta go.

I absolutely agree with Justcool  that Jesus, the son of God was murdered and the shedding of his blood is a crime against God. Most believers always say that "all things are possible with God". That phrase is correct but its interpretation by most people is wrong. To most believers, it means that God can do anything he wishes. The truth is that God cannot do those things that are opposite to his nature. Thus God cannot sin, God cannot commit evil, God cannot commit injustice, God cannnot annul his laws etc. Justice, love, divine laws have its origin in God. How then can God act in ways contradictory to his very nature? In explaining the mission of Christ, Obalende asserts that the shedding of the blood of Christ and using Christ as ransom was in the plan of God. I disagree since any plan of God cannot use evil as an instument of achieving good. Jesus, the son of God was sent to save mankind from their sins by teaching them the will of his father. It is the word of Jesus that is salvation, not his death. Mankind rejected the word of God and sealed their enemity against God by murdering his son. This same mankind who murdered the saviour turned round to claim that the murder of Jesus was a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin? How can the blood shed by murder which is a sin forgive sin. It is like trying to wash off a blood stain on a white shirt with blood. The very notion that Jesus who commited no sin accepted or was made by his father to carry the sins of the world contradicts any concept of justice. Which earthly judje will allow a murderer to go free and then imprison an innocent person? Yet we men expect God, the origin of Justice and Love to do things that contradicts his very nature. Indeed it is impossible for Jesus to carry the sins of others since every sin is firmly bound to the originator. A sinner can only wash his sins himself and the words of Jesus is the dertergent he needs for it.  If it is the plan of God for his son to die as Obalende asserts, then Judas, the highpriests, the pharises, caiphas and all those who participated in the plot to murder christ are fufilling the plan of God, then such people by their activity are servants of God. Yet no one want to call his child Caiphas, Judas etc. On the cross, Jesus sumed up these events when he prayed "Father forgive them for they Know not what they do" Why will Jesus pray for their forginess if what they are doing is in accordance with the plan of God, the father. Do you ask for forgiveness when people do the right thing or when they do the wrong thing? Before Jesus was incarnated on earth, he knew that he will be murdered since men are of darkness and he is the light. Darkness will always attack the foothold of the light. Jesus knew this but being the personification of divine LOVE, he came to earth to wage war against the darkness. Jesus came to save mankind amid the dangers. It is like a house is on fire and your wife and child is inside it. You have two choices, to run away for your own safety and allow your wife or child to be burnt or to go into the fire and save your wife and son out of love. In the process of saving your wife or child, you may get burnt and die. It is true to say that you entered the fire to save your wife and son and in the proceess got burnt and died. It is incorrect, wrong and misleading to state that you entered the fire to get burnt and die. I guess this simple story of a house burning will be enough to give some insight on the true mission of Jesus the son of God. Any belief in God no matter by what name it is called that contradicts the justice and love of God, attributes sinful activities to God is false. God is holy and cannot engage in unholy or evil activities either as an end in itself or a means to an end. Every human being know that ritualists who shed the blood of their fellow men are evil and their activities are sins against God, yet people then think that the shedding of blood is salvation in the case of christ. To ransome a human being by shedding his blood is a dastardly crime against the laws of God, to ransome the the son of God by shedding his blood is a sacrilege commiteed against God.  

@ m_nwakwo




Bro, please read my Post(s0 and you will see things from a clearer angle. What you posted is as a result of your critical observation of things but I'd love that you see things from the perspective God would love you do.
 

All traditional religion wether african, Asian, American etc have all these in common: MYSTICISM, SPIRITISM and OCCULTISM. If they have live in it, TRY JOINING one of the numerous lodges in town but it is a dangerous venture, I WARNED!

@lady f
sorry to barge in and first all im a christian,but from some scenarios i have witnesed in naij all religions have a positive as well as a dark/negative side to it, i have seen people putting keys in the middle of bibles and making the bible turn and also heard of some white garment churches using some parts of the bible and candles to bring some harm unto others, there was something i read in the papers when i went to naij on hols about a certain white garment pastor that specialises in praying  and giving spiritual guidence to drug mules amongst other instances, so i think it actually depends on the individual/individuals and not on the religion

This goes to show that so called African Christians are neither really Christians nor are they really African traditionalists. They simply replace the African ancient gods with the God of Christianity. They kept the practice of African religions only under the cloak of a false Christianity. I have heard of pastors telling people that their lack of progress is due to their girlfriend's, wife's, mother's, or neighboor's witchcraft. This is exactly what some the ancient native doctors told people, it is never a Christian practice. A true Christian knows that living aright(Christlike living) automatically protects him from any form of witchcraftcy. I have never seen a white(Caucasian) pastor give such wicked diagnosis. This shows you that some of the African pastors, eventhough they call themselves Christians, their spiritual maturity is still at the same with ancient African native doctors(dibia).

Check out this thread:

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=29429.msg686053#msg686053

The missionaries came and brainwashed us. And we forgot our roots. There is nothing wrong with African religion.

There is only ONE God in the whole of the universe. We only have different ways of worshipping or getting through to him.

Christians call Jesus, Moslems worship Allah, some people get to 'Olodumare' through Sango, Oya, Ifa Olokun a soro dayo (a La Yemi Elebuibon), the Jews worship yahweh, they don't believe Jesus is the messiah. In India, their religious is 'bhakti' - a devotion to personal gods, this is just to mention a few.

The problem with our people is they want to be like 'Oyinbos'. In embracing their culture, they have completely forgotten ours. This covers all aspects of life - dressing, behaviours, our schools, our chilren do not even understand or speak our languages anymore.

And the irony of the whole thing is these oyinbos want to be exactly like us: www.oyotunjiafricanvillage.org

'This is United States of America, where a white american HRH Oba Efuntola Oseijeman Adelabu Adefunmi I, is one of the most important practitioners of Traditional African Religion in the Western Hemisphere. He is not only credited as the first initiated African-American, but also as one of the pioneers of cultural nationalism in America and the first African-American to be crowned King (of all Yoruba in the Americas and Canada).' Their religion is Ifa oracle.

If these oyinbos are embracing our culture, is it not shameful we've lost everything?

I think the question should be, what's right with African religions? I am a Christian and I made the choice willingly. It's only in the Bible that I saw mercy, grace, righteousness, holiness and JUSTICE. Yoruba religion left TOO much to be desired.

If African religions can justify their "rightness", then we can discuss.

Jesuto