Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe?

Laughing hard*

Can you prove that gaia is real?

Exactly what I was thinking.

Ok sir, I hear you. 

You're pretty vague here. Which fact are you talking about? The fact of evolution?
here's a link that shows a reasonable amount of evidence for macroevolution

Radiometric dating gives a reliable picture on the age of fossils

I definitely don't buy the gaia idea. It's a symplistic antropocentric way of reasoning projecting intent and purpose in an entity that shows no such thing. Quite similar to the man-god ideas of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Projection of human limitations and characteristics to give sense and meaning to what is basically meaningless is an intellectually impoverished mode of thinking and not my thing.

I condemn faith in principle. Belief without evidence really isn't something to boast about.

That's no argument. A false belief that has got positive side effects is and remains a false belief.
Anyway, maybe you could try that line on the millions that were butchered in the name of God, I guess the'll wholeheartedly agree that it did change their life

These vehement critics claim that there are mountains of scientific proof that man evolved from some lower species also related to apes. But in this tremendous effort to support Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, in all these "mountains of information," there has not been any scientific fossil evidence linking apes to man.

The trouble with the "missing link" is that it is still missing! In fact, the whole fossil chain that could link apes to man is also missing! The theory of evolution, which states that man evolved from some other species, has more holes in it than a crocheted bathtub.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-08-08-oppose_x.htm

since they both confuse me, then i believe in none.

I'm extremely happy that the wonderful accident of being alive befel on me. Out of the trillions of possible people to be born, I was the lucky one. I'm quite capable of creating my own purpose in life without having to fool myself into believing in some kind of skydaddy that's there to take care of me.

All you need is a carrot and a stick to walk whichever path your delusion send you on

Can you expand that malicious slur a little. As it stands, it only highlights your inability to think, but I could be wrong of course. Maybe your are capable of synaptic activities that go a little beyond your reptilian brain and include your neocortex as well.

I believe in de-evolution!! Here is my undisuputable proof! 

lol !!!

hey Rev

albert einstein once said that "religion without science is bulls**t, also science without religion is s**t".
If we're to follow the world creation biblically, the world will just be 6000yrs, and we are all decendants from 'Noah' whether real or fairy tale, one never know.
Its that not selfishness on the christianity part, where will one now describe the various race.
I strongly beleive in evolution, but the accounts rendered in the bible is pictoral to the actual event.
If we're to follow it according to the bible, The Almighthy created Adam & Eve, and they both had Cain & Abel (2 Sons), and cain killed Abel, and Cain went away to marry.
Where did he get a wifey? Anyone there to answer that, am not against the bible, but everything regarding creation is just in pictures.
Where in the Bible did we have the existence of dinosaurs, the ice-age. e.t.c.?None.
And don't forget that dinosaurs really existed then, all thanks to their fossils we see on Tv, or did the scientists created that?
One final word:
"IT IS ALSO RECORDED IN THE BIBLE THAT A DAY TO THE LORD IS LIKE A THOUSANDS OF YEARS".
So if we are to go through this way, we can conclude that the Seven days which took the Almighthy to create the world is simply millions of years in the earthly concept.
I rest my case, any oppositions am waiting.

Stranger12, well done. That's a true statement to a certain extent.

i have not read everybody's posts. They are just too many and too varied.

Anyway, science and religion are never in opposition. Faith explains science and science explains faith.
History has proven consistently that even men of God with the best of intentions could be narrow minded.
 When Galileo first proposed a sun-centered solar system, the church leaders of the time persecuted him. Today we all know the earth revolves round the sun.
So those who misinterpret the Bible should be careful. The chap who wrote Genesis did not say he was writing a scientific expose. He was just trying to give an allegorical picture of the fact that God in his infinite wisdom created the world. If you go swallow Genesis raw, you 'D be forced to tell me where cain got a wife, considering the fact that there was no other human population around at the time. The world as we know it today is several billion years old. going by biblical accounts, the world is 6000 years old. Its in an attempt to cover the time inconsistencies that the writers of the bible ascribe unbelievable longevity to biblical figures.
i am a firm believer in a God-centered evolution. God created the world. How he chose to do it is nobody's business. If he decided that he would create an atom of hydrogen first, then add hydrogen atoms to create other elements, then move on to other complex substances till he got to DNA, an then to unicellular organisms up to primates, he had a right to; afterall he is God. He could then decide that a particular species of apes could be moulded in his image--this image does not have to be in body, most likely in the soul. He could then breathe his spirit in man and bring him to a fuller understanding of His love.
As it has been said before, evolution theory is just that - a theory. It's not fact. It only seeks to explain using the mammoth evidence before it.
God's revelation to man is not yet complete. He reveals himself to us even today and at all times. We must not allow prejudice to colour our vision in the pursuit of truth through religion and science.
Louis pasteur said when he bent at his microscope, he was at prayer. Gregor Mendel of Genetics fame was an Austrian monk.
Science and religion complement each other. So no more arguments here, okay?

OLAADEGBU,

fire on. You are the man. Let this people come and prove evolution and lets take them to the cleaners using their own claims. How can someone say that the world evolved? Ask him if the shoe he is wearing evolved as well? 

Wonders shall never cease! Imagine, someone said humans are still evolving. Lol! Imagine in this their "so-called" evolution, you wake up one morning and discover that your wife sleeping beside you had turned a monster overnight! You call in a scientist and the explanation is "evolution!" May i evn ask, what are humans evolving into and how many "billions" of years more? Funny people.

Creation is what i believe but then, may God open their minds to know what they are doing, because we were once like that and God is happy over a sinner that repent so let's all b praying for them.

I would disagree that Faith does not work with proof.  But there are two different kinds of proof.  Faith is a proof in and of itself.  proof of things as yet unseen with the physical eyes.

But that's not what I really want to post about.  I want to post about my admiration for the Noble activity called gambling.  It is one of the noblest of all man's activities.  Why?  Because it requires that people put their money where their mouth is.  If you have a hunch about something, if you say you believe something then you ought to be able to put your hand in your pocket and back up your notion with hard cash.  If a man was forced to back up his statements with cash I believe men will cease to spew utter rubbish and people will generally talk less which can only be a good thing. 
For instance if the likes of George Bush and Tony Blair had to put down their entire family fortunes against the claim that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, I very much doubt that they would have made the claims and the world wouldn't be in the situation that it is in now. 
Now in a similar vein I reckon that all those who vehemently deny evolution (with their mouths) should be brave enough to deny it with their actions.  What do I mean?

If you do not believe in evolution then you must henceforth refuse to take the Flu vaccine for yourself and for your children and all your loved ones.  Why?  Because the flu vaccine works on the theory of evolution.  It is believed that the flu virus mutates and evolves from year to year.  So building immunity after infection to this years flu does not mean that you will not get flu again next year because the virus will have evolved.  That is why a new vaccine is needed every year.  Refusing flu vaccine to protect your family is a bigger act of faith than incessantly posting on nairaland. 

When mosquito is biting your yansh next time, as someone who doesn't believe in evolution you must restrict yourself to the old insecticides that were used in the 1950s and the old quinine drugs too.  Again because more modern insecticides have been developed to combat the fact that the mosquitoes have evolved to become resistant to the old insecticides. 

In fact rather than give them the choice to prove their faith if I ruled the world  I would issue a decree that anybody that wanted to recieve any medical help that was developed thanks to evolution theory would have to sign that they believed in evolution theory or they would be refused treatment.  Let them pray and if their prayers are not medicine enough let them die. 

If is not a fact that in this world the only constant is change.  The only thing I can tell you for certain is that tomorrow will not be like today as today is nothing like yesterday.  We live in a world of change.  So why can't species be subject to change.  Are they God?  Or are they eternal?
So in answer to Olaadegbu's question 'how can someone say the world has evolved?'.  I'D say by simply looking around them.  everything evolves.  And yes, even the shoes that I'm wearing evolved as well.  It hasn't always existed.  It had a prior existence as something quite different from a shoe.  It's evolutionary process is one driven by man's ingenuity and necessity.