Catholics And Confession

  I know, it takes a little bit of mental and biblical fortitude to respond. 

  ROTFLI repeat:
"When a person cannot scripturally counter your argument they resort to
1. Accuse you of judging them
2. Accuse you of misinterpreting or misquoting them
3. Dance around the questions and return answers that have nuthin to do with the discussion
4. They say they'll leave, pretending to be outraged/offended"

  NONE of you has disproven anything I've shown biblically - just gone on to insult me, avoid the questions and return anwers with absolutely no point.

I suggest you buy a pair of glasses Uche. JeSoul is female, don't know why you continue to refer to HER as a "he"

and what happened to you not replying to this topic anymore? 

lol, I referred to her as mister too

Sorry JeSoul, sorry girl

lol.


Sorry ooo, Jesoul. I apologise, No offence meant.


Thanks 



Sue me     
 Anyway, I am sticking to my guns now. No more defending or bashing of denomination , religion or creed.

@JeSoul

U know I finally agree with u on the last post and I truly do apologise, I didn't pay attention to the fact that ur a female, lol.

I agree no need to confuse a challenge for an attack but when u say that the church is evil, it is an attack, and a verdict (judgment). I understand u tying to bring the truth, but keep in mind that u also may not hold the truth, just because someone differs with your opinion does not mean they are wrong, there are three sides to the truth, your side, my side, and the truth.
There are many preachers out there and I have heard the same passages over and over again but different meanings to them. Each one interprets it differently. I found confusion, but the Catholic church had no confusion, there was/is unity in Christ.

You tell me I should do my research and I remember saying that I wasn't always Catholic, trust me I have attended most of the churches out there right down to Cele, so I took my time to research, and not just about the Churches but also about the teachings from the Bible. It took me years before I decided to join the Catholic church and in my heart I know the teachings to be true and also from my life experiences too. There are truths that have been revealed to me that may not have been revealed to you. That's why I tell everyone to pray and ask God for his spirit of understanding, knowledge, and wisdom before they read and meditate on the words of the Bible.
To you and many people the Catholic church is evil, but to me and billions of people it is not. To me the teachings from the Bible makes sense, to you it doesn't and that's fine. You can accept the scriptures I presented to u or u may not, that's fine. All I know is on judgment day I will be held accountable for my actions and not yours and vice versa.

yeah about the whole quoting thing, how do u do that, am still learning how this site works, it's too much wahala trying to copy and paste the quotes especially since some may not show up on the page when I click reply.

God bless

  lady,
    as bart simpson would say "no problemo"  . We will all be responsible for what we chose to believe no doubt! whenever discussions arise in the future I hope I'll have the chance to engage you again - in depth. 


   got you, it's really worth it though, it helps when your Thoughts and points to specific portions of the other persons post are seperated and flow nicely.
  Cheers!

Please stop spreading false truths.
The Vatican does not sit on the 7 hills of Rome.

The Vatican is across the Tiber river from Rome and Sits atop one hill Rome is surrounded buy several small sill cocks you need to check you geography maps

Judging by the criteria of biblical fundamentalism (literal words literally understood) it is certain that there is no mention of the Catholic Church in the book of Revelation as the Whore of Babylon. By contortions of interpretation (not biblical literalism) some groups and individuals equate the Whore in Revelation 17:9 with the Catholic Church since Rome is the famous city of seven hills and the Church's principal See is Rome. This position is untenable, both factually and from the only words of Scripture which tell us of the actual doctrine of the Antichrist, those of the apostle John in his letters.

There would seem to be two choices, either interpret Rev 17:9 absolutely literally or according to some interpretive key that is metaphorical, allegorical or otherwise non-literal. Lets look first at literal interpretation.

"The seven heads represent seven hills on which the woman sits." First of all, no Pope has ever lived or had his "seat" (cathedra or cathedral) on any of the seven hills of Rome. These hills are small hillocks (Capitoline, Palatine, Esquiline, Aventine and three lesser "bumps" in central Rome) where the religion and government of pagan Rome was situated. The Catholic Church's headquarters at the Lateran (the cathedral) and at the Vatican (where the Pope lives) does not coincide with them. At the time that John wrote Revelation the Christians of Rome lived mostly in Trastevere (trans Tiber), a district "across the Tiber" from the City and adjacent to the Vatican hill where St. Peter was crucified and buried. The Vatican is on top of that burial site and is today its own city-state distinct from Rome and Italy.

So, of what was St. John speaking when he wrote Revelation on the island of Patmos around 96 AD? Obviously of the pagan imperial system situated on the Seven Hills, especially the Capitoline (the religious and political center) and the Palatine (the imperial palace). This pagan power persecuted the Church of Rome in Nero's day (64-67 AD), and in the mid-90s under Domitian was persecuting Christians throughout the Roman world. Domitian was considered by the people a re-incarnation of the evil, but well-liked, Nero (the head that lives again). While the antichrist Nero persecuted only the Christians of Rome, Domitian extended that persecution throughout the empire. Both are thus types of the final persecutor, the Antichrist.

Why the cryptic name Babylon? First, the historical Babylon was the pagan power which persecuted the People of God, the Jews, between 610 and 538 BC, destroying the Temple and dispersing the people. The Romans inherited that mantle of infamy when they destroyed the Temple in 70 AD, and, more importantly, persecuted the new People of God, the Church. Thus, St. Peter, writing from Rome refers to as "Babylon" (1 Pt. 5:13) - a name any Jew or Christian familiar with the Old Testament would know.

How does this relate to the Antichrist? The future Antichrist will be a world-wide power, essentially pagan, which will persecute the Catholic Church (and orthodox Christians in general) everywhere, as the Babylonians persecuted the Jews and 1st century Rome the Church. These are biblical types! The Babylon of John's day, Rome, stands for the kingdom of the future Antichrist and is no more likely to be situated in Italy than Rome needed to be situated in Babylonia (modern Iraq). John was informing his readers of these prophetic types by drawing their attention to the contemporary fulfillment they found in pagan Rome. The Antichrist will come out of the Christian world (Greco-Roman civilization) to be sure (1 John 2:19), but America is as much an inheritor of that civilization as Europe and just as likely to be the source of the Antichrist.

Finally, after distorting the text and history to read what they want into the Bible, and thereby obtaining God's "blessing" on their hatred of the Catholic Church, some "Christians" ignore the only texts of Scripture which tells us about the religious leanings of the Antichrist. The Catholic faith being a religion you would think they would see what it teaches on the only criteria the Bible actually gives about the Antichrist. In St. John's letters (1 John 4, 2 John 1), he tells us that the spirit of the Antichrist denies the Incarnation (the Son of God becoming man) and thereby also the Trinity (the Father and the Spirit, too). This is the spirit of the Antichrist. There is not a single text in 2000 years, including the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, where the Catholic Church, her popes, her bishops, her official teachings, her saints, or her acknowledged ecclesiastical authors, deny the Word-made-flesh or the Blessed Trinity. Instead, all of Christianity owes the preservation of these Truths to the Catholic Church, whose great Councils formulated them and whose saints and popes have defended them to this day, often at the cost of martyrdom. John Paul II, has written three great encyclical (circular) letters on the Trinity, one for each Divine Person, and he has without a doubt preached Jesus Christ to more people than any other person in human history. The Catholic Church does not have the spirit of the Antichrist but of God, since no one without the Spirit can say "Jesus is Lord" (1 Cor. 12:3), something the Church and Catholics always have done and continue to do!

sysmisuser, there are only two types of cocks i know, the edible one and the not so edible one.

so go ask some one else and leave me be o.

_{no come put word for my mouth abi na me yarn cock!}

 You see the problem we christains have can be rooted to the times when christianity was hijacked centuries ago from it's purest form. The truth is that christianity has lost its core values. I'll explain, when Jesus Christ walked the earth the form of christianity was more like a sefless movement, compare it to what we have now. Evry church is guilty, because what we have is an instituiton which focuses itself on special interest based on their influence, not the sefless act portrayed by Jesus and His deciples. Look at the history of the Christian chuch from the advent of the roman catholic churh, the reformers and present day church. You will find atrocities from bloodshed of the crusades, power thirst, money hungry interests lobbyst, just name it it can go on and on. The chucrh is more like an institution made to gain control of individuals. That was Romes intention when they made christianity the national religion of the roman empire, a move which enveloped the early christians.  christianity was made or fashioned to control and check citizens of the empire, and to be called a roman citizen you must be a christian. That was the begining of the decay of the christian church, that was the change that has caused more bloodshed than any cause you can ever imagine, that has caused hatreth, even quarelle among people and disputes, like we have now. but what The word of God still stands, and that is our guide. I'm not saying the church is evil or bad let us play our path as christians, let us overlookall this my church this my church that, let see ourselves as christians, believers in christ

Could u kindly explain this more. I am a bit confused. How did it stop the spreading of the Gospel. Last I checked the gospel spread wide and far and we can see the result today. abi no be so?

*kindly notice that I learned how to use the quote application, lol*

@Not.Seun

My point and proof remains that the Vatican DOES NOT sit on the 7 hills of Rome. Please learn history and geography. The Book of revelations was written years ago, please check the geography of then. The Vatican DOES NOT sit on the 7 hills.

@ Jesoul

The gospel was and is still being spread , persecution or not.  Persecution was infact the actual catalyst that spurned on the spreading of the gospel but once the seed was sown it continued . The genuine missionaries that landed on the shores of Africa came out of their own volition and not because they were persecuted.

  she was 

Uche the gospel is still being spread, there is no doubt about that. What I meant and if you re-read my post is that is wasn't moving as forcefully and ferociously as it had been the pre-Constantine. The missionaries eventually spread out but not as quickly as it had been or as "godly" as it had been (hint the atrocities of the crusades done in the name of God). Like i said the church will prevail no matter what, the gospel will be told to every tribe and nation - that what Jesus Himself said. So even though what Constantine did was detrimental to the church at that time, God still brought out good from it. The gospel has still spread and has reached you and me! - PRAISE GOD for that! 
 

We may actually never know whether or not what Constantine did, was for the benefit of the Gospel until we get to ask Him ourselves,

simply because when things either look good or bad, they still work for Good for those that trust in the Lord and are called according to His will.

@ Lady & Uche2nna

i have read this whole thread and i cldnt find anythn worth replyn to
matter of fact, i find it hilarious
what with the way, statements are being twisted
it is so so funny
reminds of Americans; every statement made by a popular person can have a million interpretatns
people jus twist to aid their own argument
funny


nyways, also wanted to add sumtin:
Jesus said to his Disciples, 'receive the holy spirit, whose sins that you forgive are forgiven and whose sins you retain are retained'
the disciples became new being. . .  . they became bold and fearless
Jesus appreared to a couple of people after his resurrection, he certainly didnt say that to them all

the sacrament of reconciliation means alot to every practising Catholic
it gives me as a person a new and fresh page
bcs it is complete reconcilatn. . .
the ability to even talk to someone, have someone advice you, pray with you is a huge blessn
people say we confess our sins to ordinary humans
i dnt blame them really because they dnt knw
everyday i go for confessn, is lik my birthday, and i try to keep the spirit. . . .

oh witness (formerly known as sysuser, sysuserx, not.seun, sysuser.)
kpele o (sorry) u and seun need to settle o!

Ur statement would actually make sense if the Catholics do worship the image of Mary.
Also can you please tell me the difference between Jesus' flesh and a man's flesh? Or Jesus' human form and a man's human form?


Well then the Bible was wrong in saying "Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed"
So it's either the Bible is wrong or the Church is wrong which one is it?


Well thank God that Catholics believe that God forgives sins. You would do well to know the Bible before you speak. Do not deceive yourself.