Catholics And Confession

@Jesoul
Let me just introduce the issue of exegesis.

Exegesis : In its simplest meaning, it means finding out what the Spirit originally said in the Bible passage through its author. It's what comes out of the Bible, as against what gets read into it.

In a more theological setting, exegesis means what comes from the use of certain methods of studying the Bible. Just about every imaginable method already has a name, and there are all sorts of mixes, but the main types are :

    1)  Historical (using the form, word choices, editing work, historical context, main themes, and so on, to find what it meant back when it was written or when it happened),

    2)  Canonical (treating the Bible as an whole document designed to be what a specific community lives by),

    3)  Symbolic/allegorical (figuring out what each character and event represents),

    4)  Rational (thinking it through using logic and deductive technique).


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Any attempt to interpret the scriptures (whatever we define them to be) must in the least apply these four methods.

Wow.Imhotep and JeSoul,you guys have taken this to another level.Not that i blame you,JeSoul.Wholly Imhotep's fault I just wanted to understand why as a catholic one has to go to confession only on saturdays to confess to a priest,and understand why the catholic church doesn't encourage its members to go directly to God on their own,confess their sins and ask for forgiveness, which is what the bible teaches,and what God himself wants.Till now Imhotep, i still don't understand why because nobody has been able to give a clear,comprehensive and concise explanation.Instead you're talking about historical,canonical,symbolic and rational ways of studying the bible.Anyway,if any of your ways can explain my question,no wahala.But so far,i ain't seen nothing. What is the point of confessing to a priest when God says i should come directly to Him?

@ cassiel

i suggest u read James 5:16 which directs us to confess to each other and pray for each other. it is biblical.

if your all against confessing sins then u shouldn't see anything wrong with a man murdering someone and then going home at night to confess to God and have that be all.
When our leaders steal we should be satisfied that they go home and get on their knees and confess to God, so please don't pursue OBJ or Atiku or Igbinedion or Alami, am sure they have sought God's forgiveness and therefore we should just let them be.

If u believe the notion that the priest does the forgiving then u don't understand the catholic church, and even at that, the bible does say that whatever u bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, this also gives us the authority to cast out demons and such,
if u have a problem with the sins being absolved then u must also have a problem with the judgement from the court of law and we all know that God has directed us to respect the laws of the land.

this is really outrageous, in your quest to disprove the cathlic church u commit a sin urself. u judge and we are commanded not to judge lest we be judged, seriously christians, remove the stick in your eye before u can remove that of your brother's. if u want to understand why the catholic church practices certain things and u really want to know if this is based on the bible then i suggest u attend a Rite of Christian Initiaton for Adult class for a year. I also suggest that u become acquainted with the catholic bible and catechism. U also cannot condemn the catholic bible because this is where your bible originated from, if u have a problem with it then u must reject your bible as well and come up with a council to decide the books of the bible that are appropriate and it must not include any of the books in the current bible.

this is ridiculous

@ty4real,

You are idiot!  Imbecile! What do you hope to get from this pointless debate?  You only want to debase other denominations.   

@Imhotep,

Allow the Poster and JeSoul to continue to wallow in ignorance.  They are fools.  I’m sure this debate is born out of hatred and criticism.

  lol. . . My sister don't hold your breath becos there is no answer, that's why instead of answering the simple questions they keep on "getting offended" or getting angry we're "bashing catholics".
 If you cannot logically and scripturally prove your beliefs, and reach a conclusion that does not directly contradict another part of scripture then something is wrong somewhere.

  Lol. . . na so I see am my sister.
 

I confess my sins o jare !Needed to put that senseless, fool sorry o jare in his proper place,enjoys insulting people and parading himself as the ancient of days on this forum
That was a nice post sha!

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Not at electric dance at all, but issues to be clarified.

- Since there appears to be two sets of scriptures, why should I choose one and reject the other?
- What informs my decision to choose one and reject the other?

- What stops me, imhotep, from assembling a collection of ancient manuscripts that appeal to me personally -  and declaring them to be scripture also???

 

@Jesoul
I still think we have to properly define what we mean by scripture.

Nevertheless, I will address question (1)  as follows ->

Let me refer you to this article --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_and_the_Bible.
A boolean yes/no is a naive way of addressing this.



The answer to this question is hiding inside the 'answer' to question (1).

Good. The issue at stake is -> 'inconsistencies in the bible'

@Jesoul
This conclusion of yours is very very far away from what the article is saying.

We are also YET to answer your two questions.

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When you find yourself using Paul to neutralize the words of Jesus, think again.  Paul cannot contradict his Master.
Were  Paul's letters an attempt at interpreting the four Gospels?

These beliefs look dogmatic to me. Sound biblical scholarship does not hurry to take this position.


Read the article once again, calmly. Wikipedia is a balanced website - if it was biased, I will never recommend it to you or anybody.

The Infinite God cannot be contained in any book whatsoever.
Christ did not write any book. He set up THE Church. He then delegated His own Authority to this Church. The bible,whether Catholic or Protestant, stands on the Authority of THIS Church.
This is why careless and arbitrary interpretation of the bible (Cath. or Prot.) has led many astray.

@Jesoul
God is rational.

I still suggest you read the (balanced) Wikipedia article once more - calmly.

Then you can answer your 2 questions easily.

@Cassiel
Is your faith based on an argument in an internet forum?

Cool. Just as there are 33,000 protestant denominations with about 33,000 answers also.

@Cassiel

Please take that again. How do u mean -> 'talking catholic'