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Seun (m)
Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« on: March 01, 2008, 01:41 PM »

Once upon a time, pirated Hollywood movies used to cost 200 naira while original Nollywood ones used to cost 350 naira or so.  The price difference was minimal and most people had no problems buying Nollywood movies from time to time.

Now that it's possible to get a DVD with 12 to 16 movies for about 300 naira, the cost of a single pirated Hollywood movie is now effectively 20 naira or so.  And the video quality is the same as the quality of Nigerian movies on VCD. 

How can Nigerian movies compete with this price?  I don't think they can. 

I wonder if this is already affecting the local movie industry in a big way, because it seems to me that it should.  Once most people get DVD players, are we doomed? 

(Of course, ad-supported business models that allow you to distribute your movies for free may still be viable.)
combrazor (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #1 on: March 01, 2008, 03:33 PM »

this argument assumes that Nollywood and Hollywood (hate that term) videos compete with directly with each other, with the only real distinguishing feature between them being the market price of the product. and that is an idea that i've never found convincing.

i mean, they might be direct competition in some sectors, but for the most part i think they are almost parallel markets.

when i think of all the people i know who buy Hollywood videos (ugh) over Nollywood, they don't do it because the foreign movies offer a better value--they do it because they just flat-out prefer the foreign movies.

by the same token, i have seen way too many video stores where the section of foreign movies is coated with heavy layers of dust despite the fact that that they cost the same as--or less than--the popular Nollywood videos. why? because there are some people who would rather watch the homegrown movies.

the problem with this argument is that it neglects the extent to which viewers are guided by content in their choice of video entertainment. it assumes that if "Hollywood" movies cost the same as or more than Nollywood films, the Hollywood fans would be forced to go for the cheaper alternative of Nollywood films.

i don't believe it. if someone is a fan of a science fiction movie like Jumper or wants to watch the new Rambo movie, there is no equivalent substitute for those movies in Nollywood, so they are going to watch the foreign movies. even if the "Hollywood" movie costed more than it currently does, they would still find a way to watch it.

unless you are advocating completely banning foreign movies in all forms and even blocking any information about these movies from coming into Nigeria--but even then, people would still find some black market means to watch what they are actually interested in.

some people watch foreign movies because that's what they like. others watch Nollywood because that's what they identify with, and they are actually interested in Genevieve and RMD and Rita Dominic and all those people. they're not running to it because it's a cheaper alternative--in fact, they happily pay for Part 1&2, and now the current trend is to extend it to Part 3&4 by continuing the story under a different title.


Seun (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #2 on: March 02, 2008, 11:43 AM »

Another food for thought:
   Is it not only a matter of time before the pirates start making Nollywood movie jumbo DVDs?
combrazor (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #3 on: March 02, 2008, 01:04 PM »

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Is it not only a matter of time before the pirates start making Nollywood movie jumbo DVDs?

no.

i don't expect to see that happen for the same reason that you hear so much American hip-hop and R&B music on the soundtrack of Nollywood movies, but you very rarely hear any contemporary Nigerian hits.

they use American hits because obviously the use of the music is unlicensed, but they know that 50 Cent or Beyonce will most likely never see the movie, let alone find them to sue for illegal use of their music. on the other hand, Tuface and Ashionye Michelle Ugbeh live right up the street; they can and will take action against anyone they find illegally using their work in Nollywood.

i recommend that you take a look at "Good Copy Bad Copy" - a documentary about how modern technology and culture are changing the way we look at copyright law http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/

part of the documentary deals with Nollywood and piracy in Nigeria.

in one scene, a young pirate is interviewed and states that they prefer to pirate "Hollywood" movies rather than Nollywood because "if you pirate the Nollywood movie, the producers will come and get you. but the producers of the Hollywood movie are not here, so--"

the style of piracy that cripples Nollywood is different from the type that deals with the "Hollywood" films. for one thing, it mostly revolves around video clubs, overseas distribution and the marketers themselves.

once DVD players become more popular, there IS a chance that you could see Nollywood jumbo DVDs, but i largely don't see it happening anytime soon.
1naijaboy (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #4 on: March 02, 2008, 02:16 PM »

Me myself,I think the movie,sorry,home video industry is just a symptom of our neanderthal society.Things are so bad people can hardly eat so who cares about "23 in 1 nollywood blockbusters"?Until the general situation of our country improves,every single facet of our lives will be adversely affected,
A_K_O (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #5 on: March 02, 2008, 07:49 PM »

Is there any legislation in this country against piracy?
busygirl (f)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #6 on: March 02, 2008, 07:51 PM »

Nollywood is not doomed . . .They're so clever that they now have nollywood channel in the u.k. it's a 24- hr movie channel that cost £5.99 per month. Nollywood being one of the biggest movie industry in africa has loads of african fans. . .imagine more than half of the africans in u.k subscribing and calculate the amount of pounds they're making. . . . .This have therefore covered their losses.
Seun (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #7 on: March 02, 2008, 08:26 PM »

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Is there any legislation in this country against piracy?
Since independence.  It is known as the copyright law.  Unfortunately, laws don't enforce themselves.
gidig (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #8 on: March 02, 2008, 08:51 PM »

I totally agree with Combrazor. Absolutely! There is no basis for direct comparison. Most foreign film followers I know rarely get interested in our local home videos because of the lack of content appeal. I buy mostly Yoruba films and even though I pay more for them, it has never bothered me. I also noticed that Nigerians who follow this home videos don't have any complains about their price  in comparison with the foreigh DVDs that are available everywhere.

For the local movie producers, it is imperative that they step up their game in every area in order to accomodate the many Nigerians who don't find the quality of their work appealing enough. It is then that we can really talk about any semblance of competition.
4Him (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #9 on: March 02, 2008, 09:32 PM »

Quote from: busygirl on March 02, 2008, 07:51 PM
Nollywood is not doomed . . .They're so clever that they now have nollywood channel in the u.k. it's a 24- hr movie channel that cost £5.99 per month. Nollywood being one of the biggest movie industry in africa has loads of african fans. . .imagine more than half of the africans in u.k subscribing and calculate the amount of pounds they're making. . . . .This have therefore covered their losses.

very effective point made here. At a point sales from DVDs wont be the most important source of nollywood's revenue.
combrazor (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #10 on: March 02, 2008, 10:08 PM »

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Nollywood is not doomed . . .They're so clever that they now have nollywood channel in the u.k. it's a 24- hr movie channel that cost £5.99 per month. Nollywood being one of the biggest movie industry in africa has loads of african fans. . .imagine more than half of the africans in u.k subscribing and calculate the amount of pounds they're making. . . . .This have therefore covered their losses.

my dear, if you actually believe that even a penny of the revenue brought in by this so-called "Nollywood channel" goes back to Nollywood, i have a tower in Paris i am interested in selling to you!
faketan (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #11 on: March 03, 2008, 12:30 AM »

Yahoo levels
zigbo (f)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #12 on: March 03, 2008, 12:37 AM »

16!!! that is so not good,its even an insult on the actors an actresses.i must conclude that i think nollywood is doomed. as for that nollywood on sky they cud do with less repetition for crying out loud. . .
blacklion (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #13 on: March 03, 2008, 03:42 AM »

No thanks to China, generic DVD players are retailing for N3,000 in electronic shops in Lagos. Even brand names like Philips and Samsung now go for less than N10k. Its only a matter of a couple of years before DVD players chase out VCD players completely as the youngsters are now growing up with DVDs and even digital downloads at cybercafes. I see lots of cybercafes around Lagos offering downloading of clips for ipods and high-end cellphones.



In the current business model of Nollywood, the producers actually make their money from the sale of the discs - that's why you have parts 1-4 - and not really the content. This means they have a huge incentive to resist the move to DVD but I suspect its inevitable in the long run.




@busygirl, no be only for naija wey piracy dey - i suspect that nollywood channel in london is a huge piracy scam. its doubtful if they are paying royalties to the producers and artistes in naija
adefes (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #14 on: March 03, 2008, 10:24 AM »

It depends on where your interest is. many people still watch nollywood 24/7 without a single foreign movie. their fans will continue to patronise them even if the price is higher.
Double N (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #15 on: March 03, 2008, 11:51 AM »

You are Even talking about Buying the Movies when you have a Channel like Africa Magic, what the Heck!
grafikdon (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #16 on: March 03, 2008, 02:49 PM »

DoubleN, I heard Africa Magic showcase the most atrocious Nigerian movies because they are too el cheapo to pay for broadcast rights. Africa Magic or Africa prayer, hardcore Nollywood fans will still buy their movies.
Lord_Reed (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #17 on: March 03, 2008, 03:12 PM »

@combrazor
I think the move to serial DVDs will be soon than u think and not by pirates but the producers demselves. It will b a very effective way of reselling old movies repackaged as 'omnibus' artiste issues eg RMD vs KOK type stuff. It will sell because everyone luvs a good deal.
combrazor (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #18 on: March 03, 2008, 03:25 PM »

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I think the move to serial DVDs will be soon than u think and not by pirates but the producers demselves. It will b a very effective way of reselling old movies repackaged as 'omnibus' artiste issues eg RMD vs KOK type stuff. It will sell because everyone luvs a good deal.

Lord_Reed, when you put it that way, i think i might agree with you.

i don't see this as being something the pirates would do, but perhaps the producers might take advantage of the opportunity to repackage old movies.

(a few years ago, didn't we see movies like Domitila, Living in Bondage and Forever come back in the "Nollywood Classics" series?)

the only thing i might disagree with is the fact that Nollywood is driven of selling discs, not *movies* - the producer/marketer wants to sell as many discs as possible, and putting 16 movies on a single disc works against that goal. so it's still a bit dodgy to me.

i don't know.
powerofmap (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #19 on: March 04, 2008, 01:44 AM »

Quote from: blacklion on March 03, 2008, 03:42 AM
no be only for naija wey piracy dey - i suspect that nollywood channel in london is a huge piracy scam. its doubtful if they are paying royalties to the producers and artistes in naija

I agree with you bro it might be a piracy scam because if really the revenue generated from there is getting to the producers/marketer most of them would not be keen to sell Disc instead of movies.

Most of the producers prolong the parts of the movies just to gain more bucks.
coo_pedro (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #20 on: March 04, 2008, 02:52 PM »

 Angry
FBS
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #21 on: March 05, 2008, 09:10 AM »

let them sell 400 films on 1 DVD, but they should please stop the adverts in-between movies. That is a terrible act. someone should please talk to them. what sort of business strategy is that?
Lord_Reed (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #22 on: March 05, 2008, 09:25 AM »

Quote from: combrazor on March 03, 2008, 03:25 PM
the only thing i might disagree with is the fact that Nollywood is driven of selling discs, not *movies* - the producer/marketer wants to sell as many discs as possible, and putting 16 movies on a single disc works against that goal. so it's still a bit dodgy to me.

i don't know.

I agree wit u too but also consider that these are old movies so will not subject to the same type of profit loss analysis as a nu movie(s) would.
modupe2
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #23 on: March 05, 2008, 10:41 AM »

u people have said it all. But to me, it will not really affect their buinesses. It will only affect the rental services business, which they all kick against. Because people will prefer to buy 16 movies for N300 than renting 1 for N 50. 
software (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #24 on: March 05, 2008, 06:18 PM »

May God help this country, 

Lord_Reed (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #25 on: March 07, 2008, 03:07 PM »

Quote from: modupe2 on March 05, 2008, 10:41 AM
u people have said it all. But to me, it will not really affect their buinesses. It will only affect the rental services business, which they all kick against. Because people will prefer to buy 16 movies for N300 than renting 1 for N 50. 

Not if is a nu one
gidig (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #26 on: March 09, 2008, 07:37 PM »

Why can't the Nollywood ( I hate that word!) practitioners  try to do it the time tested way of making some of their money through screening the films first before they go to the sit at home audience.

It is even worse here because they don't get any money from the people who rent their works and really, most of the films are not worth buying in the first place (this may be subjective tho)
Uche2nna (m)
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #27 on: March 13, 2008, 08:04 PM »

Totally agree with combrazo's point. The market for hollywood and nollywood movies consists of two distinct population. Each population tends to lean heavily onto one and this is not driven by price. I for one would prefer a Will Smith flick anyday to a Ramsey Nouah movie even if they cost the same.
VeritasInV
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #28 on: March 20, 2008, 01:32 PM »

 Angry
In all honesty why would any one want  to watch Nigerian films?!?!?!?!?!

Most of the films i have seen are shoddy of very poor quality and the actors seem to be of a lower educational ranking.
On top of which many of the ''films'' make light some of the serious issues facing this country. The touch lightly on the subjects of 419 bribbery and corruption but they do not portry an effective image of these things being wrong. Morally and legaly.

Many of the films i have seen are ridiculous and do not follow an even plot line jumping from scene to scene like a rabbit on drugs had been i charge of directing them.

Some and perhaps even a majority of the films i have seen are an abbomination to any film industry.

Cry  It some times brings a tear to my eye to think that someone actually thought about these films and decided to buy a $20 camera make them with people from the streets and decide its a good film.

There are many inferences to literacy and illiteracy in some of the films i have seen in which a charachter who has travelled ''abroad'' as it is said , returns to the village or town he is from where he begins to behave in a manner not befitting any normal person.

Boasting bragging spending volumes of tape speaking of things whch are imaginery or just made up.
The Character returns with an amount of money which when converted is a fortune here and begins to boast of owning companies and firm or being richer and having a lot more money. In thruth that is all he had after coming back ti Nigeria and spends it all trying to impress fare weather friends.

Many Nigerian films plain and simple may portray a certain aspect of life here but they mostly end up glamourizing many of the negative aspects of being Nigerian.

maryray
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #29 on: March 20, 2008, 07:40 PM »

@ Seun, Thanks this is so true. Since independence. 
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It is known as the copyright law.  Unfortunately, laws don't enforce themselves.
maryray
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #30 on: March 20, 2008, 07:41 PM »

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my dear, if you actually believe that even a penny of the revenue brought in by this so-called "Nollywood channel" goes back to Nollywood, i have a tower in Paris i am interested in selling to you!

O boy u too much!.
maryray
Re: Pirated DVDs With 16 Movies: Is Nollywood Doomed?
« #31 on: March 20, 2008, 07:47 PM »

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totally agree with Combrazor. Absolutely! There is no basis for direct comparison. Most foreign film followers I know rarely get interested in our local home videos because of the lack of content appeal. I buy mostly Yoruba films and even though I pay more for them, it has never bothered me. I also noticed that Nigerians who follow this home videos don't have any complains about their price  in comparison with the foreigh DVDs that are available everywhere.
This is so true, in one of the rental place i go to, the rental guy used to BEG! me to take 3 foreign movies for just 20naira!. There is little or no comparison between foreign and African movies. Honestly, the last time i paid for foreign movie was like, hmmmmmmmmmmmm can't recall, but African was like today.
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