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maryray
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It depends on where your interest is. many people still watch nollywood 24/7 without a single foreign movie. their fans will continue to patronise them even if the price is higher This is so true, count me in. If someone offered me 3 foreign movies for 20naira and i refused and went 4 d expensive home videos, then no matter d price i'm there. Given a choice, i would rather watch African, African, etc, and when they are out of stock maybe indian, american, or chinese. Too bad d indian one is too stupid its like u are watching someone dancing from d beginning to the end, d chinese is not worth talking about apart from Jackie Chans own, and the American/foreign one, the only thing that is helping it survive is their constant advertising and portraying it as something good, and the only ones that are actually worth watching is the Black Hollywood ones. Men those guys are good. Conclusion, prefer African and Black hollywood movies 2 every other movies. Dont say i'm biased, honestly watch it and see. |
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TBG
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 In all honesty why would any one want to watch Nigerian films?!?!?!?!?! Most of the films i have seen are shoddy of very poor quality and the actors seem to be of a lower educational ranking. On top of which many of the ''films'' make light some of the serious issues facing this country. The touch lightly on the subjects of 419 bribbery and corruption but they do not portry an effective image of these things being wrong. Morally and legaly. Many of the films i have seen are ridiculous and do not follow an even plot line jumping from scene to scene like a rabbit on drugs had been i charge of directing them. Some and perhaps even a majority of the films i have seen are an abbomination to any film industry.  It some times brings a tear to my eye to think that someone actually thought about these films and decided to buy a $20 camera make them with people from the streets and decide its a good film. There are many inferences to literacy and illiteracy in some of the films i have seen in which a charachter who has travelled ''abroad'' as it is said , returns to the village or town he is from where he begins to behave in a manner not befitting any normal person. Boasting bragging spending volumes of tape speaking of things whch are imaginery or just made up. The Character returns with an amount of money which when converted is a fortune here and begins to boast of owning companies and firm or being richer and having a lot more money. In thruth that is all he had after coming back ti Nigeria and spends it all trying to impress fare weather friends. Many Nigerian films plain and simple may portray a certain aspect of life here but they mostly end up glamourizing many of the negative aspects of being Nigerian. veritas i quite agree with you,most of the films i have also come across are quite poor but i do know for a fact that one or two home vidoes are relatively good.and i think u are aware of that because u said that most films are poor meaning that there must be a few that are ok or at least somewhat close to your esteemed standards.but instead of at least mentioning the few good ones you rather concentrated on the many bad ones.i agree that many naija films are quite poor but what i do appreciate is that this pooor films are creating jobs for people and not just any type of jobs ,but ok paying jobs,and not just ok paying jobs but ok paying jobs that people enjoying doing.you should come to unilag and see the number of young people enroling for creative arts (a course they enjoy)all thanks to our poor film industry.another fact about our poor film industry that gives me joy is the fact that we are telling our own stories no matter how poorly we are doing it,not only that nigerians like you and me are also buying this nonesense,so you could say that we are producing our own goods and actually consuming them which is the bed rock of any healthy economy.i could go on and on but i hope you see my point no matter how bleak.i strongly believe that we should seriously criticize the industry but not to kill it but rather to make it better. |
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otokx (m)
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You are talking of 16 in one nollywood dvd; I have seen 48 in one hollywood dvd - this our country simply does not play by the rules.
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d1tha1
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@Combrazor, While I can't give you the facts right away, I think u are wrong in assuming that “no penny” of the UK/foreign NOLLYWOOD (N-wood) channels flow back to the local N-wood industry  . Consider the following: 1. N-wood movies are produced and distributed by studios, producers,etc. which are represented by umbrella associations. I do not honestly think that the foreign N-Wood channels just buy the DVDs in "Lagos gp-low" and air them for a fee without any recourse to the producers and distributors. Do you think the producers/associations would know about this and not request for royalties? The royalties may be meagre but I am inclined to think that the “industry” gets some of the revenues. 2. While laws are not enforced in Nigeria, foreign TV channels broadcasting n-wood movies operate in countries where laws ARE enforced and so companies do take care to be sure they are doing the right thing. Do you think that the promoters would take the chance of being sued for millions of pounds by one “small” Nigerian producer in Naija or UK courts for piracy (i.e. commercial broadcasting of material without the rights to do so),  International law makes suing them possible and all a Nigerian producers need to do is get one smart UK lawyer that will sue their asses  . I don’t think they are stupid enough to take that chance of losing millions when they can just pay the meagre royalties upfront. That’s not how to run a business.  3. Even if for some absurd reason they were just buying DVDs off the street, ISNT THE REVENUE FROM SUCH PURCHASES GOING BACK TO NOLLYWOOD? (Abi, u assuming that it is their Nigerian relatives that are bringing FREE movies from naija?  Is that how to run a business??) So, do u still have the tower to sell?  |
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d1tha1
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@Combrazor, While I can't give you the facts right away, I think u are wrong in assuming that “no penny” of the UK/foreign NOLLYWOOD (N-wood) channels flow back to the local N-wood industry . Consider the following: 1. N-wood movies are produced and distributed by studios, producers,etc. which are represented by umbrella associations. I do not honestly think that the foreign N-Wood channels just buy the DVDs in "Lagos go-slow" and air them for a fee without any recourse to the producers and distributors. Do you think the producers/associations would know about this and not request for royalties? The royalties may be meagre but I am inclined to think that the “industry” gets some of the revenues. 2. While laws are not enforced in Nigeria, foreign TV channels broadcasting n-wood movies operate in countries where laws ARE enforced and so companies do take care to be sure they are doing the right thing. Do you think that the promoters would take the chance of being sued for millions of pounds by one “small” Nigerian producer in Naija or UK courts for piracy (i.e. commercial broadcasting of material without the rights to do so), International law makes suing them possible and all a Nigerian producers need to do is get one smart UK lawyer that will sue their asses . I don’t think they are stupid enough to take that chance of losing millions when they can just pay the meagre royalties upfront. That’s not how to run a business. 3. Even if for some absurd reason they were just buying DVDs off the street, ISNT THE REVENUE FROM SUCH PURCHASES GOING BACK TO NOLLYWOOD? (Abi, u assuming that it is their Nigerian relatives that are bringing FREE movies from naija? Is that how to run a business??) So, do u still have the tower to sell? |
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combrazor (m)
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d1tha1 - While I can't give you the facts right away, I think u are wrong in assuming that “no penny” of the UK/foreign NOLLYWOOD (N-wood) channels flow back to the local N-wood industry . well, until you come with the facts . . . this is all nothing but speculation on your part, is it not? unfortunately, i think you miss the point a bit here: 3. Even if for some absurd reason they were just buying DVDs off the street, ISNT THE REVENUE FROM SUCH PURCHASES GOING BACK TO NOLLYWOOD? (Abi, u assuming that it is their Nigerian relatives that are bringing FREE movies from naija? Is that how to run a business??) do the math. they buy a DVD off the street for, what? N500, 600? that's what? a little bit over 2 pounds maybe? and then they go back to London and air this DVD on cable, on a channel they are charging subscribers 5 pounds a month to watch? and thousands of people are subscribing to this channel, right? let's assume it's 2000 people paying 5 pounds a month. that means that in ONE month, they have grossed 10,000 pounds based off of the 2 pounds they spent on the DVD.* and you think that amounts to "putting revenue back into Nollywood"? if you DO believe that, well . . . i also own a big white house in Washington DC that i want to sell to you! *obviously, i know they don't buy just one DVD . . . but try to follow me here |
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D-reloaded (f)
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I can't wait til VCDs become obselete. Too bad d indian one is too stupid its like u are watching someone dancing from d beginning to the end, d chinese is not worth talking about apart from Jackie Chans own, and the American/foreign one, the only thing that is helping it survive is their constant advertising and portraying it as something good, and the only ones that are actually worth watching is the Black Hollywood ones. Men those guys are good You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. You wouldnt know a good movie even if it gave you a blow to the face. |
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d1tha1
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@Combrazor, d1tha1 -
Here are the facts : 1. Excerpt from Nollywood Moves (SKY channel 331) website: Welcome to Nollywood movies! The Home of Nollywood. Nollywood Movies is the first Nigerian 24 hour movie channel to launch on sky platform. Our primary aim is to bring into as many homes as possible the best of the Nigerian movie industry officially known as Nollywood, which is the 3rd largest film producing country in the world after Hollywood and Bollywood. Nollywood movies will reach many homes on the sky digital platform across the United Kingdom and Ireland from January 2008, , NOLLYWOOD MOVIES ACQUIRE RIGHTS TO ALL OUR CONTENTS DIRECTLY FROM THE RIGHTFUL CONTENT OWNERS . Majority of our movies will be in English language and few indigenous movies with English subtitle. All films will go through quality control before broadcast. We desire to make our good become better and better become the best Movie Channel. http://www.nollywoodmovies.tv/about-us.php2. Excerpt from digitalspy.com Nigerian movie channel to launch in UK Saturday, July 15 2006, 04:52 BST A new channel dedicated to Nigerian movies is planning to launch in January. THE PROJECT COMES FROM ZENITHFILMS, A DISTRIBUTOR OF NIGERIAN PROGRAMMING TO AIRLINES . The proposed channel would air the so-called "Nollywood" films 24 hours a day on Sky. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a34898/nigerian-movie-channel-to-launch-in-uk.htmlThink I’m still speculating? These channels can't just start commercial broadcast in UK without during it right, and so they must acquire the content rights. Its not rocket-science! do the math.
they buy a DVD off the street for, what? N500, 600? that's what? a little bit over 2 pounds maybe?
and then they go back to London and air this DVD on cable, on a channel they are charging subscribers 5 pounds a month to watch?
and thousands of people are subscribing to this channel, right? let's assume it's 2000 people paying 5 pounds a month. that means that in ONE month, they have grossed 10,000 pounds based off of the 2 pounds they spent on the DVD.*
and you think that amounts to "putting revenue back into Nollywood"?
if you DO believe that, well . . . i also own a big white house in Washington DC that i want to sell to you!
Wait, how much do u think it costs to make a nollywood movie? Not much I can tell u so the naija producers/distributors are obviously happy to retail at N300 otherwise they wont be in business. If a UK broadcaster appears to make a lot more for a Nigerian "import" and suposedly makes a killing from it then more grease to them because they have identified a good business. Everyone is happy!  After all in UK ijebu garri, yam,and knorr cubes,etc, from naija is more than 5 times more expensive than their equivalent price in naija so should all market women and farm producers feel cheated??? At any rate, YOUR math is faulty because you don't even know how much the UK stations pay for licenses and infrastructure and most of all TAXES!  . Plus, a good businessman who knows that his product sells at a higher price abroad, will most def charge a higher "export" price for it. Point: am sure n-wood producers know that there movies sell higher in UK and charge UK broadcasters accoridngly so they definitely make some good money from UK broadcasting. So, my guy, it is NOT true that NO PENNY from the UK goes back to the n-wood and the royalties may in fact be signifcant. Revenue goes back to n-wood. Got something else to sell? |
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combrazor (m)
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d1tha1 - right off the top, i gotta give you props for even making the attempt to retrieve evidence to back up your point--that's something very few people on this site ever bother to do. and you have demonstrated that they do indeed license their content from the producers. so kudos for that. however, rather than just stopping there while you were ahead, you seem to have found it necessary to keep talking in order to throw in heaping amounts of snark where none was really needed. and that's where you started showing your ass, IMHO . . . Wait, how much do u think it costs to make a nollywood movie? Not much I can tell u so the naija producers/distributors are obviously happy to retail at N300 otherwise they wont be in business. If a UK broadcaster appears to make a lot more for a Nigerian "import" and suposedly makes a killing from it then more grease to them because they have identified a good business. Everyone is happy! After all in UK ijebu garri, yam,and knorr cubes,etc, from naija is more than 5 times more expensive than their equivalent price in naija so should all market women and farm producers feel cheated??? when you say it costs "not much" to make a Nollywood movie, i guess that is relative to your idea of what exactly constitutes "much." i don't know how YOU roll, but most people would agree that a couple of million naira IS indeed "much." i happen to know how much it costs, and i also happen to know that the producers/distributors are NOT, as you said, happy to retail at the price that they do. that's the reason why a single movie is routinely split into two--and these days, even FOUR and FIVE--parts in order to recoup the production costs, which are much higher than you probably think. the reason that they have to retail a single part at the price they do is a result of piracy, and they are most definitely NOT happy about it. furthermore, your analogy about the cost of Nigerian foodstuffs in the UK is patently absurd. are you, with a straight face, actually comparing the importation of agricultural products with the use and abuse of intellectual properties? think about it a moment and see if you can figure out the difference in those two scenarios, hm? and then throw in if you will the difference in the mark-up between yam and garri and a N300 video that is beamed to hundreds or thousands of subscribers paying 5 pounds each. and then factor in the fact that generally, a client broadcasting such an intellectual property for commercial purposes does not purchase it at the retail price. adding all that up, you present a horrible argument that you probably should have just left alone instead of trying to be cute. |
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mystikal (m)
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I'm completely enjoying the match up between Combrazor & d1 Tha1, Its fun & educating & I'm learning for myself.
I'm all for making Nollywood better (and just in case, I love the name, why would India be comfortable with "Bollywood"), Like someone rightly suggested wouldnt it be cool if these movies are 1st premiered in Cinemas before general public releases. Govts could assist in building cinemas or multiplexes around, That was part of India's Success story. But again it all boils down to quality, as who would want to waste his/her money and time watching this very low quality movie
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mykali (m)
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for anyone who's been watching nollywood movies for 5 years now knows that it aint going nowhere further than ''amazing grace'' went. so i rather watch the chinese pirated ''20 in 1'' dvds. the english makes me lauf. |
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d1tha1
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@Combrazor, Whatever you say, man! You are free to yab all u want! Point proven: IT IS NOT TRUE THAT NO PENNY OF THE UK BROADCAST OF NOLLYWOOD MOVIES GOES BACK TO THE INDUSTRY AS REVENUES. PS: And so u ain't got nothing to sell I rest my case |
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combrazor (m)
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you should have rested your case earlier than that, before you started running your mouth and saying things that only made you look foolish.
no amount of trying to shrug it off by claiming that i am "yabbing" you will change that, either . . . they're your words, and you have to take accountability for them!
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D-reloaded (f)
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Lmao. Comb, jo. Calm down.
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combrazor (m)
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LOL i'm calm!
i don't even know who this person is, but s/he seems to have a hard-on for me. . . wish i could tell you why.
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d1tha1
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you should have rested your case earlier than that, before you started running your mouth and saying things that only made you look foolish.
no amount of trying to shrug it off by claiming that i am "yabbing" you will change that, either . . . they're your words, and you have to take accountability for them!
Ah! The classic nairaland response of turning to personal attacks when there are no further arguements in support of a point. Hope it at leats makes u feel good about yourself. Best of luck , son. |
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combrazor (m)
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au contraire, mon frere (ou ma soeur) - don't try to change the subject.
what personal attack have i issued? i simply said that you are accountable for your own words. . . and you are.
you brought forth evidence to rebuff my statement that no kobo of the movies shown on Sky 331 go back to Nollywood. i was man enough to say, "okay, you got a point. i stand corrected."
but then you had to run your mouth and talk a whole bunch of other nonsense that i called you out on. rather than you being man (or woman) enough to say "aiight, my bad," you chose to divert the discussion with "whatever! yab all you want! talk to the head!" and garnished your replies with passive-aggressive smilies.
YOU in fact are the one who shifted the focus to personal ridicule rather than addressing the fact that i called you out.
that's hustling backwards, player. . . just have the fortitude to be like "oops, mea culpa" and the shit is dead.
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D-reloaded (f)
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where are the personal attacks? |
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d1tha1
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oops, someone's getting angry here, |
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combrazor (m)
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actually, i'm FAR from angry.
i'm quite amused.
because after HOW many replies, you still have failed to acknowledge the fact that i called you on your bullshit and instead have resorted to schoolyard taunts, worrying about whether or not i am "angry"
see. . . this is why it's important to know when to rest one's case and not outstay one's welcome. you started out sounding somewhat intelligent and insightful, but with each content-free post you reveal yourself more and more to be just another troll.
like i said, it's quite amusing.
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D-reloaded (f)
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The flow was broken really.
it was supposed to be da1tha1's turn to response to your rebuttal about the topic, instead like most people decided to just cry wolf about personal attacks
Oh well.
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combrazor (m)
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i'm quite done responding to this troll, D-reloaded.
there's nothing else i need to say, since he's already played himself . . .
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D-reloaded (f)
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Dont blame you. The discussion was getting interesting though watched NCFOM yet? |
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combrazor (m)
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watched NCFOM yet? got it yesterday. . . went to bed super-early last night, though. so i guess it'll be tonight or tomorrow! |
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D-reloaded (f)
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I'll be expecting a review in that other thread! |
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combrazor (m)
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i hear you, D . . . |
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d1tha1
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OK, @Combrazor, in the interest of peace lets discuss my statements, ok?: and then throw in if you will the difference in the mark-up between yam and garri and a N300 video that is beamed to hundreds or thousands of subscribers paying 5 pounds each. and then factor in the fact that generally, a client broadcasting such an intellectual property for commercial purposes does not purchase it at the retail price.
My referene to ijebu garri, etc, was just a comical (hence the ) way of driving home a point which u fail to see: home videos are generally more expensive in the UK because of the desire of nigerians abroad to watch something from home which they don't get easily. And homevideos are an "import" to the UK so one really can't expect it to be priced the same. i happen to know how much it costs
Do you really? Ok, please tell us how much it costs to make a n-wood movie and provide facts. Until u provide facts as i did, u have no basis for claiming to have rebuffed my statements on this point. It has nothing to do with how I roll. that's the reason why a single movie is routinely split into two--and these days, even FOUR and FIVE--parts in order to recoup the production costs, which are much higher than you probably think.
So the real retail price of a full n-wood movie of 4 0r 5 parts at N300 each is N1200 or N1500. It also means the n-wood guys have found a way to make profits (i.e.by selling in many parts). I would say in the final analysis, N1200 per cd for one movie prodcution is satisfactory to them which is why they are still in buiness. This can be argued a million ways so u can't really claim to have rebuffed this point. and then throw in if you will the difference in the mark-up between yam and garri and a N300 video that is beamed to hundreds or thousands of subscribers paying 5 pounds each. and then factor in the fact that generally, a client broadcasting such an intellectual property for commercial purposes does not purchase it at the retail price.
Chairman, u stil fail to acknowledge that there are infrastructure costs, licensing fees, staff overheads, and TAXES that go into the business process of broadcasting n-wood films in the UK. Your analysis is weak becuase it assumes that there are no additional costs above the "N300" purchase price. So what arguements have u rebufffed, my good man? Simply declarig that I am runnning my mouth becuase I presented additional perspectives to your comments doesnt make my comments any less true. |
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d1tha1
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where are the personal attacks? @ D-reloaded here: you should have rested your case earlier than that, before you started running your mouth and saying things that only made you look foolish.
: i'm quite done responding to this troll, D-reloaded.
In all my responses to @Combrazor, not once did I use inflamatory language or say he/she was "talking nonsense" and "running his/her mouth", or say his original post makes him/her "look foolish". I would say those are personal attacks don't u think? I only provided facts and perspectives. |
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D-reloaded (f)
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Um No. Dude, those comments were made AFTER all the nonsense
I'm asking for the personal attacks that supposedly caused you not to reply his rebuttal about the Nollywood channel
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combrazor (m)
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oh, so NOW you decide to actually offer something other than empty taunts. seriously, i'm already past this whole discussion, but just so you don't try to claim that i ran away, let me briefly touch your points: My referene to ijebu garri, etc, was just a comical (hence the ) way of driving home a point which u fail to see: home videos are generally more expensive in the UK because of the desire of nigerians abroad to watch something from home which they don't get easily. And homevideos are an "import" to the UK so one really can't expect it to be priced the same. comical or no, it's still a horrible analogy. the analogy could have held water if you compared the price of importated foodstuffs to the price of actual imported, concrete Nollywood DVDs in the UK market however, when you are talking about the broadcasting of intellectual properties, and furthermore, the broadcasting via a mass subscription service, it becomes evident that it's a different model altogether. your comment fails both as an analogy and as a joke. Do you really? Ok, please tell us how much it costs to make a n-wood movie and provide facts. Until u provide facts as i did, u have no basis for claiming to have rebuffed my statements on this point. It has nothing to do with how I roll.
why do i have to tell you how much it costs to make a Nollywood movie. . . you claimed that you knew, right? i have actually worked in Nollywood. that's all i will say about that. if you want me to start posting up budgets and other classified documents on this forum, sorry. . . i shan't do it. (maybe if you email me, though, i can prove it to you) So the real retail price of a full n-wood movie of 4 0r 5 parts at N300 each is N1200 or N1500. It also means the n-wood guys have found a way to make profits (i.e.by selling in many parts). I would say in the final analysis, N1200 per cd for one movie prodcution is satisfactory to them which is why they are still in buiness. This can be argued a million ways so u can't really claim to have rebuffed this point. that's not what you said at first, though. you claimed that they were "happy to sell at N300". . . but the fact that they have had to release movies in part 1 & 2, and in recent months even part 3, 4 & 5, is evidence that they are NOT happy with the price and in fact, they are making less and less money and need to split the movie into more and more parts just to break even. so, no. . . i reject that as a defense of your original point. Chairman, u stil fail to acknowledge that there are infrastructure costs, licensing fees, staff overheads, and TAXES that go into the business process of broadcasting n-wood films in the UK. Your analysis is weak becuase it assumes that there are no additional costs above the "N300" purchase price. wrong. my use of the N300 figure was just a shorthand way of saying that the bottom line is that if Sky 331 are purchasing the movies at RETAIL price from the street and broadcasting them via a subscription service, then yes. . . they ARE cheating the owners of the movies, and no they are NOT benefitting the producers as you claim. it's not like HBO buys a DVD from Best Buy for $15.99 and broadcasts it. significant fees must be paid to the owners of the property. and whatever taxes, overhead, etc. HBO has to pay on their end is THEIR business. . . not the owner of the intellectual property. so yes, my point stands. |
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combrazor (m)
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In all my responses to @Combrazor, not once did I use inflamatory language or say he/she was "talking nonsense" and "running his/her mouth", or say his original post makes him/her "look foolish". I would say those are personal attacks don't u think? by the way, no. . . i don't think those are "personal attacks" if i said you were a dumb motherfucker, that would be a personal attack. saying that you are "running your mouth," is not an attack; it's an observation. and even though you may claim that you never said i was "talking nonsense," you were still plenty snarky. |
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