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Chavez is making a big mistake - its not like FARC rebels have anything positive to offer their people except kidnapping and drug selling - they remind me of all the profiteers running around Niger Delta using social reform as an excusing for illegal profiteering and all sorts of inhumane activities - they are also criminalising the real freedom fighters.
Secondly, Chavez should simply not involve himself because his people are not ready with war with Yankee. Thirdly, he has wasted all Venezuelas oil reserves on political and international patronage. To be honest, Chavez is the kind of left-winger who gives social politics a bad name.
@Ibime, Irrespective of your views about Chavez, the fact remains that Colombia violated international laws by entering another country to conduct a military raid. Hugo Chavez is only trying to send an unmistakable message to Uribe and Bush that if Colombia pulled that kind of stunt in Venezuela there would be consequences. I see nothing wrong with that. No country should stand by and be bullied by nations fighting proxy wars for America. Officials in Uribe's cabinet have reluctantly apologized because, as much as they are drunk with American weapons, they are not drunk enough to fail to recognize that what they did was unacceptable! |
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debosky (m)
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How is attacking FARC rebels who are killing and kidnapping innocent Colombians and giving the country a bad name through cocaine trafficking the same thing as fighting a 'proxy war' for the US?
Unless of course, Chavez is the funder of the FARC. . .in the absence of that Richy is simply blowing hot air again.
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almondjoy (f)
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Columbia no be US ally? Any enemy of US is a friend of Chavez. . . . . .and any friend of US is an enemy of Chavez! Period! I say Hugo Boss was ma man of the year in 2007 and may well be again for 2008! I won't be surprised if the US sent Columbia to provoke Chavez! Columbia--a drug terrorist state? I mean go figure! War on terror my arse! How can the US be fighting terror and be sleeping in Colombia's bed at the same time?  Political harlotry a say! GIVE ME AN "O"!!! OLODOS! |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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ecuador is violating international laws by harboring terrorists too. the FARC is a rogue group that has used kidnapping and drug dealing to ruin people's life. colombia has a right to control it's borders if ecuador won't. ecuador should bitch to the UN rather than amassing troops.
The definition of terrorist is vague - one man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Also, there is no internationally agreed definition of the term "terrorist".Stop making a failed argument. Colombia has even recognized that her actions were tantamount to a political blunder and have subsequently apologized. What is this? Don't you get this simple concept? |
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almondjoy (f)
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@Ibime,
Irrespective of your views about Chavez, the fact remains that Colombia violated international laws by entering another country to conduct a military raid. Hugo Chavez is only trying to send an unmistakable message to Uribe and Bush that if Colombia pulled that kind of stunt in Venezuela there would be consequences. I see nothing wrong with that. No country should stand by and be bullied by nations fighting proxy wars for America. Officials in Uribe's cabinet have reluctantly apologized because, as much as they are drunk with American weapons, they are not drunk enough to fail to recognize that what they did was unacceptable!
Thank you! Sent by the US if you dig deeper!  RichyBlack. you are just too intelligent for words! GIVE ME AN "I" "IDIOTS"! |
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4Him (m)
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Columbia no be US ally? Any enemy of US is a friend of Chavez. . . . . .and any friend of US is an enemy of Chavez! Period! I say Hugo Boss was ma man of the year in 2007 and may well be again for 2008! I won't be surprised if the US sent Columbia to provoke Chavez! Columbia--a drug terrorist state? I mean go figure! War on terror my arse! How can the US be fighting terror and be sleeping in Colombia's bed at the same time? Political harlotry a say! GIVE ME AN "O"!!! OLODOS! Madam na COLOMBIA not COLUMBIA . . . calling others olodo doesnt help when u make such glaring errors. |
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The definition of terrorist is vague - one man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Also, there is no internationally agreed definition of the term "terrorist".
Stop making a failed argument. Colombia has even recognized that her actions were tantamount to a political blunder and have subsequently apologized. What is this? Don't you get this simple concept?
Stop sounding like a clueless simpleton.Apologies in this context were not an admission of illegality.The question is whether their actions are illegal and simply mentioning an apology that doesn't admit illegality is delving into mind numbing stupidity. Like I noted earlier,this is only one of a series of similar apologies Colombia has been issuing since time immemorial.The core issue still remains-does Colombia possess the right to intervene where its neighbor is aiding and abetting rebels?The clear answer is yes. If however this is so self-evidently illegal.Nothing stops Ecuador from seeking legal redress.Until it does so and obtains a favorable decision in that regard,the issue of legality is open to debate. |
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debosky (m)
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@ Richy why the tacit avoidance of the prime issue - the reason behind this 'breach'? FARC rebels killed innocent Colombians, and they have broken Colombian law, thus deserve to face the full wrath. Even if Colombia apologised, it has made certain claims that would make its actions understandable if not justifiable - that elements in Both Ecuador and Venezuela are giving tacit and open support to these rebels, that amounts to interference in Colombia by Ecuador and Venezuela, so in that sense, Colombia has the 'right' to do the same thing. @ almond US sent Uribe to 'provoke' Chavez? Sent by the US? Chavez is provoked if the chickens don't lay enough eggs, and blames it on the US anyways so I don't think he needs any additional annoyance. Secondly, Chavez is simply a noisy oaf who gets attention due to his big mouth and the nation's oil resources. Militarily? He is not very important. These days, if someone oversleeps it is because the US held the sun behind. conspiracy theorists at their idiotic best. You're very naive to think Chavez is actually a US 'enemy' - read up on CITGO if you have the time. All this is political posturing and nothing more. Notice that Brazil ( a much bigger country than both Venezuela and Ecuador) has not become involved in this charade simply because they know Colombia is not threatening anyone else, simply going after their national objectives, not some grandiose dreams of South American domination as espoused by Hugo Boy |
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almondjoy (f)
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Madam na COLOMBIA not COLUMBIA . . . calling others olodo doesnt help when u make such glaring errors.
Whatever it is! Na ma body you dey get power! Common face the topic! |
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bawomolo (m)
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Columbia no be US ally? Any enemy of US is a friend of Chavez. . . . . .and any friend of US is an enemy of Chavez! Period! I say Hugo Boss was ma man of the year in 2007 and may well be again for 2008! the US has been ally of colombia way before hugo chavez's accent to power. the US got involved in columbia due to drug way against the cali and medellin cartel. the FARC benefits from the drug trade. it's of columbia's interest to control its bother. stop spreading lies. i bet u have no problem with chavez closing down private stations in venezuela. hey as long as they hate the US right. The definition of terrorist is vague - one man terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Also, there is no internationally agreed definition of the term "terrorist". yes a group responsible for the murder of professors, politicians, intellectuals, peasants is not a terrorist group. yes a group responsible for cocaine trafficking is not a terrorist group. yes a group responsible for bombings and sabotage is not a terrorist group. Stop making a failed argument. Colombia has even recognized that her actions were tantamount to a political blunder and have subsequently apologized. What is this? Don't you get this simple concept? u really don't get it do you. ecuador should stop harboring the FARC or else cross border raids would happen again. |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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How is attacking FARC rebels who are killing and kidnapping innocent Colombians and giving the country a bad name through cocaine trafficking the same thing as fighting a 'proxy war' for the US?
Unless of course, Chavez is the funder of the FARC. . .in the absence of that Richy is simply blowing hot air again.
@debosky, Richy is not blowing hot air. Let me give you a brief run down on the issues. America's main interest in Colombia is fighting the War on Drugs. This senseless war is part of the reason that about 1% of the US population is in jail (the highest in the whole world both in absolute and relative terms). The sale of drugs constitutes most of the funding for the FARC and Colombia has been trying to suppress the rebel group for years. Hugo Chavez enters the picture because he is openly anti-Bush (like RichyBlack  ) and the US has been seeking ways to take him out. The US wants to use the FARC issue to tie Hugo Chavez into something "illegal" and then try to use that as case against him. There is no way on God's green earth that Uribe would have clearly violated international laws so brazenly without the go-ahead signal from his bosses in Washington DC. In summary, this is an attempt to tie together three things: 1. the so-called war on drugs 2. the so-called war on terror 3. the Hugo Chavez problem We know Bush is a war monger and he's looking for one or two more countries to invade before leaving office. He's obviously trying to lay down some ground work for that. |
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almondjoy (f)
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@ Richy why the tacit avoidance of the prime issue - the reason behind this 'breach'? FARC rebels killed innocent Colombians, and they have broken Colombian law, thus deserve to face the full wrath. Even if Colombia apologised, it has made certain claims that would make its actions understandable if not justifiable - that elements in Both Ecuador and Venezuela are giving tacit and open support to these rebels, that amounts to interference in Colombia by Ecuador and Venezuela, so in that sense, Colombia has the 'right' to do the same thing. @ almondUS sent Uribe to 'provoke' Chavez? Sent by the US? Chavez is provoked if the chickens don't lay enough eggs, and blames it on the US anyways so I don't think he needs any additional annoyance. Secondly, Chavez is simply a noisy oaf who gets attention due to his big mouth and the nation's oil resources. Militarily? He is not very important.These days, if someone oversleeps it is because the US held the sun behind. conspiracy theorists at their idiotic best. You're very naive to think Chavez is actually a US 'enemy' - read up on CITGO if you have the time. All this is political posturing and nothing more. Notice that Brazil ( a much bigger country than both Venezuela and Ecuador) has not become involved in this charade simply because they know Colombia is not threatening anyone else, simply going after their national objectives, not some grandiose dreams of South American domination as espoused by Hugo Boy Yes! I know about all that CITGO mess. Of course, when the US smells oil--they will keep that aspect of "your friendship"! Just like Saddam was provoked.  Do you see a pattern here? Nigeria might be next who knows. Used by Bakassi! the US has been ally of colombia way before hugo chavez's accent to power. the US got involved in columbia due to drug way against the cali and medellin cartel. the FARC benefits from the drug trade. it's of columbia's interest to control its bother. stop spreading lies. i bet u have no problem with chavez closing down private stations in venezuela. hey as long as they hate the US right.
yes a group responsible for the murder of professors, politicians, intellectuals, peasants is not a terrorist group. yes a group responsible for cocaine trafficking is not a terrorist group. yes a group responsible for bombings and sabotage is not a terrorist group.
u really don't get it do you. ecuador should stop harboring the FARC or else cross border raids would happen again.
In your own case, I am still trying to figure out what you are really up to on Nairaland. I just haven't figured that out yet!  I may never do that before I expire from this world. Joker in the pack! |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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Stop sounding like a clueless simpleton.Apologies in this context were not an admission of illegality.The question is whether their actions are illegal and simply mentioning an apology that doesn't admit illegality is delving into mind numbing stupidity.
Like I noted earlier,this is only one of a series of similar apologies Colombia has been issuing since time immemorial.The core issue still remains-does Colombia possess the right to intervene where its neighbor is aiding and abetting rebels?The clear answer is no.
If however this is so self-evidently illegal.Nothing stops Ecuador from seeking legal redress.Until it does so and obtains a favorable decision in that regard,the issue of legality is open to debate.
Now I see that you have real issues with respect of international laws. I hope America bombs your village someday and wipes out everybody in it. And I expect to see you defend the actions of the Americans. |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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@ Richy why the tacit avoidance of the prime issue - the reason behind this 'breach'? FARC rebels killed innocent Colombians, and they have broken Colombian law, thus deserve to face the full wrath. Even if Colombia apologised, it has made certain claims that would make its actions understandable if not justifiable - that elements in Both Ecuador and Venezuela are giving tacit and open support to these rebels, that amounts to interference in Colombia by Ecuador and Venezuela, so in that sense, Colombia has the 'right' to do the same thing. @ almond US sent Uribe to 'provoke' Chavez? Sent by the US? Chavez is provoked if the chickens don't lay enough eggs, and blames it on the US anyways so I don't think he needs any additional annoyance. Secondly, Chavez is simply a noisy oaf who gets attention due to his big mouth and the nation's oil resources. Militarily? He is not very important. These days, if someone oversleeps it is because the US held the sun behind. conspiracy theorists at their idiotic best. You're very naive to think Chavez is actually a US 'enemy' - read up on CITGO if you have the time. All this is political posturing and nothing more. Notice that Brazil ( a much bigger country than both Venezuela and Ecuador) has not become involved in this charade simply because they know Colombia is not threatening anyone else, simply going after their national objectives, not some grandiose dreams of South American domination as espoused by Hugo Boy @debosky, When discussing these political issues try to look at things more broadly. Firstly, support of so-called rebel groups is not illegal. Kosovo just declared independence from Serbia last month, an act of rebellion under some definition, but the US and other countries still went ahead to recognize it. During the Nicaraguan Revolution, the US supported the Contras, a rebel group in Nicaragua. During the Vietnam War, China supported the Viet Cong rebel group which was fighting against the government of South Vietnam. Did the US invade China? No way! The problem is that though the definition of who and what constitutes a rebel and who is actually supporting and funding them is debatable and subject to all kind of biased view points, the violation of the territorial integrity of a sovereign nation is much more clear cut. |
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4Him (m)
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Whatever it is! Na ma body you dey get power! Common face the topic! using a broom to sweep off the illiterates first. |
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4Him (m)
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Now I see that you have real issues with respect of international laws. I hope America bombs your village someday and wipes out everybody in it. And I expect to see you defend the actions of the Americans.
richy and "international laws" are strange bedfellows. |
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almondjoy (f)
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using a broom to sweep off the illiterates first.
You have major issues! All the illiterates on Nairaland have you swept them away? Why am I any different to you? Amadioha fire you and your broom! Move jo! |
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4 Play (m)
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Now I see that you have real issues with respect of international laws. I hope America bombs your village someday and wipes out everybody in it. And I expect to see you defend the actions of the Americans.
Emotional incontinence symptomatic of an Ewu Hausa. You have no grasp of the core issue being feeble-minded.Your mantra is that Colombia apologised-its an apology over process not substance and its not determinative of the issue of legality. Like the earlier example I noted.If Chad were to host rebels in its territory who regularly attack Nigeria,it will be crass to claim that Nigeria has no business infringing on the territorial integrity of Chad.If the international legal process worked that way,any group can simply go to another territory and mount attacks on a neighboring country while pleading "territorial integrity." |
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bawomolo (m)
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We know Bush is a war monger and he's looking for one or two more countries to invade before leaving office. He's obviously trying to lay down some ground work for that. this is a baseless claim, the US army is stretched from afghanistan to iraq to south korea. the only possibility is an airstrike against iran which is high unlikely by the way. the US has no reason to invade venezuela since CITGO is the 5th largest supplier of crude oil to the US. Now I see that you have real issues with respect of international laws. I hope America bombs your village someday and wipes out everybody in it. And I expect to see you defend the actions of the Americans. the US doesn't need to wipe out a village, just like the strike against terrorists in somali, laser or heat seeking missiles can hit a target without destroying a whole environ. this isn't WWII. In your own case, I am still trying to figure out what you are really up to on Nairaland. I just haven't figured that out yet! I may never do that before I expire from this world i'm still trying to figure out when u would actually counter an argument |
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4Him (m)
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You have major issues! All the illiterates on Nairaland have you swept them away? Why am I any different to you? Move jo! I mean from this thread. Oya shoo . . . we've just swept this place clean! There is no way on God's green earth that Uribe would have clearly violated international laws so brazenly without the go-ahead signal from his bosses in Washington DC.
Conspiracy theorists will not be able to see even if u gave them cows eyes. If indeed Uribe violated international laws what is Chavez's problem? Is Ecuador a part of Sovereign Venezuela? |
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4Him (m)
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turkey recently moved troops into Southern Iraq to root out Kurdish rebels . . . where was Richy Black and his campaign of international law observance?
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bawomolo (m)
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turkey recently moved troops into Southern Iraq to root out Kurdish rebels . . . where was Richy Black and his campaign of international law observance? he doesn't care about the Kurds since they are US backed. hamas, shining path, FARC, hezbollah are cool though. |
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debosky (m)
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Thats a succinct surmise Richy, but its wild extrapolation at best.
The war on drugs may/may not be 'senseless' - it kills people daily and it is definitely the prerogative of the US to fight that as it deems fit.
That is a real problem in Colombia and the people are sick and tired of it. I think Colombians have a mind of their own and want to see their own people stop getting kidnapped. If you want to lump that as simply 'US machinations' then good luck.
FARC has killed even French citizens, it has harmed people way beyond its borders, it is of course expected that others will be interested in its annihilation.
the 'hugo chavez' problem? The Venezuelans will solve that themselves and have started already - defeating his attempts to be a life president and modify the constitution unduly. . .give him another 6 years and he will be the new Pinochet in South America - running from pillar to post from prosecution if care is not taken.
Hugo's main threat to the US is economic - from nationalizing its companies assets. Exxon is fighting that 'war' in court and losing, further 'enraging' Chavez.
Once again, this is not the first crazed story we will hear summarily linked to the US and its hatred of Chavez, reality check please.
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4 Play (m)
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richy and "international laws" are strange bedfellows.
The man knows International law the same way a man born blind knows the paintings on the Sistine Chapel. |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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Emotional incontinence symptomatic of an Ewu Hausa. You have no grasp of the core issue being feeble-minded.Your mantra is that Colombia apologised-its an apology over process not substance and its not determinative of the issue of legality.
Like the earlier example I noted.If Chad were to host rebels in its territory who regularly attack Nigeria,it will be crass to claim that Nigeria has no business infringing on the territorial integrity of Chad.If the international legal process worked that way,any group can simply go to another territory and mount attacks on a neighboring country while pleading "territorial integrity."
Let me expose your stupidity on all things geopolitics: Why didn't the US invade China during the Vietnam War that annihilated over 50,000 US soldiers, when they (Americans) knew that the Viet Cong rebel group were being supported by China?You think we're discussing soap operas here. Anu mpam! |
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almondjoy (f)
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@debosky,
When discussing these political issues try to look at things more broadly.
Firstly, support of so-called rebel groups is not illegal. Kosovo just declared independence from Serbia last month, an act of rebellion under some definition, but the US and other countries still went ahead to recognize it.
During the Nicaraguan Revolution, the US supported the Contras, a rebel group in Nicaragua.
During the Vietnam War, China supported the Viet Cong rebel group which was fighting against the government of South Vietnam. Did the US invade China? No way!
The problem is that though the definition of who and what constitutes a rebel and who is actually supporting and funding them is debatable and subject to all kind of biased view points, the violation of the territorial integrity of a sovereign nation is much more clear cut.
See Evidence!!! I say you too much RichyBlacK. You too much I say. Islander will be proud of you. Enter Islander please! I mean from this thread. Oya shoo . . . we've just swept this place clean! Conspiracy theorists will not be able to see even if u gave them cows eyes. If indeed Uribe violated international laws what is Chavez's problem? Is Ecuador a part of Sovereign Venezuela? Oh yeah?  Till they meet you in your bedroom, then you take action abi? Why don't you preach the same to Israel. this is a baseless claim, the US army is stretched from afghanistan to iraq to south korea. the only possibility is an airstrike against iran which is high unlikely by the way. the US has no reason to invade venezuela since CITGO is the 5th largest supplier of crude oil to the US.
the US doesn't need to wipe out a village, just like the strike against terrorists in somali, laser or heat seeking missiles can hit a target without destroying a whole environ. this isn't WWII.
i'm still trying to figure out when u would actually counter an argument
All this your copy and pasting is really disturbing my frail eyes. Do you have problems with short term memory loss? |
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LadyT (f)
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The amount of conk English is amazing, |
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4 Play (m)
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Let me expose your stupidity on all things geopolitics:
Why didn't the US invade China during the Vietnam War that annihilated over 50,000 US soldiers, when they (Americans) knew that the Viet Cong rebel group were being supported by China?
You think we're discussing soap operas here. Anu mpam!
You utterly lack basic knowledge of history.The US did intervene in neighboring countries except for China which was obviously a nuclear power.You are effectively asking why didn't the US spark nuclear war with China.You need any more evidence of how utterly benighted you are? You are doing a good job exposing how hare-brained you are. |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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Thats a succinct surmise Richy, but its wild extrapolation at best.
The war on drugs may/may not be 'senseless' - it kills people daily and it is definitely the prerogative of the US to fight that as it deems fit.
That is a real problem in Colombia and the people are sick and tired of it. I think Colombians have a mind of their own and want to see their own people stop getting kidnapped. If you want to lump that as simply 'US machinations' then good luck.
FARC has killed even French citizens, it has harmed people way beyond its borders, it is of course expected that others will be interested in its annihilation.
the 'hugo chavez' problem? The Venezuelans will solve that themselves and have started already - defeating his attempts to be a life president and modify the constitution unduly. . .give him another 6 years and he will be the new Pinochet in South America - running from pillar to post from prosecution if care is not taken.
Hugo's main threat to the US is economic - from nationalizing its companies assets. Exxon is fighting that 'war' in court and losing, further 'enraging' Chavez.
Once again, this is not the first crazed story we will hear summarily linked to the US and its hatred of Chavez, reality check please.
Chavez cannot be like Pinochet. Do you know that Pinochet was put in power by the Americans? This is not a conspiracy theory, just go look it up whenever you have the time. My point is that Hugo Chavez did well in mobilizing the Venezuelan army. This has inevitably sent a very strong message to Uribe and his masters in Washington DC. They now know that Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil, etc. are watching Uribe's actions closely. I'm sure he won't try that nonsense again. |
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bawomolo (m)
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Why didn't the US invade China during the Vietnam War that annihilated over 50,000 US soldiers, when they (Americans) knew that the Viet Cong rebel group were being supported by China? this makes no sense, the US invaded china during the korean war because it made strategical sense to push the chinese back so UN forces could invade north korea. The viet cong may have gotten some support from china but the main problem came from laos and cambodia. that's the reason why the US ordered the bombing of laos. the alliance between vietnam and china was weak. All this your copy and pasting is really disturbing my frail eyes. Do you have problems with short term memory loss? thx for the compliment |
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4Him (m)
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My point is that Hugo Chavez did well in mobilizing the Venezuelan army. This has inevitably sent a very strong message to Uribe and his masters in Washington DC. They now know that Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil, etc. are watching Uribe's actions closely. I'm sure he won't try that nonsense again.
The question is not whether Chavez did well or not but WHY Chavez is interested in the politics of his neighbours? Is it because Colombia is a US aly? Chavez is simply an ignorant rabble rouser . . . just sad that the likes of richyblack tend to gravitate towards just about any tool who bad mouths the US. |
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RichyBlacK (m)
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You utterly lack basic knowledge of history.The US did intervene in neighboring countries except for China which was obviously a nuclear power.You are effectively asking why didn't the US spark nuclear war with China.You need any more evidence of how utterly benighted you are? You are doing a good job exposing how hare-brained you are.
See okuko wey don lose im head they roll for ground. Almondo, come see me knock this pretender out! The US intervened in what neighboring country? Another quiz for this empty barrel from London: Name one country on the side of the Viet Congs that America invaded as part of dismantling the support base of the Viet Cong?Wonders shall never end! Very ignorant people discussing politics as if it's soap opera. You think this is Arsenal vs Liverpool? |
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