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Constantin
Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« on: May 02, 2006, 03:51 PM »

While Chinese, Indian, Malaysian and Corean investors like to come to Nigeria, investors from Europe and America continue with their Nigeria bashing. Always playing the same trumpet (corruption, over-reliance on oil, infrastucture problmes, insecurity etc.). All these things exist also in Asia´s lesser developed countries such as Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam but white people go there incessantly and invest their money while they shun Africa.
Can´t they see that our contry is progressing or are they BLIND?Huh
asian investors come to Nigeria our governement should just forget this white people and go on with knitting more and stronger ties with Asia. Nobody will be talking of Europe in 40 to 50 years any more as this continent will be lost as the new Asian century dawns.

Read this foolish article Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

May 2nd, 2006
Foreign investors not moved by debt payment to Paris Club

Reuters

International investors are not expected to had immediately for Nigeria following the liquidation of the country's external debt to the Paris Club of creditors, analysts in Paris and London have told to Reuters.

In fact, they say it is still a long, rough road before Nigeria can shake off its negative international image that has marred its chances of drawing the attention of investors to other sectors of the economy outside the traditionally lucrative oil and gas.

Attracting foreign direct investments into the Nigerian economy in a much robust and diversified manner, according to the analysts, largely depends on what the government does with its reform agenda going forward, and also what happens in the political process in the next 18 months.

But they all agreed that the payment of the Paris Club debt represents a landmark, which closes a chapter in the country's economic history and draws a line on the debt story that allows everyone to move forward.

Paris-based international direct investment analyst and Chatham House, London expert, Stephen Thomsen, saythat after paying off the Paris Club debt, Nigeria's major problem remains how to overcome the long-standing negative perception of the country in the international investment markets.

Said Thomsen: "Interest in Nigeria has always been driven by the fact that it has oil and a large market. The payment of the Paris Club debt is only symbolic as an indication that Nigeria is able to meet its obligation.

"However, Nigeria has a bad perception internationally and so the major problem will be overcoming this negative perception of the country."

Victor Lopez, a senior economist and Africa analyst at Societe General in Paris, also shares the view that payment of the debt will not necessarily lead to an inward flow of investment into Nigeria. Like Thomsen, he says Nigeria has always had strong foreign direct investments flows because it is an oil-producing nation.

"Nigeria has an average of $3-4 billion inflow of FDI per year, but I don't see how the payment of the Paris Club debt will directly enhance that. The recent banking sector reforms brought in about $600 million, so maybe that's a first step to FDI diversification for the Nigerian economy."

For Societe General's Lopez, there is something remarkable about the debt payment. Indeed, Lopez describes the payment of the debt as a landmark achievement which has totally changed the debt story of Nigeria.

"From being a huge 66 percent of GDP in 2004, it has now drastically come down to five percent of GDP this year. That's a very big step," he said.

London-based Clearwater's Africa analyst, Antony Goldman, says the payment of the debt by Nigeria will now put an end to a "sterile debate," adding that a deal of that size was always going to be an issue for debate.

He said: "In general, the resolution of the Paris Club debt issue with Nigeria is good for all parties. It draws the line and allows everyone to move on. The issue is Nigeria never borrowed that much in the first place, but it became an issue for sterile debate, and the value of the payment is that it puts an end to this sterile debate."

In his analysis of the payment of the Paris Club debt, David Cowan, a senior economist and the Africa editor at the Economist Intelligence Unit told BusinessDAY that it was irrelevant to investors whether or not Nigeria had paid off its Paris Club debt.

According to him, the future of the Nigerian economy is tied to other reforms, the price of oil and what happens in the political process.

Said Cowan: "I don't see how the payment will shape the Nigerian economy in terms of its ability to attract foreign investments. The biggest factors influencing what happens in the Nigerian economy are such things as the reform agenda of the government, which investors are keen to see government carry through.

"There is also the issue of the Niger Delta, which attracts a lot of negative publicity and the government needs to change that negative perception that the country has amongst international investors. Investors are keen to see that resolved."

Michael Peel, the former Financial Times West Africa correspondent, who is very familiar with Nigeria, and a Chatham House associate in London identified the issue of corruption, political uncertainty, and the Niger Delta as issues that new investors are concerned about, not payment of Paris Club debt.

Describing as positive the fact that Nigeria has been able to lift the burden of the debt off its shoulders, Peel said this had freed up a lot of money, around $1billion - $1.5 billion yearly, which could be invested in social services and infrastructure.

"The deal also helps with the credit rating of Nigeria. This can open up the international financial market for the country to raise money," Peel said.
      
my2cents (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #1 on: May 02, 2006, 04:15 PM »

Simple - Oyibo doesn't regard us as anything.  Which leads me to another question I have been brewing over for a while - why, *generally speaking*, do we as blacks in general and nigerians in particular, tend to want to emulate oyibo in all they do?  If at all, shouldn't it be the good stuff?

Another reason I have is that by bashing, they keep people out of the place while they make a killer $$.  So for example, have you ever heard Coke or Mobil or Shell bash Nigeria (even with the recent kidnappings)?

Something to chew on folks, But it pisses me off too.  Of course we could get rid of it all by having people in office that would make nigeria such a wonderful place to be so that those in the diaspora would come back and help make it a place people would praise, rather than bash.
Hero (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #2 on: May 21, 2006, 09:59 AM »

BUMP!! I like this topic, it should be focused on more.  Smiley
kimba (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #3 on: May 24, 2006, 11:47 PM »

the problem with Nigeria is that we don't have an initiative to project a good PR about Nigeria.

Its like this: Oyinbos go to Nigeria with their cameras, "oh, we are tourists", and Nigeria has no capability to verify whether these peeps are from CNN, discovery channel or wherever, so they come to Nigeria, and their blind eyes cannot see the developed areas, they go snapping away at the North, South, East, West and wherever they find mud houses, illiterates, hungry and poor people, fulani children with their cows, sick people in sick-hospitals etc

then they go back to wherever they came from and bring out a video on discovery channel. And guess what the intro of the video will look like: You will see a Lion wondering alone, and a child looking at it afar off. Then the word "AFRICA" will assemble itself on the screen.

There are also poor and destitute people in the Western world, across America and Europe. If a Nigerian for example, goes and films those things and wants it to be broadcast on CNN for example, will they even give him a slot once they see the content of his film? thats what im talking about, PR.

Have you seen good pictures of "Nigerias Oil heritage" without seeing an oil well burning? the question is: are all the oil wells burning, are they been wasted?

We are too concerned about oil that we have forgotten PR.
food4tot (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #4 on: May 30, 2006, 02:16 PM »

Quote from: kimba on May 24, 2006, 11:47 PM
. . .
Its like this: Oyinbos go to Nigeria with their cameras, "oh, we are tourists", and Nigeria has no capability to verify whether these peeps are from CNN, discovery channel or wherever, so they come to Nigeria, and their blind eyes cannot see the developed areas, they go snapping away at the North, South, East, West and wherever they find mud houses, illiterates, hungry and poor people, fulani children with their cows, sick people in sick-hospitals etc

then they go back to wherever they came from and bring out a video on discovery channel. And guess what the intro of the video will look like: You will see a Lion wondering alone, and a child looking at it afar off. Then the word "AFRICA" will assemble itself on the screen. . .

hehehe

Its funny you noted that too. All the pictures of Africa is &*%^ (can't think of a word). They are so misinformed.

They give loans to corrupt leaders to buy military hardware from them and these dictators keep the rest in their banks.
When kataka burst they freeze their(the dictators) bank account and keep pressing the poor countries to pay up their debt.

Nigeria payed much more than he borrowed, yet when Nigeria borrowed UK some £1,000,000 during the world war, she didn't loan it with interest.
Nigeria bought and sponsored a cruiser called HMS Nigeria and some spitfire fighters too.

http://www.wartimememories.co.uk/ships/nigeria.html


however you want to put it, it was the sweat of my people that translated into that cruiser despite the fact that we where under colonial rule.
food4tot (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #5 on: May 30, 2006, 02:23 PM »

in fact, the "west" are the beneficiary of the aids they send to Africa. Over 50% of aid donations is spent on administration (i guess that solves their unemployment issues)

by the way, a very high percentage of them are unemployed but they are paid by their government to ensure that the country has a high purchasing power.

. . . I am beginning to feel racist myself, I wasn't like this before I came here.

gosh!
xkape (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #6 on: June 01, 2006, 02:53 PM »

Africans will never get it, will they?

Do not expect anybody, white yellow or blue, to pull you out of your predicament or offer any meaningful hel. Why?, because the law of nature is SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. And we are at the bottom of the food chain right now. The only thing we can do is pull ourselves out of the pits ourselves and that will never happen if the able-brained africans keep griping and complaining abaout how the whites hate us bla bla bla. Yea, we know, GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON. like the japanese, chinese, indians, malaysians. The only thing people respect is power, not sentiment, not a sense of fairness, just brute strenth.
Why isnt George Bush invading North Korea?, because he will get his butt kicked and he knows it!

And give a little credit to Europeans, they are hypocritical, self-serving and greedy but arent we all ? In this little Obodo Nigeria we have Abuja a glorious city built with oil money, we have a third mainland bridge and yet we can't build one decent road in the Niger Delta. Kettles calling pots black! Someone mentioned something about 50% aid going to administration- is this not better than the 100% going into swiss bank accounts in Nigeria? Europeans are in no way obliged to give us aid. Do not look a gift horse in the mouth.
If positions were reversed do u see average Nigerians contributing to relief like americans and europeans contributed to the tsunami relief effort?

Someone also said that chinese and others invest in nigeria. I doubt if u really know what you're talking about. Most (not all) of these "investment" are in questionable businesses where they can bend the rules like they would not be able to do anywhere else in the world. The lebanese are pioneers in "investing in Nigeria" . They learnt quickly that u can achive anything in Nigeria with a little bribery. Or have we forgotten Chagouri and Chagouri?. Chinese and Taiwanese sweat shops in lagos cost hundreds of Nigerian lives every year because of the working conditions. As flawed as Euro-Americans are u cannot fault their sensitivity about such things as workers rights and propiety in bussiness dealings. All the pirated CDs we see all over Nigeria are examples of your Asian investment.

And u all think Europeans are racist? Wait till China takes over the world in a few years. Your worst nightmares will come true. I work in an Industry where we interact with people of various nationalities everyday, and trust me you don't want to be subject to an Asian as a black man. Europeans have at least interacted with africans for hundreds of years. There are chinese that havent even seen a black man in the flessh before, and the Japanese are the greatest supremacists of all time. And i have heard that Indonesians say that Black kaffirs are the lowest form of human life.

And to the guy who says nigeria bought a ship in the World War or something. Was that a Nigeria ruled by The British? So that was an example of the British supporting a war by the British with money from one of their overseas businesses, Nigeria----duh
food4tot (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #7 on: June 01, 2006, 03:48 PM »

you are so silly xkape.

why are you crucifying me now? Grin I am just an observer.
food4tot (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #8 on: June 01, 2006, 04:01 PM »

Quote from: xkape on June 01, 2006, 02:53 PM
Africans will never get it, will they?

Do not expect anybody, white yellow or blue, to pull you out of your predicament or offer any meaningful hel. Why?, because the law of nature is SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. And we are at the bottom of the food chain right now. The only thing we can do is pull ourselves out of the pits ourselves and that will never happen if the able-brained africans keep griping and complaining abaout how the whites hate us bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

I have not said anything wrong and I have not lied. I am only trying to give people food for thought. Everything I have said is fact. Trust me. I've lived in the UK some years and I have seen a different me in their eyes and I have also seen them without the scales of the media covering my eyes. There was no racism in me whatsoever until I worked with them. In fact I used to love and adore them. I still like a lot of them though. Maybe u should read BBC news and read "Have your say" in the african section. You will notice that the "have your say" is highly moderated and it's purpose seems to be making africa look like a place you should give aids to for the rest of mankind. They would continue to give fish to the hungry but never teach him to fish even if he begs to be taught.
xkape (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #9 on: June 01, 2006, 04:52 PM »

@food4thot
No whahala bros but You don't wait for someone to teach u to fish, You watch him fish and u try it, or u steal his net, whatever gets the fish. This is the asian method
food4tot (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #10 on: June 01, 2006, 06:04 PM »

lol  Grin Grin Grin
Drusilla (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #11 on: June 15, 2006, 07:30 AM »

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There was no racism in me whatsoever until I worked with them. In fact I used to love and adore them.

Food4tot,

This is exactly my thinking.

We have a situtation in America, where blacks with a higher income are ANGRIER at whites about racism, than blacks who live in the Ghetto.

It always shocks people because they think it is the poor blackman who blames whites for his poverty that is angry at whites.

I think it is just like you say. When you are forced to work with whites and see them in person, then you are constantly bombarded with their racism.

However in the Ghetto, whites are few and far between, so thus you can avoid them and thus you are not constantly stabbed in the heart with their racism, to keep you angry.
xkape (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #12 on: June 15, 2006, 01:45 PM »

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I think it is just like you say. When you are forced to work with whites and see them in person, then you are constantly bombarded with their racism.

However in the Ghetto, whites are few and far between, so thus you can avoid them and thus you are not constantly stabbed in the heart with their racism, to keep you angry.

Whether someone gets u angry or not is entirely up to u. Unless the person does u some physical harm, u can always chose to be unaffected. I think a racist should be pitied above all men. He is not worth being mad at
oyinboaja
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #13 on: March 30, 2007, 12:37 PM »

Quote from: kimba on May 24, 2006, 11:47 PM
the problem with Nigeria is that we don't have an initiative to project a good PR about Nigeria.

Its like this: Oyinbos go to Nigeria with their cameras, "oh, we are tourists", and Nigeria has no capability to verify whether these peeps are from CNN, discovery channel or wherever, so they come to Nigeria, and their blind eyes cannot see the developed areas, they go snapping away at the North, South, East, West and wherever they find mud houses, illiterates, hungry and poor people, fulani children with their cows, sick people in sick-hospitals etc

then they go back to wherever they came from and bring out a video on discovery channel. And guess what the intro of the video will look like: You will see a Lion wondering alone, and a child looking at it afar off. Then the word "AFRICA" will assemble itself on the screen.

There are also poor and destitute people in the Western world, across America and Europe. If a Nigerian for example, goes and films those things and wants it to be broadcast on CNN for example, will they even give him a slot once they see the content of his film? thats what im talking about, PR.

Have you seen good pictures of "Nigerias Oil heritage" without seeing an oil well burning? the question is: are all the oil wells burning, are they been wasted?

We are too concerned about oil that we have forgotten PR.

This is so true.

The reason they need to do that is to make themselves feel good. It is the sociological effects of such information on westerners.

If you are told that you are better than most other people, you are likely to feel good about your life and be less disgruntled. Onthe other hand, if you think that most others are better than you, you will feel disgruntled and desperate. If the western media does not have anything to show that they are better than others, their people will be less inclined to do what they currently do. they will be less inclined to spend the way they do which will in turn affect the economics as there will be less investement.

We also need to wake up and start sensitizing our people to the fact that they are much better than many people in Europe and America. We should go and show the homelessness, racism, violence etc on the streets of america to our people and they'll start to value their own ways of life.

We need to show our people what goes on in Eastern Europe and also show them the drug and alcohol infested lifestyles of british people. Then we will start appreciating and loving our own selves. If we start loving and appreciating ourselves, we will have more confidence and we will see internal investments increase because we will patronise our own goods and spend within rather than spend to help foreign industries
dafman (m)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #14 on: March 31, 2007, 12:36 PM »

If Nigerians don't reorientate their view towards their country it would be hard for outsiders to see us any better. We tend to focus more on the negative things in the country, and even outside the  country we share the negative things more than the positives. An election is coming up in two weeks time and the press, politicians and everyone that has a voice are predicting Armageddon, why would the oyinbos not also predict war and chaos?

At the end of the day even if the elections go by peacefully they will report on the few cases of violence and say the election was marred by violence.
LagosChild (f)
Re: Why This Nigeria Bashing From White People Always? I Hate It!
« #15 on: March 31, 2007, 12:42 PM »

even Nigerians themselves have negative things to say about efforts of the government- so what do u expect foreigners to say? Ask someone in Nigeria if it was a good thing to pay off our debt, he/she will have something negative to say, ask someone if it is good to build railways, he/she will say it will never succeed, ask someone if it is good to host the world cup, he/she will say it is a waste of money, ask someone if it is good to build another bridge accross the River Niger, he/she will say it is not needed, ask someone if it is good to fight corrupt leaders, he/she will say, no it is being used to fight opponents, ask someone if it is good to develop Abuja, he/she will say, no, it is a waste of money, so what do you expect foreigners to say when Nigerians themselves are so negative about their country?
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