Re: Who Are The Pharisees and the Sadducees?

Hey yisraylite,
am glad, seems you seen that work. Anyone that wanna begin to talk about the Bible with confidence should try and do some research and investigation into the Catholic Church and her works at least they been there over a millennium before the reformation began.You would the shocked at the revelations.

Mr focus, how do you expect us to show you the original when they were already destroyed, uh ?

We have a bruise remaining in the vatican, you can go and see for urself

it is quite interesting that there are over 24,000 manuscript of the bible. Of  which no two are exactly the same. Jcross pls chew on that and tell us which is the original

@collins, i think you are the deluded one here,


'in their hearts is a disease (of doubt and hypocrisy) and Allah has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies (against Allah)' Quran 2:10

@the_seeker, please before i answer that can you tell me where  in those manuscripts where you will find different in  story of the creation of the earth, the story of the isrealite or the birth of christ . since nothing like that exist so please keep quiet or are you talking about the interpretation of the bible , look i will tell you what you don't know as we move from century to another there is always change in grammatical speech or vocabularies that can change the interpretation of the bible but still have thesame meaning okay. or for you to proof your claim quote from any  of that verse in such different manuscript which have different meaning but from the same verse but if you can't PLEASE REMAIN SILENT

@Collins, No need for the name calling, A Ghost does not carry physical Sperm , you christians claim Ea-Zeus(Jesus) was a man,yet his Mom had sex with a Ghost ,The Creator sanctioned a way for all humans to be born into this world and that is through a man impregnating a woman. Your God must be a freak and needs to be destroyed for stealing another man's wife and impregnating her with invincible  casper the friendly ghost's sperm   , That's truely disgusting a God that has sex with his creation!


You have been brain washed  by the white men at the vatican, You should really feel ashamed to be an African who bows to , cries out to a worldwide product created and manufactured in Rome, have some pride man! the white man is not better than you! We are the original people and all life and civilization began  in Africa!! They have even turned the Horus myth into a Jesus reality and silly overly emotional christians blindly and mindlessly follow

A List of the similarities between Horus and Jesus:

>Horus and the Father are one.
>Jesus says, "I and My Father are one.  He that
seeth Me, seeth Him that sent Me."

>Horus is the Father seen in the Son.
>Jesus claims to be the Son in whom the Father is revealed.

>Horus was the light of the world, the light that is represented by the symbolical eye, the sign of salvation.
>Jesus is made to declare that He is the light of the world.

>Horus was the way, the truth, the life by name and in person.
>Jesus is made to assert that he is the way, the truth,
and the life.

>Horus was the plant, the shoot, the natzar.
>Jesus is made to say: "I am the true vine."

>Horus says:  It is I who traverse the heaven; I go round the Sekhet-Arru (the Elysian Fields); Eternity has been assigned to me without end.  Lo!  I am heir of endless time and my attribute is eternity.
>Jesus says: " I am come down from Heaven.  For this is
the will of the Father that everyone who beholdeth the
Son and believeth in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."  (He, too, claims to be lord of eternity.)

>Horus says: " I open the Tuat that I may drive away the darkness."
>Jesus says: " I am come a light unto the world."

>Horus says:  I am equipped with thy words O Ra (the father in heaven) (ch.32) and repeat them to those who are deprived of breath.  (ch.38).  These were the words of the father in heaven.
>Jesus says: " The Father which sent me, he hath given
me a commandment, what I should say and what I should
speak.  Whatsoever  I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.  The word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."

A comparative list of some pre-existing types to Christianity shows further how these types were brought on in the canonical Gospels and the Book of Revelation:

1. Horus baptized with water by Anup = Jesus
    Baptized with water by John.

2. Anup, the Baptizer = John the Baptist.

3. Aan, a name of the divine scribe = John the
    divine scribe.

4. Horus born in Annu, the place of bread = Jesus
    born in Bethlehem, the house of bread.

5. Horus the Good Shepherd with the crook upon his
    shoulders = Jesus the Good Shepherd with the lamb or
    kid upon his shoulder.

6. The Seven on board the boat with Horus = The
    seven fishers on board the boat with Jesus.

7. Horus as the Lamb = Jesus as the Lamb.

8. Horus as the Lion = Jesus as the Lion.

9. Horus identified with the Tat or Cross = Jesus
    identified with the Cross.

10. Horus of twelve years = Jesus of twelve years.

11. Horus made a man of thirty years in his baptism =
    Jesus made a man of thirty years in his baptism.

12. Horus the Krst = Jesus the Christ.

13. Horus the manifesting Son of God = Jesus the
    manifesting Son of God.

14. The trinity of Atum the Father, Horus the Son,
    and Ra the Holy Spirit = The trinity of the Father,
    Son and Holy Spirit.

15. The first Horus as a child of the Virgin, the
    second as the Son of Ra = Jesus as the Virgins child,
    the Christ as Son of the Father.

16. Horus the sower and Set the destroyer in the
    harvesting = Jesus the sower of the good seed and
    Satan the sower of tares.

17. Horus carried off by Set to the summit of Mount
    Hetep = Jesus spirited away by Satan into an
    exceedingly high mountain.

18. Set and Horus contending on the Mount = Jesus and
    Satan contending on the Mount.

19. The Star as the announcer of the child Horus =
    The Star in the East that indicated the birthplace of
    Jesus.

20. Hours the avenger = Jesus who brings the sword.

21. Horus as Iu-em-Hetep, who comes with peace =
    Jesus the bringer of peace.

22. Horus the afflicted one = Jesus the afflicted one.

23. Horus as the type of life eternal = Jesus the type of
        eternal life.

24. Horus as Iu-em-Hetep, the child teacher in the
    temple = The child Jesus as teacher in the temple.

25. The mummy bandage that was woven without seam
        =The vesture of Christ without a seam.

26. Twelve followers of Horus as Har-Khutti = Twelve
    followers of Jesus as the twelve disciples.

27. The revelation written down by Aan (Tehuti) the
    scribe of divine words = The revelation by John
    the divine.

28. The saluter Aani, who bears witness to the word
    of Ra and to the testimony of Horus = John who bears
    witness to the Word of God and the testimony of
    Jesus Christ.

29. The secret of the Mysteries revealed by Taht-Aan
    = The secret of the Mysteries made known by John.

30. Horus the Morning Star = Jesus the Morning Star.

31. Horus who gives the Morning Star to his followers
    = Jesus who gives the Morning Star to his followers.

32. The name of Ra on the head of the deceased = The
    name of the Father written on the forehead.

33. The Paradise of the Pole Star-Am-Khemen = The
    Holy City lighted by one luminary, that is neither the
    Sun nor the Moon = the Pole Star.

34. The Har-Seshu, or servants of Horus = The servants
    of Jesus Christ.

@ jcross22 

I know how you feel sometimes  you get scared b/cos everything you've been taught to be truth starts to crumble before your very eyes so you break out in a nervous laugh , You Christians claim the so called old testament is your foundation but It is totally in contradiction to the vactican created fake new testament. Go do your research Bro and quit defending a church system that could care less about you

@allmuslims , NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO STOP THE SPREADING OF GOSPEL ON EARTH EVEN YOUR SCHOLARS WERE AFRAID WHEN THE STATISTIC OF THOSE WHO CONVERT TO CHRISTIAN EVERY YEAR . NOTHING LESS THAN 6 MILLIONS IS MOVING OUT OF MUSLIMS IF YOU DOUBT ON THAT THEN GO TO SEARCH ENGINE AND GET THE FACT THERE FROM ISLAMIC SITES OKAY . PROOF ME WRONG AM WAITING

@abuzola,are u sure u can see.i was thinking that u are blind.can't u as moslem see your surah well.wait! Is your surah at your front or back.nope,it btw your legs,XD,  I told u that surahhhhh is useless and senseless.i question u that u are blind cos u have eyes to see but cannot see d foolishness of islam.have u not thought that let me search,see and think abt the contradictions of quran.can't u reason to see the false history of your religion.was mecca known as mecca b4.why is d place not in the west or north or south,lol,  Outward showing and publicity with pride are the stupid ways of islam.where u there to see if mohamMAD words were frm God or the devil. As far as am concerned,JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN.

@abuzola, STOP THAT POEM, IT'S JUST A POEM NOTHING MORE o le te le alfa

@ Collins
 your ignorance sure does preceed you, are you plain daft or is it your christainity dumbing your common sense down , Your words
Now pay very close attention!

The story of Horus is ancient African(Egyptian to be precise) Mythology which the Romans and Greeks under Alexander the Great stole from Egypt when they conquered ancient North Africa. They over the following centuries converted this myth to suit their own purposes,they eventually ratified and legitamized it under Emperor Constantine in 323-325 AD when christianity then became the official religion of Rome.

If your brain hasn't been deluded by christianity then you would understand that I don't worship Horus either as your response insinuiates, I worship The AlMighty Creator of the Heavens & Earth, The FATHER of Abraham, Yahtzak & Yaaqob, YAHAWAH ALLAHAYAM (YAHAWAH THE ALMIGHTY POWER)

Num 23:19   YAHAWAH is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1Sa 15:29  And also the Strength of Yisrayl will not lie nor relent. For AYAH (I AM) is not a man, that He should relent."

The origin of the Torah starts in Africa,From Genesis Read:


Gen 2:11   The name of the first [is] Pison: that [is] it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where [there is] gold; 


 Gen 2:12   And the gold of that land [is] good: there [is] bdellium and the onyx stone. 


 Gen 2:13   And the name of the second river [is] Gihon: the same [is] it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

NO European Nations are mentioned  from the start of your Bible, so it's time for you to get your head out of the white man's ass and get wisdom for yourself

Time wont permit me to do justice to this debate. Most importantly, its already been handled by folks who are adept at it. Yesralite , Og4luv- Props! These religious folks i believe would be disillusioned sooner or later if they are truthful to themselves. At least they seem consierabely intelligent so far.

Stop swimming in ignorance.simple question abt the bible and not history of rome or egypt."was the word horus mentioned any where in the bible?"