This Is Not Vista ! But You Will Not Believe It !

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customize ubuntu all you want, we wont switch over.

doesnt it speak volumes when you try to make one OS look like another? what was it they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

u choose to see what u want to see ,  u call it imitation / i call it customization ,  the user has the right to imitate if he wants,  so what if i can't afford a vista os or i don't have a system with the required hardware ,  does that mean i don't have the right to give my system a say mac look or say vista look ,  canonical the parent company of Ubuntu didnt design ubuntu to look like vista ,  noo but there didnt prevent a user who so wishes , 

 And yes u are right i guess MS sincerely admire the security environment of unix soooo much that we just when and implemented it on vista ,  although i most say that he made a poor job at it ,   

believe me i don't want linux to take over the world ,  that would mean ubuntu  and linux would become mainstream,  and i don't want that i want my os to be exclusive , but i don't think i will be able to help it for long ,  already linux has taken over the server market,it has taken over the embedded market,it has taken over the animation market ,  most businesses now are moving their systems to linux,  even in Nigeria most banks are starting to use linux ,  atm machines,flight entertainment systems,mobile fones,  it is predicted that by 2012 60% of mobile platform would run linux hope u have heard of android,
so what is left ohhh yeah the desktop ,  it hasnt happened yet but with dell starting to ship ubunt,hp suse,accer linspire , and other hardware ventures falling over themselves to ship linux ,  yes we are not there yet but with asus revolutionary eepc ultra light pc becoming a best seller even though it came shipped with linux xandos ,  that didnt stop people buying over 6million copies in less than a month ,  yes we are not there yet but with linux systems all sold out when it was put out for sale in uk's biggest ratail chain ,  but then we are not there yet ,  even if ubuntu is sooo user friendly that even my babe prefers it to vista and begged me to install it on is system ,  and i get calls everyday from people who wants ubuntu ,,   all i can say is that it wont be long before my nightmare comes to past and ubuntu becomes mainstream and takes over the world   



mahn how can linux steal sumtin that is closed source ,  that is called copy right infringement and the last time i checked  that is not a thing a judge of law would be happy about ,   we didnt steal anything from windows oh ,  we developed our own things from the scratch and who say MS has the patent on user interface ,  linux is still mainly command line based ,  a GUI was just written for it using the xorg as the gui server ,  in what way is the xorg stolen from windows ,  mahn go and do your research and u will see that MS stole its gui from mac   and mac is A TYPE OF UNIX

windows stole GUI from mac? that seems to imply that apple pioneered GUI. hell no, the X Window System was a result of research at MIT and forms the root of subsequent GUI projects. the first gui on a computer was by xerox in the palo alto research center (computers 101), the X.org you speak of (not xorg) is also based on the X project, so in essence MIT and Xerox had their reseach stolen by others if we prefer to see it that way.

linux server is better and free? right! so i guess a $10,000 price tag of the mainframe version of Linux distributed by SuSe (as offered to guide One Insurance) qualifies as free then.  http://www.forbes.com/2003/06/16/cx_ld_0616linux.html


i have used unix way back,  i have linux on a virtual machine, and a dual boot on another workstation and im pretty comfortable aptgetting and sudoing around linux, and i do gaze at source codes.

but only when i need to be extra geeky.

 for the most part my everyday use of a computer requires tools and resources readily available on windows than on linux. yes windows command shell is a joke from an admin point of view, but we both know the average user ( which is most everybody) hardly trucks with command prompts. look around you and you see the demography of users is slanted towadrs everyday productivity with software suites such as office, works, corel and adobe. the rest are into entertainment and media. the tools and the user base are predominatly windows based.

that makes linux a niche segment, and that makes it second to windows.

mac os x is the most sophisticated OS around, and its as easy to use as hell (even though its a type of unix as you point out, thanks to the machBSD kernel) but still it hasnt won over the world. the user base comfortable with windows (with all its bugs) ensures a preponderence of software for the windows platform, and this influences a sort of loyalty. microsoft doesnt have a gun on anyones temple forcing us to kowtow: its just that windows already serves majority of the worlds needs, and this majority can live with the occasional bug and crash.

my biggest problem with linux is the lack of standard, installing programs can vary from distro to distro, and somethings still require digging into the shell. ease of use is defeated in this scenario, and the world has outgrown the geek mentality of old. theres a reason the iphone is so beloved: ease of use.

linux embedded will go the way of windows mobile, although google android has promise. but android is not really an OS, is it?

if in this forum we get cries for help over soemtimes laughable issues, imagine people dealing with linux and you telling them to chmod and apmd-c etc to fix a problem (ok  im exaggerating a little) but you get the point. people buy a car to go from point A to B, not because one allows them more flexibility to tinker with the engine than the other.

windows has grown, vista has as much security as linux, and is a lot more fun to use.

you hardly see people arguing heatedly over win xp and vista, but there are as many linux factions as there are distros, all flaming each other whether redhat is better than suse better than debian better than slackware better than whatever else you have out there.

phew. im exhausted.

Yea yea its no big deal. . .
I can do it as well. . . . not easy though but i can do it 

very fine, but you don't really ubuntu to do this, you can get something similar with window blinds and object dock

Why do people always naively assume that just  because you use linux, that automatically makes you a techie? And that just because you use windows, you are never one.

Changing your desktop layout, display preferences, switching between desktops from gnome to kde to whatever, running some 3rd party apps to give you a 3d desktop doesn't exactly makes one a techie. Please get it right, using linux does not automatically confers the techie status no more than using windows.


Please do remember to back up claims like these with credible sources. IDC or Gartner if you know what I mean.

I really don't want to be drawn up into a windows-linux-mac-unix argument here. I've used and supported windows, linux and unix for a while now and it really beats me when so called armchair techies won't let us hear word about linux. Right here in the UK at least in all the places i've been contracting for the past 8 years (and believe me I've gone round most of the big guns - EDS, Accenture, CSC, Serco, Fujistu, IBM Global, Steria, HP Technical, Siemens on massive enterprise projects) linux still falls far behind Unix and Windows in terms of deployment.

If you can change your linux desktop to look like something from out of space or a theme from matrix, good for you. Be happy and live with it. Doesn't always have to be a my-linux-is-better-than-your-windows thing, that's getting real boring and seriously played out.

From where in my post did i say that am a techie bcus i use linux , or that linux user are techie or thatlinux makes u a techie , mahn do u read at all ,  ?

did u read the post ,  I SAID I POSTED IT TO MAKE LINUX USERS KNOW HOW FLEXIBLE THE GNOME DESKTOP IS ,  THE POST WAS MEANT FOR MY FELLOW LINUX USERS ,  AND YES SWITCHING DESKTOP ON LINUX IS SOO EASY THAT MY GRANDMOTHER CAN DO IT ,  AND I TELL PPLE THAT THE FACT THAT I CAN DOESNT MAKE ME A GURU ,  AND WHERE DID You READ THAT 3RD PARTY APPS GIVE You THE 3D EFFECT ON LINUX ,  NOW You SHOULD READ AND RESEARCH B4 You POST ,  MOST TIMES I USE UNIX AND LINUX INTERCHANGEABLY I KNOW UNIX IS NOT LINUX BUT LINUX IS A TYPE OF UNIS JUST LIKE SOLARIS AND BSD THERE ARE ALL TYPES OF LINUX ,  MAN READ B4 You POST , 
AGAIN I DIDNT START THE LINUX WINDOWS THING ,  ALL I DID WAS PASTED SOME SHOTS THAT You CAN MOD GNOME TO LOOK LIKE VISTA ,  ABI IS IT NOW A SIN TO MOD MY DESKTOP ,  I USE LINUX AND AM HAPPY WITH IT ,  BUT THAT DONT MEAN I TRY TO FORCE IT DOWN PPLES THROATS ABI CANT A MAN POST SOMETHING ABOUT LINUX WITHOUT HIM BEING FLAMED ,  IF  THINGS WERE REVERSED AND IT WAS A WINDOWS DESKTOP THAT I MADE TO LOOK LIKE MAC  OH I ONCE DID THAT HERE AND NON OF You CAN SHOUTING ME DOWN ,  THE PROBLEM IS NOT ME ,  ITS You ,  You CANT STAND TO SEE SOME ONE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT You USE ,  MAYBE IT FREAKS You OUT OR SOMETHING , 

i didnt intent to take personal jibes at u just found is strange that u would choose an innocent post about a customization of my desktop to direct    ,  but its nice that u cleared things up ,  about the linux thing i must confess i use the word Linux loosly bcus scratch the surface to the kernel and it all unix and even with that my point was in comparism to windows that linux is doing better than windows in the in the server market ,  and u are right ubuntu desktop is for home users not for Business althoug there is a server edition which is not doing badly yet must business prefer to stick with known names like redhat

thanks u h my brother , we all love to Mod ,  and when someone  mods his linux based desktop to look like vista he is hounded , its one thing to make xp look like vista ,  but when i did the same to my gnome desktop i felt i should share , 

to pioneer means   to take part in the early development of; to break ground
 in; to invent or originate.but it does not exclusively mean to originate ,  bla bla might have originated the gui ,  but apple has u have said implemented it on a home computer and Innovated a new pointing device to go with it , 






 mehn u window user must really feel cool with yourself oh ,  so gnome and KDE were modeled after windows abi ,  yeah maybe KDE desktop environment was modeled to look like the windows desktop ,  and the reason is to give a choice to people who would like their desktop to have a window look and that is the cool thing about Linux u will always have a choice , we have over 10 different desktop environments in Linux ,and each has a distinct look which appeal to its users,  KDE is for people who want to have a window looking desktop ,  enlightenments is for people who what something  radically different I.e a desktop without tastbars just plain  animated desktop and docks  and all u have to do is right click and u see the menu ,  there is flubox,openbox,blackbox,icewm,xfce,gnome, etc each one created to serve a purpose or to meets some users needs   ,  look at gnome,  does windows have 2 panels,  are they files arranged the way there are in gnome - Application-Places-System , ,  like the one on windows,  oh so if something has a desktop with wallpapers. a place called home and documents ,  right clicking and the use of mouse then that thing is copying windows  abi ,  so why didnt windows go to court for patent violations, 


My Gnome DE






  ,  and man how the hell did u get that idea that GUI was introduced to linux to convert windows users    ,  u do have some funny ideas about your OS ,  the GUI was introduced has part of efforts to bring Linux to the desktop ,  before Linux  was mainly used in servers and embedded in machines which didnt require a GUI ,  in fact the the Linux OS is still mainly command line based and the X server was written  on it to bring drag and drop point and click to Linux, but the primary goal was to make Linux venture into the desktop and to be applicable for day to day home use of running your computer ,  Linux has never made it its obj to convert window users ,  from inception it has always been to make alternatives to Unix infact windows was not even in the frame of mind of Linus  Thorvald  .Linux then became soo good that people started to see it as an option available for those who want something other than windows or mac ,  bcus for truth be told not many people can afford to use windows or mac,  both are very expensive to use ,  ordinary an mp3 converter cost nothing less than $50 convert that to naira ,  u would know that its not easy to use window if u are a xtain or u don't want to steal software or u want something stable and secured OS,  but most importantly something that is open source and free to share ,  without restriction ,  i wonder who told u Linus Thorvald built the kernel to convert all windows users to its OS,  even a few of linux programs have been ported to windows ,firefox,blender,vlc,pidgin, open office are some of the few linux apps that have been ported to windows ,  even though windows don't replicate the gesture  to linux ,  so who wishes to convert who



Chai u sha !    u ought to have taken my adverse seriously    ,  the one about updating your knowledge of Linux which is really stone age    , the ndiswrapper  which u talked about  is used in implementing Windows kernel API and Network Driver Interface Specification API within Linux kernel. A Windows driver for wireless network card is then linked to this implementation so that the driver runs natively, as though it is in Windows, without binary emulation.this happens were the vendor did not release hardware specs or driver for Linux, 

 installation and configuration of  ndiswrapper can be done by GUI  to install just just open synaptic search for ndiswrapper mark it ,  u can also mark ndisgtk its GUI apply  and synaptic would then download and install  configure it using the gui tool ,  if u want me to give u a full tutor , That is if u use Ubuntu ,  u wont open a terminal , 










 i edit grub a lot i didn't have to edit manu.lst ,  there are two gui tool for that ,  one is called StartUpManager ,  its in synaptic and with it u can edit grub all u want , the other is called qgrub editor (u can download it from www.getdeb.net )and with it u can edit anything with grub without knowing  how to open console , 



save mode is CLI but then isnt that the point ,  like i said before Linux is basically cmd based ,  and the X server is just sitting on top the cmd line to gave a gui interpretation to commands ,  going into save mode in Linux means u want to use the pure Linux has it is ,  and u want to do so has root,  so why should i need a gui when i want to Log into console has root ,  and yes u can use safe mode in a GUI way its called fail-gnome mode on the gnome desktop and its an option available in your login screen  , its just that u can either log into cli has root or use the fail gnome option which would log u into gnome using the right screen resolution , 
but then isnt that the way it is on windows window also gives u the option to save mode through the CLI , or GUI  except of cause your screen reso would be bigger than it actually is      ,  but tell me how many average user like can successively log into save mode on windows to fix a problem ,  how many even know how to log into save mode , 



fine not all things can be done using GUI on linux ,  but those things that require exclusive knowledge of Cmd are things that a average user don't do on their computers abi how many average user install mysql, or need to configure apache or php on their systems ,  or use bash * what ever that means ,   it 
 is open secret that the real power of Linux is command line but that don't mean that the  GUI is handicapped  it definitely not the GUI of linux is more sophisticated and powerfu productive and easy to use  than anything u can ever get on windows and is capable of a lot of things specially and importantly it is more than adequate for day to day home use especially for the average user  things that average users need like listen to music, play dvds,browse,edit video and so much more ,



 
wrong again  ,  although The Man  loves to think that the open source community is out to get 'em,  the truth is that open source is lnot concerned about   Him at all ,  the goal of the Open source foundation is to allow programmers share codes and ideas which would lead to better improvements of programs and enhance and advance the study of computer RICHARD STALLMAN  founded  the GNU foundation in 1984 as a reaction to the increasing commercialization of computer software. Whereas once all programmers had shared ideas and program code, the trend in the 1980s was toward proprietary, non shared code, as well as legal contracts, which forced programmers to keep secrets from one another.  he introduces the concept of copyleft and is opposed to the legal concept of
copyright, which attempts to limit the freedom of individuals when using a piece of software (or any other creative work). Nowadays, the concept of copyleft has been applied to literature, music, and other arts in an attempt to avoid restricting who can and cannot access various items, as well as to encourage a collaborative working environment.the same was the reason Thorvald wrote the linux kernel as a clone to unix which as at that time was becoming commercialized ,  so my window friend Open source or linux has nothing to do with MS neither is it a “ a sort of rebellious cause against The Man”   


 
 

security
stability
flexibility
free
highly customizable
surrounded by an army of community members
I have all the apps I need in one package manager and free to use .  no going from one site to the other looking for one software or the other ,
updating is dead easy and all the software installed on your systems including 3rd party all updated true the update manager ,  imagine the update manager in windows notifying u when the latest adobe photoshop is available , mahn I can't say it all just   its just too much,



 
let me start by saying that u have a right to what u use and I respect that ,  use what works for u ,  no problem ,  now let me tell u why I can't last a second on windows desktop

1- Restriction,  no not the licensing restriction ok that one too,  but the real restriction that am talking about is the fact that I can't make my system look just like I want it ,  I am very particular about looks feel and giving my computer a look that reflect who I am,  I believe that I computer says a lot about its owner,  it must  reflect my mood, my passion,  how I like things to be arraigned ,  on windows I can't do all this things because all I have is a desktop that was not made to be altered so I have to stare at the same desktop all day long ,  even though it is mine yet I can't change it ,  ok if I install 3rd party apps I would be able to maybe change the theme to some aspect of the look and this things cost money and eat more of the systems resources ,  yeah u can hack windows to mod it to your taste but the lisence u got from MS makes that illegal and criminal , even then doing such a thing would mean disabling windows update , which is not a good option,  on Ubuntu I have KDE,GNOME, and ENLIGHTENMENT installed ,  and I log into which ever DE suit my mood ,  I have 3 file managers one of which is the powerful all in one file manager called konqouror which allows me to open directories in taps  and which also is  web browser i can be in my home type www.google.com and whala konqouror becomes a browser  , I have pcman a very light File manager which can also open in tabs ,  in windows all I have is the windows explorer ,  if anything happens to the windows explorer and it hangs all your system would hang,  but if ever nautilus the default file manager for gnome hangs I can easily force close it and open another file manager ,  my system wont even burge

2- I cants do stuffs like copy an iso from a cd or burn an iso without installing a 3rd party nero can burn iso but it can't extract an iso from a cd ,  I get to keep iso a lot that is the best way I preserve a cd/dvd
on linux I can even mount the iso an access the files it contains as if it where a folder ,  ,  if i put my cursor on an mp3 file it ,  its called preview in gnome . plays the file without opening a music player,  there are many things about linux that non users would never understand,

3-visualization is a breeze becus the home os uses very little system resources to run ,  (idle mode on ubuntu with compiz and those other amazing desktop effects on is blw 200mb and 300mb) on vista its 800mb so how can I virtualize another os when my  home OS alone  uses 60% of my ram just to run how much would be left for the guest ,

4 mulitmedia- on ubuntu once u have all the codec installed which can be done with a line of cmd ,  just copy and paste , or install from synaptics by searching and marking each package for install even if u don't do this and u try to play a file a notice would come up prompting u to download the necessary codec needed to play the file ,  once this is done u will be able to play any format , aac,mp3,wma,wav,rm,fly,avi,wmv,mp4 that,vob, any format at all would be playable on any video or music app u have in linux VLC  is the best player in the world it plays anything u throw at it,  unlike in windows where u need WMP to play wma,  and itunes to play aac ,  connect and ipod to Ubuntu and automatically it is detected  and u are ready to snyc , amarok the must sophisticated music player in the world can sync , zen,ipod,zune,even china mp3 and I would update your
msger status to the song u are playing while automatically downloading its album arts from amazon and song lyrics from google. anif u go to the artist tab u will see every infor about the artist downloaded from wikipidia   cool eh    ,

and desktop effect which kills anything u can ever get on windows,  using have the resources ,  and the fact that my system is just as fast has the first time I installed it even though I have over 2000 software installed ,  the is not slow down no lagging,  what so ever ,  i can put on my system for 24 hours ( i use to do that when i still have a home internet connection, and it doesnt lag one bit, 

what else can I say ,  I installed ubuntu on my system and all the drivers where installed by default even my multimedia shortcut keys  , and that is sony vaio that didnt make its drivers open ,  but there worked through reverse engineering on Ubuntu ,  and I use a very modern system that can with the recent nvidia 8 series cards
, till to 2mro I couldnt downgrade my vista to xp bcus sony didnt release the xp driver of my system ,  but ubuntu worked out of the box on it , xp wouldnt even detect my hard drive,  and my webcam works better and is more clearer on linux than on vista ,  mahn I can go on and on 


 


yes all what I have on linux are very good and in fact sometimes better than what is available on windows even commercially,  eg I use k3b for burning needs ,  and I prefer it to nero







 ,  its faster and has a lot of features u can make vcd/dvd videos with it,  it support session burning,it can copy a disk as an iso etc yet it is free ,  what about gimp ,  I prefer it to the $400 photoshop ,  at least I get to do all I need with it  and its free ,  what about open office ,  for me it is better than your £300 office 2007 and it can even export your documents as a pdf ,  and it is free  cinepaint was used in the making of transformers (or is it incredible hulk on not sure)  so it most be that good ,  and it is free what about blender although am not into 3d modeling but i heard its a cool tool too, what about the GNU Financial Management suit what about , gparted,  which does a better job than partition magic , like I said before u have to either be very rich or be a pirate to use windows,  bcus even a wallpaper changer or common mp3 encoder cost money in windows, not to talk of some over priced suit which made to look very eye catchy but which have better free and open source alternative have u used hydrogen or LMMs there are very good apps for creating sounds that would give fruity loops a run for its money,  I don't have the money to pay  in other to have a pleasant experience in windows ,  and I can't be running from one underground warez to another looking for cracks  and serials and getting infected with viruses in the process ,  I hate AV suits and their constant nag about updates , so for me its Linux all the way.



Open Source tools on ubuntu





  hmmm thats a new one ,  thanks for the enlightenment,  but u agree that Linux is at its heart





I prefer MS to apple,  and I will never use / have never used anything apple,  its systems are always very expensive I once saw one 80gb, 512mb running on some weird processor like that costing 180k in C village  *a laptop ,  all for what ,  to buy an OS that would lock u down to one hardware,  look at the iphone cool no doubt but it has been so locked down that u can't even use a ring tone except u buy one from apple,  to install apps u have to jailbreak the bitch ,  and that would mean u can't update your firmware ,  I don't want  any form of lock when I buy a pc or hardware ,it should be mine ,  and I should have ,  am looking forward to the open moko project which is at its beta  stage but when finished would be even better than the iphone plus its o
pen source and u will be able to install any mobile based linux os on it e.g u can even install android on it and u can install open moko on an andriod phone ,  u can even dual boot both ,  yeah on your phone ,  even the ubuntu phone project managed by nokia is very promising 

oya bigrovar the oppression don too much  , where the guide?
make i just suggest some topics wey go dey the guide.

>migrating from windows to linux
>tweaking the linux desktop
>the linux alternative to win32 apps

lol, u can make it a book, rofl. make i suggest ISBN? hehe

aight waiting for the guide o.

@Ralvy
no mind them, u don't know wht it feels like to be stuck with windoof XP and its derivatives.

haba! he never said that, make una no just fight sha.