African Americans Vs Africans, Who Is To Be Blamed For This Dissension?

@ Ndipe




Ndipe, I am a black American. I was born here and raised here. I love America, my experiences here have been all good. I don't want for nothing and I have a loving and supporting family. Even if I did go to Africa or any where else to stay for a while, my home Would be America and eventually I would miss home because that is where my family is, the people I know, the people I relate to.

You got it wrong, Black American people do have a place to call home. Our ancestors were removed from Africa a long time ago so we have gotten use to America. That is the problem. Africans think that black Americans are some kind of orphan or some kind of unwanted people. Black Americans can pick this up weather you guys tell us with your mouth or not. We feel it in your arrogance. I heard someone say that African americans are combative, if they are it is because they have some pride and they don't have to accept being disrespected. But, in that case africans are the same, they don't take to being disrespected either, especially if they are on their territory, Africa. It is not fare for an African to be reaping the benefits African Americans fought for and then to be speaking of African Americans as if they are barbaric, homless and just plain sensless. I am not saying that you were doing this but what I am saying is this is what is percieved by some African Americans about Africans when they make such comments.

That is like an African American going to Africa with his riches and treating Africans as if they are peasants in their own country. Some Africans have even said that when African Americans complain about America, they should leave the white mans land and stop living off of him. First of America is not the white mans land, the white man stole it from the Native Americans and he used our ancestors for over 300 years, free labor, to build America. Also, we don't live off of the white man. African Americans work hard. So, if we complain, we can do that and that is no ones business. It is no different from Nigerans complaining about the corrupt government. African Americans are not telling them to leave where they have lived all their life.     

You got it wrong. Keep in mind, we do have family's hear in America. Just because we don't do things the way you see fit, does not make you better than us nor us better than you. You have your African culture and traditions we have whatever we have left over from our African ancestral memory bank, and we have what we have gained while being in America, there is nothing wrong with that. Life goes on and when we depart this earth to meet up with our ancestors, we won't be taking Africa nor America with us. Where we are going Africa and America won't won't be of any use.

I have a few Nigerian and Mali friends, one of my good firends is Yuroba, they say they miss home but they are only going to go back to visit. I also have three cousins who's mother, my aunt, is a Black American and their father is Igbo. They were born here and their life is here in America. Home is where your immediate family is, not where your ancestors once used to be. Now if you just so happen to be born and raised in the same place your ancestors lived, then that is where your home is but if you moved, you just moved and life goes on. If I left home (America) and I decided to come back, believe you me, Oakland California would be welcoming back with open arms.

Another issue,  I am not saying this about you, but I have over heard Africans saying that they taught African Americans how to play basket ball, how could that be? I have over heard Africans saying they taught black people everything they know about sports. Of course these are African males saying these things. I have to clear something up, Africans did not teach African Americans anything, were Africans here with Americans as they achieved spots in the NBA or as they played college ball? I don't think so. Now, black people are good in sports period but that ability is innate across the board for any black person who wishes to participate in sports. It seems though, that Africans particularly African men, they want to take credit for being the originals, but when an African American displays that he can be just as good if not better, African men want to put him down and take the credit for the ability's he obtained on his own. 

The myth that black Americans do not like Africans is a lie. Yes, you do have some ignorant black Americans who say they don't like Africans and you have some Africans who don't like black Americans. The thing is to be yourself but keep in mind especially you males. The Black male in America is a man with pride to. I don't care how Africans may believe the myth of the black American men are mixed up therefore not as strong, you got it wrong. All black men are strong. It does not matter that you were born and bred in Africa, that does not make you more physically stronger than an African American man nor him stronger than you. That stuff is all petty.

@ Ndipe



I am not sure of what it is you are tying to say in this instance, please break it down for me.

Also, I am chilled, my big problem though was your saying Black people are in some way envious of black Africans because they have a place to call home. My thing is, what makes you think African Americans don't have a place to call home? 

Chinani et al,

Even further than legacy or Alumni getting in. People get points added to them if they are from "rural" areas.

Rural in America is generally a code word for "white", as you know that "innercity" is like a code word for Black.

So while affirmative action can be seen as a race based program, the points given on the basis of one being "rural" that benefits whites who do not have the connections or legacy of a George Bush, can not be pointed to as a race based program.


Look at another example: Desegregation and Black teachers.

You can count on one hand the colleges with advanced teaching degres that allowed Black teachers to attend their white only colleges. 

White women teachers though were allowed to attend those colleges with advanced degrees. 

However because schools only required the first basic degrees to teach, even though restricted from the advanced degrees, Black teachers were allowed to teach.

After desegregation though, even though Black teachers were all promised that they would keep their jobs and move to the white schools and continue teaching Black children.

Something new happenned, suddenly, teachers unions and schools required the advanced degrees that they knew most Black teachers would not have.

A large number of Black teachers were let go immeadiately with the new idea that they were not as qualified as the white teachers.

Understand how deep a TRICK AND LIE this was on the nation as they pretended it was because the Black Teachers were not qualified for the jobs that they were not retained.

At the time of desegregation, Black teachers as a whole, tested HIGHER than white teachers, despite the white teachers having advanced degrees!

Outsiders come in and are fooled by words like: not qualified, that is why we do not let blacks do this. Or affirmative action is unfair to whites, that is why we want to stop it.

So they think AA must be bitter for stubbornly holding to the idea that it is racism and not believing their talk about 'not being qualified'.

So we get lots of speeches from outsiders that we just need to go to school and get qualified and stop complaining.

This despite the fact that Asians say they are faced with racism and Continental Africans themselves and Nigerians say they face racism.

Apparently, even though whites won't treat the supposed smartest people Asians fairly (asians complain about racism), and the next smartest people Nigerians fairly. (nigerians complain about racism).

Everybody assumes they are treating the slave descendants fairly and AA are just making up what happens to them.

LOL   

It's almost unbelievable that so many actually believe both of those things at the same time. 

Exactly. Smile.

I like that 'cow school'.

Chinani's note: Legacy preferences, that's what it's called. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preference

Think about it; an alumni privilege is something given to alumni -- not prospective students!

 i would say that  Africans have positive of Americans nay  Africam Americans before they step into America. Their post  views of African Americans are informed by  what they see around them while living America. As for African Americans like other Americans, they have  unfavourable views of Africans based on what they see on TV.  So everyday you live  in America, you have to always prove poeple wrong on some stereotypes they hold about you.  Most Africans who live in the US could not have imagined that there would be homeless people in the US where  as  most Americans think that Africans  still live on trees.

There is also the cultural factor. The average Nigerian has a percieved high sense of morality and anything below that high standard is frowned upon.

This kind of morality (right or wrong) is not one that the black american has any room for in his/her upbringing. This will probably make the average Nigerian American to think of the average black american as immoral and lacking in basic 'home training'. While this morality or lack of it does not determine good or bad, it will go a long way in making one person develop a sense of superiority over the other.

Quite a lot of black americans (in MY opinion) also tend to look down on african ways of doing things, probably because the western media makes them see such ways as 'primitive' or outdated and uncivilised. It is only natural that if you consider that some people are primitive and uncivilised, you should not try to identify with them.

i would biasley say that AAs are to blame.  Growing up here as a first generation american, my family were made fun of.  Calling me 'african booty scrather" and making fun of your name and please, let not your parents speak in their native language in front of them.  they would either look at u in disgust or make fun.  AAs did this.

When i proceeded to tell them they were african too, they would scream, 'no way!'   Now all of the sudden they want to be african and know where they came from.  No hate to my AA sisters and bros, but really, the cause of the divide started from the same prejudice they gave to us that was given to them by whites.

Thief,



Then Nairaland must be a rare place after all. In my first post in this thread.

I stated that the division was started by African Americans who treated Africans badly because of cultural differences, etc. (pp)

At least 2 AA came up and thanked me for the post. Not the slightest bit of denial. As you claim.


Isn't that like from the 1960's?

I still see kente cloth Dru. My mom even sells to those delusional wannabes at times when she gets back from her yearly trips to Nigeria.

Lol in fact I remember an episode of top model when Tyra expected Ya Ya to pick some retarded kente cloth hat because she (YaYa) made it obvious on how much she was very into African culture then YaYa went on a sermon on how pretentious it is and all that then Tyra got offended

Loved that girl 

it started in the 60s, then in the 80s (when i was growing up) AAs forgot they came from Africa.  The it came back in full force in the 90s!!  kente cloths and all!

going off the topic a bit, this truly shows that everyone has the potential for racism. And i don;t mean the  racism that a black person may have towards a white person because they were degraded and thus hate all people from that race .  I mean the real racism that comes from looking down at someone merely b/c of their ethnicity.  sadly black people are really good at doing this, even Africans in particular.  I prevously started a post about how Ethiopians have inferiority views towards the rest of sub- sahara Africa because they felt their features, hair, etc. made them better than us. 

Which is a good example of part of the problem among Black People.

Knowing for sure if the rumors that so and so said so and so about my family, is what is taking place.

We some talking mother phuckers, if nothing else.

Lol, evidence of this, please? and not from some biased Black american either

it's amusing because I remember the black vs jew clashes in Brooklyn in the late 80s/early 90s

http://www.oilempire.us/cointelpro.html

Those are white people, who magically in your mind are bias free.  


I remember when Whites clashed with Blacks following Rodney King's beating out in L.A., following the killing of blacks in Detroit, in Cincinatti, etc, etc.

The clash's between the Jewish and Black communities in New York were no different.  A Black person was killed or done wrong and Blacks went off.

Only when the "white" person is Jewish is the "clash" seen as something different than all of the other clashes that have happenned in America between the various types of white people and Blacks.

925,

I know a Jewish lady who was raped by a Blackman and kept the Black Baby. Does that mean that Jewish folks do love Black people?

Also look at the Black Jews who are brought to Israel.

Even African American Jews live in Israel. 2000 African Americans adopted the Jewish religion and went to Israel in the 1960's.

Is that proof of Jewish love for Black folks?

Well you are right, talking about individual experiences.