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redsun (m)
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China almost lost their ancestoral civilization and common sense with the british systematically drugging them with opium and indoctrinations,but for the daring move of men like chairman mao they would have still been in a limbo like africa today.
The foundation of china today is the sacrifices of the past,there is always a price tag,it could be you,bimbo.I no wan die,i wan marry,i no get pickin,i wan build house,i wan chop food,my papa dey for house,i wan enjoy,blackman's dream.Legendary Fela.
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Kobojunkie
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You should have asked what Mao has to do with this. We are speaking of what is currently happening in Zimbabwe and this is already being turned into a history lesson on china?? Worse, we are getting more RACIST rhetoric injected into this when we are speaking of election rigging and bullying??
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texazzpete (m)
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@redsun
You sound like someone who has been forcibly indoctrinated, like someone who's taken a 'holiday' in one of Mao's 'correctional and re-educational' camps.
Too much canned rhetoric, too little intelligent reasoning.
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redsun (m)
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The case of mao is about reflection,weigh the odds,compare and contrast and see what it could take for a fundamental change to come.
I don't believe in heros but i relate.reality is universal,it should apply to all,unless of course one is distorted,fixed minds,like machines.Do to others what you want others to do to you.
It is sad.
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redsun (m)
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Consider imf and world world contributions to zimbabwe woes,find out.This people are jokes,they don't even understand the forces behind what is going on in zimbabwe,it is like weeding from the middle leaving the roots and it is a fundamental african problem,most people don't know what the problem is,they think it is about food,living deads,what is the point living if you can't live.
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redsun (m)
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Nobody is before me,but everybody is with me.The beginning and the end,so goes with every body.
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bawomolo (m)
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The case of mao is about reflection,weigh the odds,compare and contrast and see what it could take for a fundamental change to come. yeah right, the culture revolution was a colossal failure. |
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redsun (m)
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The end justifies the means.
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Eziachi
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Redsun,
It funny you lived happily with a food on your table in a country that was well runned and talking from your ass. What has China and Moa got to do with another African dictator starving his people? If Moa is your hero, we then need to apologise to Hitler.
Please leave England today and move straight to Zimbabwe, where a loaf of bread cost 45 million dollars. God help African with people of your mental state.
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Kobojunkie
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Redsun,
It funny you lived happily with a food on your table in a country that was well runned and talking from your ass. What has China and Moa got to do with another African dictator starving his people? If Moa is your hero, we then need to apologise to Hitler.
Please leave England today and move straight to Zimbabwe, where a loaf of bread cost 45 million dollars. God help African with people of your mental state.
A resounding amen to that prayer ooO!!!! It is that mentality that continues to place africa where it is today, people to stuck in their deluded idea of the past to consider that they may actually benefit more if they spent all that time working on a better future. |
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Sky Blue
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@redsun yes africa was raped, pillaged, etc, yes there was and still are injustices caused by outside forces, i will not take away from the validity of that arguement because it is concrete. But the simple truth is this, we are where we are and our future is in our hands. So what are we going to do about it? If your answer is continue to complain and focus on the past and use it as a guiding beacon to our future then what exactly do you think that will accomplish? Is it going to develop the country and the continent for us? Is it going to curb corruption? Is it going to provide security and infrastructure? Is it going to develop and build the economy? What exactly is this focus on the past going to achieve? We s can aknowledge the past without turning it into our future. Last time i checked, and using Nigeria as an example, the people holding us in slavery are our so called leaders, keeping the masses slaves to poverty and corruption. So Mugabe should stay in power just so that Africa won't 'lose face'? Isn't that just plain selfishness and inconsiderate to the masses of people suffering under Mugabe? So the majority who voted not to have Mugabe in power should be ignored? What exactly is your arguement here cause i don't get it and i am asking genuinely. And what on earth does Mao have to do with a dictator in Zimbabwe who has destroyed his country's economy and is unwanted by the people?
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redsun (m)
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I am not saying mugabe is a saint,he started a good course that he and his compartriots probably did not have enough discipline to carry out, couple with external pressure,there should have been betters ways to carry out the land allocation policies and follow ups,but because of the rooted corruption problem in african system and short sighted among the people the whole policy becomes shaky and onesided again.
Even the opposition party presently is heavily divided,same people,same problems,still not knowing what they to do.I wonder what they are going to do with the already started land reforms if they come in?whether they are going to give it back to the white farmers or evenly distribute this land to people who can make proper use of it,while the state and the people benefits evenly through diffrent reasonable taxes andresponsibilities.
The problem of zimbabwe is typical of african countries,the goverment of nigeria is commiting more atrocities to its people than what mugabe is doing,but the only diffrence is that nigerian have no fundamental land issue,almost every nigerian have a rural background with family lands, everybody is entitle to a farm land,if they ask for,thus you have subsistence farming,majority of nigerians feed themselves,not the goverment or big commercial farmers.
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Kobojunkie
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I am not saying mugabe is a saint,he started a good course that he and his compartriots probably did not have enough discipline to carry out, couple with external pressure,there should have been betters ways to carry out the land allocation policies and follow ups,but because of the rooted corruption problem in african system and short sighted among the people the whole policy becomes shaky and onesided again.
Even the opposition party presently is heavily divided,same people,same problems,still not knowing what they to do.I wonder what they are going to do with the already started land reforms if they come in?whether they are going to give it back to the white farmers or evenly distribute this land to people who can make proper use of it,while the state and the people benefits evenly through diffrent reasonable taxes andresponsibilities.
The problem of zimbabwe is typical of african countries,the goverment of nigeria is commiting more atrocities to its people than what mugabe is doing,but the only diffrence is that nigerian have no fundamental land issue,almost every nigerian have a rural background with family lands, everybody is entitle to a farm land,if you ask for,thus you subsistence farming,majority of nigerians feed themselves,not the goverment or big commercial farmers.
I see you have decided to completely change tunes, Interesting development!!!  |
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texazzpete (m)
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Different tune, yet still discordant notes  At least RichyBlack's ideological rants are backed by a measure of intelligence. This guy on the other hand. . . |
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Blatant
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either this thread is a joke, or your very silly, or just plain stupid.
how can u assume that zimbabwe does not have roads? do u even know anything about zimbabwe, what western media pictures are you on about, because the ones i'm seeing are perfectly fine.
Rant over An unfortunate rant to be ignored |
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Blatant
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@Blatant
That there are legitimate issues to be resolved regarding land ownership is undeniable.However,it will be the height of gullibility to believe that this man who is approaching close to 3 decades in power is motivated merely by a desire to resolve this issue.
When he is handing out choice farms to his family and cronies,is that all part of the land redistribution programme? He has enough money stashed away in foreign bank accounts to have carried out the land reforms a long time ago.
What you have is a man seeking to exploit genuine grievances for selfish purposes to the detriment of his people.
@blue sky
I was stunned by Blatant's initial post.Anybody watching TV programmes on Zimbabwe over the past 7 years would know that many parts of Zimbabwe look like any modern Western city.If he had simply said he hadn't seen such before, fair enough,but to claim that the Western media didn't show this is ludicrous . Please could you tell me exactly where I have tried to state that Mugabe is such a good guy I stated that I had never seen so much of Zimbabwe on the news and I stand by it. My colleagues are saying the same so it just cant be me. BTW, I watch news 24 religiously. I dont watch American channels and I have never researched into Zimbabwean politics so maybe that's why I have never seen such. Pwerhaps those of you who have been so interested as to go and serach for things on Zimbabwe have seen more of it than me and my colleagues. I NEVER had any vision of Zimbabwe with such roads till recently!!! |
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redsun (m)
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tezzaspete,your case is just one example of a fool's paradise,how can one begin to explain to you.
I will let you wallop in your ignorance,maybe someday you will see.
I stand by the policy but not the execution,how can it be properly done when they are africans like you?unless of course you are one of the occupiers.
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Kobojunkie
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Please could you tell me exactly where I have tried to state that Mugabe is such a good guy
I stated that I had never seen so much of Zimbabwe on the news and I stand by it. My colleagues are saying the same so it just can't be me. BTW, I watch news 24 religiously. I don't watch American channels and I have never researched into Zimbabwean politics so maybe that's why I have never seen such. Pwerhaps those of you who have been so interested as to go and serach for things on Zimbabwe have seen more of it than me and my colleagues.
I NEVER had any vision of Zimbabwe with such roads till recently!!!
Start with CNN for one. I watch CNN ( America) and CNN international, BBC, FOX, MSNBC from here and I can tell for sure that Zimbabwe has good roads and developed infrastructure, even as it has rural areas with farms and villages to show. If you watch CNN and claim to see what you see and I watch the same and see what I see, what does that mean to you??? That it is the media's fault or more the perception of the individual watching these programs?? |
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Eziachi
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Have you guys heard the latest from the beast of Harare? Him and his gang of thugs in ZANU-PF wants a recount. A recount in an election he prevented the result being published? Can you imargine a football team asking for a replay on a watch that is still on-going?
Well it's Africa isn't it? Where governments can build a navy base in a desert and still justifies it.
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Blatant
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Start with CNN for one. I watch CNN ( America) and CNN international, BBC, FOX, MSNBC from here and I can tell for sure that Zimbabwe has good roads and developed infrastructure, even as it has rural areas with farms and villages to show. If you watch CNN and claim to see what you see and I watch the same and see what I see, what does that mean to you??? That it is the media's fault or more the perception of the individual watching these programs??
Why should I watch CNN? I have CNN as part of my Sky package but we dont watch CNN in my family. I have stated a few times already that I watch BBC news. |
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Kobojunkie
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Why should I watch CNN? I have CNN as part of my Sky package but we don't watch CNN in my family. I have stated a few times already that I watch BBC news.
You do not want to watch CNN but you were quick to claim that the Western media is the problem , right??
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I was amazed to see clips of Zimbabwe in the last couple of days showing decent roads and vehicular transportation with people buying newspapers etc.
The pictures that the western media had hitherto presented to us of Zimbabwe had always been pictures of some dingy, dreary huts showing very old women who are always potrayed as hungry and suffering. The impression has always been projected of Zimbabweans all hungry looking and haggard. What I saw on TV yesterday is contrary to what I have seen for the last 7 years or thereabouts when the media has tried to let me know that Mugabe is evil.
The streets which were shown just reminded me of Alagomeji in Lagos when I was growing up.
Why did the media decide not to show realistics pictures/movies of Zimbabwe till they realised that the end is near for Mugabe?
How many times have you actually watched the BBC then?? Cause I have watched the same and even heard calls on the radio show "World Have your say" From Zimbabwe  |
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Blatant
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You do not want to watch CNN but you were quick to claim that the Western media is the problem , right?? How many times have you actually watched the BBC then?? Cause I have watched the same and even heard calls on the radio show "World Have your say" From Zimbabwe I watch the BBC daily and listen to channel 4 news almost daily. Is the BBC now African media??? BTW, I never said I listened to BBC radio programmes. |
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Kobojunkie
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I watch the BBC daily and listen to channel 4 news almost daily. Is the BBC now African media??? BTW, I never said I listened to BBC radio programmes.
I added the radio part to give you an idea of the scope you may actually be working with and how your argument is terribly flawed since it turns out you do not even watch over 90% of the western media but your claim is about the "Western media" being the problem. I watch BBC here myself and I have no problem with the pictures I see on there. I don't know what your channel 4 is. If you do not see nice pictures of Zimbabwe, then I suggest that instead of relying on the media to show you all the 1000 miles of Zimbabwe in just a couple of frames they have to show the news, you should go out there and do your own research to learn more about Zimbabwe and what it really has. Many people do not know of the Amish people living in America does not mean they do not exist. Infact there are even some americans who have little idea they do exist. That is why we need to learn to do research instead of relying on the media for our eduction and then assuming the media is conspiring against us when we do not get exactly what we want. |
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Tornadoz (m)
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you should go out there and do your own research to learn more about Zimbabwe and what it really has.
Am sure you did your own research. Great!! |
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Kobojunkie
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Am sure you did your own research.
Great!!
Definitely. Instead of going around to label others as the problem when it is clearly a problem of your own ineptitude, I say people spend more time doing their research and in this day and age actually go out there to ask questions. If you have never seen good pictures of Zimbabwe ask the BBC and channel 4 why and maybe they might actually confirm your claim or correct you if it is true. At least help cause change, not continue to complain as we do trying to claim the WEST is always conspiring against us. I mean I am all sick of the way we continue to blame the west yet we do not come up with solutions at the end. |
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Blatant
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I watch BBC here myself and I have no problem with the pictures I see on there. I don't know what your channel 4 is. If you do not see nice pictures of Zimbabwe, then I suggest that instead of relying on the media to show you all the 1000 miles of Zimbabwe in just a couple of frames they have to show the news, you should go out there and do your own research to learn more about Zimbabwe and what it really has.
I dont expect you to have any problem with the pictures you may see about anything negative with respect to Africans. I've met a few people like you in the past and I do get the impression that you'd rather be white. If I felt so strongly white or western-minded as you, I wont even be coming to relate with Nigerians the way you are doing. I wonder how many countries you have visited to do your own research. You rely on what you make of the things you see and I rely on what I make of the things I see |
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Kobojunkie
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Look, here is the problem here. You claim you watch the same channels I do here and I did verify this over the weeks with folks around the world. I found out that I watch the same CNN international channel, the same fox and NBC that some get and the same BBC international Channel. I even get African tv channels like AIT and some other southern ones here to watch. If I watch these and I know that Zimbabwe has roads, and you watch the same and you come off thinking Zimbabwe does not have roads. Don't you think this has more to do with perception here and maybe even less to do with reality???
Trying to attack my person is not going to bolster your side of the argument at all. I am saying exactly the same thing I have been saying to you from the beginning of this thread, maybe you need to check your self and make sure that you are not changing things out of your detest/dislike of the west here.
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romeo (m)
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BBC and CNN do not show anything good about Zimbabwe ever since the land issue came up. Infact before the land issue, Zimbabwe was never in the news and all of a sudden Zimbabwe was all over the news and on a daily basis with videos of empty shelves in supermarkets and that of inflation!!
The interests they are showing (CNN, BBC & The West) is not because they have the people of Zimbabwe at heart but because Mugabe gave their pride a sound whipping by taking those lands.
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romeo (m)
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Are we talking about opposition strong holds or the beauty of Zimbabwe?
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Kobojunkie
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uuummm, Opposition what? Strongholds of what??? The People shows Zimbabwe and if you listen to the reporter, I think it is clear what we see. |
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romeo (m)
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uuummm, Opposition what? Strongholds of what??? The People shows Zimbabwe and if you listen to the reporter, I think it is clear what we see. Inflation and lack of food!! exactly what i said before |
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