Should Nigeria Be Divided?

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MyTempID
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #608 on: June 08, 2008, 03:29 AM »

Quote from: vivaladiva on June 08, 2008, 12:33 AM
i believe a split will be in every ones interest
like i said lets collect like terms
at the moment nigeria=2a+3y+6x-10b(6z-(3f-11a))+9c- (-4b)-19t+4b 1/6x-14y+4q(7p-2g)-,

This is junk to me.  How does this validate your hypothesis?
Ok. After answering that question, answer this:  What do we make of kids born as a result of ethnic mixing. Are they to be separated too?
vivaladiva (f)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #609 on: June 08, 2008, 03:57 AM »

what does the law say in nigeria
are u from ur fathers or mothers state of origin
or are u from ur place of birth
or perharps from the place you have lived most of ur life
the current system is clearly not working
tis a case of weighing the costs and benefits of staying united or being divided
i personally feel the benefits of division outway the costs of division or the benefits of remaining unified
4 Him (m)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #610 on: June 08, 2008, 04:00 AM »

Quote from: MyTempID on June 08, 2008, 03:29 AM
This is junk to me. How does this validate your hypothesis?
Ok. After answering that question, answer this: What do we make of kids born as a result of ethnic mixing. Are they to be separated too?

hardly a problem, the kids go wherever they choose. There are children born in the US to non-citizens, they have a choice to either remain here or go to their parents native country.
MyTempID
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #611 on: June 08, 2008, 04:16 AM »

Quote from: 4 Him on June 08, 2008, 04:00 AM
hardly a problem, the kids go wherever they choose. There are children born in the US to non-citizens, they have a choice to either remain here or go to their parents native country.
It is a problem if the kids can't and don't want to choose.
MyTempID
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #612 on: June 08, 2008, 04:25 AM »

To elaborate more on that . . .

How do I suddenly choose between my mother and father?  Do I distinguish by nose, hairstyle, or shoe size? They're equally wonderful parents. If it happened, I would be living in limbo, all because of a stupid idea. It's hardly an easy feat to separate a "kid" from his or her parents, and assuming the kid is not ripe enough to make self decisions it could be much worse. 

I can attempt to justify the US. deportation of illegal parents by arguing that they put themselves in misery, and at a dead end because they failed to abide by the law, but even at that, it is still tragic.  How will division heal the nation?  The crooks will remain crooks wherever they go; and there are crooks in all ethnicities.
debosky (m)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #613 on: June 08, 2008, 04:28 AM »

so keep the country together because of some kids who may be confused? To keep them in a structure that will fail them? let them be in limbo for a period, some unpleasant consequences will definitely be felt from a break up, but we cannot stop it simply because of that.

Yugoslavia broke up into Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro - if they sorted out those issues of who was born where and all that, we can do the same.

The issue right now is that it will virtually not happen because the nation's federal structure has been altered to centralize power to prevent any part from breaking away. Highly unfortunate.
4 Him (m)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #614 on: June 08, 2008, 04:28 AM »

TempID, you're acting like there are no rules that recognise that one spouse can always apply to reside wherever the other spouse is. If you married a German today u'D be legally qualified to work and live in Germany so what difference would it be if ur igbo wife chose to join you yoruba man in Lagos?

Its not 1% as tough as you make it sound.
MyTempID
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #615 on: June 08, 2008, 04:47 AM »

The idea of division alone is a terrifying one to swallow. We are dealing with Nigerians here. That, and, this is an impossible scenario.  If we take the case where, as you say, a spouse can apply to reside where the other spouse is, which spouse decides to forego his/her land for the other spouses land?  It won't be an easy decision or a smoothsail transition, especially not when you have families to worry about. Moreso that if we then go into the said spouse's newly inhabited land, there could be more trouble brewing.  A Hotel-Rwanda-like conflict between tribes where a sighting of 1 or 2 igbo men in Hausaland will reek of chaos, as the whole idea of separation itself stems from tribalism or incompatibility between ethnics.   If the idea of separation instead stems from the government's flaws, then what we need is a better government and a better leader - democracy, not separation.
debosky (m)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #616 on: June 08, 2008, 04:51 AM »

democracy can lead to separation - people deciding they DON'T want to be together

Of course it will be tough, painful and all that, but does that mean we subject an entire generation to suffering because we don't want a few people to be uncomfortable? I don't think that is sufficient reason IMO. If Camerounians in Nigeria were not killed when the southern Cameroons decided they didn't want to be part of Nigeria, then I don't think this fear of killing should be allowed to dominate.

Afterall, people are getting killed now anyways. If the present union is unworkable, a so called 'better government' will not solve it.
MyTempID
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #617 on: June 08, 2008, 05:10 AM »

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so keep the country together because of some kids who may be confused? To keep them in a structure that will fail them? let them be in limbo for a period, some unpleasant consequences will definitely be felt from a break up, but we cannot stop it simply because of that.
I dare say you would reconsider your statements if your kids happened to be one of those confused.

No.Not just because of the lives of some of these 'confused' kids (which is definitely a compelling reason - unless I'm missing something here  Undecided), but because your plan is not even guaranteed to work.   There is too much complexity involved when you consider how long it will take to stabilize the new nation.  It is still a risk and I'm sure you're unsure when the risk of terminationg so many innocent lives will outweigh the unknown rewards.  The bloodshed would be too much to ponder.  You can argue that in an ideal situation there will be no bloodshed, but this is not an ideal situation, and as is always the case in issues like these, there is bloodshed. 

Quote from: debosky on June 08, 2008, 04:51 AM
democracy can lead to separation - people deciding they DON'T want to be together
How can the people decide they don't' want to be together when they don't even have a voice?  That's why I brought up the idea of a better government. Yes, democracy can lead to separation but the point is, separation does not automatically lead to om.

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Of course it will be tough, painful and all that, but does that mean we subject an entire generation to suffering because we don't want a few people to be uncomfortable?
It's as if you're putting a price on human life.  How few is a few?  Keep in mind we that we have invested almost 50 years of 'independence' into this country.  Over those 50 years, there has been too much interaction, too much inter-marriage, too much invested to simply cast away a certain generation of people as being "too few". I don't think that is sufficient reason IMO.
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Afterall, people are getting killed now anyways. If the present union is unworkable, a so called 'better government' will not solve it.
Then the question is why are people getting killed.  And, yes a better government can solve it; "better government" is, in this sense, perspective.  A great government IMO should listen to the voice of the people, and if the people apply common sense they can easily find a solution to this nightmare.  Failure of the government to look deeply into it and address it severely is a very valid reason as per why it's still going on, IMO.

If the killings are as a result of tribalism, then breaking away will only make it worse, especially when you consider that Nigeria has so many dozen ethnicities.  What makes you think more conflict would not breakout as a result of hateful tensions amongst the new mini-sects?
Besides, this is all speculative.  How can we be sure that it will work?  The consequences could most likely be as devastating as the horrors in recent Somalia.  Or even the eritrea-ethiopia split.


edit:
As an aside, I just decided to go over the thread and saw that this idea was anulled on the first page.
This whole thing is silly and will only result in a discussion ad infinitum over an insurmountable agenda.
TCUBE (m)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #618 on: June 08, 2008, 11:20 AM »

Nigeria as a country is not working.I am not suggesting division but i think we should have a regional government,
Imani (f)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #619 on: June 08, 2008, 05:11 PM »

So, those of you that support the breakup of Nigeria, How many countries should it be broken up into then?  Huh
stillwater (f)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #620 on: June 09, 2008, 04:44 AM »

Quote from: TCUBE on June 08, 2008, 11:20 AM
Nigeria as a country is not working.I am not suggesting division but i think we should have a regional government,

That's much better!!!!

Division my foot!!!!
ono (m)
Re: Should Nigeria Be Divided?
« #621 on: June 09, 2008, 11:47 AM »

Ha! This thread is still on?
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