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chinani (f)
Re: Akata?
« #64 on: June 13, 2006, 08:42 PM »

Quote from: Drusilla on June 13, 2006, 08:25 PM
Chinani,

It's just a post. So why the insults?
Well I should not have insulted you. I'm sorry. But then did you not insult me as well? I give has good as I get.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #65 on: June 13, 2006, 09:06 PM »

Chinani,

No need to apologize. You haven't done anything. No hard feelings, eh?

Really have a good day.
Nia
Re: Akata?
« #66 on: June 13, 2006, 10:23 PM »

@chinani and food4tot
Hmnn,
I am not sure my aim is to convince anyone of anything, but to point out why I disagree with some things. Like I stated earlier, the word "akata" is the name of an insect, I believe something similar to a bee. An insect that is seen as very aggressive and bothersome enough to draw a parallel with the way some Africans perceive Afro-Americans, which is as a very stubborn and aggressive group of people.


@food4tot
Another reason I disagree with the pepper picker angle is that even though this is the former term for someone who picks pepper, it would rarely be used in such a way. That is, someone who picks pepper for a living would not be called an aka-ata/akata, a less formal term would be used for such a person, (maybe "eni ton kata" or something along those lines) but the term escapes me right now.
chinani (f)
Re: Akata?
« #67 on: June 13, 2006, 10:33 PM »

Nia, thanks for answering back. I was just wondering. You don't have to convince me; I just want to learn the facts.

Drusilla, no harm, no foul. Have a nice day yourself. Grin
Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #68 on: June 13, 2006, 11:58 PM »

Nia,

Good observation. You do not survive 400 years in the whiteman's land without being stubborn and agressive.

Whether it is related to the insect or the animal, remains to be seen.

Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #69 on: June 13, 2006, 11:59 PM »

Chinani,

Smiley
Jduck13 (m)
Re: Akata?
« #70 on: June 14, 2006, 04:22 AM »

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Jakumo (m)
Re: Akata?
« #71 on: June 14, 2006, 06:38 AM »

What with all the warm assurances to African Americans that their African brethren actually mean no harm by labelling them "Akata" or "Ajereke",  I wouldn't be surprised if someone chimes in to try and rationalize the epithet "Coons" as applied against blacks in America, on the premise that a raccoon is actually a cute, cuddly and polite-mannered 4-legged vermin that is much prized and loved by red-neck trappers country-wide.
food4tot (f)
Re: Akata?
« #72 on: June 14, 2006, 09:46 AM »

is "agbero" derogatory.

That used to be bus conductor but not anymore

to break it up

a = (someone who, )
gba=( gathers/collects)
ero=(crowd)

But the use of the word is now different because bus conductors gradually turned touts. (people's point of view)

AGBERO = tout/thug

But even in english, is the word "thug" derrogative?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #73 on: June 14, 2006, 12:52 PM »

Jakumo,

It's okay. You can put the word Akata in your search engine and find all over the web that people have marked down it's derogatory meaning.

The thread was started by someone, who was unsure of the meaning but still cussed out a young African who said it to him.

So there is absolutely no danger that the African American will continue to not know what it means.

Hero is a college man, I'm sure.  Others are not going to be from college.
Jakumo (m)
Re: Akata?
« #74 on: June 14, 2006, 01:50 PM »

As a matter of personal preference, Drusilla, I'd rather not be assigned or called by any generic name whose meaning needs to be explained to me, and thus I refrain in polite company from using such species-specific nomenclature to describe other people or groups thereof.  But then this is just one person's insignificant opinion in a sea of many diverse ones.
food4tot (f)
Re: Akata?
« #75 on: June 14, 2006, 02:32 PM »

The use of the word can be banned but I don't see that happening in Nigeria for instance. Even Americans born to Nigerian parents are called "akata" by their uncles, aunties, cousins (when the go back to Nigeria).

Its a nickname, and sometimes it is used to tease "akatas" about their foreign outlook. I know Nigerians like teasing people just to get them wound up.

You can ban it in US but you will need to do a lot to ban the use of such words in Nigeria. They will just keep on teasing you just to see your colour go red(if you have a very pale skin). That redness would be an amusement to them and they wont stop taunting you until you grow a thick skin to it. That is when they might stop.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #76 on: June 14, 2006, 03:13 PM »

food4tot,

It's not about banning. It's not about not calling names. African Americans love to play the dozens as well.

You know and I know, that there are things about Nigeria and Nigerians that if said in public company would make every Nigerian want to crawl in a hole and die. (Unless they are Black people.  Cheesy )

So African Americans are not unarmed if someone wants to play the name calling game.

It is the pretense that this is not what is being said, that bothers me.

Don't piss on me and pretend you are giving me water.
food4tot (f)
Re: Akata?
« #77 on: June 14, 2006, 03:17 PM »

@ Drusilla,

Are you akata?
Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #78 on: June 14, 2006, 03:51 PM »

food4tot,

I eat Akata for breakfast. 

I am Ghetto.  Cheesy

food4tot (f)
Re: Akata?
« #79 on: June 14, 2006, 04:16 PM »

LOL  Grin

I have lots of akata cousins and my niece is akata also.
jaguda (m)
Re: Akata?
« #80 on: June 14, 2006, 04:38 PM »

In Warri, AKATA means abroad, overseas, foreign land, europe america. It has even gone further to AKATERIANS, meaning sumbodi just back to Nigeria from abroad.

You need to see benin- city AKATERIANS in Decenber, u go trip.

Thats what i akata to satnd for.
Idekeson (m)
Re: Akata?
« #81 on: June 14, 2006, 04:44 PM »

I know the word is used, for the most part, identify African Americans.  but depending on the context it's also used amongst Nigerians when reacting to some perceived negative characteristics of African Americans. 

What is the original meaning of the word?  Is it from a Nigerian language?
food4tot (f)
Re: Akata?
« #82 on: June 14, 2006, 04:59 PM »

so you don't know Waffi people often import words from other parts of the country? I bet you don't know the meaning of TOKUNBO. Wink
Ashiwaju (m)
Re: Akata?
« #83 on: June 14, 2006, 05:25 PM »

Akata is simply used for the westerners, the white and most especially the ladies. its means no harm, and the word tukubo is self explanatory. just like the Ajebo's and the ajepaki's. gone are the days when Waffi has a derogeratory meaning but now it commonly used to describe who lives where in the region.

I have lots of Akata friends i would say. And wait till i find the true meaning of Akata, its not a fly or a wild animal like most have said. i think it has something to do with strangers or something. i ll check and send it ova as soon as i know but it goes with a particular proverb in Yoruba. like i say i ll check and confirm the true meaning
zarah (f)
Re: Akata?
« #84 on: June 14, 2006, 06:03 PM »

Quote from: food4tot on June 14, 2006, 09:46 AM
is "agbero" derogatory.

That used to be bus conductor but not anymore

to break it up

a = (someone who, )
gba=( gathers/collects)
ero=(crowd)


It really doesn't matter what agbero means but when it is refered to someone it's usually a way of moccking or belittling, and so is the word thug,  it is deragatory, forget the dictionary meaning. (at least in naija)

In hausa aboki means friend but it is used to mock or refer to someone as mumu.
But the use of the word is now different because bus conductors gradually turned touts. (people's point of view)

AGBERO = tout/thug

But even in english, is the word "thug" derrogative?
T2 (m)
Re: Akata?
« #85 on: June 14, 2006, 06:06 PM »

Akata to me is a term that means African-American, just as oyinbo means white person, the concept in which it is used could prove derogative but I don’t think it is meant to be a derogative term.

Ajereke however means "the one who eats sugar cane" now this could be linked to the fact black Americans worked on the sugar cane farms as slave. Yep, I think that’s clearly a derogative term

The cotton picker thing is just a misconception, which is not what akata means, it was even used in Sugar Hill, which starred Wesley Snipes:

"Wesley's character in a drug business meeting with some Nigerian guys who are speaking to each other in Yoruba: "Awon Akata lo ko wa ba mi meeen. Mo ti so fun e meeen, mi o le se business pelu awon Akata yi meeeeen!".

Wesley then asks: "What da **** is he talking about? What's all this Akata **** anyway?!". The Nigerian guy then answers: "It means lost American sons of slaves, you know, cotton pickers".

An enraged Wesley looks to his partner, looks back at the Naija guy, then drops him with a right hook. ."


But the truth is will I call a white guy oyinbo or an African American akata? Nope, same reason I will not speak my mother tongue to people who don’t understand, I just think that’s rude.
Drusilla (f)
Re: Akata?
« #86 on: June 14, 2006, 06:18 PM »

T2,

Ahh, that is interesting. I did not know it was in a movie. I think I watched sugarhill as a child, so I do not remember it to good.
food4tot (f)
Re: Akata?
« #87 on: June 14, 2006, 06:28 PM »

@zarah, are you Nigerian?

hope that is not derogatory.

when did you turn your friends to "mumus"?
I use "aboki" but not in the same way as you do.
gigitte (f)
Re: Akata?
« #88 on: June 15, 2006, 08:50 AM »

this jakumo person is not a serious human being, 'yorubas call hausas gambaris' does he even know what gambari means, perhaps it is the yoruba word for a hausa person. does he also know that hausa people were the ones who grouped the different ethnic groups under the yoruba umbrella and called them yoruba? this is why yoruba people in benin, togo and sierra leone have a different name. this is why an egba man will say he is egba because his history is very different from that of an ekiti man. so in essence we the yoruba people were lumped together and called yoruba, i for one, am not complaining.

finally akata is not an english word, it is simply a word for african-americans, notice it is not a word for other black people, that is why jamaicans are called jamo or ajereke. im not saying that jamo orginated from nigeria but you get me. the reason a lot of people say it derogatory is the because there is a wealth of feeling and preconceived notions behind that singular word akata. the reason being that due to the media and first hand experience, a lot of nigerians perceive african americans are being unruly law breakers, living in poor situations, doing drugs, swaggering and other negative things so that when they discuss akatas they do so with a sneer and a curl of the lip. another person might discuss akatas with no intonation whatsoever.

now going back to other names we have for foreigners ajereke, saro, aguda, chinko, paki, waffi, mr. patel, these names are not in themselves derogatory, it all depends on what stereotypes have been formed about said group.  for instance, a lot of people call hausa people aboki in nigeria and when discussing these hausa people, they do so with a sneer because of ethnic tensions, stereotypes yadda yadda yadda. a person listening on this conversation will think aboki is degoratory, in fact someone confidently told me once that it was. but is it? hell no! it simply means friend in hausa. is an igbo man calling a yoruba ngbati ngbati degoratory, it could be. it all depends on perconcieved notions/stereotypes or it could just be a synonym for yoruba. the same way a yoruba person may refer to ibo man as okoro

moving on the US, the reasons above are the reasons why african americans may refer to one another as nigga, because there is no perconcieved notion of slave/master r/ship as a opposed to an european american man saying the same thing. ever since i moved here, i have become extremely uncomfortable with african american people referring to me as african. why? you may ask me,  have you ever heard the term african booty scratcher?. perhaps i am only imagining it but behind their words when they refer to me as an african, i hear 'you live in a hut, you are poor, your continent is riddled with disease, you are a monkey, you live in trees' now of course a lot people simply don't mean that, but some people do. this is why a african-american person might take offense at being called an african. so is the word african degoratory? it could be, but honestly if i hear one more akata call me african, i may be tempted to call him slave

in conclusion, i will continue to refer to african-americans as akatas if i feel like it, tho i prefer to use ghetto Grin

and as for hero, if you had stepped to me at that party, i would have shown you some serious pepper lol
Ashiwaju (m)
Re: Akata?
« #89 on: June 15, 2006, 12:47 PM »

@ gigitte, thanks 4 your observation


Yoruba proverb "ti oju akata ba le wo, ki se enu edi e ni o to si"

If "Akata" eyes swells, its not for the hen to say. i jst hope i got d int. rite


still yet to get the real meaning of akata

Jakumo (m)
Re: Akata?
« #90 on: June 15, 2006, 01:01 PM »

Giggitte I appreciate as a compliment your opinion that I am an "un-serious" person, as I do endeavor to inject as much humor as possible into my scribblings.  Gratifyingly you did not refer to me as a conceited and long-winded bore who fills acres of screen space just to make a simple point, though I would still have preferred even that assessment to being completely ignored, which you thankfully have not done.   

You are obviously quite proud and content to refer to African Americans with a categorizing label, so please do not let the idle mutterings of an internet stranger dissuade you for a second from your personal life choices. As for me, I write, you respond, and therefore I exist, which is good.
Ashiwaju (m)
Re: Akata?
« #91 on: June 15, 2006, 01:40 PM »

@ jakumo

I really don't think giggite meant insulting you with that statement. No vex, it just like a fair note. I apologize on his/her behalf.
nairamar (m)
Re: Akata?
« #92 on: June 15, 2006, 04:01 PM »

Akata is the yoruba word for Plantation worker.  The term started around the 1920's when America became a location for education amongst the Yoruba elite.  When attending Howard University, the then 2nd son of the Oba of Lagos wrote in a letter to his cousin and mentor the Cardinal of Apapa and using the word "Akata" to describe the  the Negro as African American were then called.
chinani (f)
Re: Akata?
« #93 on: June 15, 2006, 06:49 PM »

That's quite a story Nairamar. . . Undecided

Gigitte, well done! Grin
Idekeson (m)
Re: Akata?
« #94 on: June 15, 2006, 08:17 PM »

Quote from: nairamar on June 15, 2006, 04:01 PM
Akata is the yoruba word for Plantation worker. The term started around the 1920's when America became a location for education amongst the Yoruba elite. When attending Howard University, the then 2nd son of the Oba of Lagos wrote in a letter to his cousin and mentor the Cardinal of Apapa and using the word "Akata" to describe the the Negro as African American were then called.

This is why I've always wanted to know the true meaning of the word.  I can't live with myself calling a fellow black man "Plantation Worker", knowing the evils of slavery.  It doesn't matter to me that the meaning has changed in recent times.  The same way I don't call any black brother "Nigger" in the name of hip-hop, I shall desist forthwith with any reference to African Americans as Akata, now that I know the true meaning.

Nairamar, Thanks a lot  for the infomation.
Jakumo (m)
Re: Akata?
« #95 on: June 15, 2006, 09:39 PM »

Idekeson I'll add a big AMEN to those words of yours that ring so true.  If a name sounds offensive then it probably is so don't use it on anyone who you aren't looking to annoy.
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