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Hero (m)
The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« on: April 18, 2008, 03:52 PM »

 Tongue






Now for some documentation on the issue.

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Excerpts from his post: AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN LINK TO IGBO ORIGINS; THE EGBA ARE IGBO

It is an established fact and beyond dispute that the vast majority of captives taken from Africa for enslavement in the Americas were of Igbo origins. In addition to the massive amount of Igbos documented and acknowledged to have been shipped directly out of the Igbo dominated areas of the Niger Delta millions of others were brought to the Americas from Igbo slave colonies which were established throughout the African Continent and thus arrived under a variety of tribal and national listings.

Those classified as Ashante were actually Igbos who were imported to Ghana by Portuguese slave traders to work the gold mines. Others listed as Angolan were also Igbos. Some Igbos were imported to Angola prior to their arrival in the Americas, while others were born and raised in the Igbo slave colony of Angola. Both Angola and Mozambique have coastal cities named IBO(EBO)conveniently located for exporting slaves.

The Gullah whose name derives from the word Angola are an African - American community that live on the sea islands off of the coast of Georgia and South Carolina. The Gullah are currently engaged in a strenuous battle to secure a memorial at a site called Igbo Landing. Igbo Landing was named in memory of the countless Igbos who drowned themselves to protest their enslavement. Historians who have taken a serious interest in the slave trade and tribal origins of African - Americans most certainly understand that there was a significant "Yoruba" element amongst the captives. The purpose of this writing is to further support research that proves that the majority of those enslaved and brought to the Americas were Igbo by acknowledging those classified as " YORUBA" as being Igbo as well.

The term " YORUBA " originally referred to the Oyo, a tribe who lived amongst the Hausas in what is presently Northern Nigeria.(3) Over the centuries they were gradually driven southward where they in turn became the conquerors of the indigenous people of " Southwest Nigeria" who like their Southeastern counterparts were referred to as the Igbos.(4) This Igbo society was traditionally protected by a secret society of masked warriors known as the Egbo or Egba.

The Southwestern Igbo lived in the forest surrounding Ife. It was there that they were first confronted by Oduduwa who along with his youngest son Oranyan are remembered as the founders of the Oyo(Yoruba)Kingdom at Ife.(5) In their initial encounters, the Oyo were unable to penetrate the frightening Egba(Igbos) as these intimidating forest dwellers mastered the art of instilling fear into their opponents. These Igbos went further in raiding and burning down the intruding Oyo(Yoruba) settlements in the town at Ife.

The Igbo(Egba) were first defeated through the scheming of a women named Moremi who allowed herself to be captured by the Igbo as she used her beauty to seduce the Igbo King into revealing the secrets of the Egba(Igbo).(6) She later returned to the Oyo providing her fellow countrymen with the necessary information needed to finally conquer the Igbo(Egba) " menace ". This defeat of the Igbo is celebrated every year at the annual Eid festival at Ife.



In 1835, the Egba(Igbo) declared themselves independent of the Yoruba(Oyo) and in response the Oyo along with the Ijebu drove them out of Ibadan, Ife and other towns north of their present day capital of Abeokuta.(7) As a result of close interaction with the Ijebu , the city Ijebu-Igbo was established. The founding of the Egba(Igbo)Kingdom at Abeokuta in 1837 is considered to be the last one recognized within the "Yoruba confederation " of tribes. By this time the term Yoruba had now expanded beyond its original usage in referring to the Oyo and generally applied to all of the inhabitants of Southwest Nigeria.

In addition to the Egba there remains a "Yoruba " tribe in the Kwarra State that continues to use the more original Igbo as part of their tribal name and they are referred to as Igbo-Mina. The tradition of the masked Egbo(Egba)warriors is likewise documented in Southeastern Nigeria the home of the present day Igbo people.

1. Egbo - A secret society at one time existing as a political bond between various towns especially in Eastern Nigeria. - World Book
Dictionary A - K 1974.

In 1876, the Scottish Presbyterian Missionary Mary Slessor came to Calabar. According to the accountings of Ms. Slessor, in the Igbo areas a secret society known as Egbo went around in masks and beat people. She claimed to have chased a group of Egbo and tore off a mask.(Cool (Note THE EGBO WARRIORS SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM OR WEAKNESS FOR FOREIGN WOMEN. FIRST MOREMI IN THE WEST INFORMS HER PEOPLE TO BURN THE MASKS OF THE EGBO(EGBA) AND LATER IN THE EAST, MARY SLESSOR CLAIMS TO HAVE PERSONALLY TORN OFF AN EGBO MASK.)

The Egba of Abeokuta worship a deity called the Oro. Oro is a god who resides in a bush. In honor of Oro a sacred ceremony is performed at a secluded spot inside the bush. This ceremony is called Igbo Oro. (9) The concept of Igbo Oro closely resembles the story of the Lord of Israal(Israel) speaking to the Prophet Moses(Musa) from inside of the burning bush. Igbo Oro can be related to the early Israal origins of the Igbo(10).

Although the concept of Legba(Eshu) varies it began as an ancestral memorial designed to maintain the Igbo identity during times when the Igbo declared themselves to be in a state of secrecy called Egba/Egbo. Legba was also activated in the New World to counter modern slavery and its attempts to wipe out the Egba(Igbo) identity of the captives. The deity is described in " Yoruba " mythology as the " Divine Trickster " who wields great power because of his ability to outwit his fellow gods. Evidences of Legba have been documented throughout the Americas in such places as Brazil, Guyana, Trinidad, Haiti and New Orleans under various names such as Lebba,Legba, Elegbarra and Liba.(11)

The term Elegbarra or Lugbarra is of great significance because not only does the name appear in the Americas amongst the Egba slaves who are of Igbo origin, but it is also the name of a tribe that lives in Southern Sudan and Northern Uganda who are likewise related to the Igbos of Nigeria. When traveling in Uganda I personally met a Lugbarra Doctor of Medicine who previously studied alongside of Igbos from Nigeria. The Lugbarra man stated that he could understand much of the Igbo language which had much in common with his own Lugbarra tongue. He was definitely convinced that the Lugbarra and the Igbo were akin.(12)(13)

In 1967,Haiti became the only country outside of Africa to recognize the Igbo quest to establish the independent Republic of Biafra. This was due to the Haitian's memory of their own Igbo revolutionary past. The numerous and successful slave revolts in Haiti are all clearly documented as Igbo uprisings(14),but yet we find the strongest presence of the ancestral deity Legba amongst the Haitians. In Haiti Legba is described as the most powerful of all Loa.He is the guardian of the gate between the material and spiritual world. He has great wisdom and knowledge of the past and future. Every ritual begins with a sacrifice to Legba. He is the guardian of the sun and his color is black. The guardian of the sun is most likely a code for the land of the Rising Sun which is the ancient Igbo reference to the land of Biafra.(15)

 In Brazil, an organized Igbo revolt led to the establishment of the independent " Igbo" Republic of Palmares which lasted 45 years.(16) Being consistent with Igbo resistance, Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Igbo warriors who preferred death to captivity.(17) The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Igbo presence in the region. (18) However as in the case of Haiti Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the "Yoruba " including the worship of Legba.

Olukwumu is spoken in Brazil and interestingly enough in a few Igbo communities such as Anioma,Idumu-Ogu, Ubulubu,Ugboba,Ugbodu and Okwumzu. Although this dialect cannot be found in Yorubaland it remains in reference as a " lost dialect of the Yoruba language ". (19) This indicates that in addition to the Egba and Igbo -Mina, other Igbo communities likewise were classified as " Yoruba " and like the Olukwumu some made their way to the New World accompanying the majority Egba.

In Cuba the Olukwumu(Yoruban-Igbos)are referred to as the Lukumi or Olukumi. Like other Igbo captives the Lukumi of Cuba were noted for their massive suicidal resistance that often found them hanging from the branches of the Guasima trees.(20) This sounds very similar to the Igbos of Haiti, as the Haitian saying," IGBOS PEND COR A YO " - The Igbos hang themselves is still current.(21) NOTE: ( IN ADDITION TO THE IGBO OLUKUMI THERE ARE THOSE IGBOS WHO WERE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM CALABAR TO CUBA AND THEY ARE KNOWN AS THE
ABAKUA.)

No one would argue that Paul Robeson and Booker T. Washington standout amongst the most accomplished "African-Americans " the latter being the founder of the prestigious Tuskegee Institute. It can be speculated that the success of these two individuals can at least partially be attributed to the fact that they both maintained links to their Igbo origins. Paul Robeson confirmed his Igbo identity through linguistics as he was able to verify the Igbo origins of a number of African words that had been passed down through his family(22),while Booker T. Washington obviously maintained an understanding of his Egba(Igbo) background which is reflected in his middle name Tanifeani, a name most common to the Egba people.(23). In summary the captives taken to the Americas of whom were classified as " Yorubas " were of Igbo origins, as the Igbos arriving under a variety of tribal names and classifications account for approximately 90% of all slaves.
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Hero (m)
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #1 on: April 18, 2008, 03:53 PM »




African-Americans are carriers of the second largest stock of Igbo descendants in the world behind Nigeria. There's over 200,000 Nigerian-Igbo in the US and you'd never know that most of them weren't African-Americans because they are indistinguishable in most cases because of the vastly shared genetic makeup between us.   

Here's some more Igbo's.





















nwando
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #2 on: April 18, 2008, 04:09 PM »

Hero,I'm Igbo and I agree 100% that African Americans have very similar features with Igbos.
My own mom said so the first time she set her foot in the USA,she actually commented so.

In my own family there are different shades and I have  first cousins that could pass as mixed because my great grand mother and grandfather were light skinned black.

There are Igbos with strong African features,the  broad nose and very dark skin but generally most African Americans are closest in features to Igbos than any other tribes in Africa.

The other African group that I observed that has same look as Igbos are Zambians.
The same facial features and varied skin tone
The names even sound a little Igboid
I wonder if there's any historical connection.

lazy (m)
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #3 on: April 18, 2008, 05:07 PM »

@ Hero

I don't disagree that a lot of Igbos were brought to the States. However, I do disagree that the majority of enslaved Africans in the States were Igbo. I would like to see where this person got their information confirming this. When I make statements on this, I use information documented from the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database.

The only place that is apart of the States today that had a majority concentration of Igbo was Virginia. Other Places in the States had a many Igbo but Virginia was the only State that had a majority concentration. Also, when I speak on this I am not speaking about the entire Western Hemisphere but only the States.

I see that this is something that you feel strongly about and you keep pressing this issue. I just would like to see some scholarly documentation.
tpia
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #4 on: April 19, 2008, 02:09 AM »

Quote from: lazy on April 18, 2008, 05:07 PM


I see that this is something that you feel strongly about and you keep pressing this issue. 

If hero has this kind of fixation on specific human beings, instead of Igbos in general, he wouldn't be too far from having stalking charges filed against him, for real.

This just aint healthy. ** shakes head**

 Undecided Undecided
lazy (m)
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #5 on: April 19, 2008, 02:16 AM »

Quote from: tpia on April 19, 2008, 02:09 AM
If hero has this kind of fixation on specific human beings, instead of Igbos in general, he wouldn't be too far from having stalking charges filed against him, for real.

This just aint healthy. ** shakes head**

 Undecided Undecided

 Grin LOL! I don't know what it is but I have given him resources to look this information up. I am not totally discrediting what he is saying but his statements are not accurate.
tpia
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #6 on: April 19, 2008, 02:42 AM »

Quote from: lazy on April 19, 2008, 02:16 AM
Grin LOL! I don't know what it is but I have given him resources to look this information up. I am not totally discrediting what he is saying but his statements are not accurate.

He's provided "documentation" times without number, here. Doubtless he'll be happy to repost the proof.

Any evidence that doesnt back up what he's saying, he'll ignore or find some way to discredit. Any evidence for, he'll intensify.

Interesting how he always ignores any other connection, especially the Carribean one.
lazy (m)
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #7 on: April 19, 2008, 05:31 AM »

Quote from: tpia on April 19, 2008, 02:42 AM
He's provided "documentation" times without number, here. Doubtless he'll be happy to repost the proof.

Any evidence that doesnt back up what he's saying, he'll ignore or find some way to discredit. Any evidence for, he'll intensify.

Interesting how he always ignores any other connection, especially the Carribean one.

I have noticed that. I haven't heard anything on the evidence that I brought forth on this topic.

I don't think he is ignoring the Carribean connection but I just think he is focused so hard on the States. I know that many enslaved Africans in the Carribean came from out of the Bight of Biafra.

Like I said, I don't disagree with everything that he is saying and I could post somethings that go along with what he is saying to a certain extent. It is just when he starts speaking about the majority of AA's and things like that.

I am going to give Hero a little something. I just would like information not from miscellaneous website or documents. I would like something scholarly. Here some research that was going on at York University in Toronto.:

This is a link about the different projects (many dealing with African Diaspora and the connection with Nigeria): http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/areas.htm

http://www.yorku.ca/nhp/areas/ethnic.htm

Ethnic Identity in the Diaspora and the Nigerian Hinterland

The focus for this area of research is on specific language groups that were common in the diaspora: Aja/Fon, Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, and Kanuri (Borno). As is now widely known, enslaved Africans were often concentrated in specific places in the diaspora. Enslaved individuals from the Nigerian hinterland are know to have gone to Bahia (Yoruba, Hausa, Nupe), Jamaica (Igbo), St. Domique/Haiti (Aja/Fon, Yoruba, Igbo), Cuba (Yoruba, Aja/Fon), and the USA (Igbo). In the Maghreb and the larger Islamic world, Hausa and Kanuri (Borno) were common. This project examines the significance of sub-ethnicities, especially among the Yoruba, and the ways in which Islam overrode ethnic identities, as in Bahia, Brazil. We will consider Muslims as a category, including Hausa, Nupe and Yoruba; and we will examine the importance of conversion in the diaspora. Our concern is to establish the extent to which the movement of enslaved Africans into diaspora was similar to other population migrations. In what ways did slaves, even though they were involuntary immigrants, behave like other immigrants? In considering the assimilation model of "creolization", should we not also allow for the possibility that African cultural traditions intensified, despite the oppression to which the enslaved were subjugated? The debate over ethnicity and other ways in which slaves asserted their identities in the face of oppression, is such a fundamental issue in the study of slavery and the development of "creole" culture(s) that this focus of our research program will permeate all of our endeavours. Thus, the search for new data and the exchange of information is directed at creating an atmosphere for international exchange that will be useful in uncovering the nuanced meanings of ethnicity.
tpia
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #8 on: April 19, 2008, 03:21 PM »

@ lazy: this is how hero opens debatable threads then vanishes after stirring up controversy.

I disagree with many of his assertions because
-1. A lot of people are claiming an Igbo connection based on DNA testing. This DNA analysis seems to inevitably show only one genotype, which is Igbo. Other tribes genotype has presumably not been documented, I guess. Most of the slaves brought to the US intermingled and mixed with each other- so how come the other black genes arent showing? If someone is a product of say two or more different tribes, then why should DNA  testing only show a genotype for one tribe and not the others. Its like an Italian/Polish/Scottish/Irish/German white American going for DNA testing and being told he only has Irish genes.

- There is plenty of documentation about the slave trade. Hero ignores or discredits anything that doesnt show a link to Igbo. That is not objective research.


- I have rarely mistaken an AA for Igbo, or vice versa.  Some people born in the US may show some resemblance to AA, but that cuts across tribes. On the other hand, I have mistaken Congolese people for AA a few times. Also some Malawians, and Mozambicans can bear a faint resemblance to AA. Haitians look more Igbo than any other diaspora blacks I've seen. Jamaica has a village or villages claiming direct links to Abeokuta in western Nigeria.


here are some other links:

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It would be impossible to argue, however, that transatlantic trade did not have a major effect upon the development and scale of slavery in Africa. As the demand for slaves increased with European colonial expansion in the New World, rising prices made the slave trade increasingly lucrative. African governments eager to augment their treasuries even preyed upon their own peoples by manipulating their judicial systems, condemning individuals and their families to slavery in order to reap the rewards of their sale to European traders. Slave exports were responsible for the emergence of a number of large and powerful kingdoms that relied on a militaristic culture of constant warfare to generate the great numbers of human captives required for trade with the Europeans. The Yoruba kingdom of Oyo on the Guinea coast, founded sometime before 1500, expanded rapidly in the eighteenth century as a result of this commerce. Its formidable army, aided by advanced iron technology, captured immense numbers of slaves that were profitably sold to traders. In the nineteenth century, the aggressive pursuit of slaves through warfare and raiding led to the ascent of the kingdom of Dahomey, in what is now the Republic of Benin, and prompted the emergence of the Chokwe chiefdoms from under the shadow of their Lunda overlords in present-day Angola and the Democratic Republic of Congo. The Asante kingdom on the Gold Coast of West Africa also became a major slave exporter in the eighteenth century.

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/slav/hd_slav.htm


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Slave Market Regions and Participation
There were eight principal areas used by Europeans to buy and ship slaves to the Western Hemisphere. The number of slaves sold to the new world varied throughout the slave trade. As for the distribution of slaves from regions of activity, certain areas produced far more slaves than others. Between 1650 and 1900, 10.24 million African slaves arrived in the Americas from the following regions in the following proportions:[20]

Senegambia (Senegal and The Gambia): 4.8%
Upper Guinea (Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Sierra Leone): 4.1%
Windward Coast (Liberia and Cote d' Ivoire): 1.8%
Gold Coast (Ghana): 10.4%
Bight of Benin (Togo, Benin and Nigeria west of the Niger Delta): 20.2%
Bight of Biafra (Nigeria east of the Niger Delta, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon): 14.6%
West Central Africa (Republic of Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo and Angola): 39.4%
Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar): 4.7%


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_slave_trade#Slave_Market_Regions_and_Participation

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Seventeenth century Capuchin monks reported that the Angolan Ndongo slave catchment area was rapidly becoming a wasteland as a result of slave trading induced wars and raids that decimated the population (Birmingham 1981:37). According to them, by the end of the 17th century the area was a wasteland depopulated by slave exports, deaths during wars or slave transit to slaving depots, and as a result of mass out migrations of people fleeing in advance of the slave catching warriors (1981:38).

Dr. Gwendolyn Hall documents that Africans of Bambara origins predominated among those enslaved in French Louisiana during the American colonial period.

The Africans enslaved in the north mostly came by way of the Caribbean, with Philadelphia, Perth Amboy, New York and New England as the final ports of call in the triangular Transatlantic Slave Trade or the Atlantic inter-coastal trade between Charleston and Portsmouth (Horton and Horton 1997).

Based upon South Carolina records of the ethnic origins of slaves, Curtin estimated that 39.65 percent of slaves imported to South Carolina between 1733 and 1807 were ‘congos’ or Angolas. Africans from Senegambia (19.5%), the Windward Coast (16.3%) and the Gold Coast (13.3%) were also imported into South Carolina during the latter time period.

Nearly three quarters of the Africans disembarking in the lower Chesapeake area (York and Upper James Basin) came from more southerly parts of Africa, from the Bight of Biafra (present day eastern Nigeria) and West Central Africa (then called Kongo and Angola).


Throughout the 18th century, approximately three quarters of the Africans arriving in the Upper Chesapeake as well as in the region around the lower James River came from the upper parts of the West African coast, from Senagambia on the north to the Windward and Gold Coasts, an area which included present day Senegal down along the coast ending in the area of present day Ghana (Walsh 2001:31).


http://www.nps.gov/history/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histContextsD.htm



 




Once I met an AA who resembled my non-Yoruba uncle.  Someone actually saw this girl then came to tell me she met someone who looked exactly like one of my relatives. So we went there and I asked the girl if she was Nigerian. She said no, she has no connection to Nigeria. All I assumed then was maybe someone from my uncle's side had fathered an unknown child while here. Same could apply to so many others, given the relatively recent surge in African emigration in the last century.

Assuming Tuface travels to the US and increases the population over there: the kids will look like people from his area (and maybe not know their father), does that mean their Nigerian connection is from centuries ago.


I don talk my own. he who has ears to hear let him hear. Undecided

lazy (m)
Re: The Proof Is In The Features And The Documentation.
« #9 on: April 20, 2008, 03:06 AM »

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Quote from: tpia on April 19, 2008, 03:21 PM
@ lazy: this is how hero opens debatable threads then vanishes after stirring up controversy.

I have noticed this. We are discussing this issue and he is no where to be found. I thought this was the whole point of a message board. At least I thought?  Grin

I agree with you that AA's are made up of many different African groups. I thought that was one of the reasons why the name AA was adopted. AA's are not Nigerian, totally, AA's are not Igbo, totally, or anything esle totally. AA's are made up of various African groups on the contient mostly from West Africa (with varying degrees of European and maybe some Native American based on the individual).

Quote from: tpia on April 19, 2008, 03:21 PM
Assuming Tuface travels to the US and increases the population over there: the kids will look like people from his area (and maybe not know their father), does that mean their Nigerian connection is from centuries ago.

LOL!  Grin  Seriously, I think on an individual basis that an AA can look like a group on the continent but as far as all AA's look like this or a majority look like that,  is silly,
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