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davidylan (m)
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@Danmasani,
Please wake up. There is no longer anything like one north. The middle belt is suddenly waking up to reality. There have been meetings between the middle belt and the south-south recently trying to forge ties. Danjuma, David Mark, Solomon Lar and others have realised that all along they were being used by the sokoto caliphate. When Obasanjo came into power, he appointed middle belters as Army chiefs, the "north" raised voices of marginalisation. Was the middle belt no longer a part of the north? Where northern christians suddenly non-northerners?
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DaHitler (m)
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Danmasani, much like most of the true North, is lieing to himself. Thanks your Caliphates, the North has the highest poverty rate in the entire country. It is very telling about a culture that fails to remove leaders that are failing to perform.
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davidylan (m)
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http://allafrica.com/stories/200605010454.html?page=2In 1957 when Chief Anthony Enahoro famously moved the motion for independence, The North opposed it, and made certain ridiculous demands which subsequently delayed Nigeria's independence until 1960.Not too surprisingly, the North that actively worked against independence mounted the saddle of power (Courtesy of the British). Tafawa Balewa a hardly educated Northern politician, bereft of any ideas for strategic economic, and social development, became the Prime Minister and head of government. His regime was marked by inter-regional wrangling, rigging of elections and population census results in favour of the Feudal North, and massive social unrest that led to daily massacres in the Western region (We-tie). Lt Col. Yakubu Gowon had preparatory to the planned Northern secession famously announced that "there was no basis for Nigerian unity".
The Northern somersault from a planned secession, to a policy of "keeping Nigeria one at all cost" led to the civil war, which was occasioned by the unprecedented large scale massacre of Eastern civilians.Northern rule which lasted for 36 out of the 45 years of independence is a classical study in mismanagement, incompetence, corruption, tyranny, ethnic and religious intolerance. The unitary system of government, which ironically was one of the reasons the July 1966 counter coupists claimed they had to strike, was maintained and strengthened in outright disregard of Nigeria's diversity. It is instructive to note that no senior Northern politician has ever condemned the periodic killings of Christians in the North.Neither the Arewa consultative forum, nor Gen. Muhammadu Buhari, nor Gen. Ibrahim Babangida, nor Vice president Atiku Abubakar, amongst others has ever condemned such killings, or taken any major initiatives to put a final stop to such killings. We must not forget so soon that the present unjust, unitary structure, exploitative, and miserably poor Nigeria we have today, bereft of electricity, pipe borne water, quality healthcare, and education is largely the making of the caliphate North. The North's return to power would send us progressively back into the stone age.
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Zahymaka (m)
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How many people have actually lived in the North? The North gets all the power even when they don't need it -- and why, because they have Kainji. If the South decides to keep most of the revenue for themselves, the North screams blue murder -- it's as predictable as the rising of the sun.
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DaHitler (m)
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Zahymaka, thats why I am waiting on the results of the census. Once I have that information, I can come up with and hopefully publish some pro-south and anti-north propaganda that would hopefully end up in Nigeria. It is the least I can to put an end to this unholy union.
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mochafella (m)
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Zahymaka, thats why I am waiting on the results of the census.
Do you actually expect the census to produce anything meaningful? Abeg, that was a waste of time and a means to provide money for the boys, same with the National ID card and all the other deliberately crippled policies of state. |
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DaHitler (m)
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The census would show the population of the States. Using that information, I would be able to estimate the population of each region and then tailor my campaign to best target those populations in the west and east.
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mochafella (m)
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The census would show the population of the States. Using that information, I would be able to estimate the population of each region and then tailor my campaign to best target those populations in the west and east.
The census may show many things but it will almost certainly not show the accurate population of the states. I suggest you go dig up WHO/UN figures. Waiting on the figures from the NPC is a waste of time. You seem to think you are dealing with an American census. |
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DaHitler (m)
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Which side would the census reflect in favor of?
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mochafella (m)
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Which side would the census reflect in favor of?
The side of the politician who got a larger amount of money because the population in his locality increased. |
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DaHitler (m)
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ok, then which side would that be?
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mochafella (m)
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Apparently you assume that a Nigerian politician has a constituency he protects. Actually he does, its his pocket plain and simple. Any inflation of figures that goes on, is not designed to help the people of the locality, its to ensure that a larger pool of money is available for the politicians to divvy up. Now if you don't understand that, then you have other issues.
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DaHitler (m)
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Mochafella, that is a very weak answer.
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mochafella (m)
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Mochafella, that is a very weak answer.
1) How? 2) Why do you think figure inflation goes on? |
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davidylan (m)
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Mochafella, that is a very weak answer.
nope, i quite agree with Mochafella. The real reason why many state governors showed "great enthusiasm" for the census was because according to the constitution, revenue allocation (that wretched word!) is based on LAND MASS and POPULATION SIZE! Based on BOTH criteria, the NORTH gets the lion share of the resources they do not generate including VAT going to SHARIA states like ZAMFARA! The more you can pump up your population figures, the more money is voted to your state which of course translates to the pocket of the state governor. |
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DaHitler (m)
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As for the inflation, if that is so, I have no idea why it would be any less wide spread all over the rest of the country.
I am only looking for proportional value.
Also, are the Hausas and Fulani population (not the leaders) aware that they are not contributing anything tangible to the country?
Do the Hausa Fulani people even care about a one Nigeria?
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davidylan (m)
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Also, are the Hausas and Fulani population (not the leaders) aware that they are not contributing anything tangible to the country?
Do the Hausa Fulani people back even care about a one Nigeria?
Yes they are fully aware and CARE a great deal about "one" Nigeria. I lived in the north for one yr, 2004-2005, and i can tell you there is no where besides the north where the phrase "one Nigeria" is used more often. Any time you criticise them or broach the idea of fiscal federalism or a return to a regional system of govt, they are quick to remind you of "one Nigeria"! They are quick to tell you how detribalized we all should be, they elaborate on how they are very willing to live anywhere since according to them Nigeria belongs to us all. what they however don't tell us is that while we have the resources, jobs and economic muscle that they all seek in lagos, all they have in return is arid lands!
I was a graduate lecturer at FUT yola for a yr, when myself and my fellow lecturer tried arranging a geography excursion, all of them (more than 80 of them) wanted to go to lagos! They were prepared to sleep on floors just to have an excursion in lagos. When we both tried to explain that there were no trees, parks or geographical landscapes in lagos (compared to theirs), they still insisted until we had to put it off!
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DaHitler (m)
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lol. That is a funny story, Davidylan.  |
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davidylan (m)
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lol,
if you really wanted to enjoy yourself at the expense of some ignorant fellows who have only seen the atlantic ocean in geography textbooks, visit any northern school and introduce yourself as a "Lagos boy".
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DaHitler (m)
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I will be sure to do that. My brother's wife is from the North  *Plans trip to visit sister in-law's family* |
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debosky (m)
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interesting thread. there's some truth in saying the north hasn't contributed as much as it should to nigeria as a whole. but i think u guys are a bit unfair, most of the food in nigeria comes from the north, the people are hardworking, albeit not in the same way as southerners, the average northerner doesn't need so much to be satisfied. most are small scale farmers just trying to make ends meet. In general, the structure of the north is what lets them down, listening to whatever the emir or imam says, reasonable or not. even 'educated' northerners still fall prey to this at times. one thing the southerneres need to learn from the north: they fight for what they want, you try to take away the oil money and they bunch together and speak with one voice, unlike southerners, maybe we have too much 'education' for our own good.
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Zahymaka (m)
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debosky, I beg to differ on the issue of most of the food coming from the North. Most of the food comes from the Middle Belt [especially Benue].
These guys are called Hausa Banza by the 'pure' sons of Bawo -- Zaria and co. Yet they're called brothers when it's time to talk of natural resources.
The same way the Igbo man and all southerners are either called 'Nyamili' or 'Babandoya' but they preach 'One Nigeria' when it's time for 'revenue allocation.'
The North is a study in hypocrisy -- a person who gets the lion's share from a National Cake he took no part in baking.
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DaHitler (m)
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The North might not bake the cake, but they stand behind the baker with a suya dagger at ready position.  |
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davidylan (m)
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The North is a study in hypocrisy -- a person who gets the lion's share from a National Cake he took no part in baking. Please reframe: A person who DEMANDS the Lion's share from a Regional cake he has no idea how it was baked! |
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debosky (m)
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they should be left there, only thing is that the money should go to where it is produced - oil money to niger delta, taxes to Lagos, PH, etc, then they'll have to get off their lazy butts and do something more than just marry wives every other year.
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Zahymaka (m)
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You know as well as I do that the North'll fight it tooth and nail -- and most likely win.
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DaHitler (m)
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It depends on where the bulk of the millitary machinery is in the country. If it is the south-west (Very likely since Obj is President and he resently bought new equipment which would come in through Lagos) the south would win. Keep in mind that much of Nigerias millitary capabilities was mis-managed during the reign of IBB and Abacha. I seriously doubt most of the old explosive e.t.c. are still functioning.
Besides, if a fight broke out between the Christian south (I am not a Christian by the way) and the Muslim North, with America's ongoing war on terror, I doubt they would support the potential mujahidins.
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Zahymaka (m)
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Who says they won't support them?
You forget that the ultimate aim of 1st-world countries is to ensure 3rd-World countries remain so. Let's examine the scenario.
If the South secedes, or they get all their resources, Nigeria stands to prosper more -- face it, there's more potential in Nigeria than in USa or Britain. Look at what Japan has done with nothing. If the South becomes independent, corruption although still there will be checked -- and that poses a threat.
If the North wins, everything continues as before -- Nigeria kissing up to 'more privileged' countries.
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debosky (m)
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True talk Zah, but i think the Americans are too scared of terrorists now that they might just support the South if that happens. But frankly no one outside nigeria really wants a break up because it will most likely be bloddy and there is no country that can absorb the sheer number of refugees the war would cause. 120 million is no joke
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GL (f)
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I'm a southerner and for a united Nigeria. I sincerely believe that we have nothing to lose if the North leaves Nigeria, but for the sake of the non-muslims in the North, I want a united Nigeria. I believe that Northerners played a great role in bringing down this country. I believe that all this can change through education. The northern elite has kept the ordinary northerners illiterate and ignorant for their own purposes. This is why they can make them riot, kill and even get killed under the guise of religion. They didn't use their long period of rulership to establish education there. See the polio vaccines incident. Yet, they probably have the highest number of polio victims in the country. Whenever they want the people to do something (or not to do), they link it to Islam. They make the people religious slaves. They give them scholarships to study in Saudi Arabia, but send their kids to US and UK.
Education will enable the ordinary man to realize that he doesn't owe allegiance to emirs, imams etc. Education would open their eyes to the luxuries their leaders enjoy and tell them they have the right to enjoy the same luxuries. Education would show them that they are not lesser beings. When this happens, it is the northerners themselves that would dethrone those leaders keeping them in bondage and they'll catch up with the rest of the world.
This doesn't mean southerners are better, just that they embraced education better and are less prone to deceit. There's a lot that should change in the south too. Yorubas, for example, are very tribalistic. I guess they're not the only ones, but theirs is worth mentioning. Many Bendelites say that Yorubas, particularly in the civil service, consider any post not occupied by a Yoruba person vacant. Other tribes have theirs. On the whole, I believe that when we can see past our ethnic diversities and consider ourselves as Nigerians first, we would achieve the unity we desire.
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DaHitler (m)
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I do not desire unity.
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DRANOEL (m)
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if there is no middle belt then why did orkar strike? in as much as i might not agree with every thing afeni wrote,i do agree the middle belt is not part of the north. i can tell that benue people have nothing in common with the core north not even religion! forget the politics people play,try going to benue and tell the youths they are northerners and you will see the reaction p.s go with protection
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