Sean Bell Trial Verdict

My friend, I'm sorry to inform you that cops have options to be pilot, taxi driver, lawyer, house cleaner and so on. It is not by force to be a cop; if you can't follow the rules and respect human lives because of the risk that comes with the job, I will advise you to go and be a pastor. And FYI, this is exactly  how they're informed at the beginning of their training.

They absolutely have choice, but the citizens on the other hand do not have choice to select which cops should be allowed to carry gun.

Yes, their job is risky without any questions, but at the same time this doesn't permit them to kill as they desire because they have families they want to go home alive to.

Absolutely rubbish!

@BigB1

Noone talking about choice here. i'm saying Cops are human beings who very much want to stay alive. Any cop with a deathwish is a bad cop, simple as that. Please learn to stop, think and READ before jumping to conclusions.

Please don't derail this discussion by dragging Iraq into it. Too many bad vibes from that subject matter.

The description of an excellent cop is simple: and it is called "Selfless"

As a cop, when you start thinking about your wife, your children, your car, your dog, your house or yourself, then it's time for you to look for other career (and infact many who couldn't take the risk have done just this).
It isn't by force, it is absolutely a risky job and also it isn't for everybody.

You should take your own advise; You do not need to read, just learn to Stop and think!

A few shots can kill someone easily. Why so many shots?

Sorry to repost this, but this is key

If you were an armed police man, and 3 people you thought were armed were driving a 2-ton vehicle at you, with the (perceived) intention to ram you, what would you do?

if you were firing blind at a vehicle racing towards you, and you knew there were three men in the car, in all likelihood drawing a bead on you with guns, how many bullets would you fire? One? three?

@Texazzpete:

That's the main key!

There is no such thing as "you thought" when it comes to armed police man. You must be on point, if you can't, then you should find yourself another job. The police officer's position is not for a dolt or a coward.
You must have the ability to think and react effectively under any circumstances.

Furthermore, there are several effective strategies that could be taken when that word "you thought" comes to your mind. And this is part of their training. You just don't start shooting because folks are black and "you thought they were armed".

The NYPD's action on that sad night is called error; and this is what they haven't admitted.

If every cop walks around with your attitude or state of mind, I wonder how many of you will remain in your neighborhood.

Mr hype-man, when are you finally going to grow and buy your own car?

this needs to be blown up and put up somewhere so all that come in through the door here can at see it , LMAO!!!

the key issue here is that Mike Oliver reloaded his gun and fired an additional 16 shots. they may not be guilty of manslaughter but they should have definitely gotten a reckless endangerment charge. what if bystanders were caught in the crossfire. part of being a cop is the ability to handle stress and pressure. they obviously failed here. not a surprise since some NY cops earn has low as 25K a year.



u definitely don't reload your gun after disabling the car. what would u do if u were in a crime ridden area but some guys in plain clothes were point a gun towards u???
they were plain clothes police man who didn't identify themselves before pulling out their guns. anyway, seems a federal case is coming. the prosecution witnesses seemed to have been something else.

The Cops said they introduced themselves as policemen. the people in the car said they didn't. obviously one group is lying. My money is on the cops being right. Not because it fits my arguments, but because it's standard operating procedure to shout 'Freeze! Police' or something like that because a) it actually makes perps freeze at times b) 90% of the time most crooks will not want to shoot at police.


And the fact that 2 of the cops are blacks/minorities is lost on you?


Now we're talking! You're on a stakeout, outside a strip club, investigating GUNS, among other things. You're approaching a vehicle you strongly suspect contains weapons.
Perhaps, BigB1, you may choose that moment to carefully tuck your gun in the most unreachable place om your person, but most normal human beings will definitely prefer to have their weapon on hand.
But hey, what do i know? Perhaps you're one tough dude that isn't afraid of guns. Perhaps your concept of real danger is when you're facing an Abrams tank bare-handed. For most other people, that situation could easily represent danger.


Good. A car's racing towards you, with the intent (you think) to run you down. Inside that car you suspect there are weapons, and the action of the occupants seems to confirm that. Knowing fully well that there are multiple occupants of the vehicle, any of which may be drawing a bead on you, would you

a) fire twice, and then thoughfully pause to examine the results of your phenomenal accuracy (no doubt helped by your ability to slow time down)

b) Fire rapidly at the vehicle, to try and kill the occupants before they kill you?


BigB1, please don't ever quit your job and become a cop. At this rate, you won't survive a week.

@bawomolo
I agree, cops NEED to be able to handle stress and pressure well, but it's irresponsible to expect humans to always respond perfectly to ALL degrees of stress and pressure.

Go find out what makes brave soldiers crack. Read all about shell shock to know what makes hardened veterans stumble aimlessly on a battlefield. Everyone has his limits, training notwithstanding.

At the end of the day, what went down was that each of those three cops thought he was in a 'kill-or-be-killed' situation. And they had a very shot time to make that decision.
In your case, what would you do if you thought you were in that kind of scenario, _{and you weren't a superman like BigB1 who'd have all the time in the world to leisurely squeeze off two shots.}

tezzaspete,you are one mentally enslave bruv,and you are far from knowing it,you sound more like a redneck stereotypical depiction of a black male in america,intentionally misunderstood and suppressed.

The fact that black cops are involved in the killing is not an excuse,a typical blackcop in america,especially new york is an ass licker just like you,sell outs,caught up in the limbo of not knowing who they really are,and what the real game is,not blacks and can never be whites,just puppets.

You have a long way to go for you to start seeing clearly,and the problem of black people adds up today because many fail to realise the fundamental issues,right from the days of Marcus Garvey,to Malcolm X,till date,you always have the easy way out indoctrinated bigots.That guy was killed for who he is,negro.

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery and call a spade a spade.Originality is priceless,an average whiteman wants things to remain the same as long as they are winning,you keep playing the fool,it is for real.Lost souls.

This is why racism will never die out. not because of 'rednecks' as you claim, but because of ignorant hate-mongers like yourself.
There's nothing original in the drivel you spew out on Nairaland. We were hearing the same thing from ignorant hobos and wastrels, hippies spouting useless ideologies and playing at being revolutionaries in the 60s.
Anyone who stands for advancing the cause of the black race will instantly reject you as being of far too little intellect to be of any use whatsoever.


BigB1
kindly show me how you came to the conclusion that i'm living outside the country, or i'm 'supporting the white masters' or i'm a 'sell out'.
if applying logic to an argument makes me a 'sell out', so be it.
Your tacit support for redsun is amusing. Birds of the same feather do flock together.

Good job, anyway. you've turned what used to be an intelligent discussion on legal matters into yet another generic racist thread, making a few racist comments of your own along the way. Good job.

Probably the most profound post on this thread!

And Richyblack joins the lynch mob. good for you, man.
Then again, you've fallen far off your perch long since, haven't you? from a bright start arguing against the Bush administration (and yes, even i got taken by your "i don't hate the US, i hate Bush" claims) to joining Nairaland's league of black racists, you certainly have taken a step for the worse.

but i understand; every man loves disciples, and there's a strange fascination for those with the most fanciful conspiracy theories. That, perhaps, explains the sudden upsurge of 'rebels', 'revolutionaries' and conspiracy theorists here in this forum.

If i ever have anything to do with the legal system, all i can ask for is a free and fair trial whether i am the accuser or the accused. I have satisfactorily presented my reasons why i think the courts acquitted the police officers, and i have to assume that none of you have any reasonable thing to say.
because, if you truly had an intelligent opinion to offer, why the recourse to insults and name calling? Those are the tools of the cowardly, the weak and the terminally dumb.

@RichyBlack
The game console guy was White, not black,

And the cop shot not only him, but his dog as well.