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TopBooty (f)
Indigenous Religion
« on: April 25, 2008, 11:07 PM »

Can any of you name one advantage of  the foreign religions we adopetd in Africa over our indiginous religions. Ex: What did we gain by adopting a Jewish god or the Arabian prophet that we wouldn't gain in traditional african religions?
Pastor AIO
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #1 on: April 26, 2008, 09:31 PM »

Well with christianity you get to speak in tongues. 

But on a more serious note there are and were many great advantages in following a foreign religion especially when it is the religion of a global power.  It grants you access to all, or a lot of, the networks of the adopted culture.  For instance a christian in the 19th century would most likely be quite close to the colonising europeans.  He would have been in a great position to act as interface between the foreigners and the indigenous power brokers.  Not to mention access to whatever learning they cared to share. . . . and as trade links they stand to make a lot of money.

Islam provided a trade network that extended across the sahara into egypt and beyond that to persia India and even further.  The Europeans provided the same that extended across the atlantic. 
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #2 on: April 27, 2008, 08:09 AM »

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Well with christianity you get to speak in tongues. 

Babalawos speak in tongues too.
We still do business today with the Chinese without worshipping their dragon, aint we?
Pastor AIO
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #3 on: April 27, 2008, 12:41 PM »

i don't know any babalawo that speak in tongues.  At least not the tongues that christians speak.  China is a communist country and therefore doesn't have a religion.  However the Chinese colonisation of africa is only just beginning.  We have time to find out what kind of god it will be required of us to start worshipping.
brownbonno (m)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #4 on: April 27, 2008, 01:07 PM »

The advantage is that the western religion was a vehicle to adopt slavery and imperialism
Pastor AIO
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #5 on: April 27, 2008, 04:25 PM »

Quote from: brownbonno on April 27, 2008, 01:07 PM
The advantage is that the western religion was a vehicle to adopt slavery and imperialism
That's an advantage for the imperialist.  I think we are discussing what the advantage is for the enslaved to adopt the imperial religion. 
brownbonno (m)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #6 on: April 27, 2008, 04:37 PM »

Quote from: Pastor AIO on April 27, 2008, 04:25 PM
That's an advantage for the imperialist. I think we are discussing what the advantage is for the enslaved to adopt the imperial religion.

Hmmm to the enslaved,if at all there is advantage,it only give a choice to alternative religion.What more ?
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #7 on: April 27, 2008, 09:44 PM »

Quote from: brownbonno on April 27, 2008, 01:07 PM
The advantage is that the western religion was a vehicle to adopt slavery and imperialism

mmhh slavery? I don't think we needed western religion to gladly sell our brothers into slavery, it was quite voluntary.
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #8 on: April 27, 2008, 09:51 PM »

@ topic.

I learned in primary school about the missionary Mary Slessor who stopped the killing of twins in Calabar and I do not have to offer sacrifices (both animal and human) to please a god.
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #9 on: April 27, 2008, 09:52 PM »

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mmhh slavery? I don't think we needed western religion to gladly sell our brothers into slavery, it was quite voluntary.
Did we sell them all or were they kidnapped?
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #10 on: April 27, 2008, 09:53 PM »

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i don't know any babalawo that speak in tongues
What then will you call all those tadatadatada they speak to conjure the spirits? Nigerian language? What is speaking in tongues?
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #11 on: April 27, 2008, 09:55 PM »

Quote from: TopBooty on April 27, 2008, 09:52 PM
Did we sell them all or were they kidnapped?

Check your history books!!!!!!! My great great grandfather partook in it.
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #12 on: April 27, 2008, 09:56 PM »

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@ topic.

I learned in primary school about the missionary Mary Slessor who stopped the killing of twins in Calabar and I do not have to offer sacrifices (both animal and human) to please a god.

Did they also teach you that oyibo kidnapped jaja of opobo(probably from ibo or calabar) at the same time  because he questioned their invasion of their land?
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #13 on: April 27, 2008, 09:57 PM »

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Check your history books!!!!!!! My great great grandfather partook in it.
Who wrote down what happened during slavery? Your uneducated great grand father or the white man himself? What makes you think he'll attest to the truth in the book for future references?
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #14 on: April 27, 2008, 10:05 PM »

Yes I'm aware of Jaja as well as Bishop Ajayi Crowther who were kidnapped but should we forget we sold our own flesh and blood?

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Who wrote down what happened during slavery? Your uneducated great grand father or the white man himself? What makes you think he'll attest to the truth in the book for future references?

My own father attested to the fact, that's enough proof for me, let no one deceive you.
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #15 on: April 27, 2008, 10:11 PM »

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My own father attested to the fact, that's enough proof for me, let no one deceive you.
There ain't no way your own father, even grand father can tell you for sure unless you are 100 years old. For Gods sake, slave trade stopped in the 19th century(around 1860).
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #16 on: April 27, 2008, 10:24 PM »

Maybe your own family don't keep its history alive, but mine does!!!!!! As much as some were kidnapped, some were as well sold. Nothing to be proud of, but my great, great grandfather partook in it, my father told me so. Why should he lie? To boost his morale? I don't think so. The fact is that slave trade was banned in the West but Nigerians still thought it fit to sell their brothers to smugglers, whether you like it or not it's the truth.
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #17 on: April 27, 2008, 10:26 PM »

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Maybe your own family don't keep its history alive, but mine does!!!!!! As much as some were kidnapped, some were as well sold. Nothing to be proud of, but my great, great grandfather partook in it, my father told me so. Why should he lie? To boost his morale? I don't think so. The fact is that slave trade was banned in the West but Nigerians still thought it fit to sell their brothers to smugglers, whether you like it or not it's the truth.
Well, knock yourself out. My people or town or even state never sold their brothers into slavery.
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #18 on: April 27, 2008, 10:40 PM »

Now, that's a laugh!!!!!!!!!
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #19 on: April 27, 2008, 10:48 PM »

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Now, that's a laugh!!!!!!!!!
Lol, did you fart while laughing loud?
stillwater (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #20 on: April 28, 2008, 01:31 PM »

Yes I did and the stench is coming to meet you. You better wear a face mask.
TopBooty (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #21 on: April 28, 2008, 06:52 PM »

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Yes I did and the stench is coming to meet you. You better wear a face mask.
Lol, I'm used to it.
Pastor AIO
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #22 on: April 29, 2008, 12:38 PM »

Quote from: TopBooty on April 27, 2008, 09:53 PM
What then will you call all those tadatadatada they speak to conjure the spirits? Nigerian language? What is speaking in tongues?

I don't know much about tadatadatada but I know that Ifa uses a lot of incantations.  Yoruba is a very deep and ancient language and there are many words in the Ifa corpus that are not in common usage today.  Also Ifa makes a deal of phonetics.  Yet it is yoruba.  The deepest yoruba that you will ever hear.  Compared to common contemporary yoruba the difference is like the difference between shakespeare (or wordsworth) and nursery rhymes.  It is not for nothing that Orunmila is called the master Gbedegbeyo of yoruba.  In fact all babalawos are sometimes called gbedegbeyo. 

I couldn't tell you what speaking in tongues is.  I've heard tell that it is speaking the language of angels etc. I couldn't corroborate this for you. But I've heard pentecostal speak in tongues and it sounds nothing like the igedes and ofos that the babalawos incant.  These are in yoruba and though you might find one or two words that are ancient or of vague meaning any yoruba speaker will get the jist of what is being said. 
~Lady~ (f)
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #23 on: April 29, 2008, 06:47 PM »

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The advantage is that the western religion was a vehicle to adopt slavery and imperialism

You do know that Christianity isn't a western religion.

Do your research and you will see that Christianity existed in Africa before the west came. The Bible wasn't only in English you know.
Pastor AIO
Re: Indigenous Religion
« #24 on: April 30, 2008, 09:50 AM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on April 29, 2008, 06:47 PM
You do know that Christianity isn't a western religion.

Do your research and you will see that Christianity existed in Africa before the west came. The Bible wasn't only in English you know.

But christianity is still a foreign introduction.  That is Christianity as we know it today.  The doctrinal religion that was formulated by various church councils of the Roman empire over many centuries.

Actually the main problem is the concept of Africa.  That is the european concept.  Africa is not a separate cultural block or historical block.  Influence has always passed from African into europe and asia and vice versa.  As a landmass africa is the same as europe and asia.  They are all connected.  If some one draws a line on a map and says that one side is africa and the other middle east that doesn't change anything, traffic will still flow across the imaginary border. 
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