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wendymanda
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I don't think the renewable energy idea should be thrown out that quickly. Sweden and Ice land have both established intrinsic renewable energy systems and ohers are being researched. Ever heard of Hydrogen and solar powers all these are not just ideas but are being practices. Of course it is understandable that the Nigerian government have never of these when they have their heads up their butts. All the oil we do have does us no good anyways so why and how will we think far and intelligently enough into renewable energy.
Is there an energy ministry in Nigeria or is it just a crude oil industry?
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HR.hotness (f)
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what is all the fuss about renewable energy? Don't be foolish - even the so called 'developed countries' can't afford to use widespread renewable sources of energy YET,
Renewable energy does have a role to play, but for now, they can only serve as niche applications in areas far removed from the grid. What is required now is the settling of the pipeline vandalisation issue to allow gas to flow, and rapid completion of the NIPP project/ take off of new IPP's, anything else is a pipe dream.
the thing with renewable energy in this country especially is that they need alot of it (esp for heating needs) and they can't produce enough Nigeria on the other hand has enough land to grow bio diesel, flat lands with harnessable wind energy in the north, a length of coast to harness tidal energy,,, plus we don't need as much electricity and "developed nations" as we require no heating,,, and finally, we hav time on our side whereas they are desperate
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debosky (m)
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there is no 'sudden interest' oil is getting more expensive and more difficult to get - the countries are trying to secure their own future supplies first before going on any 'renewable' path. No one truly knows how much oil there is out there - areas like the Arctic may still contained vast untapped reserves, there might still be oil for the next 100 years, not to talk of coal which will be sufficient for the next 250 years. The renewable drive is basically to avert global warming - but the fact is most people will not pay more for something simply to be 'sustainable' - they like the idea, but pay more? Then they think twice. @ wendy I am not 'throwing away' renewable energy, the simple truth is that, at current prices, it will be FOOLISH of us to be seeking that as the solution. We cannot afford it. Hydrogen power? Where on earth do you think the Hydrogen comes from (80% of world supply)? Thats right - good ol Natural Gas  Why bother converting to hydrogen when you can burn the methane directly and generate power? even the largest solar growth markets - Germany are only growing as fast due to expensive subsidies which we cannot afford. I am certain that these technologies will not solve Nigeria's problem in the short to medium term - maybe in 20 years and upwards but not now. As regards the Ministries and what not, there is actually an initiative being considered to generate power from the 'mountains' of rice husks being produced in Abakaliki to initiate the 'renewable' energy drive, as well as another to produce substantial ethanol from sugar cane to begin to control demand for petroleum products. The only economical advantage we have at present is bio-diesel production and the likes - but in the face of rampant hunger in the land, I think using lad for that is morally wrong - feed your people first. The coast line we have is poor for power generation, the UK has the best tidal/coastal resources in the world and are yet to utilise it. Our problem is not reaching for those things far off, it is utilising what is readily available - natural gas being flared daily.
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HR.hotness (f)
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there is no 'sudden interest' oil is getting more expensive and more difficult to get - the countries are trying to secure their own future supplies first before going on any 'renewable' path.
No one truly knows how much oil there is out there - areas like the Arctic may still contained vast untapped reserves, there might still be oil for the next 100 years, not to talk of coal which will be sufficient for the next 250 years.
The renewable drive is basically to avert global warming - but the fact is most people will not pay more for something simply to be 'sustainable' - they like the idea, but pay more? Then they think twice.
Agreed,,, but part of the problem is the increasing demand whatever reserves may be found within the arctic might as well last only a few years and delay the inevitable but like every other oil deposit,,, it will run out,,, and then what global warming is a threat yes, but scientific studies hav shown that man can adapt to nature,,, the worst scenarios so far are still some time away and at worst will result in mass migration the immediate threat is peak oil tho, world economies will crash and if u think of how dependent we are on oil,,, food, transpot, electricity,,,, mans survival is linked to oil,,, too dependent on oil for comfort and thats what is scary
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debosky (m)
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peak oil? threat to the economy?
That is what was threatened in the late 70's as well, and the economies of the world adapted - they will adapt to any 'peak oil' scenario as well.
The world is a lot less dependent on oil than you think, the problem is that it has been way too CHEAP. When the price goes up, then people will start using oil for those functions that cannot be replaced by other products. Oil will probably never run out - it will get more and more expensive to extract, but it won't run out - there are many reserves which are currently 'unviable' due to high cost of production, as prices increase, more and more of these will become viable thus increasing oil's lifespan
People are complaining no doubt, but I don't see any drastic moves like reduced driving, reduced power use or the like - its nowhere near the crisis level it seems like. One other thing - once the Niger Delta issues settle down and normal oil pumping resumes, oil prices will drop a bit. Oil was $9 a barrel just in 1999 - the industry is highly cyclical and I wouldn't bet against another drop in prices occuring sometime in the future.
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4 Him (m)
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there is no dry land Nigeria is actually in a better position than most countries,,, our reserves are estimated to last another 50 or so years with current demands (keep in mind that demand is increasing)
some European countries hav reserves to last as low as 10yrs on current demands why do u think there is the sudden interest in reusable energy???
There is no dry land . . . easy to say from the relative comfort of the UK. The problem is not even how much oil we have, whether it will last for the next 400yrs makes no difference to the common man who can't even see the proceeds of the oil we have now. but rather than advocating people flocking out of the country, wouldn't it be better to start finding alternative sources of revenue to boost our gdp, like agriculture, tourism etc ?
That is all good on paper. Where is the political will to harness our non-oil resources? We once used to be the world's largest producer of oil palm, what happened? Its not as if these alternative sources were never being harnessed before . . . without oil we were still able to develop a strong economy well into the early 1960s on the back of agriculture alone. If you want to boost your earnings via tourismm then ensure your crime rate is lower, that you at least don't suffer 2 nationwide blackouts every week, that the niger delta is not rife with kidnappings, that the north is not a volatile center of islam'ic extremism . . .
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HR.hotness (f)
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There is no dry land . . . easy to say from the relative comfort of the UK. The problem is not even how much oil we have, whether it will last for the next 400yrs makes no difference to the common man who can't even see the proceeds of the oil we have now.
WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING???did u even read my post properly,,, dude!!!! ( don't knw y u take every opportunity to attack me) i meant we still hav oil in in Nigeria,,, so no need to go anywhere if it is managed properly, guess what country calls the shots America is running out and doing everything it can to hide the fact Gordon Brown has just signed off a new policy to ensure 10% of petrol should be made from bio fuels,,, what does that say to u, a country in trouble!,,, why would anyone want to leave their country to come here when d people themselves are think of leaving,,,
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Tonim (f)
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That is all good on paper. Where is the political will to harness our non-oil resources? We once used to be the world's largest producer of oil palm, what happened?
Its not as if these alternative sources were never being harnessed before . . . without oil we were still able to develop a strong economy well into the early 1960s on the back of agriculture alone. If you want to boost your earnings via tourismm then ensure your crime rate is lower, that you at least don't suffer 2 nationwide blackouts every week, that the niger delta is not rife with kidnappings, that the north is not a volatile center of the great religion'ic extremism . . .
The point I was trying to make was that, flocking out of the country is not going to make it any better. Also, we can go back to agriculture like we did before we discovered oil. We have to embrace commercial farming. The Kwara state project is a good example.
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debosky (m)
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I disagree 4HIm these 'alternatives' were not being harnessed for power at all, and lets face it - those 'good old days' can NEVER return, no modern economy can/will survive by exporting agricultural products like oil palm, that era is well and truly over.
What we do need to do is find ways to utilize agricultural waste for power generation, the rice husk initiative should be a good starting point to build local capacity in bio-mass combustion.
Rural areas would be the ideal place for such trials to be carried out - but for cities like Lagos, Abuja, P/H and the like, we require MASSIVE generation from gas or coal fired power plants, if we do not do that, we are pissing in the wind.
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bawomolo (m)
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clean coal power plants would be a good idea. Nigeria can also benefit from fuel cell technology, geothermal or solar power.
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Backslider (m)
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very Good approach to the problem.
The other time I was talking about the problem of Nigeria was not about generation but about transmission and distribution.
One of the key ingredient is resolved which is cost.
Now people will want to invest in power because of the cost and the more the investors power will be more cheaper.
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bawomolo (m)
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i don't think nigeria is generating enough given the hydro-dams are working below capacity.
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HR.hotness (f)
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i don't think nigeria is generating enough given the hydro-dams are working below capacity.
Hydro dams aren't efficient esp wher d river has been dammed in diff points i don't knw why wind power is not being harness, the north is ideal for this,,, also tidal turbines are very efficient and gaining more popularity,,, barbeach should be put to good use,,,, the problem with coal plants is the carbon emissions,,, also it isn't a renewable source, which is only delaying the problem
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bawomolo (m)
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the carbon emissions could be dealt with using CO2 trapping planets, the CO2 could be recycled for more applications. i believe the world has enough coal for about 200years. wind power doesn't produce enough energy though
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HR.hotness (f)
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the carbon emissions could be dealt with using CO2 trapping planets, the CO2 could be recycled for more applications. i believe the world has enough coal for about 200years. wind power doesn't produce enough energy though
but the technology doesnt exist yet,,, its all ideas and speculation right now,,, recycling CO2 is the ideal now but nobody knows how yet,,, the process still uses too much energy and defeats thewhole purpose really the thing with wind energy is that winds strengths cannot be predicted, large wind farms in the desert region are best as the landscape is relatively flat meaning the threat of windless days are massively reduced. the UK is harnessing offshore wind energy and that is also a way to go,,, the larger the wind turbine the more it can produce, imagine a farm of turbines and storage facilities for when energy production is in excess,,,  only a few days ago i visited a farm in the coastal region of wales the farmer successfully met his electricity requirements with one large turbine, he even produces excesses on most days and exports to the grid,,, if Nigeria is willing to invest it could be the solution to the energy crises,
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tulk2mi
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Well what can we do but 2 b optimistic. Its d same cock n bull story the past adminstration sold us, where did it end, an unexplained amount of money missing in transit n committee on energy n all what not been set up to probe them past adminsitration.
I hope that this time " due process" is followed to forestall against nu probe committee's or panel on energy being formed @ d dusk of this administration.
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landis (m)
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Well what can we do but 2 b optimistic. you got take your future in your hands. nigeria generating only 2,000MW yet they want to be 20best economies in 2020. the truth, to be 20 best economic you need atleast 60,000MW. For nigeria this is pipe dream! UK -> 80,371MW France -> 116,592MW Germany -> 124,268MW Italy -> 81,511MW Nigeria -> 2,000MW
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bawomolo (m)
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Well what can we do but 2 b optimistic. Its d same cock n bull story the past adminstration sold us, where did it end, an unexplained amount of money missing in transit n committee on energy n all what not been set up to probe them past adminsitration.
I hope that this time " due process" is followed to forestall against nu probe committee's or panel on energy being formed @ d dusk of this administration.
to be honest, it's time to cut the optimism out, it's time for nigerians to be active in private or in government.
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Kobojunkie
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Agreed,,, but part of the problem is the increasing demand
whatever reserves may be found within the arctic might as well last only a few years and delay the inevitable but like every other oil deposit,,, it will run out,,, and then what
global warming is a threat yes, but scientific studies hav shown that man can adapt to nature,,, the worst scenarios so far are still some time away and at worst will result in mass migration
the immediate threat is peak oil tho, world economies will crash and if u think of how dependent we are on oil,,, food, transpot, electricity,,,, mans survival is linked to oil,,, too dependent on oil for comfort and thats what is scary
If Peak Oil is western propaganda, why are we falling for it?? Why not continue with the the "oil and gas to save Nigeria" idea instead?? By the way, I don't know what it is you meant when you said America's supply is depleted but there is abundance of oil in the country, problem is environmentalists are too scared to drill their own oil as they are afraid "teddy" and "rudolf" will not have a home if we start doing that. Hence the reason why America continues to purchase oil instead.
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Kobojunkie
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It is possible to get about 20% of our supply for now from renewable means and then we can look into, infact, start working on Nuclear energy to fill the rest of the gap. France has been running on nuclear energy for decades now and are supposedly considered th best in the world. It is cheaper to acquire the technology now and safer compared to a couple of decades ago. There are now ways to handle most of the waste and it is definitely on of the quickest ways Nigeria can boost supply.
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Sky Blue
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The irony is that our underdevelopment in this sector is now something that can be exploited. Western countries are already entrenched in using the more traditional approach to power generation and hence most of the infrastructure in these countries are dedicated to these approaches and there is now a difficulty in simply building new factilities for other approaches. However we have little to no infrastructure so why not start from scratch in the right direction but using things like renewable energy as a supplement to modern and efficient power stations? As for Nuclear, i would be really nervous about this in Nigerian hands. I mean, a couple of year ago a plane in Port harcourt that was about to take of had to stop because there was a cow on the runway, and you want to put something like Nuclear eenergy in these same hands? LOL. I am not saying it is impossible and not viable, i am just saying i would be quite nervous about this, but Nigeria needs power.
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HR.hotness (f)
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If Peak Oil is western propaganda, why are we falling for it?? Why not continue with the the "oil and gas to save Nigeria" idea instead?? By the way, I don't know what it is you meant when you said America's supply is depleted but there is abundance of oil in the country, problem is environmentalists are too scared to drill their own oil as they are afraid "teddy" and "rudolf" will not have a home if we start doing that. Hence the reason why America continues to purchase oil instead.
the idea that there is no such thing as peak oil IS the propaganda,,, and America is running out fast, don't forget that they have ceased to be able to meet their demands a long time ago,,, as the worlds "super power" being dependent on another country for oil is very undesirable. I'm sure if they found new reserves they'd happily say good bye to "teddy" and "Rudolf" Dont knw if Nigeria is ready for nuclear energy, it requires alot of time and money to build and develop a nuclear reactor, plus there is the problem of storage and proper disposal of the waste radioactive uranium,,, when we can't properly manage common oil pipelines, u want them to handle radio active isotopes???
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HR.hotness (f)
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The irony is that our underdevelopment in this sector is now something that can be exploited. Western countries are already entrenched in using the more traditional approach to power generation and hence most of the infrastructure in these countries are dedicated to these approaches and there is now a difficulty in simply building new factilities for other approaches. However we have little to no infrastructure so why not start from scratch in the right direction but using things like renewable energy as a supplement to modern and efficient power stations? As for Nuclear, i would be really nervous about this in Nigerian hands. I mean, a couple of year ago a plane in Port harcourt that was about to take of had to stop because there was a cow on the runway, and you want to put something like Nuclear eenergy in these same hands? LOL. I am not saying it is impossible and not viable, i am just saying i would be quite nervous about this, but Nigeria needs power.
I totally agree,,, I actually wrote a paper proposing that the UK take a cue frm so called developing countries like India it simply a case of going back to basics the problem now is to get the developing countries (in this case, Nigeria) to slow down and take stock,,, it would be far easier for us to go the renewable and sustainable energy route than for developed countries
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Kobojunkie
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the idea that there is no such thing as peak oil IS the propaganda,,, and America is running out fast, don't forget that they have ceased to be able to meet their demands a long time ago,,, as the worlds "super power" being dependent on another country for oil is very undesirable. I'm sure if they found new reserves they'd happily say good bye to "teddy" and "Rudolf"
Dont knw if Nigeria is ready for nuclear energy, it requires alot of time and money to build and develop a nuclear reactor, plus there is the problem of storage and proper disposal of the waste radioactive uranium,,, when we can't properly manage common oil pipelines, u want them to handle radio active isotopes???
So, do you have a source for this PROPAGANDA of yours?? I would like to know where and how you came about this information of yours cause this is a first for me considering all I have heard and seen is the PEAK OIL Stategy being played over and over and even linked to global warming from over here on a daily basis. Note: I did not ask you of your idea of america as a whole but where exactly this NO PEAK OIL propaganda of yours comes from. Nuclear again, is not about what you personally think of it. Fact remains, Nigeria has been looking at it and I am glad the president is stepping out towards it already considering we already know of african nations that have been living with it for over a decade now and are not complaining. Like I mentioned earlier, we already have some of the world's nuclear experts in France who are willing to help and if we pay them well, we can get energy asap. I think the initiative started by the Kwara government, bringing in experts to help where we have failed can be applied to a great deal in the nuclear area as well. Countries around the world are doing this. Even Syria and Iran and I see no reason why Nigeria should consider to stand in the corner shivering when the word NUCLEAR is mentioned, considering the alternatives do not seem as promising.
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Uche2nna (m)
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the idea that there is no such thing as peak oil IS the propaganda,,, and America is running out fast, don't forget that they have ceased to be able to meet their demands a long time ago,,, as the worlds "super power" being dependent on another country for oil is very undesirable. I'm sure if they found new reserves they'd happily say good bye to "teddy" and "Rudolf"
Dont knw if Nigeria is ready for nuclear energy, it requires alot of time and money to build and develop a nuclear reactor, plus there is the problem of storage and proper disposal of the waste radioactive uranium,,, when we can't properly manage common oil pipelines, u want them to handle radio active isotopes???
I guess You beat me to it @ Kobo Granted, Nuclear energy might be a cheap way to go, but knowing how well we are "schooled in the art of maintenace" are you not passing a death sentence to Nigerians. I sometimes use radioactive elements in my experiments and I know the amount of training I had to go through to even qualify to use that. Not to talk of the amount of paperwork that follows each quantity of isotopes around. And these are just very small quantities.
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Kobojunkie
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I guess You beat me to it
@ Kobo Granted, Nuclear energy might be a cheap way to go, but knowing how well we are "schooled in the art of maintenace" are you not passing a death sentence to Nigerians. I sometimes use radioactive elements in my experiments and I know the amount of training I had to go through to even qualify to use that. Not to talk of the amount of paperwork that follows each quantity of isotopes around. And these are just very small quantities.
Well, maybe it is time we borrow from what others who happen to be in our place are doing as well. Instead of sitting and waiting for our schools to churn out minds that can handle such without making us nervous. Others are doing it. I see no reason why we should not at this time since we are in dire need of it.
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Uche2nna (m)
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Nuclear again, is not about what you personally think of it. Fact remains, Nigeria has been looking at it and I am glad the president is stepping out towards it already considering we already know of african nations that have been living with it for over a decade now and are not complaining. Like I mentioned earlier, we already have some of the world's nuclear experts in France who are willing to help and if we pay them well, we can get energy asap. I think the initiative started by the Kwara government, bringing in experts to help where we have failed can be applied to a great deal in the nuclear area as well. Countries around the world are doing this. Even Syria and Iran and I see no reason why Nigeria should consider to stand in the corner shivering when the word NUCLEAR is mentioned, considering the alternatives do not seem as promising.
This has nothing to do with personal opinions. This is the reality we (Nigerians) are going to be facing once we go nuclear. Unless if our maintenace culture is going to change over night, then we really have to be careful about messing with radioactivity.
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Uche2nna (m)
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Well, maybe it is time we borrow from what others who happen to be in our place are doing as well. Instead of sitting and waiting for our schools to churn out minds that can handle such without making us nervous. Others are doing it. I see no reason why we should not at this time since we are in dire need of it.
See , the money is there to emabark on stuff like this. I believe if we search well enough ,we might even have the personnel (Nigerians) that can carry out this. These are not the problems. The problem is in our mentality and the way we run our government. We hired Okonji-Iweala but did it stop Obj from doing his thing? We have to move in sensible and logical steps. Lets demonstrate a good maintenace culture in our roads, schools, hospitals and even the source of power we have now. Only when we can mangae that properly can we begin to think about cheaper , efficient but way more hazardous means of generating power. If u can't handle your pennies, then there is no way You can handle bundle of dollars.
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Kobojunkie
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This has nothing to do with personal opinions. This is the reality we (Nigerians) are going to be facing once we go nuclear. Unless if our maintenace culture is going to change over night, then we really have to be careful about messing with radioactivity.
Do you ever consider that maybe we are just not cut out for such?? I mean this whole Maintainance culture thing??? For the very fact that this problem exists in every facet of the Nigerian way of life, don't you think it is time we outsource that which we do not have naturally and focus on that which we can actually do??? I mean instead of waiting around until so many Nigerians adopt the maintainance culture, what if we get people to work on that part for us while we focus on where our strengths lie ( if we can now figure out where that is) and maybe catch up with the rest of the world, even with that problem still in fixing mode?? ROFLMAO!!!
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HR.hotness (f)
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So, do you have a source for this PROPAGANDA of yours?? I would like to know where and how you came about this information of yours cause this is a first for me considering all I have heard and seen is the PEAK OIL Stategy being played over and over and even linked to global warming from over here on a daily basis. Note: I did not ask you of your idea of america as a whole but where exactly this NO PEAK OIL propaganda of yours comes from.
the peak oil theory has been around for decades why is it only now that people are beginning to pay attention? why is the US government insisting ther is no oil crisis and yet meeting with the king of saudi arabia to beg for more oil,, and yet still in iraq controlling their oil reserves??? the only reason u hav heard and seen all u hav on peak oil is because the signs cannot be ignored any longer,,, the govt is being forced to take notice. suddenly going sustainabilty route has suddenly become the vogue and no one wants to be left out
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kingPINN (m)
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IT'S QUITE PATHETIC THAT THOSE IN GOVT ARE ALWAYS CHASING WHITE ELEPHANT PROJECTS. THERE TEND TO BE FOOD CRISIS IN THE COUNTRY NOW, PRICES OF FOOD ARE FAST SKY ROCKETING AND NOT WITHIN THE REACH OF AVERAGE NIGERIAN. THE BILLIONS TO BE SPENT IN SUBSIDIZING ELECTRICITY AS WE ALL KNOW WOULD SOON FIND THEIR WAY INTO THE POCKETS OF THE FEW RICH CABALS. THESE CABALS ARE SOMEWHERE LAUGHING AT US AND COUNTING ON THE FUTURE INCOME THEY WOULD MAKE FROM THESE, MALLAM YAR DUA,  You BETTER MAKE CONCRETE MOVES THAT WOULD LIGHTEN THE NATION,
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Uche2nna (m)
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@ Kobo So u mean getting the French to come set up a Nuclear power plant in Nigeria 
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