The Gospel Of Barnabas(the True Forgotten Gospel)

Chapter 51  JESUS HATH PITY ON SATAN/SATAN'S IMPENITENCE

When he had prayed to the Lord, his disciples came to him and said: "O master, two things we would know; one is, how you talked with Satan, who nevertheless you say is impenitent; the other is, how God shall come to judge in the day of judgment.' Jesus replied: "Truly I say to you I had compassion on Satan, knowing his fall; and I had compassion on mankind whom he tempts to sin. Therefore I prayed and fasted to our God, who spoke to me by his angel Gabriel: "What seek you, O Jesus, and what is your request?" I answered: "Lord, you know of what evil Satan is the cause, and that through his temptations many perish; he is your creature, Lord, whom you did create; therefore, Lord, have mercy upon him." God answered: "Jesus, behold I will pardon him. Only cause him to say, "Lord, my God, I have sinned, have mercy upon me," and I will pardon him and restore him to his first state." 'I rejoiced greatly," said Jesus, when I heard this, believing that I had made this peace. Therefore I called Satan, who came, saying: "What must I do for you, O Jesus?"I answered: "You shall do it for yourself, O Satan, for I love not your services, but for your good have I called you."

Satan replied: "If you desire not my services neither desire I yours; for I am nobler than you, therefore you are not worthy to serve me you who are clay, while I am spirit." "Let us leave this," I said, "and tell me if it were not well you should return to your first beauty and your first state. You must know that the angel Michael must needs on the day of judgment strike you with the sword of God one hundred thousand times, and each blow will give you the pain of ten hells." Satan replied: "We shall see in that day who can do most; certainly I shall have on my side many angels and most potent idolaters who will trouble God, and he shall know how great a mistake he made to banish me for the sake of a vile [piece of ] clay." Then I said: "O Satan, you are infirm in mind, and know not what you say."

Then Satan, in a derisive manner wagged his head, saying: "Come now, let us make up this peace between me and God; and what must be done say you, O Jesus, since you are sound in mind." I answered: "Two words only need be spoken." Satan replied: "What words?" I answered: "These: I have sinned; have mercy on me." Then Satan said: "Now willingly will I make this peace if God will say these words to me." "Now depart from me," I said, "O cursed one, for you are the wicked author of all injustice and sin, but God is just and without any sin." Satan departed shrieking, and said: "It is not so, O Jesus, but you tell a lie to please God." Now consider," said Jesus to his disciples, "how he will find mercy. They answered: "Never, Lord, because he is impenitent. Speak to us now of the judgment of God.

You still don't get it. Its not an OUTWARD SHOW of self . . . its the Holy Spirit in you making you do those things you presume to be a sign that you have repented. True repentance does not need to be forced . . . the Spirit of God in you leads you to do those things that your carnal man would have found impossible to do.


 - You still havent told us WHY purgatory also has an unquenchable fire of torment. Is it a mini hell?
 - Why will christians who will go to heaven still have to pass through purgatory?
 - Why do we have to pay for our sins in purgatory when Christ's death and resurrection on the cross paid it all?
 - Most importantly, you still havent told us WHERE the idea of purgatory is in the bible.

 You wont understand because you choose not to. God created man already . . . why did He have to send Jesus Christ to redeem us again since we were already made in His image in the begining?


Jesus is in heaven.

Before you start asking straightforward answers make sure you have provided one yourself when asked.

 - Where is Mary regarded as the ark of the covenant in the bible?

Lady, apart from the fact that i got NO straightforward bible-based answers to the questions i asked i do have a few comments to make if you don't mind.


The Holy Spirit in every genuine born again child of God is there to guide, to teach, to reprove and to comfort. After Christ's death and resurrection, God moved away from the group effect to a personal relationship with each of us as individuals. The church is simply there as a support group.

You as an individual should have an idea what God wants from you as a christian not the church. Take your time to study the scriptures, be like the Berean christians who would rather study than take everything Apostle Paul said hook line and sinker.


That is correct . . . the bible says flee all appearance of the devil.

You need to acknowledge that you have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. You need actually be sorry for those sins, rather than just going to the confessional and saying Father forgive me for I have sinned. It will really count for nothing and you are only fooling yourselves. - ma'am, this is the same thing as salvation. What really is penance?

people always have it in mind that the Priest will be judging them and that they are only man, but while they are only man they have been charged to do as Christ did on earth. - ma'am who gave them this charge and WHERE is it in the bible? Are we not ALL christians given the same authority on earth as the priests or have i read my bible upside down?

It is not by their authority, but by the authority of God when he breathed on them and asked them to forgive sins, but all this cannot be done without Christ. - WHERE in the bible did Christ tell them to go forgive sins?
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Afet telling your sins, you listen to the Priest and trust me he always has something useful to say. In all my experiences of going to the confessional, I have never walked out without enlightenment. I went to confessional once and the Priest did not know me, but I promise you it's like he knew my whole life story. When he started telling me these things I was shocked and he asked me if he was right, I said yes and we just started laughing. He recommended a book to me that will help me with the problem that I had. My penance has usually been in the form of prayer. While praying I realise that not only am I helping others but I am also helping myself in the process.

 - Ma'am, reading through the book of acts tells me this is a strange and clearly manmade manner of repentance.
When the apostles led others to Christ, they prayed for them, baptised them both in water and the Holy Spirit and straightway opened the scriptures to them . . .

Where in the bible is yours above depicted? What book helps you with a problem better than the bible?

My question still stands . . . how does penance differ from salvation? Repentance comes by the conviction by the Holy Spirit . . . it has nothing to do with your own self-flagellation.


Was this SPECIFICALLY to the 11 disciples only? We know this is wrong because men like Stephen, Timothy, Silas . . . who did not recieve this charge also did same.


Again how was this specific to your priests? This is a charge that is required of everyone that is born of the Holy Spirit.
Where have your priests done as the apostles by going to the uttermost parts of the earth to preach the gospel rather than cocoon themselves in stone buildings?
Where have they gone out healing the sick, raising the dead and casting out unclean spirits?
Where have they cleansed lepers and cast out demons?
Why are they so fixated on forgiving sins and hearing confessions? Why do they want to usurp the authority of the Holy Spirit?


I choose to tackle the issue of power to forgive sins. We as mortal man DO NOT have the power to remit sins . . . only the blood of Jesus Christ can cleanse ALL unrighteousness. You can spin isolated bible verses all you want.

There are plenty of gospel verses talking about "forgiving" those who wrong us . . . which is in the context the quotation you have taken from John's gospel. It in no way avers that we can go about telling people their sins are cleansed UNTIL they come to the saving grace of Christ.


Acts 17: 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

There are several instances of the Apostles quoting from Isaiah, the Psalms, and the books of Moses . . . if those are not the scriptures then show me your own.

Well I haven't been to purgatory, so I don't know if there actually is a fire, or if it's something else.
Maybe you might want to find out?


Because Christians die even with sin. And heaven will not permit any sin.

Revelation 21:27
 but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Why do you pay for your sins on earth even if Christ's death and resurrection on the cross pais it al? Stop sounding like an infant.


Then you have been skipping my posts.

You still haven't given an explanation of how it is God recreated heaven.


Because we sinned? Is this the best you can do?

Now why did God recreate the heavens after Christ's death?


OH MY GOSH ARE YOU SERIOUS? I really thought he was in paradise and that paradise was different from heaven. Remember, the fathers of the OT ended up in paradise and Christ told the thief on the cross that he would be in Paradise with him? Oh my gosh how then did Christ end up in heaven? That means that the thief is not in with Christ as Christ told him he's be. Argghhh!!!! OMG!!! It seems like Christ lied. Christ deceived him, telling him that he was going to be in Paradise with him, but he clearly left paradise and went to heaven, leaving that poor thief who believed in him alone in paradise.


Where is the FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST, regarded as the TRINITY in the Bible?

You answered not a single question, you have simply gone the olabowale route . . . drown your inability to provide straightforward, short and direct to the point answers in a deluge of words that don't really say nothing when you go through them with a fine tooth comb.

I'll be providing ripostes in a sec.

still the same round-about argument. Repentance i know, baptism i know . . . but what is penance? Is there any chance you will provide a direct definition backed up by the scriptures?


please don't confuse catholic priesthood with the apostolic faith of the ancient apostles.
Apparently you don't realise that laying on of hands is not solely for the purpose of imparting the Holy Ghost.

1 Timothy 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.


That is not new, we all know this. The problem is that you're trying in vain to tie the apostolic ministry to the catholic priesthood . . . the apostles did not practice those manmade doctrines you espouse.


We hear catholics going for charity missions, we hear of building of hospitals, building schools and helping the poor. However the one thing that is needful is that which they have neglected - the preaching of the gospel to the lost!


the biblical men of God were not exorcists using candles and such to drive out demons.


nay, forget my tone. I am not angry one bit.


Still the usurp the authority of the Holy Ghost no?


We all account INDIVIDUALLY to Christ on the last day . . . what my pastor chooses to do does not concern me. Many atheists do the above and beyond . . . are they going to heaven too?


don't confuse the two . . . John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Note that scripture does not say "to as many priests as recieved Him" which in effect means we ALL have the power given to us by the workings of the Holy Spirit to do those things that Christ did.

The power to forgive sins? Nay we don't! Again you are misquoting brother Peter in 2 Corinthians . . . did you read that chapter from verse 1 or you just picked the verse that most suited your argument?

Lets see verses 5 But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.   6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
   7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

Was he talking of forgiveness of sin unto salvation here?
So if you offend me and i forgive you is it the same as Christ forgiving you by cleansing you with the blood He shed on the cross of calvary?


By the same authority given to them in John 1:12. What has this to do with the power to forgive SINS?


Any sanctified believer can do this . . . burial and all the razzmatazz attached to it is manmade . . . here is what Christ Himself had to say - Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.


Any believer filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost has the power to lead you in baptism. The idea that it must be a "minister" has no basis in the scriptures. Timothy was but a youth when he began to exercise his gifts in the body of Christ.


Who told you? The new testament as you read it were letters by the apostles to their various churches that were actively read during services.


see above.

If you think that penance is separate from repentance then you haven't ben paying any attention.
It is called the sacrament of repentance, the sacrament of confession, the sacrament of penance, the sacrament of reconciliation, it is the same sacrament.


Catholic priesthood is based upon the faith of the ancient apostles, now if you will please answer the question that I asked. What was the point of laying their hands on them? They were already filled with the Spirit, why did they lay their hands on them?


Oh on the contrary they defined those "manmade" doctrines. That is why the Church pays attention to tradition and the Scriptures. Cause see before you had the scriptures that you base everything solely on, those apostles were handing down tradtions and teachings that are taught today in the Church. If you think that all the actions and teachings of the apostles are in the New Testament, then you're an idiot (sorry) and you clearly don't know the history of The Church and the Bible.


It is ignorant of you to confess that the Catholics go out on missions and do God's work and yet they don't preach the gospel when we all know that there are many Parishes all around the world and that where these Priests and missionaries go a Parish and Christian community is formed. And mass is mandatory to be held everyday, how then do they not preach the gospel?

But wait, you changed your mind, I thought they didn't do these things. Wasn't that your original point? Don't switch now, go hard or home, continue with your old points.


HAHAHAHA DUDE, You really think candles are used to drive out demons?
I pray by my bed, does that mean that with my bed God will answer my prayers?
I turn on my lamp to read, do I have to have the lamp in order to read?



Prove it. Are you trying to become a pastor and you know that you won't be a part of the apostolic succession, so you're angry? (j/k)


So if your pastor is married and continually commits adultery, you will continue to attend his church?
If your pastor blasphemes, which he does, you will continue to attend his church?
Based on the fact that he is accountable for his own on judgment day?
Please this is not an issue of atheist.


Then anyone should be able to baptise people then. How many have you baptised?
Anyone can perform wedding rites in the Church, anyone can perform funeral rites then?


So why then did Paul forgive them? I read through the whole passage. I know what it says, but I want you to tell me why Paul forgave what they forgave.


Yes. If I offend you, I also offend Christ because you are a part of Christ's body. When I seek forgiveness from you, I should also seek forgiveness from Christ. Just as Christ said when you do for the others you do for him, when you do not do ofor others you do not do for him. When you sin against others you sin against God.

When you steal from me, you sin against me and against God.
When you lie to me, you sin against me and against God.


As the Father sent him, so he sent them. There is a reason why he was straight forward, whatever sins you forgive is forgiven them, and whatever sins you do not forgive is not forgiven them.

If Christ was talking to them about the sins man commit against them, then why would he tell them whichever sin you retain is retained when in the Lord's prayer we ask God to forgive us sins as we forgive our debtors. Christ gave an example of this type of forgiveness when he spoke of the parable of the unforgiving servant. How can we ask God to forgive us when we don't forgive others?

That is not what Christ was talking about when he said" As the Lord sent me, so I send you, Receive the Spirit whose sins you forgive are forgiven, whose sins you retain are reatined."
It is clear as day.


So should the dead come to bury the dead, how can this be when they're dead? (I really can't wait for you to respond to this)


Oh but you forget that he was given a charge by Apostle Paul. Do you not see apostolic succession in that? Timothy didn't show up out of no where and get the authority to preach. Paul commissioned him and told him what he should do. Remember 1 Timothy and 2Timothy. Don't make me write out the two books.


You did!!!! I asked a question and this is what you gave to me You gave me the OT.

Which above, there are many above. I need to you to be specific on your directions, but more so, how is it that the disciples could baptise with the Holy Spirit. I thought only God could?


Sweet heart whether or not fire is in purgatory, does not mean that purgatory does not exist.
Well why don't you answer for me? Didn't God have Paradise and heaven and hell? Isn't paradise and heaven separate? And then now don't we just have heaven and hell? Didn't God recreate his universe his parallels. After Christ came didn't he eliminate paradise because the fathers went to paradise and now that Christ is here they're in heaven and paradise is eliminated because there is now a mediator and it''s not needed.


One more time how does this negate what the Catholics preach? Who said that we as humans have the power to cleanse ourselves of our sins?
I just don't get it.


hahaha you are so naive. Please why did Ananais and Sapphira die? Weren't they part of the community of the Church, to be a part of the community of the Church, shouldn't you have received salvation by the blod of the Lamb? So why did they die since they already had salvation by the blood of the Lamb? certainly they believed they did


How did you know they were bereft of the real issues if you didn't read them? Don't be stupid go and read and then comment on them. Don't forget to give an interpretaion of the true meaning of the verses quoted.


So you agree that God did creation over. Hmmm nice to know. Show me where he builds in the book of John.


Oh no, I was detailed so that you won't misunderstand me. Now stop hiding and face it. Answer why Christ is in heaven whereas he told the thief he would be in paradise and going by your reasoning paradise and heaven are different. So why did Christ lie to the thief and tell him that he will be with him in Paradise?
I will separate the words for you.

OH MY GOSH ARE YOU SERIOUS? I really thought he was in paradise and that paradise was different from heaven.

Remember, the fathers of the OT ended up in paradise and Christ told the thief on the cross that he would be in Paradise with him?
Oh my gosh how then did Christ end up in heaven?
That means that the thief is not in with Christ as Christ told him he'll be.
Argghhh!!!! OMG!!! It seems like Christ lied. Christ deceived him, telling him that he was going to be in Paradise with him, but he clearly left paradise and went to heaven, leaving that poor thief who believed in him alone in paradise.

Now address this issue.


And I still don't see the word TRINITY. WHERE IS THE WORD "TRINITY"?

It says Father, Word, Holy Ghost, but it does not say TRINITY.




























I am happy for you.

Stop wallowing in biblical ignorance. Have you ever heard about the Comma Johanneum ==>

The Comma Johanneum is a comma (a short clause) contained in most translations of the First Epistle of John published from 1522 until the latter part of the nineteenth century, owing to the widespread use of the third edition of the Textus Receptus (TR) as the sole source for translation. In translations containing the clause, such as the King James Version, 1 John 5:7-8 reads as follows (with the Comma in bold print):

    5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

The resulting passage is an explicit reference to the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and for this reason some Christians are resistant to the elimination of the Comma from modern Biblical translations. Nonetheless, nearly all recent translations have removed this clause, as it does not appear in older copies of the Epistle and it is not present in the passage as quoted by any of the early Church Fathers, who would have had plenty of reason to quote it in their Trinitarian debates (for example, with the Arians), had it existed then. Most Churches now agree that the theology contained in the Comma is true, but that the Comma is not an original part of the Epistle of John.

See => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

What is that supposed to teach us?
You cry about me wallowing in biblical ignorance and then promptly proceed to use extra-biblical rubbish to explain it? A comma to explain the scriptures? totally laughable. Imhotep clear space make i see road, don't have time for modern day pharisees.


You have merely behaved like the muslims, attempt to wangle ur way through with another isolated, misquoted bible verse.
We are saved by grace not by the law, Christ said He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Let me provide an example - why did Christ heal on the sabbath day?
Why did He allow His disciples to eat with unwashen hands?

Was He not nullifying the law?

Rubbish! You have people who can't connect dots spouting unbiblical thrash.