The Gospel Of Barnabas(the True Forgotten Gospel)

No, it seems rather that you are struggling desperately to run away again.

If indeed we assume that the fraud of ishmael being the beneficiary of Abraham's blessings is true . . . why did ALL all'ah's so-called prophets now come from the lineage of Isaac for 4000 straight years?
Where is the history of ishmael and his people IN THE QU'RAN?

@~Lady~: You spoke presumptiously. There is no Christian in my life, except M.US.l.i.ms. In my future, I meant there is at least an opening for a christian, who in time will become a m.us.li.m. I spoke in african expression and David got it.












It is different because from whatever remains of the truth that was given to Jesus, we see in the Bible that Jesus prayed to a Lord God Who is different and Superior to him. The One Who accepts or rejects prayers. The One Who's Will must be done, instead of the will of Jesus. I have only used the prayer at the garden of Geshimene to argue my point here. I will argue further if it is not clear to you. Thats after you have studied that portion of the Bible!










You will not tell me that none of the desciples had issues with Paul, would you? I will get one to whet your appetite, later.












It is 100% word of God because no man had any of his own words in it. You will know that if a person were to produce a master piece, he will not give the credit to some other entity. So with that in mind, how can this man who was unlettered produce a masterpiece likw the Q/u.r'an and he gave the full credit to God, an Unseen entity? The only reason he could have done such a thing is because he was not the writer all along. The Witer is God and he deserves His glory. And what bits and pieces are you talking about. tell me something that you can point out that is a lie from it? Read the whole Bible, there is no mention of Pharaoh of Moses body. But the Q.u/r'an confirms that his body was preserved, and why it was preserved!











Theories that are riddled with assuptions. If God were to tell anyone about His nature, the prophets before Jesus had that right. The message would not deviate from after Jesus message. There would never have been any inconsistencies.











Was Mu, hamm.ad not a man? Was he not after all of them? Was he not therefore in the position to correct the previous mistakes of those "inspired writer?'












God said that He will not burden human more than the capability of the human. The way God manifest Himself is not contrary to human capability to understand and human logic to appreciate. God is capable ofdoing all thing. But there are somethings he will not do. he will not be Unjust, hence the original sin, will not wah. If it did, all the children who died without committing any sins of their own will go to hellfire/lake of fire, according to that concept.

And as per the majesty of God, He will not humiliate Himself at the hands of creations to save creations. And as per what is written in the Bible, there is no guarantee that those who accepted the process of trinity will not have a single one of them going to Hellfire/lake of fire. And my proof is in the Bible itself, Jesus said that not all who called him god will be saved. And those who will not be saved will even say that they performed great healing by his name, but even their statement will not make him protect them from hell fire/lake of fire. Finally, in the Bible, it is stated that God is not the author of confusion. Now tell me, which is correct between God is One and then He is three? Which is just and merciful in judging a person by the truth in belief and worship and work versus condemning a child who died because of the sin that is Original, committed by the first couple?












I will have to sift through the admixtures of paul, peter, etc and after all of that Jesus word, in paraphrasing will be just a handful. Is that what you want?












My God A.lla.h the Almighty can do everything. Yet He says in His book that somethings do not befit His Majesty. You know, like death, etc. he is the Creator, hence has the power to forgive without anyone challenging His decision. He does not have the human insticts which he created for us. So there is no need for a child for any purpose. Did He not ransome the son of Ibrahim from the intent of Ibrahim to slaughter that son in order to demostrate the obedience in the commandment that he knew he had to fulfil? Yet there was no shephard who lost am animal. That is the Power of the Almighty. I will the rest alone until future discussion.












But no m.US.lim worships Idol. Idol is the very thing I/s.lam destroys, be it that of the physical or imagined in the earth. If anyone qualifies for idolators, it would not be from I.s.lam. When Makka fell to the power of i/s.lam, the only thing destroyed were the 360 idols. There was none of them left standing.

I will leave the matter of idolatry alone when it comes to christianity, since my intention is not to offend anybody.













I never needed Barnabas, etc for anything. And my belief ing that Jesus is a worthy prophet and his apostles were his helpers in spreading his prophetic mission, all are from Qu.r.'an and Sunnah. I am satisfied.












Thats new to me. And i read the Q'ur, 'an daily. You should dirrect where God said He had three children or any  child regardless of the gender. I am giving you a major leeway here. I will not even talk about the temptations of Christ in the Bible. Or the not knowing about the season of the fig.












I am sure you are very familiar with rhetoric questioning. Please provide the verses where God says in the Q.u.r'an that He had ay child, daughter or daughters or son or whatever. Anywhere.













It is clear that Ibrahim, who was from Ur city in Iraq, could never have been Jewish. Its impossible for the Nigerians who are in Russia, regardless of their citizenship there to be refered to as Ethnic Russians. It is therefore impossible that Ibrahim would be known by an ethnic name that is culled from Juhah, the brother of Joseph.

But what is interesting is that the covenant that was between god and ibrahim covered all his children. A sign of this is circumcision of the males. All arabs are circumcised. Not only Jews have this. I am circumcised and i am not even a jew, neither by blood nor by religion! But in time, after Jesus God in His Infinite Mercy raised Muha.mm.ad from the Arabs, a direct lineage of Ismail, the first and if for a short time, an only son of Ibrahim. nor where is the confusion? At least Ibrahim, the friend of God knew his children in essence more than you or me.












Even in bad situation you can see a silver lining. What I praise God for in His writing is what I praise God for in His Majesty. Afterall, God is One Lord. It is the truth that i see in the heap that stands to be examined. God is not man or woman and He is not weak and no one can overtake Him. No eyes had ever seen Him.








Are mankind not all brothers and sisters? Are we not all children of Adam and Eve? Are Yorubas and Binis not even children of the same father, Oduduwa? Even some Onisha people have told me that their story is from the story of the yorubas. How interesting is that? What are the odds? You have Oba in Benin. Your iyashere, ojumu are all present in owo, ondo state. Ondo state is part of Yoruba you know!












I wonder if you want to deceive a person, why not deceive that person all the way. Why just stop at the middle, especially to give praise to thae person and his mother. I see that Jesus' mother was really spoken about in the bible. But the Q.u.r'an called her the best from womanhood. I wonder if i will call a Russian the best woman over my Nigerian women. Except i am forced by a powerful force that I can not refuse. Give me the last names of the gospel writers, since it is according to, it suggests that somebody else wrote them.












There lies the truth about the for sure future change of word from the bible, since it has to be written in the style of the day. Future is a day that will come, but not yet here!














And i remember it well. I am sure Moses would have told us that his God lord who defamed Pharaoh and his power was more than 1. But he didn't. Hwe only spoke about One Singularly God who holds all Power!











The last I checked, M.u. h.ammad was a direct descendant of Ismail who was the first son of Ibrahim. And it was Ibrahim who All.ah the Almighty God had a direct alliance with, whom He called His friend. Not not Issac, nor, Jacob, nor Joseph , nor his brother Judah who is the father of the true tribal Jews, a branch from the total group known as Children of Israel. I don't even hear about the josephites, who was the prophet that his father Jacob and all his brothers, including Judah bow down to, as fulfilment of his dream. The last I checked, God is not beholding to any man or group or tribe or nation of mankind. It is they, all who need and depend on Him. How long should god correct a perso or people before he punishes them? Did He not punish Sodom and gomorrah before Issac was even born? Did he not wipe out mankind to just a handful in the time of Noah? When God Almighty decided to end the His relationship with the jews, he did not need any permission from anyone. Not even any Angel.













There is no trial in the vocabulary of God. he commands. He decides. he knows all things, including the outcome of it and the "hour!" God Almighty has confirmed that there is no Prophet and or Messenger after M.u.ha.mmad. God confirmed in the Qur.'an that He has perfected the deen of I.s.lam as a completion of favors of religious process of worship on mankind, through Mu.ha.mmad.  He further states that whoever comes in the day of judgement with any other deen, different from i.s.l.am, it will be rejected and will not be accepted. That person will be a loser.













If this is your argument, it is a weak one. The different between you and M.u.ha.mmad are many: First you are woman, and there is no woman prophet from Isla.mi.c perspective. Those who vouched for the great quality of M.u.ha.mmad were everyone in his town. I doubt if you are known by every one in that same vein in your neighborhood. And there is no proven miracles through you. And by the way, it is the very book that he said was revealed to him in a period of 23 years is standing on change for over 1400 years and counting. In that book, it is stated that God will protect the book till the end of time, while the "inspired Bible" never stopped making a shift eevr so slightly, till the end of time. My darling, I have too many things to say, but its best to just wait till for future opportunity to say some of it.
What is the difference between Muhaaamad and Joseph Smith? Didn't both of them receive revelations from an angel of God? Weren't both of them annoyed with their societies? Do you see the parallel there?












lol. And you promise me to open a thread for this purpose. Am waiting. And by the way, how do you figure that you can even use the bible written by the inspired men in their own words to proof anything to me? I will not allow you the luxury. (Am grinning).










I guess that Adolf Hitler believed and am sure before he died, he should have asked for forgiveness. He was under the spirit, like every believing Christian. And what  I inherited from Adam was the process of seeking forgiveness, the knowledge that the devil is an open enemy to me, and many others. But I do not inherit from him an original sin which will not be forgiven. And if God does not forgive, then the person is doomed!















If you know anyone who can tell you how Oba of Benin addresses himself , you will hear that it is what we call "Majestic pronoun; the we and us!"  Even if parent talk to a child, the parent may use plural for him or herself. My dear I will touch up on that later. But it is not that a person is more than 1 when a King uses plural for himself. Listen to the Queen of England.












Is there another earth that Musl.li.m's Qur'a, n needs to talk about, except the same earth that we all share, all mankind, regardless of religion? Is there any othe Phatraoh of Moses, or Moses and the children of Israel? This is why you see that Qur'a.n is better suited to correct all that is wrong with fallacous Books. And in the long run the truth as it has always been with the prophets before the pens of the men began to corrupt them, is now preserved, finally in a Book standing uniquely alone.













I will only respond to the christians are not from this earth statement. But for now you are here, on the earth alive. Is anything that you do on this earth relevant to your destination in heaven for either paradise or Fire of hell? Will there be anything that you do in heaven that will qualify you all of a sudden for either Paradise or Hell fire? Are christians created differently from non Christians? What are we talking about here?

Olabowale, you had an entire page rebuttal and NOT IN A SINGLE LINE did you address the central question - what happened to the ishmaelites between the period of his alleged sacrifice and the advent of moh'ammad?

@4Him: You are suffering from cronic delution. And I see that this is because of your hatred for anything other than Israelites and Jesus. Well there were and there are peoples other than Isralites on earth. And there were prophets who were more beloved to God before Jesus and there was a prophet who was most beloved after him. Deal with it.

It is almost sickening responding to you, but my hope in your future turning around keeps me going forward. You are a classic example of the Qu.r.'anic verse of blind, deaf and dumb in Baqarah. Do you know everyday to day events in the lives of the Children of Israel from the time they arrived in Egypt during the time of Joseph authority to just before the prophethood of M.u.h.ammad was announced in Arabia? If you don't know, except the religious note worthy events, then you already have the answer that alluded you about the Arabs of Makka. It is very obvious that it was a trading route, and a centere of Paganism because of the many idols in the Kaaba. It is obvious if you had thought about it that the place used to be visited annually in their Pilgrimage.


 In the Q.ur.'an the chapter titled the elephant's event ossurred in the year of the birth of the prophet. It is obvious that from fewer people who arrived after Ismail and his mother were left there had swelled to a noticeable crossroad city among the arabs. It is because of the pilgrimage that prompted the people of the elephant to mount an assult against it.

My question to you is this, whats purpose does it serve you to know their preis.slamic period, but then you refused the is.lam that sprang from them to benefit the rest of the world?  Aren't you being dishonest here? You are confronted with the truth, you are rejecting it. But you want to know what was happening to them in the time of their ignorance! All they were doing was doing evil and Is.l.am came to eradicate all of the evils. It came to eradicate idolatry, adultory, killing of their daughters who they often buried alive, generational wars and rancours between tribes and families, lack of worship to God, except that they set up mediator/intercessor/savior (does this ring a bell?), etc. All of the ills, Is.l.am came to eradicate them.

@Backslider; Its very hard to know what you mean. But if you are saying that Q.u.r'a.n does not have any history except what the Bible contain, then I ask you where is Luqman in the Bible? Or where is the information about the body of Moses Pharaoh? If you mean that what historical process that brought about the Q.u.r'an, then i will ask you the same thing about the Bible, in general. But when you read the history of Mu.h.ammad, you will understand better. All in all, i do not understand your question, so my answers above are just my effort to read between the lines.









There were no contradictory hadith in this time. The word hadith itself is the saying of this noble prophet. Hadith are being formed by his saying, so there could not have been contradictions. There are gradual weaning of drunks from drinking for example. And there are gradual processes that stopped the people who used to have sexual orgies from stopping it altogether. there was gradual process of getting them to pray to compulsion to pray. There was gradual stoppage of people talking in the prayer from total silence and full concentration in prayer. I wonder if these are your confusions? To bring a people who used to have intercessors and saviors numbering over 300 to direct worship of One True God who is Unseen is a contradiction to you, then I see why you limit your intercessor to one and your gods to three. In all you may not be better than them with 300 plus intercessors.










You mean fire of lake. You have no hell in Christianity. I guess your christianity will lead you to heaven and not Paradise.  But in heaven, there are 7 heavens. I gues you don't know which one is your heaven. I don't want to surprise you that in heaven, presently, there is hell and paradise already. And since you have no understanding of Paradise, i guess you will have to go to the other place in heaven.









After you tell me the history of Christianity before Jesus. You find me taking you to task, right away.








There was no dispute about who the father of M.u.ha.mmad was. Or who is grandfather was, or his great grandfather. There was no dispute who his forebearer was to Ibrahim, in the bloodline of Ibrahim. So where is your problem and why the hot on the collar matter?


You may not know that it is because of the fact that Mary was unmarried at the time of the birth of Jesus was the singular reason the Jews accused her of infidelity. If she were married already, it will be hard pressed for her to remain a Virgin pass the first night of her marriage to a normal husband. Maybe you will argue that Joseph was a sexual invalid. (Even me at this age, no woman will last the night with me, remaining a Virgin as my wife. Then you will have to explain that it is temporary condition which Joseph suffered, and the Bible failed to record it). We also find that Joseph fathered Jesus brothers, which you are insinuating that they are also Mary's children. If you look at all of these, the Bible must have omitted many factual information, or embellished many to provide a very far fetched concept, or both.








And I did not. Why would i use fraud when there is truth available to me. The prophet was not happy to see that Umar read the bible. The part of what he read happened to be true because he saw it in the Qur.'a.n. Yet the master was there with him, alive and there was no need to go into what may be a mixture of some truth and alot of lies.
 
 

@4Him

we are going further to the topic lol

do you really like to trace the lineage of Ishmael 4000 years back?

or you just like to make a non sense diversion the story of Barnabas? 

Take the first challenge  head-on if you dare 

The second poser? well, i thought we had already established the fact the so-called gospel of barnabas is a fraud. Where were you all this while? Start reading from the beginning friend.

4Him, you are making so much sense. Fire on. These guys are just not getting it!

No one is denying anything, you still find yourself running around my earlier question -  what has Ishmael to do with the sons of Isaac?
Why is your qu'ran so pre-occupied with the history, prophets, customs and stories of the sons of Jacob?


Thou hypocrite, where is the story of Ishmael's wife and her own sons? What has the qu'ran to do with the sons of Isaac?


What became of the grandsons of Ishmael? What has the qu'ran to do with the sons of Jacob?


Where is the prophet to the sons of Ishmael? What has Moses and the jews to do with is'lam?


Oh thou hypocrite, how can we compare? Where are the good deeds that the sons of Ishmael did as recorded in ur qu'ran? Again . . . what has the evil deeds of the jews got to do with is'lam?


Why is this a problem to you? where are ishmael's prophets?


accuser of the brethren . . . what has the actions of the jews to do with is'lam? What were the sons of ishmael up to at this period?


Why don't we have the history of the children of Ishmael onward to mo'hammad? Why can you not learn true belief and steadfastness from them?


Oh thou inverterate liar, where are these stories in the qu'ran?


The greeks gave us democracy.
Where are these "rights" you speak of in mus'lim nations? Show us oh thou liar.


is this the same constitution in places like Saudi Arabia?

A long tale full of hogwash, failed woefully to tackle the real questions rather preferring to perambulate in the darkness of deceit.

@Backslider: I am laughing at you. Your most high was the one who was staked on the cross? If he could not defeat those crudely armed mob, how is he going to be able to stand the warring of a modern day well equiped man? He will be doomed again in equal time as before or faster,you see. Except he was not the true MOST HIGH.

Why worshipping in another way like the Onisangos or the Aborishas of the Yorubas? It reminds of Salvadorian people of Brazil who are still pursuing their Yoruba agenda in all things including worship. They now call Yamaja, yemaya, and a veriety other Yoruba religions, mixing them with a splice of Christianity. The Cuban and the Panamanians, etc are just the same.

I don't think these people actually vie too far off from christianity; they have an intercessor (the idol) and they call it their savior. Backslider, I continue to invite you to I.s,lam, the same way I invited Ndidi, who immediately reverted, Bola who took a longer time to accept and my mother who finally did. The door of the mercy of Al Rahman is wide and is open. Accept guidance and be benefitted. Jesus will never be able to save you. It is a guarantee from The TRue Most High.

Chapter 21   Jesus healeth a demoniac, and the swine are cast into the sea.  Afterwards he healeth the daughter of the Canaanites.

Jesus went up to Capernaum, and as he drew near to the city behold there came out of the tombs one that was possessed of a devil, and in such wise that no chain could hold him, and he did great harm to the man.
The demons cried out through his mouth, saying: 'O holy one of God, why art thou come before the time to trouble us?' And they prayed him that he would not cast them forth.
Jesus asked them how many they were. They answered: 'Six thousand six hundred and sixty-six.' When the disciples heard this they were affrighted, and prayed Jesus that he would depart. Then said Jesus: 'Where is your faith? It is necessary that the demon should depart, and not I.' The demons therefore cried: 'We will come out, but permit us to enter into those swine.' There were feeding there, near to the sea, about ten thousand swine belonging to the Canaanites. Thereupon Jesus said: 'Depart, and enter into the swine.' With a roar the demons entered into the swine, and cast them headlong into the sea. Then fled into the city they that fed the swine, and recounted all that had been brought to pass by Jesus.
Accordingly the men of the city came forth and found Jesus and the man that was healed. The men were filled with fear and prayed Jesus that he would depart out of their borders. Jesus accordingly departed from them and went up into the parts of Tyre and Sidon.
And lo! a woman of Canaan with her two sons, who had come forth out of her own country to find Jesus. Having therefore seen him come with his disciples, she cried out: 'Jesus, son of David, have mercy on my daughter, who is tormented of the devil! Jesus did not answer even a single word, because they were of the uncircumcised people. The disciples were moved to pity, and said: 'O master, have pity on them! Behold how much they cry out and weep!'
Jesus answered: 'I am not sent but unto the people of Israel.' Then the woman, with her sons, went before Jesus, weeping and saying: 'O son of David, have mercy on me!' Jesus answered: 'It is not good to take the bread from the children's hands and give it to the dogs.' And this said Jesus by reason of their uncleanness, because they were of the un- circumcised people.
The woman answered: 'O Lord, the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then was Jesus seized with admiration at the words of the woman, and said: 'O woman, great is thy faith.' And having raised his hands to heaven he prayed to God, and then he said: 'O woman, thy daughter is freed, go thy way in peace.' The woman departed, and returning to her home found her daughter, who was blessing God.' Wherefore the woman said: 'Verily there is none other God than the God of Israel.' Whereupon all her kinsfolk joined themselves unto the law of [God], according to the law written in the book of Moses.

Walk into a McDonalds, and whenever you find someone eating a hamburger, snatch it off  his mouth and deal him a dirty blow  Nonsense! Keep yourselves perpetually in bondage till Al'-ilah destroys and leads you to your compulsory hell !

@4Him


Which verses/passage are you referring for is a forgery made by Barnabas? And why they called him a Saint if he is a fraudulent fellow.





And why do think we need evidence to show up? Do you mean we Mus’lim should follow the principle of Barnabas? This topic is an information for everybody either you take it or leave it that all !


I use my brain in a nice way to think correctly if I made a mistake that means I’m a human being not perfected by God Almighty.
What about you? Do you think your brain is a numbskull?


I ask you when was the name Jews came from 4000yrs ago? Do you mean the Jews at the time of those years they recognized themselves call them a Jews citizens.? And what is the relationship between Ishmael and Isaac at the time of 4000 years decadence? I need a valid proof if there is, if not them the relationship between the two fellow are unknown if so them.


And why is it that the Jews disregard Jesus as prophet and son of god?

While  the Qur’an came out to tell the truth to believe in One God as preached by previous prophet. Not like your Bible preached a three godheads and came out to be Jesus that never in his entire life mention/said worship me I’m you god. While he crucified he call his truly God. Can a god call another god if he is a god? Need go reasoning lol on this one?




Is there a Ban reading and knowing the disciples of the jewish people? Of course not.
When was that they implement a restriction order that do not allowed to get some information regarding the disciples of the jewish? While surfing the net all the stuff you can find out?



 Can a nomadic call himself a prophet after Ishmael without knowing god guidance before the advent of Prophet Moh’ammad.? Of course not. And do you think each tribe of the Arab people at the time before Moh’ammad came to existence just proclaimed a messenger of god, is that what you like to point out.
Can an uneducated fellow write a family biography to record the previous event and chronological history of his tribe? How can you write if you no education background and university degree to trace back you lineage 4000years back even the smartest scientist find it’s very difficult to come out to a real conclusion.



What is that suppose to be you want as to accept and turn to be a Jews people? Be real lol this topic is just an example that Barnabas preached coincide with the mus’lim belief of Jesus nothing at all can you change the advent of the musl’I'm world.