I am not looking for either. But I am looking for that greater work that the later generations of mankind who called themselves "Christians," did, whereas Jesus did not do. Please tell me couples of them. If you can, considering the miracles that God performed through Jesus, then it is either that somebody has embellished as to the phrase "Greater work shall he do." Please name the greater works that they have done.
Peter healed the sick. If you're looking for modern times, I present myself to you, and how praying and laying of hnads have saved me through Christ Jesus. I can even testify of how my life and that of my family's have been saved through our belief in Christ and how pleading in his name the devil bowed to my family and left. But I wouldn't want to put my business out there, so I'll tell you the story later.
Whats a church then? But when you go to church, say Sundays, you don't enter a Building? And Christianity was preJesus, you are saying?
A church is a people. The place where we worship is a sanctuary, there were sanctuaries before christ. When Christ said "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church" he was speaking to a person and he did not mean that he will literally lay bricks and cement upon the man and that would be his church. So the church are the people who serve God in the sanctuary.
Again, you claim that he is god. But the God Who creates never is subject to death. Only that is enough to dispute your statement. How can a God be praying to himself, stating the will of that prayed to God will be done rather than the will of the god that is praying? It is clear that the one praying is not the One he is praying to!
According to a human logic or God's divine wisdom? You told me that God can do anything, so why is it impossible for you to see that he can subject himself to suffer to save his people, that is what we call divine love. Because God is ever merciful, and he knows his people so well, that he literally came upon this earth and showed his people how to do things right. Basically spoon feed us because we were still thinking as humans. He came born without sin, by the spirit, of a virgin, and died and rose again. He
defeated
death. He did what no man who ever walked on this earth can claim. He was born without the sperm of a man, he died, and rose again. He didn't stay in the earth as any man. So in essence he is not dead. He is very much alive.
You can't understand because it defies human logic. That's the whole point. What part of the Son of God don't you get? You say that in the Bible he never called himself the Son of God, I show you then you run to another point, there are places where he was called God and he didn't refute it. But ofcourse the Bible is corrupt, right?
As I admire your level headedness, I take the position that Jesus prayer at the Garden of geshemane was not accepte by God. This is according to the Bible. Therefore the One Jesus petitioned is greater than Jesus. So in reality Jesus has a God who is his Lord. And that Lord God is different from him. That Lord God is greater than him. That lord God is the true Lord God.
So if Jesus can never force God to accept his prayer, as the example indicated, then no one among the Christian can force God to accept any prayer.
Your point here, contradicts you own point above.
Above you siad that he prayed that the Father's will be done, well then why are you saying that his prayers wasn't answered. He asked for God's will to be done and it was done.
He and the Father and the Spirit are one. You were trying to explain to me the other day that if Christ died then that means that God died. Well yes, I am telling you yes. In order for that to happen, he had to be in human form because a spirit cannot die. But his flesh can.
But you also mentioned water and ice as an example. That if the ice is stained wouldn't that mean that the water is too. Well yes this is true.
So now I want to see the chemical properties of water. In science it is called H
2O. Well when that water becomes solid does it's chmical property change? Isn't it the same H
2O. And when it becomes gas does it change absolutely not. It is still the same H
2O.
Liquid (God the Father) Solid(God the Son) Vapour (God the Holy Spirit). Hope that answers your question. It is still the same God but in different forms. It is still the same water, but in different forms.
No one said that Christians force God to answer prayers. You don't know Christians do you?
Just because these Prophets/messengers were Jewish by blood has nothing to do with their religiousity and piety to God
Why was the covenant made with the Arabs but the Arabic prophets are Jewish? So the Jewish Prophets abandoned their people to go and become Prophets to the Arabs because the covenant was with the Arabs.
Explain.
However not all of their laws are carried forward into I/sl/am. We don't pray like the Jews for example.
Why not?
And who should I present except God and His messenger about the authenticity of Qu/r'an and Mu/hammad? Should i present Jesus, Moses , Ibrahim, Noah, Adam, Angel Gabreil? Tell me and I will be honest with you, if i can do it or not.
It doesn't have to be a who? I want proof. I can't take your word or the word of the Qu'ran because your word comes from the Qu'ran and you're trying to prove the Qu'ran to me so that strikes out anything in the Qu'ran, now you can start somewhere from history.
same applied to Mu/ha/mmad. Afterall, Jesus displayed some good quality and character that set him apart, even as a youth. So did Mu/hammad. You need to read the life history of this noble soul. You and me will not be having this conversation in an adversarial way.
Tell me about his life.
According to God, when He said that they claimed that Jesus son of Mary is One of three. Just this alone is enough. Anyone who disagrees with God is dishonest.
How do you know it is God. Because Muhaamad said so?
Good assignment, but they did not have any Mu/s/lim opinion in there. And there was no Jewish opinion either. I just do not see how that convinces anyone
They had the opinion of people who did not believe in anything. Neutrality was there. The people were atheists and now they believe.