Black Jews Vs White Jews

I have my reservations concerning the entire people in the land of Israel today. I am still studying the identity of the true physical Israel that we have in the bible. I have reasons to believe that the people they refer to as "Jews" in the Israel of today may not be the ones being referred to in the bible. One day when i come to a full knowledge, i will make known my findings and share them with people on this forum.

In as much as the Israel of today claims it is still waiting for the Messiah (thereby denying that Jesus Christ who came is not the Messiah) and yet, the covenants curses of the bible book of Deuteronomy Chapter 28 are not materializing in their midst, gives me a red alert that they may not be the true Israelites (Jews) much talked about. Imagine for instance, what you have said concerning the discrimination between the dark and the light Jews. Can these people (probably erroneously called Jews today) be the true Israelites God was talking about?

They discriminate because Jews as a whole are racists. Though some Mus'lims are too, no sentiments.

What is more shocking to me is your perpetuation of a LIE as truth. Go visit Israel yourself rather than parroting the same arab propaganda that is being recycled by those who are more vicious racists.


Can you people ever be counted upon to be honest and non-partisan FOR ONCE?
White Germans, Russians, Americans . . . are racist. Even hispanics, asians are racist . . . what is strange that a white jew is racist to a black man?

Oh wait . . . are the arabs not the most racist group on earth? please find out why jews are forbidden to travel to Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia . . . find out why coptic Egyptians are being discriminated against by arab colonialists, please find out why Darfur is the cesspool it is today, please help us find out why black people are still slaves to arabs in Mauritius in 2008 . . .

Sometimes some posts make me seriously sick!

Leave Davidylan alone. He is Jew delusional. Delutional enough to tear himself away from reality. He knows no Jews, for such. Although he must have seen some before. But knowing any enough to form a friendship, no. He should come to Borough Park in Brooklyn, or Montsie, in Westchester. he will see the truth that his Bible fail to teach him.Or if there is inkling in the Bible, he refuses to see it. The craziness and delution may mask someone from facing reality.

oga what sense are you driving at here?

Is racism not a problem in the US? Why does racism in Israel bother you more than the KKK or skinheads in the US?

your REAL problem is that it is an eternal torment to ur souls that the Jews are the chosen people from the lineage of Abraham. It is a promise that has lasted 4000yrs, no one can change it no matter how loudly they complain.
It is this that is at the root of the Israel/Palestinian conflict and not the pretense of "land grabbing".

My God i know, the God of the jews i know . . . who is your god?


this is hypocrisy. Never have i seen you condemn the pervasive discrimination in mus'lim nations BUT you are very loud in denouncing alleged racism in Israel.
Before you cry racism about the Israelis please explain to us how arabs are in the knesset and jews are forbidden from travelling to Iran, Syria, Malaysia . . .


your confusion is amazing.

I think you should know the "differences" between avoiding corruption in the holy lands (Saudi Arabia) and skin color- racism. The reason why Jews may not be allowed in these places is that these places are meant to be kept holy. The Jews according to Great Religious tradition are known for corruption and rebellion. They are also known to be aggressors. If you are a Saudi Arabian Jew by birth (if there is any) you must pay a tax obliged by the Shariah to live there.

The Jews who hate The Great Religion, and Mus'lims don't like people who have the blood-shed of fellow Mus'lim brothers on their hands. So David, we know that there is racism everywhere,even among the blacks (though hardly noticeable) but the reasons behind their not travelling there is not color but belief.

A good White Mus'lim for example has no reason to discrimate against his black brother because part of his Al-Qida tells him God hates racists. But has every right to make no friends with a white Jew who mocks the Ko'ran. I hope you understand.

A Mus'lim scholar said Satan is the master of all racists because he disobeyed God because Adam was made of clay, and said he was better because he was made of fire, and sent out of heaven.
So every racist be it Mus'lim or otherwise is a friend to Satan himself.
 

@ Davidylan Arabs you said; or are they not palestinians in palestine? Are these arabs in the knessets from saudi Arabia, or Iraq, or Syria, or Lebanon, Egypt or the Parsian country of Iran or Afghanistan? David, o so o too. O de yue ko so otoo. Man, speak the truth.

You are complaining about Syria, Iran and Malaysia, but you forgot Jews and gentile can travel to saudi Arabia. They are only restricted from entering Makka and Madina. Thats its because Makka's commondment is from Qu/r'an and Madina is made clear in the Sunnan!

But there are Jews in Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Syria, Iran (and i went to school with them in the days). Any restriction is based on the political value and yardmark. It is not based on religion, because if it were, the m/us/lims would have been one voive in everything. Mauritania, morocco, etc would never have had or still have any jew remaining on their soil. You need a good dose of ancient, and present history of the Arabs, Muslims and Jews. and middle east as a whole.

And your trying to claim relationship with God for a certain group and thinking that you exclude others, is simply a sham. Your speech and it is not that of the almighty creator. He knows everything. The reality of things is His alone. I am not concerned and have nothing against the jews personally, in any way. And my statement is not a political correctness, either.

But i have them as personal friend. I am sure to receive a phone call from a Jew, sometimes this week. So you see there is no envy here. I don't want to be a jew. There in nothing that he has that attracts me. What he may have better than you, I already have, in truth. And my bond is stronger than his to it. Well am circumcised and i observe what ibrahim observed. I am in the religion of Ibrahim. What else should a man ask for? I observe thesunnah of marriage that Ibrahim observed. lo.  End of story. No interest here.

Olabowale

If you want to prove the authenticity of The Great Religion, you have to prove the authenticity of the Qu'ran.
You have to prove that for centuries the Jews have been lying and so the Christians too.

Trust me you won't be able to prove the authenticity of the Qu'ran. I challenged it and then the moderator deleted my post.

Care to join me in a thread if I start one about the authenticity of the Qu'ran?

There are three community histories that you have to disprove, the Jews, the Christians, and ofcourse the Romans. Actually there are more but these ones would do the trick.

So do you care to join me?

spare me your ignorant drivel please.
Arabs did not start calling themselves "palestinians" until 1964.
Go and read old British mandate documents . . . they SPECIFICALLY refer to palestinians as JEWS!

The Jerusalem post used to be known as the palestinian post up until 1948 . . . i'm sure its not an arab publication.

Isl'am is such a religion of deciet.

Lady, i havent been checking consistently so i've only seen 1 post of urs above.

Can the moderators please leave these posts be please?

Don't compare my posts to yours. I have respect for people and their belief and I refuse to play God by condemning people. My posts were answers about Christianity using Christianity examples. It wasn't a bashing or against of anyone.

This isn't the first time my post was deleted, it's been done before and I too coughed and received a message from administrator.

I don't mind you insulting the Catholics as much. I just have pity for the poor soul who follows and believes what you say. Besides you are the one heaping wrath on your head.


I wonder if you even know the definition of hypocrite, cause it's clearly used out of place here. You call everyone a hypocrite meanwhile you don't even examine yourself.

Unbelievers is better suited. Man go get learned.



Well I think they deleted mine because it was in response to his, and his got deleted because he did say many a things that are insultive to Christianity.
Life goes on.

@Davidylan: I hope that every one will notice the inconsistencies of David here. On one hand, he said that up to 1964, some 44 years ago, the Arab palestinians were not known as Palestinians. But in the past he had posted a piece about the arabs in palestine meeting with the nazis in Europe against the possible future interest of the Jews and Zionists. Well, I guess David will want us to believe that they were fighting for the cause of the greater "Arabs!" That will include Moroccans, ho still have a good number of Jews as citizens. Or the Egyptians, or the greater transjordan, pre 1948.

David you forgot the power of God when you are writing the line above, because below, you will see that you contradict your exact statement, with the fact that you alluded to about Palestinian post! You stated it is until 1948; it means before and up to 1948. You must see your confusion by now. Heya. lol. Don't mind me, everyone. David and I are friends, so i can talk turkey with him.





A word of advice: Never call any ethnic arabs or none Jews, ethnically or by religion a Jew. That wil be insulting that person. No one can call me Ashante and find we laugh with him, none! Then it is worse for anyone to call Palestinian Arabs Jews. Simple. They are not jews. I remember when I called Taha Salman, jew in some many decades back, because he had offended me, I remembered how angry he was. So go back and read your British mandate papers again, about Palestine. The Arabs were never called Jews. And if they were calledJews, they did not accept it.


As much as I like Egba people, or igbo people or Benin people, no one can call me a person from them, and expect me not to correct him. Am from ijebu Ode and the best you could call me is omo obanta. Yet Ijebu ode people are not enemies of any of the people i listed. Just imagine if they were. You and your British mandate are orishi rishi, if I may borrow from MrPataki.




Need I say more? Above it was never called palestinian before 1964. But below the word palestinian was known prior to 1948! Which way is up, for you, if i may borrow from Rose Royce musical group of "Car wash" song fame?





Who is really on a rocky road of deceit here, David? You flipflop more that the most flipflopping rubber shoe flipfloppers. Lol.

Olabowale, you're being DELIBERATELY decietful and misleading.


you're ignorantly conflating 2 things here. Palestine, as a name, has existed for close to 1000 years . . . the fact is that arabs did not pick up the tag "palestinians" until 1964 when it was convenient for them to use it in their propaganda war against the jews . . . the jews up until 1948 were the ONLY PEOPLE refered to as palestinians.


Here is a quote to put you straight: March 31, 1977, Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.


there is no confusion there but your own. Jerusalem post was referred to as the palestinian post until Israel became a nation in 1948.


you seem not to know what u're arguing about. what a pity.

typical of the average nigerian. The minute their shallow intellect is exposed they resort to adhominems.

For someone who cries so loudly about others having a below par mental acumen, its sad that all you could offer on this thread was unsubstantiated "facts" that you merely heard from a third party. No attempt to even use wikipedia to confirm ur theory first before ejaculating.
What a shame.

@Davidylan: You tend to be tunnel visionedin support of Israel against the truth and reality that exist. Let me help you out, prior to 1966 or 7 of Nigeria, the word Biafra never was heard by nonIgbo people. I know because I was alive, and you weren't. But just because it was not heard by everyone, it did not mean that the word never existed and used by some people to identify themselves. This is your problem. And it is based on the belief that you have a god from the Jews. Thats only a myth and there is no reality to it.

How could the jews be referred to as "palestinians," in preference against the more popular names they could be called, Jews or Israelites and even the political hardline name Zionists? You better not continue with this huge ignorance. Ask a jew about these things, because you have demostrated that you know nothing about their identity. For me I do, simple because I have to deal with them. And I will definitely talk to one or two before the end of the week.






A casual search on google, using a simple entry as 'arab palestinian beginning,' will produce a cache of information. All point to the fact that your 1964 suggestion is very inaccurate. President said that no two historians say exactly the same thing on history of a people, except both of them believe that they are each 100% correct. History and truth about it is very subjective. And below is what wikipedia said about the usage of palestinian as a word about the arab in palestine.

                                                                 (Palestinian people)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For the term "Palestinian" as applied to Jews, see Palestinian Jew. For other uses, see Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian.
Palestinians
 
Palestinian "Ayoub" family of Ghassanid ancestry from Ramallah ca 1905
Total population
10,574,521 (estimated)
 
Regions with significant populations
 Palestinian territories: 3,760,000[1]
 Jordan 2,700,000[2] 
 Israel 1,318,000 
 Syria 434,896 
 Lebanon 405,425 
 Chile 300,000 
 USA 200,000 
 Egypt 70,245 
 Kuwait 50,000 
 Australia 15,000 
 
Language(s)
Arabic
Religion(s)
Sunni Islam, Christianity, others
Related ethnic groups
Other Arabs; Bedouins, and other Semitic peoples
 
Palestine frontier 1922Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني‎, ash-sha`b al-filasTīni), Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون‎, al-filasTīnīyyūn), or Palestinian Arabs (Arabic: العرب الفلسطينيون‎, al-`arab al-filasTīnīyyūn) are terms used to refer to an Arabic-speaking people with family origins in Palestine.

The total Palestinian population worldwide is estimated to be between 10 and 11 million people, over half of whom are stateless, lacking citizenship in any country.[3] Palestinians are predominantly Sunni Muslims, though there is a significant Christian minority as well as smaller religious communities.

The first widespread use of "Palestinian" as an endonym to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine began prior to the outbreak of World War I,[4] and the first demand for national independence was issued by the Syrian-Palestinian Congress on 21 September 1921.[5] After the exodus of 1948, and even more so after the exodus of 1967, the term came to signify not only a place of origin, but the sense of a shared past and future in the form of a Palestinian nation-state.[4]

Roughly half of all Palestinians continue to live in parts of the former British Mandate—an area today known as Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.[i] The other half, many of whom are refugees, live elsewhere in different places throughout the world. (See Palestinian diaspora)

The Palestinian people as a whole are represented before the international community by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).[6] The Palestinian National Authority, created as a result of the Oslo Accords, is an interim administrative body nominally responsible for governance in Palestinian population centers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

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Yes am very confused indeed. The same confusion that points out Arabs inhabitants in palestine were known as al arab filistiyu among the larger arabs, prior to your 1964 date. I wonder if the Yorubas ceased to known as Omo oduduwa even as most people continue to call them Yoruba as an ethnic people or Nigerians as part of a tribe among others which make up the country Nigeria? I wonder if the group called Oduua is the first to popularize the name among the Yorubas? The whole of indegenous Yorubas know better. Just like the Palestinian arabs know that they are called palestinians among the arabs by the arabs , others and even themselves, for generations, prior to 1946. What I have done is to to change your 1964 to 46, simply switching the 4 for 6 and vice versa. I want to make it easy for you to escape the 64 timelime mistake.