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4 Him (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #32 on: May 06, 2008, 01:23 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on May 06, 2008, 01:04 PM
How could the jews be referred to as "palestinians," in preference against the more popular names they could be called, Jews or Israelites and even the political hardline name Zionists?

Get used to it. read old british mandate documents.
 
Quote from: Cayon on May 06, 2008, 11:28 AM
I'd prefer to hear it from the "horses mouth"(the black man and his wife) than getting it from Wikipedia. Yes, wikipedia is good but remember anyone can edit the info and write their own "crap".   You are not reading with understanding.  I told you that I spoke to a black man (american) and his wife who is a Jew, she was born and bred in Isreal. You said she is american.  I have no problem with your opinions but why not respect others opinion rather than throwing off your tantrums

No love lost.  Enjoy your rest of your day Wink

So if a hausa man told me yorubas were dirty people based on his limited experience, would that be "hearing it from the horses mouth"?

I have no problems with respecting opinions, they just have to be intellectually sound.
You're simply suffering from "i posted the thread so i must be right" syndrome. Jewish "racism" is NO different from the racism you see everyday in America or Mexico or Spain were blacks are still referred to as monkeys till today. Racism is a universal problem that will not go away as long as skin color disparity exists . . . to somehow expect the white jews to be immune from this simply because "they are the chosen ones" is mere wishful thinking.

It is funny that a nation that is very often chastised for being racist has a large arab population with full rights and a growing black community.
It smacks of double standard when you open threads about Israeli racism when YOU didnt even have the rights to vote until less than 50 years ago here in the USA.
It is one thing to "hear from the horses mouth", it is another to be able to process that information in context.
olabowale (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #33 on: May 06, 2008, 01:45 PM »

David, you need to snap out of your deeeeep sleep. Your conscience is very much in a coma.
4 Him (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #34 on: May 06, 2008, 02:03 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on May 06, 2008, 01:45 PM
David, you need to snap out of your deeeeep sleep. Your conscience is very much in a coma.

what you need is a large dose of honesty.
cgift (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #35 on: May 07, 2008, 09:17 AM »

Quote from: ~Lady~ on May 05, 2008, 08:40 PM

I wonder if you even know the definition of hypocrite, cause it's clearly used out of place here. You call everyone a hypocrite meanwhile you don't even examine yourself.

Unbelievers is better suited. Man go get learned.


You just like taking things out of context. I hope you will not transfer this aggression to real life. Let your words be subtle. I will not insult you for anything because we may meet tomorrow; the world is some small place dearie.

Olabowale,

But why do you hate the work of God's hands, the Jews? Why hate? Why call them pigs? Why would your prophet on his dying bed curse the Jews? Lets just, for hypothetical purposes assume that the Jews in Israel today and the real Jews, can you see that the wish of your prophet is not materializing at all that Jews be exterminated? Those guys are rather waxing from strength to strength despite this lucid and passionate hatred  for them by mooslim states?
Cayon (f)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #36 on: May 07, 2008, 10:27 AM »

I don't see why some of you getting all "worked- up" about the White jews "hating" on the Black Jews.  Israel may be the holy land but its the minds of the people.  The black Jews are referred to as wannabe Jews or FALASHAS(Ethiopian decendants)  I think one reason why the white jews don"t respect the black jews is becasue the black jews are followers of the old testament and they don't use the Hebrew Torah and hebrew prayer books like the white Jews.  The Blacks use the same old testament taken from the Christian church.

I was told in order for black jews to be respected, they have to go through symbolic conversion to Judaism and be taught the Jewish halakha

Peace

cgift (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #37 on: May 07, 2008, 11:31 AM »

Quote from: Cayon on May 07, 2008, 10:27 AM
I don't see why some of you getting all "worked- up" about the White jews "hating" on the Black Jews.  Israel may be the holy land but its the minds of the people.  The black Jews are referred to as wannabe Jews or FALASHAS(Ethiopian decendants)  I think one reason why the white jews don"t respect the black jews is becasue the black jews are followers of the old testament and they don't use the Hebrew Torah and hebrew prayer books like the white Jews.  The Blacks use the same old testament taken from the Christian church.

I was told in order for black jews to be respected, they have to go through symbolic conversion to Judaism and be taught the Jewish halakha

Peace



Yet, God has a special place for them in His heart according to the covenant he made with Abraham that He has sworn never to defy! I guess the problem Olabowale and his brothers have with them Jews is that the Covenant that God made with the Jews via Abraham is not recorded in the Qurihan unlike the Bible! Because if it were, i don't think any man would have the balls to hate another with such enthusiasm.

Meanwhile, I am still researching o. I am beginning to think that the real Isrealites might be of Africa infact in places like Nigeria, Ghana, and co,  (Hope i'm still sane?)  Grin  Grin  Grin

Guys keep on with the discussion but reduce your vitrols  Grin Its getting too hot in here  Grin.
Cayon (f)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #38 on: May 08, 2008, 02:20 AM »

Quote from: cgift on May 07, 2008, 11:31 AM
Meanwhile, I am still researching o. I am beginning to think that the real Isrealites might be of Africa infact in places like Nigeria, Ghana, and co, (Hope i'm still sane?) Grin Grin Grin
I stand to be corrected but the original black Jews are decendants of Queen Sheba
cgift (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #39 on: May 08, 2008, 10:58 AM »

Quote from: Cayon on May 08, 2008, 02:20 AM
I stand to be corrected but the original black Jews are decendants of Queen Sheba

, if onlyyou ncan avail us some of your sources.!
olabowale (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #40 on: May 08, 2008, 03:19 PM »

@Cgift:
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Olabowale,

But why do you hate the work of God's hands, the Jews? Why hate? Why call them pigs? Why would your prophet on his dying bed curse the Jews? Lets just, for hypothetical purposes assume that the Jews in Israel today and the real Jews, can you see that the wish of your prophet is not materializing at all that Jews be exterminated? Those guys are rather waxing from strength to strength despite this lucid and passionate hatred  for them by mooslim states?
Work of God's hands, the jews, over who, the africans? I do not call Jews Pigs. You have not be close with Jews in your entire life. I have many of them as bossom buddy. I lived with them. My lawyers and corporate officers, many of them are Jews. Just becausesome of them were turned to Pigs is not a reason that they should be known as pigs. Just in the same light that some of them "killed" your God is not to say that they are all killers. Afterall, you have some of them becomig Christians. We also have a lot of them becoming M.u.slims as well.


Your lie is shameful. I wonder in all my 50 something as a m.u.s.lim and in the last 10 that i have paid greater attention to it, I never have read where the prophet cursed the Jews as a whole, in his dying bed. For if he did, for sure none of them would have became a mus, li.m. Afterall, during his days alive, there were Jews among his followers, the Sahabahs. Your argument begs reasoning.
 
 
Cayon (f)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #41 on: May 09, 2008, 02:03 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on May 08, 2008, 03:19 PM
We also have a lot of them becoming M.u.slims as well.
The highlighted sentence above caught my eyes.  Interesting!!
And I agree we should not point our fingers at ALL jews as there are some good ones. Shocked Shocked
4 Him (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #42 on: May 09, 2008, 03:00 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on May 08, 2008, 03:19 PM
We also have a lot of them becoming M.u.slims as well.

that is false. It was the jewish rejection of mo'hammad that suddenly forced a'llah to change the direction of the qiblah from jerusalem to Mecca.
olabowale (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #43 on: May 09, 2008, 05:16 AM »

@4Him:
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that is false. It was the jewish rejection of mo'hammad that suddenly forced a'llah to change the direction of the qiblah from jerusalem to Mecca.
lol. My brother, you make me laugh. Just to amuse you if the jews have rejected Muhamma.d, is that a sure confirmation of any authority that they have to decide who is a prophet and messenger?

Did this same people rejected Jesus all through his ministry and accordin to your book killed him off, so that his soul could be accursed? Was Jesus not a prophrt/messenger according to the M.us.lims? You are terrible in argument. I can give you the truth about why the Qubla was change to Makka, but am tired and i need some sleep. Later on today, I will discuss it thoroughly with you.

Good night John boy.
cgift (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #44 on: May 10, 2008, 12:24 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on May 09, 2008, 05:16 AM
@4Him:  lol. My brother, you make me laugh. Just to amuse you if the jews have rejected Muhamma.d, is that a sure confirmation of any authority that they have to decide who is a prophet and messenger?

Did this same people rejected Jesus all through his ministry and accordin to your book killed him off, so that his soul could be accursed? Was Jesus not a prophrt/messenger according to the M.us.lims? You are terrible in argument. I can give you the truth about why the Qubla was change to Makka, but am tired and i need some sleep. Later on today, I will discuss it thoroughly with you.

Good night John boy.

Olabowale, you type so much but we get little subststance in it? Why has it been difficult to annihilate a people less than 5 million by Mooslim states surrounding numbering in hundreds of millions? Could it be that Al-ilah is impotent of  God's promises to them via Abraham cannot be faltered? What could be the problem? The more your brothers attempt to do an incursion, the more the nation of Israel expand and capture morte land? Is that not baffling to you?

I think it is high time you expunge the jew-hating portions of the qurihan and the hadiths and accept that your prophet wishes against the jews cannot materialise. I sense something, this hatred by your mooslim states for the nation of Israel might birth the next and final holocaust that will usher in the reign of Christ. Your brothers ranging from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi etc, are all breathing blasphemies against the God of the Jews? Care to read the destruction and their end being prophesied and narrated explicitly in the Bible Book of revelation?

olabowale (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #45 on: May 10, 2008, 06:59 PM »

@Cgift: Why was it difficult for africa to annihilate apartheid south africa, and it is a lonely Washington DC Transafrican humanitarian organization headed by Robinson from Chicago that killed it?

Aburo, think before you write. A.l.lah the Almighty is not ready for a person doing evil, otherwise that soul will be finished in an instant.

O shoson Satide. Lo se nkon to nse.
4 Him (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #46 on: May 10, 2008, 07:01 PM »

Quote from: cgift on May 10, 2008, 12:24 PM
Olabowale, you type so much but we get little subststance in it?

In one single sentence you described olabowale in a nutshell. Too many words very little sense.
olabowale (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #47 on: May 11, 2008, 05:27 PM »

@Cgift and 4Him: How is it possible that you find sense in what is sensible, if you are going about in the dark because of ducking the truth? Its not possible.

And Davi, just now on local CBS News' affiliates, they were running interviews on the 60 years Independence anniversary of the state of Israel. Maurice Debois, the moderator asked two old jewish men who were involved in the struggle, against theBritish government. They described how they undermine the British military. They spoke about sinking British miliatry ships.

The Briish Jew was Dr. Kaye and he carried the 12th passport issued by Israel. The American Jews was from Long Island, New York and his name was Saul or something like that. The point is that at the end of the end interview the New Yorker in his Long Island accent said that they effort of sabotage was a means to an end. How says that a Jew is not expessive?

Just imagine what the palestinians feel and are doing right now. I wonder if the Palestinians are replaced replaced by Nigerians, how would you feel? The truth shall set your soul free, if you accept it upon your recognition of it.
4 Him (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #48 on: May 11, 2008, 05:42 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on May 11, 2008, 05:27 PM
Just imagine what the palestinians feel and are doing right now. I wonder if the Palestinians are replaced replaced by Nigerians, how would you feel? The truth shall set your soul free, if you accept it upon your recognition of it.

1. There are no arab "palestinians", these arabs are simply tools in the hands of theocratic murderers in Is'lam to deligitimize the Jewish state they failed to defeat in 3 wars.
2. The jews didnt displace the arabs, rather the Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese . . . did by ordering them out so they could wreck massacre on the jews. They failed woefully and the rest is history. 20% of the Israeli state today is arab . . . they wont be there if the jews intended to replace arabs (who are not indigenous to that land by the way).
3. The truth is that for 19yrs when Judea/Samaria (the westbank) and Gaza were in arab hands, no one talked of giving the "palestinians" a state.
4. Prior to 1948, the term "palestinian" referred to a jew.
5. Judea/Samaria fell within Israeli boundaries until it was conquered by the Jordanians in 1948 war of independence.
6. Jordan is 75% of the former British mandate of Palestine . . . how is it that the "palestinian" arabs arent fighting to be a part of Jordan?
7. Until 1922, Jordan was simply a river in Palestine.
8. Jordan IS palestine.
9. The present rulers of Jordan are actually descendants of the Emir of Mecca which is nowhere near palestine.

The truth doesnt seem to be setting you free.
Backslider (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #49 on: May 12, 2008, 12:11 PM »

The Truth of the fact is that since the departure of Jesus you can not have a mosaic Jew because missing is judaic and Levitical office.

We have now Jesus our levitical and judaic Leader God and saviour.
olabowale (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #50 on: May 12, 2008, 02:05 PM »

@4Him: Wrong sets of answers. But am sure it serves the Biblical purposes to lie. I guess we will find that quality and gimmick of bending realities to fit new "truth, an agenda of deceit" in where we should find them. I don't want to begin by naming names now. It is pretty obvious where I can go with this and whose names.

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1. There are no arab "palestinians", these arabs are simply tools in the hands of theocratic murderers in Is'lam to deligitimize the Jewish state they failed to defeat in 3 wars.
Am sure there no African Yorubas as well. I am not sure that you know the difference between ethnic groupings. There are major groups and minor group and even sub groups under the minor groups. Let me show you something: Take the case of the Yorubas. From it in Nigeria, you have groups like the Ijebus or the Egbas. Eunder the Ijebus you have the Remos and others, like the (Omo Alagemo Merindiloguns, where you find the Ijebu Ode people and others) From this Alagemo Merindilogun people you have the Omo Obantas, the Ijebu Ode people. If you have these in Yoruba major group of Africa alone, how then do you deceitful think you can obliterate the Palestinian Arabs from Palestine? Again maybe you should try to put Yoruba people in the place of Palestinians. Am sure  the equation will change dramatically. Or replace them with the Igbos. Am sure you must have known what is called Biafra.

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2. The jews didnt displace the arabs, rather the Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese . . . did by ordering them out so they could wreck massacre on the jews. They failed woefully and the rest is history. 20% of the Israeli state today is arab . . . they wont be there if the jews intended to replace arabs (who are not indigenous to that land by the way).
We are talking about the Palestianians here. That is completely different from "arabs" which you continue to use as your escape route. You can see your deceit here.You will say arabs in one place and turn to Syrian, Lebanese, etc in the other. But in either places you have failed to say Palestnian Arabs. There is something called that you know. Your "new History" is in front of the Nairalanders to see. Its amazing how you could present an argument that may show to biased mind like yourself that Palestine was without Arabs and or Muslims before any of the major migrations of the European jews to Palestine. Well, how long has  Masjid Aqsa been standing in Jerusalem (Al Quds) now? Did you forget about the crusade here, because it is convenient for you to purposely forget this major christian adventure, just because you want to cajole us?

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3. The truth is that for 19yrs when Judea/Samaria (the westbank) and Gaza were in arab hands, no one talked of giving the "palestinians" a state.
You present an argument as if the future is in your hand. Or has it been revealed to you, Sir David? And God willing, while you are still alive, you will see a statehood of Palestine. For me I think that the Palestinians, both Muslims and Christians and others among them need to supplicate to God for His aid against their oppressors.

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4. Prior to 1948, the term "palestinian" referred to a jew.
Yes, a Jew in the Ghetto of Europe, etc. You know little about history. And what was the population of "Jews", oh no, sorr David, "palestian" do we have in "Palestine" in 1700 and prior to 1850? I wonder why they had their Zionist world congress meetings in Europe especially since they were the ones who populated "palestine" prior to the 2 world wars, according to you?

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5. Judea/Samaria fell within Israeli boundaries until it was conquered by the Jordanians in 1948 war of independence.
Theories and poor evidence that can not justify the theory. I do hope that you remember saying that even with 3 wars the Arabs as a whole failed to conquer?

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6. Jordan is 75% of the former British mandate of Palestine . . . how is it that the "palestinian" arabs arent fighting to be a part of Jordan?
I wonder why Jews have not returned to the towns and cities that they occupied for so many centuries in Europe to fight for them? I wonder why they did not fight for the "ghettos' of Europe where they were called Juderen? I wonder why Rothchilds families are still in Europe and so many Jews in America are anot in "Israel?" Or is Europe and or America part(s) of the state of Israel?


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7. Until 1922, Jordan was simply a river in Palestine.
You lack the foundation of history of the Jews and their rvals as you put it, the Arabs in general and the Palestian arabs in particular. Jordan River is still in existence. I don't think that you know anythig about transjordan, a name the British gave to the larger arab land which included Jordan and others. And by the way who should know his own identity better, The Jordanian Arabs, The Palestinian Arabs or the colonizing power of England, about Palestine and Jordan?

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8. Jordan IS palestine.
It makes sense as much as Niger Republic is Nigeria, or Dahomey is Nigeria or Cameroun is Nigeria.

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9. The present rulers of Jordan are actually descendants of the Emir of Mecca which is nowhere near palestine.
Which Emir is that, David? I want you to name names, here? You are a riot with your huge lies.


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The truth doesnt seem to be setting you free. 
 
The proverbial pot calling Kettle "black," applies here.


@ Backslider:
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The Truth of the fact is that since the departure of Jesus you can not have a mosaic Jew because missing is judaic and Levitical office.
Is this not we have been saying to you and you keep denying it, until now? That you have replaced that old testament, "Mosaic Jew's judaic and levitical office" laws and commandment with your New Testament. It is very strange, however, that Jesus himself said that he came to fulfil the OT rules and laws. And that no part of it should be left unfulfilled, even a jot. And further he spoke about anyone who does away with this OT laws and commandments and or encouraged other(s) to not fulfil it, will be low in the kingdom of heaven.

To be low in the kingdom of heaven should not be other than condemned to hell. But of course you don't believe that, nor do you believe there is hell anyway. But tell me this if Jesus replaced this laws and commandments and by his presence rendered useless and should amount to nothing but just to occupy Biblical pages, how then do yo explain the injuction of jesus to the future people about not dong away with the laws and commandments which he himself fulfilled (kept and observed as example to show how impotant they are)? You will have to agree that somebody is a liar her: Jesus statement is different from what the Christians are saying and doing. We know it was Jesus that was lying here.


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We have now Jesus our levitical and judaic Leader God and saviour.

You embellish to much. But please answer my question about about the law that Jesus kept and warn against not keeping it by the future generations. And it is these laws and commandments of Moses that you abandoned. I ask you are you now not wrong considering the prophetic saying of Jesus, wherein he warned against doing exactly what you christians are doing today? Disregarding the laws of Moses? And the consequence of this action, you should remember is being called least in the Kingdom of God, that is being thrown into the fire of hell. And would you not suppose the people in this group will not be received welcomely by Jesus, who will say to them to get away from him and he does not know them.

Come to think of it he does not know you, not by religion (he did not start nor command a different religion apart from what the prophets used to practice and preached), not by your deeds (your abandoning his commandment as it concerns Mosaic laws and commandments, which he himself observed and warned aganst the least abandonement there of) and definitely not by your face/physicality.
4 Him (m)
Re: Black Jews Vs White Jews
« #51 on: May 12, 2008, 04:42 PM »

Olabowale, there is no point correcting you many thrumped up falsehoods but there is one that stands out as bewildering.

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9. The present rulers of Jordan are actually descendants of the Emir of Mecca which is nowhere near palestine.

Which Emir is that, David? I want you to name names, here? You are a riot with your huge lies.

I am more convinced that you really don't know what you're arguing about. Maybe i need to help you with the history of the kings of Jordan

 - Abdullah I of Jordan
Abdullah bin Hussein
King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
 
Abdullah I bin al-Hussein, King of Jordan born in Mecca, Saudi Arabia in (1882 - July 20, 1951) (Arabic: عبد الله الأول), to Sherif Hussein bin Ali, Sharif and Emir of Mecca then King of Hejaz and his first wife Abdiya bint Abdullah. He was Emir of Transjordan (1921-1946) under a British Mandate, then King of Transjordan (May 25, 1946- 1949), and King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (1949 - 1951). He is also frequently called King Abdullah the Founder since he was the founder of Jordan.


Does anyone else need proof that these mus'lims are nothing but lying scumbags?


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